I see your point about not buying, but I'm not going to the trouble of buying and returning, and I simply cannot endorse the scheme by buying—personally.

It's funny, nothing about the game itself interests me right now except that the modder in me wants to have it just so I can fix it, lol. If the DRM went away, I'd buy it, and not even play, I'd just work on fixing stuff. My "game" would be taking it apart, lol (that or a fleet boat total conversion so I could actually play ;) ).

its also giving them "sales and revenue projections" based off of those sales that ARE recorded while they dont "have to" advertise or even track or mention returns.

stuff like that is always hidden and lied about to protect peoples jobs from being lost and you cant even begin to assume those who would react to such data in a favorable way to customers would not be kept in the dark about it.

That cannot be possible. Ubi says they know that pirates cost them sales and can even whip up some lost dollar statistics for you. They also can tell you how much money they "lose" through used game resale. However, we all know that statistics are capable manipulation in support of whatever argument you're trying to make.

Businesses run on the "bottom line" and the bottom line for UBI is whether the amount of game sales versus costs equals profit. Buy it and you reinforce whatever business model they are pushing. If enough people don't buy it, sales figures suffer and will show the need to make changes. Your lack of purchase does count.

Never anticipated the feelings were so strong, or those not buying it would hangout here after all that's been said and done.
Alas I'm out, lost the contest like Kramer, lost the $50.00. So now I'm on the other side (dark it is), but from what I read in the manual it isn't all that broke.

But I won't be playing it anyway for sometime since the sim's technology has outpaced my PC. Maybe it would be good for Ubi to drop it if in doing so they give us one more patch removing DRM and the keys to the rest of the city so it can be fixed by those who know how to write a sim.
As for me, $50.00 use to be my warm up to a night of drinking, so I've wasted far more on far less.

I think you're overestimating just how widespread the appeal of the subsim genre is.

And that's the problem with getting anything "done" via SH5. If sales don't meet or even come close to projections, then whatever executive that was in charge of the anti-consumer DRM can simply paint it as the death of interest in the subsim genre amongst consumers. They can spin low SH5 sales however they want.

I do believe SH5 sales are pretty bad. As I mentioned in another thread, it hasn't held on to a top 10 spot on either Direct2Drive or Steam beyond its second week out of the gate - and Counter-Strike: Source actually beat it during that second week, which is kind of sad. The reviews are abysmal as well.


AC2's another matter entirely, and that's the one I'm watching. Great reviews, widely popular...if the PC sales go south, that might be something.

Question arises, if they wanted to kill the subsim genre why not just stop at SH4. Nobody was twisting their arm to make another. Couldn't twist their arm to drop DRM, don't think they cared if there was a SH5 or not. So they only endangered thier reputation by putting out a piece of crap just to kill off the genre. It could have been ended at SH4 and nobody would have noticed. What doesn't exist can't be ridiculed.

Who said they wanted to kill the genre?

Stop the bull**** here. Right now.

If I buy a game, I buy a licence and download a game or get a physical copy of the game. When I buy the game, Ubisoft is PAID for it.

When I sell my game, I do not keep it. I give the game and the license to someone else. Ubisoft has been PAID for this very license and game.

Thus :

1. There is no loss for them. They have been paid
2. Only one copy of that license is used, and paid for

I will not stand this bull**** loss thru resale.

If Ubisoft is not happy, they can move to Corea, China or the closest fascist country of their choosin where they will be able to put a bullet in the head or send people that copy their games to prisonner camps to get tortured.

No company will prevent me from selling a license I bought.

Over. My. Dead. Body.

I purchased the game but have not installed it yet.

I'm still holding out, and I'm holding up just fine thank you :03:. I really want to see a price drop or some answer to as UBI plans of finishing the game (or not). I would also like to see a change with the DRM requirements but I seriously doubt that will happen.

What he wrote.

If they patch it again and change the DRM, then I may think about getting it. I'm happy enough with SH 4 + mods. I do have SHIII, but it regrettably won't be re-installed as it's an original edition w/Starforce. I'm not taking a chance with my DVDrom again.

Mike.

"And that's the problem with getting anything "done" via SH5. If sales don't meet or even come close to projections, then whatever executive that was in charge of the anti-consumer DRM can simply paint it as the death of interest in the subsim genre amongst consumers. They can spin low SH5 sales however they want."

I may have misunderstood this statement but I've heard others say that they're trying to kill the genre. I just took your words as saying the same in another way. You made it sound like the anti-consumer execs are willing to quickly drop the genre for any excuse. Without trying to ressusitate it, even by unextraordinary means. A word from Ubi would be a basic start. And their silence lends credence to those who say they want to kill off Ubi subsims. Me, I don't know. Maybe they do want it dead. Or maybe they're working hard to fix the mess and don't have time to issue a statement.
That's how I read it anyway, but that's the nature of the written word sometimes.

The devs read SS and other boards. They know how many feel about the DRM.

What I meant by that was simply that, if SH5 ends up underperforming as badly as it appears to be at present, there's no guarantee - or, really, even a reason - for Ubisoft to acknowledge that it's due to anti-consumer DRM. They could simply spin it as declining interest in the subsim genre. And I think they would.

I don't think the execs who made the call on the DRM would drop the SH series at any excuse, but I do firmly believe they would drop it long before they dropped the DRM itself.

Of course they do. Which is why I'm sure they'd drop the SH series before they dropped the DRM. They know it's almost universally hated, and those that don't hate it aren't exactly for it. They're getting hammered for it all over the place. Any site that allows user reviews/comments has had its SH5 rating dragged into the toilet over DRM. If they were going to back down, they would have.