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darius359au 04-13-09 11:07 PM
Under international law Pirates are still subject to Summary Execution, (Hasn't been done in awhile though) , so that's whats happened here!

Onkel Neal 04-13-09 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fincuan (Post 1083359)
That's one of the worst trolls I've ever seen. Show me where the merchant was inside Somali waters and I'll tell you more.

Haha, actually that's one of the most classic troll jobs I've seen here in a while. Really laid out the bait! :haha: Let's see who bites....

Jimbuna 04-14-09 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SandyCaesar (Post 1083476)
Ah, I see. So you're saying because their society condones anarchy, robbery, and murder, we should let them do it to us?

Real brilliant argument there. :nope:

By the same token, using your own argument, the pirates should understand if we blast them out of the water. After all, our society (by which I mean just about every country that uses the sea) condones the enforcement of freedom of the seas, even if theirs does not. By your argument, no police force in the world has the right to take action against any criminal, because said criminal is operating in a even if it's a just a robber and his cohorts that constitutes said "society".

Plus, even if robbery is a fact of life for the Somalians, I really doubt that they treat it as morally right. Standards may be different, but right and wrong are pretty universal, and by no recognized moral code is outright banditry considered right. Similarly, no moral code describes defending against banditry as wrong.

(I'm aware it's probably a troll poster, but all the same...)
Good response http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1083579)
Haha, actually that's one of the most classic troll jobs I've seen here in a while. Really laid out the bait! :haha: Let's see who bites....
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Aramike 04-14-09 04:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SandyCaesar (Post 1083476)
Ah, I see. So you're saying because their society condones anarchy, robbery, and murder, we should let them do it to us?

Real brilliant argument there. :nope:

By the same token, using your own argument, the pirates should understand if we blast them out of the water. After all, our society (by which I mean just about every country that uses the sea) condones the enforcement of freedom of the seas, even if theirs does not. By your argument, no police force in the world has the right to take action against any criminal, because said criminal is operating in a even if it's a just a robber and his cohorts that constitutes said "society".

Plus, even if robbery is a fact of life for the Somalians, I really doubt that they treat it as morally right. Standards may be different, but right and wrong are pretty universal, and by no recognized moral code is outright banditry considered right. Similarly, no moral code describes defending against banditry as wrong.

(I'm aware it's probably a troll poster, but all the same...)
This post and its poignant rebuttals fall into my "Classic" category.

Kudos. :rock:

JALU3 04-14-09 09:33 AM
But back at the point at hand, I think that there have been several solutions to piracy in the Horn of Africa area that have been proposed by myself and others here. This is a continuing problem as shown by the recent hijacking of two Egyptian Trawlers and a Greek managed, St. Vincent and the Grenadines flagged, bulk carrier. Granted this is an international problem, which requires an international solution. Yet, until everyone can reach an agreement, the nations of registry each have an obligation to those ships which are part of their Merchant Marine Fleet (due to said registry) to protect and defend said ships. Hopefully this will reduce the use of Flags of convenience, which may actually increase the livelihoods of the Merchant Mariners, as well as remind the seafaring States of one of their oldest obligations.

Platapus 04-14-09 09:55 AM
Perhaps the leaders of the world need to dust off the works of Alfred Mahan, Julian Corbett, and John and Philip Colomb. They weren't writing fiction back then :nope:

MothBalls 04-14-09 03:49 PM
So which is going to come first? The big screen version or will it go straight to a made-for-tv movie. Only problem is most action movies only have one hero, Arnold, Sly, Claude, Chuck, Steven, none of the big names would share top billing.

I think that in the movie version the three seals should be played by Sailor Steve, Jimbuna, and commanded by Neal. KP could play the rescued captain. Just have to come up with a title.

death5089 04-14-09 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Max2147 (Post 1083446)
No, what's robbery to us is also robbery to them. You make Somalis sound like a bunch of savages who have no sense of right and wrong. That's not true. Their way of life may be different than ours, but that doesn't mean that they're completely devoid of morals.

You're trying to defend the pirates here, but you're even more racist than those who are calling the pirates scum.
I am not rascist at all. My family is from Afghanistan and Pakistan, two of the most tribal places in world. Our society is one of revenge and those men and boys have no choice but to steal for survival. We are talking about a place where people still have to hunt to survive. They are like viking raiders and yet everyone treats them like they are the bad guys. I am not saying that everyone there is without morals but i understand why these men are pirates in one of the poorest countries in the world. Do not condemn them, they have experienced more turmoil than anybody else.

Max2147 04-14-09 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by death5089 (Post 1084049)
I am not rascist at all. My family is from Afghanistan and Pakistan, two of the most tribal places in world. Our society is one of revenge and those men and boys have no choice but to steal for survival. We are talking about a place where people still have to hunt to survive. They are like viking raiders and yet everyone treats them like they are the bad guys. I am not saying that everyone there is without morals but i understand why these men are pirates in one of the poorest countries in the world. Do not condemn them, they have experienced more turmoil than anybody else.
I've lived with Pakistanis. Their society isn't, tribal, it isn't based on revenge, and they never stole a thing from me. They were good, honest, civilized people that I'm still good friends with.

Just because somebody's had a tough life doesn't mean we can't condemn then when they commit crimes. These pirates don't steal to survive, they steal to get rich. They have a very luxurious lifestyle.

Saying that a society is based on theft, revenge, and murder is very racist indeed, even if you don't intend to be racist. It's even more racist because it's completely false. The vast majority of Afghans/Pakistanis/Somalis are honest, moral people who think that murder and theft are horrible things.

Jimbuna 04-14-09 04:48 PM
Fun facts about Somali pirates.

1) Being Muslim, they aren't allowed to drink rum.

2) They say "Allah hu Akbarrrr Jimlad"

3) They are secretly led by Abu Hamza. The hook hand is a dead giveaway.

4) Their girlfriends are as skinny as Keira Knightley. They put it down to the local Famine Diet.

5) They're currently embroiled in a fight to the death with the Ethiopian Ninjas.

6) None of them are in the Caribbean. But if their great-great-grandfathers hadn't been so good at hide-from-whitey, they might be.

JALU3 04-14-09 08:53 PM
News Update: US Flagged ship M/V Liberty Sun has been attacked, but have escaped an attempted pirate attack. The ships is now presently being escorted by a Coalition vessel.

http://www.libertymar.com/images/lmc002.jpg

Press Release from Liberty Maritime (the company that operates the vessel)
CNN
ABC News

Again, another ship that was attempting to bring aid to those in need. You would think that they would learn, or were they attempting to make a point that US Merchant Mariners are no longer safe? Thankfully we won't know. Furthermore, thankfully they aren't more organized.

So what about that Marine detachment idea? What about providing logistics support to IGASOM?

Onkel Neal 04-14-09 11:48 PM
You know what's really sad? Some of these ships are carrying food aid to feed these people. And they attack them. :nope:

Letum 04-15-09 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1084262)
You know what's really sad? Some of these ships are carrying food aid to feed these people. And they attack them.
In their defence, I very much doubt they know about that and 'carrying food
aid' might mean one container of food amongst 100 containers.

That said, I doubt it would stop them attacking if it was packed full of aid and
they knew that. Who can say.

Onkel Neal 04-15-09 09:07 AM
Some interesting details about Navy SEAL sniper training.

I didn't know this was considered an "easy" shot for them :o Zounds!

SteamWake 04-15-09 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1084400)
Some interesting details about Navy SEAL sniper training.

I didn't know this was considered an "easy" shot for them :o Zounds!
Yea they practice this kind of thing (sniper fire off a rolling deck) quite a bit.

Everyone was saying 'miraculous shot' ... for me it would be a miracle, for them its nothing new.


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