Correct me if I am wrong

Read this thread

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115470

And what does it say

And the date

26th May 2007

So when someone ( Anvart ) posts GWX did it a long time ago
He is correct
AND the file was released to the community

So Jim did reply in the affermative as he released that file for Privateer

Better moderation.

This is the only website of many I belong too, where one member publically posting "You're a friggin idiot, shut the hell up" to another member is tolerated.

The excuse of "we're all grown ups and can police ourselves" is BS, because obviously that isn't true.

And while some might enjoy the freedom to run their mouths any way they wish, others should not ignore the negative atmosphere that allowing such childish crap to exist creates.

Likewise, someone entering another thread with the obvious only intention to antagonize someone, should also be dealt with. The fact that it's not, is a big reason why we have this thread right now.

To me its really simple

eject spammers and flamers without regard for position or history,
remorslessly and consistently. Sooner or later the bad eggs will be
gone and the tame eggs will be left, simply because the bad eggs
cant stop themselves from it and the good ones can.

evolutions a contact sport,

besides there is precedent for ejection with pardon.
so even in the event thats not necessarily total exclusion
either but serious reprimand with permanent overtones.

if nothing else a liberal application of the brig in specific cases of
rule violation.

in civi street, it works like this, if it is offensive to someone then by
definition if it falls somewhere in the vicinity of the behaviour then it
is an Offense, or so it seems these days in civil law. this I feel should
be a clear position to judge from for all moderators.

M

Sure he was correct. That's clearly not the issue.

The issue was the real intention of Anvart in that thread, to bust skwasjer chops. And Jimbuna, rather than either calm it or ignore it, seizes the opportunity to fan the flames with a further rub in skwasjers face with a "GWX did it first" post.

It's pretty hard to not see that any other way.

EXACTLY!


The problem here is, certain individuals have been given carte blanche to act anyway they please.

That needs to change.

Well as posted by numerous ppl GWX had a fix and never released it
Anvart is NOT part of GWX
And all Jim did was agree with Anvart as Anvart was correct in saying GWX did it ages ago
AND RELEASED IT

See this is the kind of BS that gets nowhere

What Anvart says is a matter for Anvart
No one else

I thought the idea of this thread was to come to an agreement about peace and respect
NOT use it to drag up old scores and vent
As some seem intent on doing

No arguement with that at all

Sorry BBW, but your teammate danlisa justed posted that thread, as a weapon against someone.

You guys are okay to drag up old threads, when it works for you.

When it doesn't, you want to complain about dragging up old threads.



Being hypocritical and one sided is exactly what contributes to these problems.


I'm all for working together for solutions. But what's fair for you to do should be fair for everyone else as well.

See Neal they Can agree on something :up:

Well I just spent that last few minutes going through all of my e-mail accounts that had the header "Reported Post from Subsim.com"" and guess what.... not a single one from anyone on either side of this issue.

Lots and lots about spammers, several on people who don't use the search function and one that I have no idea what-the-hell they were talking about, but nothing on any of this... ever.

Colour me surprised.

JCC

Danlisa isnt the only one to drag up old threads and old scores
Did I drag up an old score ? - one thread which showed a release of something said not been released
I speak for myself as Dan does
So where was I being hypocritical ?

If all the crew at Ducimus's forum all wore the same sig would they all be lumped in together ?
Doubt it

You try to move forward and tis a drag back all the time
So whats the point ?
No really

Whats the point

I like to believe everybody booked onto this thread to improve
the community and just got caught being human.

when you have previous grudges its hard not to get inflamed
true for both sides, the trick is to fight being reactionary
and maintain the initiative. in the final analysis its about improving
the social atmosphere here back to a more Pink Fuzzy Bunny Kind O Place.

M (out)

Okay John, let's look at that for a sec;


I made a statement that said certain posting behaviors create a negative atmosphere. That would seem to be fairly irrefutable common logic.

You, as a staff member, decide to ridicule me for the statement.

When that's the posture of the staff, why would they email you?


I'm done. You guys can waddle in the mess that you say you want to fix, but actually refuse to.

It was not my intention to ridicule anyone, but rather to point out that it is everyone's responsiblity to help keep things in order. The point is if anyone (again...ANYONE) sees a post that they find objectionable then report it.

Only that.

JCC

And before I forget it is probably time for a reminder that, even though Neal did encourage people to express their views openly, this is not a free fire zone.

Keep it civil.


JCC