Careful, bradclark might have you arrested. :rotfl:

While science cant disprove god, nor is that its goal, neither can you prove a god.
Disbelief in dieties is a lack of faith not a matter of faith. As hard as this may be for you to understand some of us do not need to atribute the unknown to the supernatural.

You have not disproven God's existence or role in Earth's creation or natural processes.

The difference is, I'm not pulling crap out of my rear end. Unlike you, I'm not an internet junkie, mr. google. I am thinking directly to the mathematics of your junk science. And can see the flaws, and inconsistencies for what they are. It doesn't add up. It's not easy to see it if you're incapable of it.

True, but while religion is grafted in personal faith, and devotion to spirituality, some people simply discount religious beliefs because of scientific principles. If you believe in God, it doesn't mean you cannot adhere to science. And vice versa.

Agreed Sea Demon, but personaly I discount religious belief because its irrational, regardless of which religon you belive in.

OK. That's the decision you made for your own life. You're free to believe that way if you wish. I am a Christian who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. And I still acknowledge scientific evidence. And I'm awed at humanity's application of it.

Got to go to work. Got to be in meetings by 9:30 this morning. I'm already running late. Good day to you.

And you have not disproven the existence of pink elephants, 5-dimensional licorice and flying spagetti monsters that I conclude to exist by 1:1 the same "logic" you argue with. ;) Show me where the pink elephants are sleeping, and I show you where the spagettis are flying.

And always remember: that you cannot see the pink elephants does not mean that they do not exist, so keep digging!

No, I show contempt for people who don't do research to prove there point because they are too lazy to look. I show contempt for people who don't research anything, just pull ideas out of there butt like 2007 record cooling or ice isn't melting because its -100 degrees and try and cover it with something like "independent thought". Your laziness isn't independent thought it's just laziness pure and simple.
I also haven't railed against oil companies and energy partners whoever or whatever they are. I plainly pointed out that scientist who are vocal about GW have been paid by oil companies. Am I wrong in that? No I'm not. I've shown you often enough. With all these thousand of scientists you say oppose GW you would think they would band together and be under one voice. There are no voices except for your oil paid scientist which is the only thing you ever show.
Wrong! Its your problem to show your theory which you won't do because you are too lazy to research anything and just want to use the term "independent thinking" to cover whatever you pull out of your butt. Wrong answer!
Yes I've shown which is a sight more then you do with your "independent thinking". With all this independent thinking you must have some data to come to that independent thought. Show it!
There you go! But you should change it to Sea Deamon is just too lazy which would more accurately cover it.
The hell it doesn't. You say record cooling I say record warming showing the proof to include FOX news which you swear by. More of your "independent thought" which should be "independent of reality".
Thats a laugh! You made an assertion that the Martian ice is melting because of solar warming. You were to lazy to research and find out it thaws and refreezes every single year Mr independent thinker.
Well if that doesn't show your lack of intelligence I don't know what does.:rotfl:

Due to human activities such as the combustion of fossil fuels and deforestation, the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased by about 35% since the beginning of the age of industrialization.
China's recorded emissions for 2006 beyond those from the US already. It says China produced 6,200m tonnes of CO2 last year, compared with 5,800m tonnes from the US. Britain produced about 600m tonnes
To work out the emissions figures, Dr Oliver used data issued by the oil company BP earlier this month on the consumption of oil, gas and coal across the world during 2006, as well as information on cement production published by the US Geological Survey. Cement production, which requires huge amounts of energy, accounts for about 4% of global CO2 production from fuel use and industrial sources. China's cement industry, which has rapidly expanded in recent years and now produces about 44% of world supply, contributes almost 9% of the country's CO2 emissions. Dr Olivier calculated carbon dioxide emissions from each country's use of oil, gas and coal using UN conversion factors. China's surge beyond the US was helped by a 1.4% fall in the latter's CO2 emissions during 2006, which analysts say is down to a slowing US economy.
The new figures only include carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel burning and cement production. They do not include sources of other greenhouse gases, such as methane from agriculture and nitrous oxide from industrial processes. And they exclude other sources of carbon dioxide, such as from the aviation and shipping industries, as well as from deforestation, gas flaring and underground coal fires.
Up to 40% of the gas emitted by some volcanoes during subaerial volcanic eruptions is carbon dioxide. According to the best estimates, volcanoes release about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.
It is estimated that about half of all the man-made emissions of carbon dioxide have been taken out of the air and absorbed by natural carbon "sinks" on the land and in the sea. Many computer models of the climate predict that as the Earth continues to get warmer, these sinks will become less able to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Actually, those who discount God merely have their faith placed in Self, Science, Money or some other material thing as their god.

Everyone believes in something. You take many things on faith without even realizing that's what it is.

Just as a bird in the deep forest exists whether you're aware of it or not, God knows He exists.

No matter who's right, we'll all know who's wrong in the end.

That goes for Global Warming as well. Time will tell.

It's time to lock this thread as it has simply degenerated into a flame war over whether God exists or not and attacking each others' beliefs and ignorance, or lack thereof on either count.

You know it's funny, I've read a paper which claimed that the sun plays a major role in global warming, yet it said, that even if the CO2 content of the atmosphere was doubled 1% more cloud coverage would cancel out the warming effect... I don't doubt that, more clouds means less sun and thus cooler temps... BUT more solar activity and more energy coming from the sun would mean more clouds... very contradicting IMHO.

:arrgh!:

Translates into: all your talking is nice and well, but in the end we theists are right, no matter what - and you know it.

And then some people wonder why they trigger aggressive reactions to such claims, for example from people like me. but I have no problem with people believing something that I find weired - as long as they keep their beliefs a private issue and do not demand others to follow them or take their beliefs serious - not even in disucssions like here. Like I also have no problem with people painting their appartement in a colour that I find terrible - as long as I must not sit inside of it and tell them how beautiful it looks.

Some of what you say is simply wrong, btw. especially the first paragraph says less about the ultimate truth you think you own, and more about your most personal and subjective beliefs. One ould at least label it a question of politeness that you name it as that, a private opinion, instead of generalizing it and claiming you speak for the only truth on earth that ever could be.

You may want to make yourself familiar a bit with the concept of atman and anatman, as an alternative to your daring generalisation in the first paragraph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atman_%28Buddhism%29

Theists - so many of them convinced of themselves defining the nature of all mind and universe, and making the laws of nature bending to their precious beliefs, and declaring their own little being something the universe has to take note of, and has to save and to deal with. Theism is the greatest ego-trip ever, me thinks.

Keep your precious wonderful religions to yourself. They are your very personal and intimate business, and nobody else's. Directly or indirectly referring to them, and making them known in public, or even forcing them down some foreigner's throat, is not wanted.

Strange, just some days ago I was locked in anasty thread were sombody out of the blue started about religion and how much I defend it, and when I told him I hate relgions and do not defend them at all and that he should leave it out and better treat me as just this: a normal mortal human being, next he even accused me of mysticism. :dead: If that isn't queer.

Jesus loves even you Skybird. Just remember that... :up:

He is young. Sometimes you must drift away before you are able to see the truth.

Just my 2 cents.

-S