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AVGWarhawk 05-11-08 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus
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Originally Posted by Von Tonner
Take Michelle with her statement: "For the first time in my adult life I am proud to be an American".

Just to clear up a common error. This was NOT what she said. She has been misquoted so many times that people forget what she really said.

Her statement was "For the first time in my adult life I am really proud to be an American."

That adverb "really" changes the whole meaning. Her statement never implied that she was never proud to be an American. Just the opposite. It implied that she was always proud to be an American but, in referencing the activity being discussed, now she was really proud to be an American.

You can't be really proud of being an American without first being proud to be an American or the use of the adverb "really" does not make grammatical sense.

When she is misquoted by taking out the adverb, it changes the meaning of the sentence. This is the purpose of adverbs, they further define the sentence.

Since the agenda was to ridicule Michelle. the quote was altered as to put her in the worst light. Repeat this lie enough times and people will believe the lie.


Read a few posts back. All agreed that this was out of context. Michelle had a thought that did not come out as she had planned. That is clearly evident. The first time I heard that sentence my thoughts were she delivered her idea in the wrong way. Currently, if a First Lady was to be picked this very day by me....it would be Michelle Obama. First of all, she is very bright and did not become a leading member of the medical community in the greater Chicago area because she is an idiot. Secondly, there is no doubt in my mind that Michelle would do a hell of a lot more then the current First Lady who did nothing for 8 years. Lets face it, she has done not one thing. There is no reason she could not have visited Walter Reed Hospital over the past 5 years....and I mean regularly. To further Michelles imput as a First Lady...the current healthcare system is not the best. Who best to put in charge of making a change for the healthcare system? She does it now in Chicago. I'm certain she learned and created some new things. No reason she could not put that to use on a grander scale.

Platapus 05-11-08 03:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNGjawtP48

It shows her saying really the first time she said the quote.

It is important to listen to the entire quote and not just pick out the second speech when she did not say the word really

Yes it is true that the second speech she used the phrase she did not use the word really.

But the first time, when she was introducing the concept in to her speech she used the word really. The second time when she was referencing back to what she had previously said, she did not.

I do apologize for not quoting her exact words in my original post. (I guess I am guilty as everyone else for not remembering her exact words).

The quote is

"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country...."

NEON DEON 05-11-08 04:02 PM

No she amended her speech the same day and it was the other way around.

Milwaukee: "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country"

Later that day in Madison she did damage control and ammended the speech to include really.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02...he-first-time/

Now if you want to say stuff like: See there that implies she was proud of her country when she was a kid since she said adult life; I will buy that.

But then you would just get into the 20 years of adult life spent with Wright.

The word "really" was some "general semantics" damage control that you seem to have bit into hook, line, and sinker.

AVGWarhawk 05-11-08 04:34 PM

@ Neon,

I think her thought just came out the wrong way and once it was out of the bag there was no turning back. Yes, I suspect she was proud of the country as a child but as she moved into adulthood and experienced inequalites, her opinion was formed all be it negative. Can anyone really blame her? Not really. But, at this juncture of her life, watching the democratic process at work, the support for her husband by both white and black alike, her opinion of the country was taking a tone of change and looking beyond color..taking a closer look at substance of the individual, not the color. Something she holds deeply apparently that pushed her into this speech. I find no fault with Michelle Obama.

Platapus 05-11-08 06:28 PM

Ok you guys have convinced me. I am now seeing it your way.

I refuse to vote for Michelle Obama for President of the United States. :yep:
:)

AVGWarhawk 05-11-08 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus
Ok you guys have convinced me. I am now seeing it your way.

I refuse to vote for Michelle Obama for President of the United States. :yep:
:)

Good Lord, the work "really" is getting as bad as Bill Clintons what is "is"? Oh really?:hmm:

NEON DEON 05-11-08 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus
Ok you guys have convinced me. I am now seeing it your way.

I refuse to vote for Michelle Obama for President of the United States. :yep:
:)

Good Lord, the work "really" is getting as bad as Bill Clintons what is "is"? Oh really?:hmm:

???

How about "Oh really"

Isnt he that a conservative commentator on Fox?:D

TDK1044 05-12-08 07:58 AM

So here's what's left:

West Virginia = 28 Delegates [13 May]
Kentucky - 51 Delegates [20 May]
Oregon = 52 Delegates [20 May]
Puerto Rico = 55 Delegates [1 June]
Montana = 16 Delegates [3 June]
South Dakota = 15 Delegates [3 June]


WV I would give to Clinton by a 70 to 30 majority.
KY I would give to Clinton 55 to 45
OR I would give to Obama 52 to 48
PR I would give to Clinton 60 to 40
MT I would give to Obama 55 to 45
SD I would give to Obama 55 to 45


She'll gain some delegates, some of which will be negated by the daily SD endorsements for Obama. He'll be well over 100 delegates ahead of her come June 3rd....maybe as many as 120, and then the SDs can finally do their thing and end this farce.

AVGWarhawk 05-12-08 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEON DEON
Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus
Ok you guys have convinced me. I am now seeing it your way.

I refuse to vote for Michelle Obama for President of the United States. :yep:
:)

Good Lord, the work "really" is getting as bad as Bill Clintons what is "is"? Oh really?:hmm:

???

How about "Oh really"

Isnt he that a conservative commentator on Fox?:D

No sir, that would be O'Reilly:rotfl:

AVGWarhawk 05-12-08 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044
So here's what's left:

West Virginia = 28 Delegates [13 May]
Kentucky - 51 Delegates [20 May]
Oregon = 52 Delegates [20 May]
Puerto Rico = 55 Delegates [1 June]
Montana = 16 Delegates [3 June]
South Dakota = 15 Delegates [3 June]


WV I would give to Clinton by a 70 to 30 majority.
KY I would give to Clinton 55 to 45
OR I would give to Obama 52 to 48
PR I would give to Clinton 60 to 40
MT I would give to Obama 55 to 45
SD I would give to Obama 55 to 45


She'll gain some delegates, some of which will be negated by the daily SD endorsements for Obama. He'll be well over 100 delegates ahead of her come June 3rd....maybe as many as 120, and then the SDs can finally do their thing and end this farce.

It is time for Hillary to throw in the towel. She is wasting everyone time at the moment. It is time to hear from Obama and McCain via a debate.

Tchocky 05-12-08 08:35 AM

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It is time to hear from Obama and McCain via a debate.
In yesterday's NYT, I read that both Obama and McCain are interested in holding many open-forum unmoderated debates across the country.
McCain proposed it, and Obama said it was a great idea. This is going to be a very unusual camaign. I can't wait.

hang on, let me find th'article

here we are -
Quote:

In a sign of what could be an extremely unusual fall campaign, the two sides said Saturday that they would be open to holding joint forums or unmoderated debates across the country in front of voters through the summer. Mr. Obama, campaigning in Oregon, said that the proposal, floated by Mr. McCain’s advisers, was “a great idea.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us...36c&ei=5087%0A

EDIT - CLinton may not have won Indiana at all.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/dwindling-lead.html

NEON DEON 05-14-08 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044
She'll win KY, WV and PR, and in doing so she'll gain about as many delegates as he just won in North Carolina

Landslide in West Virginia 72/28 took care of pledged delegates gained by Obama last week.

North Carolina: +15 for Obama
Indiana: -04 for Obama
West VA -12 for Obama

Which means + 1 for Hillary:yep:

Next drubbing is Kentucky:D 65/35

BTW: No way does Obama get 55% of the vote in any state that is left which means by the time Puerto Rico finishes its election even Obama math will not give him the popular vote.

And for all you change fanatics out there try and spin that one to the SDs who can change their vote anytime they want to.

AVGWarhawk 05-14-08 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky
Quote:

It is time to hear from Obama and McCain via a debate.
In yesterday's NYT, I read that both Obama and McCain are interested in holding many open-forum unmoderated debates across the country.
McCain proposed it, and Obama said it was a great idea. This is going to be a very unusual camaign. I can't wait.

hang on, let me find th'article

here we are -
Quote:

In a sign of what could be an extremely unusual fall campaign, the two sides said Saturday that they would be open to holding joint forums or unmoderated debates across the country in front of voters through the summer. Mr. Obama, campaigning in Oregon, said that the proposal, floated by Mr. McCain’s advisers, was “a great idea.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/us...36c&ei=5087%0A

EDIT - CLinton may not have won Indiana at all.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/dwindling-lead.html


Nice find! Should prove to be interesting.

Tchocky 05-14-08 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEON DEON
BTW: No way does Obama get 55% of the vote in any state that is left which means by the time Puerto Rico finishes its election even Obama math will not give him the popular vote.

And for all you change fanatics out there try and spin that one to the SDs who can change their vote anytime they want to.

Well, first I'd very much question your 4% win for Clinton in Indiana - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana...,_2008#Results

Yes, and the superdelegates that Obama has picked up over the last week more or less cancel out Clinton's WV gains. Obama has gained 26 SD in the last week, and the total delgates from WV is 28, and Clinton didn;t get them all. This hasn't changed the race one bit. You're right in that superdelegates can change their vote anytime they like

Point is, even with a victory margin that was a lot larger than anyone really predicted, nobody is taking this win seriously.
Popular vote? Primary season isn't about the popular vote, and it never was an issue until Clinton fell behind in delegates.

TDK1044 05-14-08 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEON DEON
Quote:

Originally Posted by TDK1044
She'll win KY, WV and PR, and in doing so she'll gain about as many delegates as he just won in North Carolina

Landslide in West Virginia 72/28 took care of pledged delegates gained by Obama last week.

North Carolina: +15 for Obama
Indiana: -04 for Obama
West VA -12 for Obama

Which means + 1 for Hillary:yep:

Next drubbing is Kentucky:D 65/35

BTW: No way does Obama get 55% of the vote in any state that is left which means by the time Puerto Rico finishes its election even Obama math will not give him the popular vote.

And for all you change fanatics out there try and spin that one to the SDs who can change their vote anytime they want to.


You live in a little bubble world of your own. It's really quite amusing. The only reason that a massive flood of super delegates haven't yet come out for Obama is because they would much rather let Hillary get to the point where she pulls out. Be assured though, come June 3rd, Hillary will be dead in the water. She can have her meaningless victories before then. In the last two weeks, 30 super delegates have come out for Obama and two have come out for Hillary. Let her march proudly on the the meaningless state of Kentucky.
:rotfl:


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