Confirmed SHIV Ships So Far

[AG124]

I now have my copy of the game - unfortunately, the useless Intel 945G video chipset in my laptop won't actually run the game, but I can see what ships are included by looking at the program files. This is the confirmed list, including patch 1.1.

From looking at the program files, it appears that two Japanese submarines are included with the game - I know at least one has already been reported here and at the Ubisoft site.

Japanese:

Battleships:
- Yamato class.
- Fuso class.
- Kongo class.
- Ise class (CVB Version).

Carriers:
- Shokaku class.
- Taiho.
- Hiryu.
- Akitsu Maru class CVE/Aircraft Transport.
- Taiyo class CVE.

Heavy Cruisers:
- Takao class.
- Mogami class.
- Furataka class.
- Maya class (Modernised Takao).

Light Cruisers:
- Agano class.
- Kuma class.
- Naka class.

Destroyers:
- Akitsuki class.
- Asashio class.
- Fubuki class.
- Minekaze class.
- Mutsuki class.
- Shiratsuyu class.

- Submarines:
- Midget Submarine.
- Sen-Toku class.

Seaplane Tenders:
- Chitose class.

Other Auxiliaries:
- Okinoshima class Minelayer (Large Minelayer).
- Minesweeper.
- Subchaser.
- Small Gunboat.
- Medium Gunboat.

Freighters:
Akita Maru Class (Medium Composite Superstructure Freighter) (4070 GRT)
Biyo Maru Class (Medium Old Split Superstructure Freighter) (5425 GRT)
Hakusika Maru Class (Large Old Split Superstructure Freighter) (8150 GRT)
Heito Maru (Medium Modern Composite Superstructure Freighter) (4466 GRT)
Kasagisan Maru Class (Small Old Split Superstructure Freighter) (2427 GRT)
Kinposan Maru Class (Medium Modern Split Superstructure Freighter) (3262 GRT)
Nagara Maru Class (Large Composite Superstructure Freighter) (7154 GRT)
Taihosan Maru Class (Composite Superstructure Freighter) (1805 GRT)
Zinbu Maru Class (Medium European Composite Superstructure Freighter) (5186 GRT)

Tankers:
Buzyun Maru Class (Medium Old Tanker) (4804 GRT)
Haruna Maru Class (Small Old Tanker) (1549 GRT)
Nippon Maru Class (Large Modern Tanker) (9974 GRT)

Liners/Troop Transports:
Conte Verde Class (European-Built Liner) (18,765 GRT)
Horai Maru Class (Large Old Passenger Carrier) (9192 GRT)
Kiturin Maru Class (Modern Passenger Liner) (6783 GRT)
Tyohei Maru Class (Small Passenger Carrier) (1713 GRT)

Coastal Craft:
- Large Sampan.
- Sampan.
- Two Japanese Fishing Boats.
- Junk.
- Tugboat.

Aircraft:
- Aichi D3A1 Dive Bomber ("Val").
- Mitsubishi A6M2 Zero Fighter ("Zeke").

United States:

Aircraft Carriers:
- Wasp ("Early War Fleet Carrier").
- Casablanca class CVE.
- Bogue class CVE.

Battleships:
- New Mexico class.
- Iowa class.
- North Carolina class.

Heavy Cruisers:
- Baltimore class.
- Northampton class.

Light Cruisers:
- Omaha class.
- Brooklyn class.
- Cleveland class.

Destroyers:
- Fletcher class.
- Somers class.
- Clemson class.

Destroyer Escorts:
- Buckley class.
- Evarts class.
- JC Butler class.

Patrol Craft:
- Elco class (PT Boat.
- Armed Trawler.

Submarines:
- S-18 class.
- S-42 class (patch 1.1)
- P class (Porpoise Class).
- Tambor class.
- Salmon class.
- Sargo class.
- Gato class.
- Balao class
- Gar class (?).

Freighters:
- Victory class.
- Liberty class.
- Coastal Composite Freighter.
- Small Split Freighter.

Tankers:
- T3 class.

Troop Transports/Landing Craft:
- LST.
- LCVP.
- Troop Transport.

Other Auxiliaries:
- Sub Tender.

Coastal Craft:
- Fishing Boat.
- Fishing Trawler.
- Tugboat.

Aircraft:
- Avenger Torpedo Bomber.
- B24 Liberator Bomber.
- F4U Corsair Fighter.
- F4F Wildcat Fighter.
- Grumman Hellcat Fighter.
- PBY Catalina.

The above was the reported list. In SHIV, aircraft have generic names, probably for licensing reasons:

- USFighter=Fighter
- USTorpedoBomber=Torpedo Plane
- USHeavyBomber=Long Range Bomber
- LBSUSSearchPlane=Search Plane

There are other nations in the game, but they mostly get some of the generic vessels that were assigned to the US, such as the Tug Boat. I will refer to this as the "Standard Roster Assignment" - below are its contents. Thus, I will just list the unique ones for each nation, plus this assignment:

Standard Roster Assignment:
- Armed Trawler.
- Coastal Composite Freighter.
- Small Split Freighter.
- Fishing Boat.
- Fishing Trawler.
- Tugboat.

UK/Australia/Canada (with their own rosters in game but combined here to save space):
- King George V class BB (UK).
- Kent class CA (UK, Australia).
- Dido class CL (UK).
- Tribal class DD (all three nations mentioned).
- Plus Standard Roster Assignment.

Germany:
- Auxiliary cruiser.
- Plus Standard Roster Assignment.

The Netherlands:
- Frigate (listed as "What is This?" under names file).
- Plus Standard Roster Assignment.

France, India, New Zealand, and Russia are included as well, but with no unique vessels - only the standard roster assignment.

Also Included:
- Lifeboat.
- Liferaft.
- Survivor.

Pictures (Link): (Currently Only Merchants):

http://silenthunter4.uk.ubi.com/ships.php

I may post some screenshots later, but they will probably be on the SHIV site soon anyway.

Maybe this thread would make a good sticky?:hmm:

[Safe-Keeper]

:up:

Maybe this thread would make a good sticky?:hmm::yep:

[JU_88]

Yep sticky this thread! :up: ...and update of course. :rock:

[Safe-Keeper]

Just a reminder: The Zero has made an appearance in the trailer, if you're planning to list airplanes.

[Payoff]

Sticky that puppy! :up:

[WilhelmSchulz.]

I call the fishing boats "Fishi Marus" :yep:

[rodan54]

I'd say the Mogami class for sure is in, well at least the CA/CV hybrid version is.
They've also shown the Val, Avenger, and Liberator.

[JU_88]

B24 - Liberator also in the screenies :rock:

[SmokinTep]

US PT boats would be nice.

[Soviet_Sharpshooter]

If we actually destroy a few Japanese carriers, will that speed up the war :hmm: like will the course of the war be dynamic? :doh: That'd be nice

[fred8615]

United States:

Battleships:
- New Mexico class.

Why is this going to be included?

[AG124]

Why is this going to be included?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that question, so I will answer both possible questions that I think you could mean.

1. Why are US warships being included? The same reason Axis warships were included in SHIII - to enhance the dynamic campaign by having ships from both sides present. This would be particularly useful as the war proceeds further, and more US (and maybe UK and Australian) ships appear on the offensive.

2. Why the New Mexico class? I don't know - there are a lot of older battleships I'd rather see in the game myself, including the Pennsyvania, Nevada, or Colorado classes. Still, maybe we will get several of them anyway.

Also, I will add aircraft to the list - I don't know as much about aircraft as I do about warships, so if anyone can identify the specific models represented (for example, which model of zero) that would help a lot.

[JU_88]

Im the opposite - I know f**k all about ships esp pacific ones, but planes I can spot a mile off.

[bookworm_020]

I hope there is Australian ships (as well as New Zealand, UK, Dutch, and any others). Australian ships were there from day one (Australia was fighting from September 1939, yes it was Europe, but Australians saw action in pretty much every theater of war, as were other countries).:up:

[JU_88]

I hope there is Australian ships (as well as New Zealand, UK, Dutch, and any others). Australian ships were there from day one (Australia was fighting from September 1939, yes it was Europe, but Australians saw action in pretty much every theater of war, as were other countries).:up:

Providing they the devs give us a decent unit editor it will be easy fo us to make ships, planes and hopefully subs form other nations :up: Other wise it will be hard work like in SH3 (but still possible I imagine) Its just that less people will bother.

[Wulfmann]

In the I want I want I want; well if we can only get so much of what we want, I want more of targets and less of something I see when I am in port.

The Devs use the same time/effort per ship type and I would rather have as many Jap ships to target, but that is IMO

Wulfmann

[WilhelmSchulz.]

In the I want I want I want; well if we can only get so much of what we want, I want more of targets and less of something I see when I am in port.

The Devs use the same time/effort per ship type and I would rather have as many Jap ships to target, but that is IMO

Wulfmann
Whats IMO? :-?

[sonar732]

(I)n (M)y (O)pinion

[AG124]

I just posted the aircraft that posters in this thread noticed.:up: If anyone wants to give me more detailed names for them (Like Mitsubishi A6M or something similar) that would be appreciated, as I can't remember them right now.:shifty:

BTW - I really think this thread would make a good sticky, if any moderators are reading this.:hmm:

[rodan54]

Well there's:

Aichi D3A1 "Val" Dive Bomber
Mitsubishi A6M2 "Zero" Fighter

BTW - I really think this thread would make a good sticky, if any moderators are reading this.
Agreed, it would make a nice little unit progress rooster.

[AG124]

Thank you Rodan54 - I have now updated the list correctly.:up:

BTW - I know that Zero was the Japanese nickname for the Mitsubishi A6M2 (wasn't that based on the imperial year 2600?), but do you think I should include the US code name Zeke as well?

[bill clarke]

No DD's, and only one class of CL, no CVL's, no TB's, and please tell me there will be all the major CV's.
I sure hope this doesn't turn out to be a dissapointment.

[AG124]

There is at least one class of US DD and one class of Japanese DD, but I can't see what they are. There are supposed to be at least 70 classes of ships and planes on SHIV (including 50 ships), and the ones listed here are just a few which have been spotted so far. There may be a very good selection - but we must be patient for now.:yep:

[elanaiba]

No DD's, and only one class of CL, no CVL's, no TB's, and please tell me there will be all the major CV's.
I sure hope this doesn't turn out to be a dissapointment.

Would you really expect SHIV to ship with no DDs?!

[rasmus1896]

maybe shiano for japs?
i know she were never ready but still

[AG124]

Well, she was launched and sunk by the USS Archerfish (as I'm sure you already know, as you seem to be familiar with the ship), so even if she wasn't fully commissioned she was still a significant part of the Pacific theatre of submarine operations. I wouldn't be surprised if the dev team decides to include her -if not, then I'm sure some modder around here will.:cool:

[Subnuts]

Would you really expect SHIV to ship with no DDs?!

Now there'd be a relief! :rotfl:

[Safe-Keeper]

Would you really expect SHIV to ship with no DDs?!That'd be one easy title:up:.

[Takeda Shingen]

Would you really expect SHIV to ship with no DDs?!That'd be one easy title:up:.

So we won't be seeing the Yamato on escort duty?

[AG124]

I assume that what we can see now is only a small sample of what will be in SHIV - these are only a few early screenshots and the dev team has promised many more ships than this. Of course, we were supposed to get a lot more ships in SHIII than we actually did - not a single Allied CA, no Axis CL's, only on UK carrier class, no US ships bigger than a DD (except for CVEs), no merchant ships between 2,500 GRT and 6,500 GRT, no French, Russian, or Italian warships (except Soldati DD class) etc...:nope: Of course SHIII was rushed to completion by Ubisoft, or so I think. With SHIV, the dev team already has the game engine and has more time, so I am hoping for a better ship selection and I think there is reason to have such hope.:yep:

[JU_88]

Once the list becomes more complete , I will begin modelling any essential units that are missing, my priority will be Subs and aircraft though, as these are what the devs are likley to skimp on, however if there is once again no AI for submarines A la sh3 - then I wont bother making any subs (no point)
From what ive seen of SH4 so far, it looks as though poly count isnt too bigger issue..

Id love to have four or five units ready to ship shortly after the games released, :rock: - but it all depend on how difficult/easy its is to add units to SH4, if its anything like the way it was in SH3 then dont hold your breath.:stare: :damn:

[elanaiba]

Of course, we were supposed to get a lot more ships in SHIII than we actually did - not a single Allied CA, no Axis CL's, only on UK carrier class, no US ships bigger than a DD (except for CVEs), no merchant ships between 2,500 GRT and 6,500 GRT, no French, Russian, or Italian warships (except Soldati DD class) etc...:nope:

Where did "we were supposed" come from? Did Ubisoft advertise the said ships as being in the game? Were they even promised? I think not.

Of course, it would have been nice to have them, no question about it, but please to not mislead the "people" :)

[Captain_AJ]

Achi val Da43
A6m2
A6m3
A6m4
A6m5

Ki41 made by Mistubushi . Which was army Bomber

NK1k Flying boat

Gm3 betty Bomber

See yas

[AG124]

Where did "we were supposed" come from? Did Ubisoft advertise the said ships as being in the game? Were they even promised? I think not.

Yes, they did promise over 70 ships for SHIII originally (plus 20 aircraft), which is a lot more than what we actually got. Here is a quote from a Q&A session posted on the SHIII official site during the development phase of the game.

14. (Taskforce1x1): How many ships does SHIII have modeled?
(Devteam): SH3 will feature over 70 warship and merchant types, plus over 20 plane types of the German, British, American and Italian inventory of WW2. Expect to see also ships under neutral flags and some other minor navies. ---------------

I'm not blaming the dev team for the lack of ships, but what I said is still true.

[elanaiba]

Roger, I stand rebuked :oops:

[Safe-Keeper]

So they've decreased the number for Silent Hunter 4, from about 90 to about 70.

Let's hope they manage to meet their goal. Ubisoft higher-ups, please give our Romanian buddies all the time they need.

[AG124]

Well, since they already have the game engine, they should have more time than before. Also, it appears that they have been given more development time than they had for SHIII (unless Ubisoft suddenly decides to release the game early again.

[(SH3)JOHN LAMARRE]

does someone still have sh1

[AG124]

I still have two copies, but I haven't played it in awhile. Maybe I will do so next summer, just for the sake of nostalgia.:hmm:

[gmuno]

I've watched the trailer several times and i'm pretty sure that there is a quick glimpse of a Nagato (the ship before the plane goes down). If you concure, you could add it to the list.

[AG124]

I see the ship you are talking about, but the shot is not clear. It could be the Nagato, but it could also be the Fuso again.:-? Also, I'm still sure that is a Shokaku class carrier in that fleet, but I still can't get a clearer look at her either.

[gmuno]

Look at the hull. It looks like there's this torpedo-catch (don't know the correct English term, in German it's "Torpedo-Wulst", ahh, look at a picture of the Revenge or QE-class, they've got em too). I've never seen a picture of the Fuso with those security devices. There are only 4 big gun mounts visible, too.

[Nokia]

Isn't there any japanese subs in SHIV? ? ?

[(SH3)JOHN LAMARRE]

in sh1 has the manual for it in game u can see those ships are in it

[AG124]

Look at the hull. It looks like there's this torpedo-catch (don't know the correct English term, in German it's "Torpedo-Wulst", ahh, look at a picture of the Revenge or QE-class, they've got em too). I've never seen a picture of the Fuso with those security devices. There are only 4 big gun mounts visible, too.

You are right - that is definitely not the Fuso class (I've now paused the video for a closer inspection). But the question is whether or not the object aft of the fwd funnel is actually a second funnel or the aft pagoda mast. In other words, this looks like the Kongo class to me. See how the two aft turrets are widely spaced apart? Also, the mast is forward of the second object instead of directly on it, and the funnel/fwd funnel is too close to the bridge. I hope I am wrong though - the image is blurry and it is hard to tell.:cry:

[rodan54]

After taking some time to view the video again, I'll have to agree with you AG124. The ship in question is indeed a Kongo class. The turret arrangment (the stern guns), and the two stacks plus aft bridge are dead give-a-ways.

Oh, we can also add the P-38 to the list of planes. ;)

[gmuno]

I still see only one funnel.
Just for making sure, we're talking about the same ship: the sub fires one torpedo => 2 torps racing towards target => ship in question => burning plane going down => ...

[rodan54]

Ohhhh......that ship, well that my friend would be a New Mexico Class BB.

[gmuno]

Ups :oops:, i never thought it could be an American.

[AG124]

The Kongo is the battleship which can briefly be seen in the same shot in which the plane is being shot down in flames.

So far, the New Mexico class seems to be the only US warship to be confirmed for the game.

[Steeltrap]

The Kongo is the battleship which can briefly be seen in the same shot in which the plane is being shot down in flames.

So far, the New Mexico class seems to be the only US warship to be confirmed for the game.

Gee, does that mean we get escorted to and from harbour by a New Mexico BB??

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[AG124]

Gee, does that mean we get escorted to and from harbour by a New Mexico BB??
If so, then that would be a tempting target if I were in an evil mood and wanted to start a new career anyway.

:hmm: :/\\chop:lost:

:D

[Agrippa]

So the career won't start you off in an S-Class like SH1? I had expected it would (though I really don't know the historical makeup of the U.S. sub fleet when the war began). Is this confirmed, or more of a guess?

[AG124]

Yes, the dev team has confirmed that there will be only four US subs (with different variants and upgrades), and those will be the four listed on the list in the first page. They have also confirmed there will be no AI Japanese subs, and probably no AI US subs.:nope: Should still be a good game though.

[JU_88]

They have also confirmed there will be no AI Japanese subs, and probably no AI US subs.:nope: Should still be a good game though.

NOOOO!!! When did they confirm that???
:damn:

Why is it so hard to write some AI for submarines, Its not like its never been done before... (SH 1&2 anyone?:stare:)
So once again we play as the only submarine in the whole wide world (pft!)
I was prepared to model a couple of I-boats and maybe a British T class to add later in a mod, No bloody point in me doing that now is there.

That has just made me a whole lot less bothered about SHIV altogether.... :nope:

Really dissapointing.

[AG124]

It was confirmed that there would no Japanese subs (either AI or human-controlled) during the interview which was linked to here earlier. Also, there may not be any US ones, but there is still a small chance.

Quotes from the interview:

Subsim: Will Japanese subs be included?
SH4 Dev Team: With the current time for development we are not able to model Japanese subs, so we are very sorry to announce that this feature will not be available in the game.



Ivica Paulisic, 30, Croatia: Will we have the opportunity to attack within a wolfpack and meet AI subs, too?
SH4 Dev Team: We know this feature is highly important for the community and so it is to us – even though Wolfpacks were more prominent in the Atlantic than in the PTO. We have it on our list for additional features, we are studying it, and if time allows, it will make it in the game.

[bookworm_020]

I hope there is AI Subs!:yep: I sure if there is AI subs, the modders will be able to think a way to make the Japanese subs. Then we will have some extra eye candy, as well some new targets to boot!:up:

[AG124]

If there are AI US Subs, I don't see any reason why modders can't add AI Japanese ones (or even ones from other nations like the UK and the Netherlands).:hmm:

[JU_88]

It was confirmed that there would no Japanese subs (either AI or human-controlled) during the interview which was linked to here earlier. Also, there may not be any US ones, but there is still a small chance.

Quotes from the interview:

Subsim: Will Japanese subs be included?
SH4 Dev Team: With the current time for development we are not able to model Japanese subs, so we are very sorry to announce that this feature will not be available in the game.



Ivica Paulisic, 30, Croatia: Will we have the opportunity to attack within a wolfpack and meet AI subs, too?
SH4 Dev Team: We know this feature is highly important for the community and so it is to us – even though Wolfpacks were more prominent in the Atlantic than in the PTO. We have it on our list for additional features, we are studying it, and if time allows, it will make it in the game.



AHA, but how do we know weather they ment NO jap subs period - or just no playable ones????
We dont, you got me worried there, but now I still retain some hope. :arrgh!:

[AG124]

Well, they also posted a separate Q&A dealing with player-controlled Japanese subs (of course, those won't be in the game). It seems to me that in this answer, they were refering to all Japanese subs, but I share your hope as well. Still, this time, they do not deny the existence of any Japanese subs.:hmm:

Quote dealing with playable Japanese Subs:

Ken Ho, 31, Japan: Can a Japanese submarine be controlled?
SH4 Dev Team: Negative, Japanese submarines will not be player controllable for SHIV.

[JU_88]

Looks like I dont take my sig down just yet then.... :lol:

[TheSatyr]

In one of the screen shots I've seen there appears to be a Kagero or Asashio class DD. (From that distance it was hard to make out which one).

[AG124]

Yes, there is definitely at least one Japanese DD on those shots, but I can't see what it is either. Also, there is a US DD in one of the newest shots. I think I will update the list to include "Unknown DDs" for now.:hmm:

[AG124]

Now that we have some more screenshots thanks to AOD and MarineSims, it appears that there are more vessels visible. These are the ones I that I thought I saw:

US Fletcher class DD (?)
US Carrier (unidentified)
Japanese Akizuki class DD (?)

Can anyone confirm these?

[rodan54]

Looks like the Fletcher and Akizuki for sure. :up:

I'm not positive on the carrier, but judging by the superstructure I'd assume it to be an Essex class most likely.

[AG124]

I think I will add those to the list. Thanks for the supporting opinion.:up:

[peterloo]

NO S-class??? How come

modders, I'm afraid that u have a new, but hard topic to work on;)

[Agrippa]

So the four US controllable boats listed at the start of this thread are:

P-class
Tambor Class
Salmon Class
Gato Class

S-class boats]

It's been suggested somewhere that the Balao and Tench classes are included under the Gato heading, since those two classes were upgrades and improvements from the Gatos. But while looking around, I've found that the Tambor class is sometimes said to include the Gar subs, and that the Sargo class subs were practically the same as the Salmon.

Is there any confirmation that this is how US sub availability works in the game? Do the sub classes listed in the first post include those later improvements which were called by other names, as I've described (i.e. that "Gato" also includes Balao and Tench)? Or is the 4 class listing all that we know so far?

Also, SH3 allowed you to customize your sub, to a certain extent, by choosing deck guns, conning towers, advanced equipment. Will the same thing be possible in SH4?

[AG124]

Yes, there will be several variants of each of the four subs - that has been confirmed. I think that the Balao and Tench would be included as Gato variants as it would make sense, but the variant types have not been confirmed yet.

[TheSatyr]

If the game actually ends in Oct. 44,(An odd end date for a PTO game...hopefully there was just a misunderstanding),then I wouldn't expect to see the Tench class in the game.

[AG124]

Yes, I forgot about that.:huh: I just can't seem to get that horrible possibility of an early end to the war in my head as an actual feature of the game.:cry:

[CWorth]

In the I want I want I want; well if we can only get so much of what we want, I want more of targets and less of something I see when I am in port.

The Devs use the same time/effort per ship type and I would rather have as many Jap ships to target, but that is IMO

Wulfmann

I agree 100%

I would much prefer to see a larger contingent of Japanese shipping than a bunch of ships that will serve no purpose in the game other than eye candy sucking down framerates as I leave port.

[iambecomelife]

I've been scouring the vids for merchantmen, and I finally got a glimpse of a Victory Ship, so I think we can add it to the list. I haven't noticed any others (apart fro mthe small craft already mentioned). More and more it looks like they're focusing on big-gun warships and fleet engagements.

PLEASE let there be a decent number of cargo ships!! :dead:

[bigboywooly]

:rotfl:
No doubt the Japenese will all be sailing about in C/ T type Merchants/Tankers as the Axis do in SH3

[_Seth_]

Possibly something like this:
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8835/hmaruho3.jpg

[Wulfmann]

PLEASE let there be a decent number of cargo ships!! :dead:

Amen!:rock:

Wulfmann

[U-snafu]

So far, the New Mexico class seems to be the only US warship to be confirmed for the game.

I hope they include the north carolina class (the two of them-USS NC and USS washington)--first of the fast battleship class. The bio of The USS NC states it participated in almost every magor engagement of the pacific war and even shelled industrial areas on the mainland near the end of the war. (of course I am a little biased:roll: )

[fire-fox]

hi, _Seth_ what is the sorse of that page.

[elanaiba]

Probably this:

http://www.history-on-cdrom.com/id132.htm

[Sailor Steve]

YES! That's the one I've been looking for. With that we can put a lot more merchants into the 'name' sections. I've been wanting the British merchant one for SH3 Commander, now that they've divided up the classes. Thank you for that link!:rock:

[AG124]

@ Iambecomelife - this is my greatest wish as well, as I care about merchants more than warships (although I do care about both). I also hope at least some of them have variable tonnages - I can't stress this point enough, although I have little hope for it. The freighter selection in SHI was pretty good, although the Standard Merchant seemed to be too big (in terms of both length and tonnage) - correct me if I'm wrong, which I may be. Only two tankers though, and at extreme ends of the tonnage scale too. The Converted Whale Factory looked more like a unconverted freighter, and about 90% of all of the ones I have seen were converted tankers and liners with very different appearances from the original ship. Also, there was only one Troop Transport, although including Sampans and Armed Merchant Cruisers was a good idea.

(BTW - did you say you say a US Victory Ship in one of those videos?:huh: If so, then I will add it to the list.)

@ _Seth_ - I would kill for a Whale Factory Ship of some kind in SHIV, but don't count on it. However, there are always modders...:cool:

[fire-fox]

any news if there going to include the Ise and it sister carrier/BB be a shame if thay didn't as i think thay were the most hunted Japanes BB's in the war (besides the yamato familey)

[AG124]

Nothing on the Ise and Hyuga yet - either the regular BB versions or the Hybrid carrier versions.

The Ise class was in SHI though, and it was the hybrid version of the class.:hmm:

[AG124]

It has now been confirmed that the Balao class will be included in SHIV (presumably as a variant of the Gato class from what the Dev team said earlier).:yep:

[AJ!]

Awsome stuff...

I agree that the merchant variety in SH4 should be a key goal for the Dev team but then again i hope for a huge variety of war ships as well :D

I will be chuffed to bits if they confirm the american Pennsylvania class battleship is in the game. I love the design of that ship :p


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Uss_arizona.jpg

[AG124]

Which version on the Pennsylvania class would you most like to see? The pre-war version, or the modernized post-Pearl Harbour version with the aft tripod cut down?:hmm: I personally think the modernized version would be the most useful.

[MRV]

Which version on the Pennsylvania class would you most like to see? The pre-war version, or the modernized post-Pearl Harbour version with the aft tripod cut down?:hmm: I personally think the modernized version would be the most useful.


Well, since the US are at war in SH4, this would be more accurate ;)

[AG124]

Yes, that would make sense, wouldn't it?:p :lol: Hence, my preferred version.:hmm:

[Wulfmann]

It would seem, and please excuse my simplistic opinion, that any model that can be used for more than one ship would be more useful than a single ship with no sisters (Arizona was not modified) so if I were choosing that might be the very last ship to be included.
If they have exhausted merchant variety and have made most of the Jap stuff and have extra time why not but very low on the priority list compared to targets.

Wulfmann

[_Seth_]

Probably this:

http://www.history-on-cdrom.com/id132.htm Yes it is. I bought both (Japanese merchant & japanese naval vessels) recognition manuals. It isnt that expensive, and i recommend it for those that are interested!:up:

[AG124]

List now updated to include US S-Class Sub.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=103937

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/857101043/m/7651021115/p/2

[rodan54]

Well, I think the Kuma class CL can be added to the roster, and the F4U Corsair should be up there as well.

Also something I noticed on the "new" site, it would seem the vehicle roster has grown a bit. Originally around 75 vehicles was the official statement, now it seems there's to be around 80 ships and 10 planes. :)

[Boris]

Also, only slightly OT, what I just saw on the SH4 website, has me (as a ship painter) absolutely stoked! :D

It seems the devs have gone to great lengths to make SH4 very modder friendly. All ships are multi-skinned by default, but also... can be modded to: change camouflage schemes over time, have multiple skins within these time periods, skins can be varied according to region (pacific, indian ocean etc.), same classes from different nationalities can have separate skins (we can now paint flags on hulls etc.)!

For me this is a godsend! makes me very happy indeed.

[AG124]

@ Boris: :rock::rock::rock:Looks like they are going to make some much needed improvements to SHIV over SHIII after all - these features are unbelievably necessary.:D Although I really, really wish we had had them for SHIII.:cry:

@ rodan54: I will add the Kuma class and the F4U Corsair to the list as well. Could you point out where you saw the Kuma, so I could see her too?:o

[iambecomelife]

Also, only slightly OT, what I just saw on the SH4 website, has me (as a ship painter) absolutely stoked! :D

It seems the devs have gone to great lengths to make SH4 very modder friendly. All ships are multi-skinned by default, but also... can be modded to: change camouflage schemes over time, have multiple skins within these time periods, skins can be varied according to region (pacific, indian ocean etc.), same classes from different nationalities can have separate skins (we can now paint flags on hulls etc.)!

For me this is a godsend! makes me very happy indeed.

OH, YES! :up:

This is crucial - if only this had been in SH3! In order to add hull flags and shipping companies to my mod I'm having to use an awkward cloning system that bloats the filesize - having nationality-assigned skins by default is so much more convenient. Changing the skins on warships is nearly as important - camo measures used between 43-45 were often quite different from the early war schemes.

[rodan54]

@ AG124
http://silenthunter4.us.ubi.com/artwork.php

[CCIP]

I like the fact that the FAQ states that there will be "80 ships of various classes". Not sure what that implies, but that is a rather promising number :)

Oh, and perhaps a more important find in the FAQ: "Changing the structure of the submarine, the way crewmembers act inside the submarine, is much easier now."

Do I smell moddable subs and crew? This could be huge! :o

[iambecomelife]

I like the fact that the FAQ states that there will be "80 ships of various classes". Not sure what that implies, but that is a rather promising number :)

Oh, and perhaps a more important find in the FAQ: "Changing the structure of the submarine, the way crewmembers act inside the submarine, is much easier now."

Do I smell moddable subs and crew? This could be huge! :o

It would also be interesting to try modding the crew ... I hate to quibble about the excellent dev diaries but a disproportionate # of the crew in that last flick seemed to have dark hair and a similar skin tone. Facial structure was excellent & diverse though. It would be interesting to try adding different hair colors, new skin tones, and maybe even blacks & filipinos to represent stewards (who doubled as combat crew during battle IIRC, so it wouldn't be ahistorical to have them at action stations). We also need the men to have those stiffly-parted hairstyles that were so common in the 40's and 50's...

[Boris]

@ AG124
http://silenthunter4.us.ubi.com/artwork.php

Remember that those aren't ingame screenshots but early concept art.

[AG124]

List updated again, in light of recent developments.:cool: However, I know I am missing a couple - if anyone can point out any omissions that I have made, then please do so.:up:

[AJ!]

I like the fact that the FAQ states that there will be "80 ships of various classes".

If thats the case then there will be huge variaty :D

Thats gota be atleast 20 ships for US with would greatly increase the chances of different battleship classes and other ships which unlike SH3 will really make our side stand out.

that would also mean at least 30 different merchants types which is a massive improvment over SH3 :p

[AG124]

BTW - Maybe Neal knows of a few more ships I can add to this list.:hmm: And maybe he would be willing to contribute...:cool:

[Jimbuna]

IMO one of the most beautiful designed warships of the US.....Alaska Class battlecruiser....hope they get an inclusion :rock:

[Barkhorn1x]

IMO one of the most beautiful designed warships of the US.....Alaska Class battlecruiser....hope they get an inclusion :rock:

Nice looking ships yes - but they didn't do a heck of a lot - being completed so late.

Barkhorn.

[Jimbuna]

IMO one of the most beautiful designed warships of the US.....Alaska Class battlecruiser....hope they get an inclusion :rock:

Nice looking ships yes - but they didn't do a heck of a lot - being completed so late.

Barkhorn.

Thar's true but I meant for looks (they sure looked good) :up:

[Phil]

no f4 wildcat or f6 hellcat?

[CCIP]

no f4 wildcat or f6 hellcat?

I'm sure they'll be in. It's just hard to tell at this point, since we've only seen so much...

[SurfnSea]

Okay all those ships are fine. However, the make or break for me is...
Will Seaview be included?

Give me that with Admiral Nelson and Captain Crane and I'll be able to win the Pacific war by dinner time. :p

[THE_MASK]

What other countries had ships in the pacific in WW2 .

[Torplexed]

What other countries had ships in the pacific in WW2 .
Other players beside the USN, British and Japanese include the refugee Dutch Navy in the Netherland East Indies. The Canadian Navy participated in patrolling Alaskan waters. The Royal Thai Navy such as it was assisted the Japanese. Some Free French ships ended up in Australia and New Caledonia. The Soviet Navy out of Vladivostok which was inactive until Stalin declared war. And of course, the gallant Australian And New Zealand Navies. :up: You can throw in the odd German U-Boat and surface raider too.

[THE_MASK]

Lots of ships to be modded by the ship modders then . They will be happy , or maybe not . LOL .

[CCIP]

Lots of ships to be modded by the ship modders then . They will be happy , or maybe not . LOL .

There's never such a thing as 'too many different ships' for the modders :up:
(unless, perhaps, we one day get to the improbable scenario where every one of the thousands of ships in theater has its own unique model :88))

[Tigrone]

I just saw a screen capture of the Diving Station and the Control Room of an S Class boat, has any one seen or can point me to link to an external view of an S boat? You know , I may have seen one and not realized what it was, but I'm pretty sure that I've not seen one yet.:ping:

[Captain Krunch]

Yes, one shows up in the Gamespot video, about 2 minutes in:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6023/vlcsnap00001oo1.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap00001oo1.jpg)

[AJ!]

From the looks of the preview vid the Porpoise-class is included

[StandingCow]

It would be amazing if they either added the ship names, or maybe a mod that would do that..

I would love to see my grandfather's USS Mount Olympus sailing around.

[Sailor Steve]

SH3 was originally intended to have ship names, and this was actually implemented for SH3 Commander, but only when the ships were sunk. I'm sure SH4 will have names for the ships we sink, but know one knows yet if ships will be given names as they sit there. Probably not.

[StandingCow]

SH3 was originally intended to have ship names, and this was actually implemented for SH3 Commander, but only when the ships were sunk. I'm sure SH4 will have names for the ships we sink, but know one knows yet if ships will be given names as they sit there. Probably not.

yea, that would take a LOT of time to have to follow ship logs and put them where they belong when they belong there.

[Barkhorn1x]

Spotted a Tone class CA - in the screenshots thread - page 10 - about 2/3rds of the way down - a Gamespot shot.

Barkhorn.

[rodan54]

Actually that's the Mogami (of the mogami class) after her post midway conversion to a hybrid cruiser/carrier. If you take a look at the forward main battery, she has only three dual 8" guns, the Tone class had four.

[Barkhorn1x]

Actually that's the Mogami (of the mogami class) after her post midway conversion to a hybrid cruiser/carrier. If you take a look at the forward main battery, she has only three dual 8" guns, the Tone class had four.

Got out my copy of "Warships of the Imperial Japanese Navy, 1869-1945" - and, damn, you are right. :oops:

That is an odd choice as it's a one off. it would have been better to do the stock Mogami and then the important Tone class.

Anyone know if you can add ships easily to SHIV?

Barkhorn.

[Boris]

At least as easily as to SH3 I'd expect. Though making them might be harder, what with the physical damage model and higher poly count.

[Barkhorn1x]

At least as easily as to SH3 I'd expect. Though making them might be harder, what with the physical damage model and higher poly count.

Understood.

Thanks,
Barkhorn.

[bookworm_020]

I noticed on the games warehouse that it mention's the Kawanishi aircraft. Could this mean the Kawanishi H8K "Emily" be in the game? It would be a simlar look to the Sunderland already used in SH3. I think someone did a mod of one for the game.

You may want to include it to the list.

Here is a link to the website. It lists it under features.

http://www.gameswarehouse.com.au/longpage.asp?gameid=13990

A little info on the flying boat in question

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawanishi_H8K

[Torpex752]

So they've decreased the number for Silent Hunter 4, from about 90 to about 70.

Let's hope they manage to meet their goal. Ubisoft higher-ups, please give our Romanian buddies all the time they need.

A long time ago there was a petition/"Fix my 688I Campaign" worked up for Sonalyst to come out with a patch for 688I. It did work! Maybe we could pool the power of the posts and create a campaign to petition for what we want after the game is released? ;)

Frank
:cool:

[CCIP]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=106068

BIIIG update list due :up:

16 enemy merchants confirmed...

[Boris]

That's a healthy list of merchants. Far better than the stock SH3 one.

AG, it would be cool if you added all the pics of confirmed ships in your first post.

[CCIP]

Not a big list per se, but I far prefer the classification. I can already tell they listened to the community and did the research more carefully - the tonnage ranges look far better, and there are terms like "old / composite superstructure / european" and so on figuring in the descriptions which ensure that the ground is covered well!

[AG124]

AG, it would be cool if you added all the pics of confirmed ships in your first post.

Yes, that would be a good idea.:yep: However, there would be one problem: I don't think they would all fit in that post, as we are only allowed to have 12 pictures per post, I think.:huh: But I could combine several pictures into a collage of sorts, and then upload that on imageshack - that would count as one picture instead. I will start doing that on Friday.

[AG124]

The list on the first page has now been updated with merchant classes, and a link to their pictures.:yep:

[Boris]

Nieece! Cheers AG :up:

[Jimbuna]

Very handy AG...cheers :up:

[AG124]

Can anyone confirm whether or not there is a South Dakota class BB in one of the new shots from mille-sabords.com? I've updated this list to include the possibility anyway.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=106471

[Barkhorn1x]

What was the number of the shot w/ the SD BB?

Don't forget to add the Buffalo to the US a/c list.

Barkhorn.

[WilhelmSchulz.]

adding a aircraft. F4F Wildcat. :rock:

[Barkhorn1x]

adding a aircraft. F4F Wildcat. :rock:

What shot were they in?

Barkhorn.

[AG124]

I'll take care of those US aircraft. But I was wrong about the South Dakota class BB - I just double checked the shots.:nope:

[Barkhorn1x]

I'll take care of those US aircraft. But I was wrong about the South Dakota class BB - I just double checked the shots.:nope:

Rotten luck. :nope: But we do need a South Dakota class BB - certainly more than we need a pre-Pearl Harbor battlewagon like the New Mexico.

Barkhorn.

[Captain Krunch]

The game is advertised as having "48 marine vessels of the Imperial Japanese navy" and "40 US ships". Yet so far, I only count 29 Japanese ships and 11 American ships listed in the first post, so it seems there are still plenty of ships left to see.

[Barkhorn1x]

The game is advertised as having "48 marine vessels of the Imperial Japanese navy" and "40 US ships". Yet so far, I only count 29 Japanese ships and 11 American ships listed in the first post, so it seems there are still plenty of ships left to see.

I hope you are right here. :up:

Barkhorn.

[rodan54]

I'm pretty sure there's a Mutsuki class DD in the first row second column of the jeuxvideo screenshot link (2nd pg.). Also thought I saw it in the Giga games footage aswell.

[Barkhorn1x]

BTW, not sure there actually were any Wildcats in those shots. What I did see was the Brewster Buffalo fighter - a very odd choice - probably the F2A-3 as that was the main production version in Navy service. All were withdrawn from Navy service and replaced by Wildcats before Pearl Harbor. The poor Marine Corps on the other hand did use the Buffalo in combat - at Midway - they were outclassed and slaughtered. So ended the combat career of the Buffalo in US service.

Barkhorn.

[bookworm_020]

The British had them also. They were based in the Far East, as they couldn't match it in Europe. They managed to get some victories, but were out numbered and couldn't do anything to stop what was happening on the ground.
Some had 2 .50 cal machine guns removed to reduce weight and improve performance whe nit was found out that the Japanese aircraft couldn't take damage as well as American and British aircraft.

BTW Is the "Emily" flying boat going to be added to the possible list for japanese aircraft?????

[Aimbot]

- S Class.
- P class (Porpoise Class).
- Tambor class.
- Salmon class.
- Gato class.
- Balao class. Phew. Five subs. Good to know my inner AD&D tech junky will be sated by lots of different surroundings.

I could have sworn I saw either a dauntless or a hell diver in one of the vids, but I didn't stop to identify it. I'll look for it when I get a chance. Since they want to show several famouse battles you have to think both the Avenger and the Dauntless would be in for midway.

[AG124]

I'm pretty sure there's a Mutsuki class DD in the first row second column of the jeuxvideo screenshot link (2nd pg.). Also thought I saw it in the Giga games footage aswell.

I think you may be right, although the first two shots are blurry and the third one is a closeup of the bow. I will included the Mutsuki class in the list with a question mark for now.:yep:

[Barkhorn1x]

AG;

You need to add the "Pete" to the list of IJN a/c - that sucker is always being blown off the end of the Yamato!

http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/f1m.htm

Barkhorn.

[AG124]

But the issue is whether or not they are actually included as a separate unit - maybe they are just a part of the Yamato (i.e. just a part of the .dat).:hmm: Good observation though.

[AG124]

List updated again, in light of the new preview video which has just been released and which clearly depicts more ships.:o If anyone has any further observations or confirmations, please don't hesitate to post.:up:

[Barkhorn1x]

I'm with on indentifying the US carrier as an Essex class although the funnel shape seems off to me.

[Tigrone]

I took a second look, and that sure looks like the Wasp. I think that's a definite ID.

[Aimbot]

Hellcats on the escort. You can tell because of the landing gear.

Great news on the Essex. I'll definetly have to seek that one out.

[Barkhorn1x]

I took a second look, and that sure looks like the Wasp. I think that's a definite ID.

Good catch dude, that is the Wasp - look at this photo:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020712.jpg
Why model the Wasp? That was a one off if there ever was one. Hope the Ranger doesn't show up. :doh:

[rodan54]

Looked back through the video, and the Japanese fleet carrier near the end is most certainly the Hiryu of the Soryu class. The bow and bridge structure, plus the funnel placement are dead give-a-ways.

Also I could've sworn I saw a SB2-C Helldiver on the deck of the Wasp, but it's not very discernable though, probably just more Avengers. Perhaps someone else could confirm.

[AG124]

Yes, that is definitely the Wasp.:up: And yes, she would not have been my first choice either.:-? But she is there now.

As for the Hiryu, I don't think it is really appropriate to list her as Soryu class, as there were significant differences between the two ships (such as fuel capacity, different tonnages, and islands on opposing sides). Although there can sometimes be minor differences within classes, especially with older ships, I think the differences between these two are such that they can only be considered half-sisters at most.

[Aimbot]

You still need to add the Hellcat AG. It looks a bit like a F2A-3 but the pit is too small and is shaped wrong.

[AG124]

@ Aimbot; it has now been included in place of the Buffalo.:yep:.

[geetrue]

AG124 would have made a great officer of the deck and all of his look outs have done a great job of keeping the enthusiasm of SHIV going for all of these months.

Plus this is almost a sticky it's near the top a lot ... :lol:

Thank you all for your attention to detail ... :up:

[AG124]

@ Geetrue - Thank you.:oops: Of course, it won't be too much longer until the full SHIV roster is revealed to everyone anyway. :know: Not that I'm complaining...:hmm: :cool:

[Barkhorn1x]

Two more for ya - those wallpapers from the German site show:

IJN CA Maya - Takao class
USS CA Northampton - believe that was a class name ship

[Drebbel]

I do not see any Britisch units listed in the initial post of this thread.

According to the PCgamer preview in the Apr-2007 issue there will also be Britisch unites:

"....and over 75 types of U.S., Japanese and Britisch surface ships......."

Drebbel

PS: Don't bother buying the magazine for this SH4 preview article. Anyone who has visited these forums atleast once already knows more about SH4 than what they write in that tiny preview.

[Riggsie15]

I've read this thread and nobody has mentioned anything about other ship classes from other counties. Like i hope that the prince of wales and repules, that sailed out of sinapore and to their deaths, are actually british class ships and not american. Also what about the Australian navy, which fought in most of the major sea battles and island ivasions right along side the americans. And i'm not just talking about coastal sloops, Australia had crusiers which gave a good account for themselves, like HMAS Hobart sacrificeing itself in the defence of the america troop transports off guadalcannal. It wasn't just an American v Japanses affair. Sh3 had many counties with not just British or German classes of ships.

[Barkhorn1x]

I've read this thread and nobody has mentioned anything about other ship classes from other counties.

The devs have stated that there are 80+ classes of ships included. That sounds like a whole lot - but not when you consider all of the different types of ships and classes fielded by the two major navies in the Pacific (US & IJN). I really doubt you will see any Australian or Dutch ships included. As the sim concentrates on the US sub campaign. To include the POW or the Repulse would be a waste IMO, as they were little more than targets for Japanese land based air. In fact, after 1942 the Royal Navy hardly had a presence in the Pacific until 1945 - some minor exceptions not withstanding.

Sorry, I wish they were ALL there as well but that is the reality of the situation.

Hopefully (:hmm: ), new ships can be added. :yep: If not, that would be a MAJOR blunder on the part of the dev. team as we can forgive them for not including everything due to limited resources but, hey, at least allow the modding community to finish the job!

[Subnuts]

Here's two more you can add:
Northampton-class Heavy Cruiser (US)
Maya-class Heavy Cruiser (Japan)

[AG124]

Two more for ya - those wallpapers from the German site show:

IJN CA Maya - Takao class
USS CA Northampton - believe that was a class name ship

Here's two more you can add:
Northampton-class Heavy Cruiser (US)
Maya-class Heavy Cruiser (Japan)

Thanks, but the Takao class CA was one of the first ships I ever added to the list - thus, it is already there.:know: But I will now add the Norhtampton class (and yes, the Northampton was the name ship).

And in response to those wondring about other navies, I think from the statements that the dev team made earlier (some of which have already been included by others here) that we will see a few British and Australian ships. We just haven't seen any yet.

BTW - Neal, if you are reading this, would you mind telling us what ships you saw in your hands-on preview if you are allowed to do so?:hmm:

[Drebbel]

So no Dutch ships in the sim ???? Dang, I sure hope all the operations done bu Dutch ships and Subs will still be in it, but then using US subs.

[AG124]

@ Drebbel - There will be no AI subs of any type in SHIV; either US, Dutch or Japanese. The dev team has been quite clear about this lately.:cry: However, I guess it might be possible that one or two Dutch surface ships might be included, although I don't think any mention of them has been made yet.

[Drebbel]

@ Drebbel - There will be no AI subs of any type in SHIV; either US, Dutch or Japanese.

I know. but I hope there will be Dutch surface units and planes.

The Dutch also did many covert operations from Aussie ports using their submarines so hopefully one can still do those ops from Aussie ports, but then in US subs.

I am talking about operations mainly conducted in the Dutch East Indies (currently Indonesia)

I guess it might be possible that one or two Dutch surface ships might be included

I sure hope so. Atleast a couple of generic boats and planes flying the Dutch colours. I am very hopefull they have included that

[fire-fox]

i dont supose that there's any info about the Shinano

[CCIP]

i dont supose that there's any info about the Shinano

No, but it's highly unlikely that it won't be in - it's too famous and too well-related to the sub war not to be! (besides, having the Yamato hull already in game, the devs would have a good starting point for building it anyway).

I wouldn't worry about any specific ships just yet. Surely not everything will be in, but 88 units is a lot!

[Aimbot]

Great thread, glad I could contribute.

I can't immagine the Shinano being left out, it was one of the most famous victems of submarine attack of all time. I imagine it could be a in campaign special mission. I don't know if I'd have the bullocks of The Archerfish's crew with the four destroyers present.

[rodan54]

I'd be somewhat supprised if any of the major Japanese warships that had any sort of unfortunate brush-in with one of our subs isn't included in the full retail release.

And there's still a good 20 Japanese ships, plus a whole load of US/Allied ships that are still unacounted for.......atleast for the next 6 days. :cool:

[Barkhorn1x]

Great thread, glad I could contribute.

I can't immagine the Shinano being left out, it was one of the most famous victems of submarine attack of all time. I imagine it could be a in campaign special mission. I don't know if I'd have the bullocks of The Archerfish's crew with the four destroyers present.

On the one hand I agree w/ you and CCIP 100% - but on the other - I hate to "waste" one of the 88 "slots" on so many "one-offs". Why model the Wasp when we could have had an Independence class CVL? Why model the Shinano when we could have the Taiyo class. And is it really true that there will be some German shipping taking up valuable "slots"? NOooooo. :stare:

Hey, maybe I'm wrong and there will be enough ship types/classes that we won't even notice any absences - and maybe ships will be easy to add/mod that the whole issue will be moot six months from now anyway.

Here's hopin'. :ping:

[Tigrone]

AG124,
I'm pretty sure I saw a profile model of a Sargo?

Submarines:
- S Class.
- P class (Porpoise Class).
- Tambor class.
- Salmon class.
- Gato class.
- Balao class.

[AG124]

I just saw and responded to your other post in S-Class Sub thread.:up: You are absolutely correct, and the list will now be updated.

[Tigrone]

The new screens up at marinesim.de show a CV and a DD along side in the background. The DD is a single stack fo'c'sle DD, and could be a Sims, but I'm pretty sure it's a Benham DD-397 class. Makes sense, as Benham was lost at Guadalcanal.

The CV is seen from the starboard quarter, and It is hard to tell at that angle, but I don't think the stack looks quite like the Wasp.

http://www.marinesims.de/site/silent-hunter-4/silent-hunter-4-preview-anfang-nachster-woche.html

Well, it looks like the first retail deliveries are taking place in Europe, and we should know the full list of ships in the next couple of days. Thank you AG124 for keeping this thread for us. ANTICIPATION!

[AG124]

You're welcome.:up: And I am going to keep it going until the day of release too.

I just checked out the two new shots with the US surface ships in them - the carrier one worked at first, but now it won't load.:shifty: I did get a quick look at it though - it might be the Wasp again but I think you are right. It looks like it might be a different carrier - I would say Yorktown class. I am pretty sure its not Lexington or Essex class though.

As for the DD, I would say it was Sims class myself. However, it really could be Somers or Benson class as well - I would choose Benson of the two.:doh: I will add the three classes with a question mark to the thread, as at least one of them can be confirmed as another class in SHIV.:know:

[CCIP]

If you wish to trust an icky source, on a guy on a Russian forum posted the list and some screenies - but you can assume it wasn't a legal version of the game :down:

Here's the breakdown:

US

Submarines:
Balao, Gar, Gato, Porpoise, S-Class, Salmon, Sargo, Tambor

Aircraft:
Long Range Bomber, Dive Bomber, Torpedo Plane, Fighter, Search Plane
(? - no idea what these are, I guess they're generic? Maybe the licensing issue again, like what happened with Pacific Fighters? I hope they're at least accurate :shifty:)

Ships:
BB
Iowa, New Mexico, North Carolina

CV
Early War Fleet (?), Bogue, Casablanca
(doesn't sound too impressive)

CA
Baltimore, Northampton

CL
Brooklyn, Cleveland, Omaha

DD
Fletcher, Clemson, Somers, Buckley, JC Butler
(not one new one! ah well, I guess not that important...)

Others:
Armed Trawler
LST
Troop Ship
T3 (our good old SHIII tanker?)
Coastal Composite Freight
Liberty
Small Split Freight
Victory
Sub Tender (oh, cool!)
Fishing Boat
Trawler
Tug

Japan

No subs

Aircraft
Val, Kate, Zero, Pete, H6K, H8K

Ships:

BB
Fuso
Ise (2 versions - what does that mean?)
Kongo
Yamato

CV
Hiryu, Shokaku, Taiho, Akitsu, Chitose, Taiyo
(again, an unimpressive list - and notoriously, Shinano not there! :dead:)

CA
Furutaka, Maya, Mogami, Takao

CL
Agano, Kuma, Naka

DD
Akizuki, Asashio, Fubuki, Minekaze, Mitsuki, Shiratsuyu

Other
Minelayer
Minesweeper
Gunboats (2)
Subchaser

(I guess the smaller escort craft make up for the relatively few different escort types)

And the merchants, which we already know.

I guess overall it sounds so-so. Some areas I think are still lacking!

Anyone with a real copy of the game - please confirm or add!

[hyperion2206]

@CCIP: You mention a 'Gar' class sub and I never heard of that one.:o Could you please fill me in about it?:D

[malkuth74]

@CCIP: You mention a 'Gar' class sub and I never heard of that one.:o Could you please fill me in about it?:D

Found this with a quick search.

http://www.valoratsea.com/Tambor.htm

[AG124]

Well, some aspects of that list are very disappointing - especially the Japanese carriers. Good selection of Japanese cruisers though, and some other categories are satisfactory for now. I still hope more can be added later though.

Here is a my opinion on some of those categories:

US BBs - Alright, but one or two more older ones would have been good.

US CV's - ?

US CA - sufficient, but would have liked New Orleans class.

US CLs - sufficient.

US DDs - sufficient.

Others - very good selection.

Japanese BBs - 4/5 with two Ise variants is fine.:up:

Japanese CVs - poor selection.:down: There was no "Akitsu" class in RL either.:-? Maybe a mistake.

Japanese CAs - good selection.:up:

Japanese CL's - sufficient.

Japanese DDs - good selection.:up:

Others - good selection.

Merchants - very, very good selection (already knew this though).:up::up:

Coastal Craft - ?

Ise (2 versions - what does that mean?)

The Ise class was converted to a class of hybrid carrier/battleships in 1943 - I guess both the original and CVB versions have been included.

I will wait for a confirmed legitimate copy of the game to emerge, before confirming this list though.

BTW - CCIP, did that guy mention what coastal merchant classes were included with the game - they weren't mentioned in the earlier merchant announcement.

[Jimbuna]

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08206.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Gar_(SS-206)

http://www.rddesigns.com/subs/206.html

http://warships.web4u.cz/lode.php?language=E&stat=USA&typ=SS&trida=Gar

[hyperion2206]

@malkuth74 and jimbuna: Thanx for the links, I really thought I knew every subs class.;) Does anybody know for sure that this class will be included?

[Jimbuna]

@malkuth74 and jimbuna: Thanx for the links, I really thought I knew every subs class.;) Does anybody know for sure that this class will be included?

Your welcome h...sorry I don't know the answer to your question though :arrgh!:

[CCIP]

BTW - CCIP, did that guy mention what coastal merchant classes were included with the game - they weren't mentioned in the earlier merchant announcement.
No idea. It was more or less just a list with a few screens - I saw a few that looked like ports from SHIII, like the T3, what looked like the SHIII German raider, and same fishing boats but with new (rather cool looking) skins. :hmm:

Of other ships, there was also mention of two Sampans and some sort of small recon vessel?

[edit] oh, and I can't link to that forum since it's on an abandonware site run by a friend of mine, and that's looked down on by subsim policy...

[rodan54]

There was no "Akitsu" class in RL either. The Akitsu Marus (Akitsu, and Nigitsu) were actually real ships, and they were both sunk by our submarines.

"Merchant ships acquired, converted and operated by the Army as minimal aircraft carriers to support amphibious operations in the Western Pacific and East Indies. They were intended to assist in the defense of amphibious convoys, transport aircraft to landing areas, and fly aircraft off for defensive and assault-support roles. They could fly off conventional aircraft but not land them, however, they did operated autogyros, which could land aboard. Little is known about these ships service histories."

"Converted passenger liners, taken over before completion. An extremely simple conversion. A lightweight, relatively short flight deck was built above the hull, on top of the superstructure. There was no hangar, but aircraft could be stored below the flight deck on the original main deck. The funnels and bridge were relocated to the starboard side, and several small cranes were fitted. There was no arresting gear. They retained their original cargo capabilities."

Taken from: http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/

[moosenoodles]

The Gar class is featured Hyperion... and apparently its available in 1941 the earliest I believe you can start career etc.. Im told it starts you off in dec 1941 if you choose the Gar class..

cheers,

Moose..

[Tigrone]

I think the lack of even one enemy submarine, as surface target, is really bad. Subs were very vulnerable to torpedo attack by other subs, as they travelled alone and are relatively slow. Many Japanese subs were sunk by US Submarines; they were major targets.

[AG124]

@ rodan54 - "Akitsu" class was mentioned in that list under carriers - I meant that there was no Akitsu class CV in WWII.;)

[hyperion2206]

@malkuth74 and jimbuna: Thanx for the links, I really thought I knew every subs class.;) Does anybody know for sure that this class will be included?
Your welcome h...sorry I don't know the answer to your question though :arrgh!:

That does not surprise me!:p:rotfl:

[CCIP]

Here, I copied two of pictures of the more suspect ships - judge for yourself :hmm:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p301/myspb2006/achi.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p301/myspb2006/aki.jpg

[Takao]

The Akitsu Maru looks very close to the line drawings I have seen of her.

The Chitose looks very good too, a representation of her while she was a seaplane carrier. She would be converted into a "traditional" aircraft carrier in 1943.


My Question is "Why include the Maya?" Granted she was sunk by USS Dace...But she is a one-time late war modification of the Takao class, I sooner would have seen 4 Myokos.

[NefariousKoel]

If you wish to trust an icky source, on a guy on a Russian forum posted the list and some screenies - but you can assume it wasn't a legal version of the game :down:

CV
Early War Fleet (?), Bogue, Casablanca
(doesn't sound too impressive)



Those weren't true bigtop carriers. They were little Escort carriers, CVEs.

That's why they didn't ring a bell much. ;)

[AG124]

I see why the Akitsu class was included now - they have classified aircraft transports as CVEs.:yep: As far as I know, Japanese aircraft transports like this were never used as CVEs though and never launched very many (if any) aircraft.:-?

The top one is the Seaplane Tender version of the Chitose class, which I saw in another shot about a week ago (although this is a much better picture).:up:

CCIP - Do you have any more pictures to share?:o

[akdavis]

I believe I saw a PBY Catalina in the new "launch" video.

[AG124]

S-42 Class Sub to be included now too.:yep: Also, I will add the PBY to the list as possible.

Tomorrow, when I finally get the game, I will present a full list and hopefully screenshots of every ship (if I get time).

[Barkhorn1x]

Tomorrow, when I finally get the game, I will present a full list and hopefully screenshots of every ship (if I get time).

You da man!!! :up:

[AG124]

Just watched one of the preview videos Neal has made - there are definitely US T3 Tankers and LSTs in the game as well - they were in the recognition manual.:yep:

[irishred]

For the Brits and Aussies theres also a Kent class cruiser...love to see that in SH3...

[TriskettheKid]

There was a Gar-class submarine? Or do we get the actual Tambor-class USS Gar?

And where's the Tench-class love? We got the Type XXI in SH3, why not the Tench in SH4?

[Tigrone]

There was a Gar-class submarine? Or do we get the actual Tambor-class USS Gar?

And where's the Tench-class love? We got the Type XXI in SH3, why not the Tench in SH4?

The first group of Tambors all had names with T. The next group ordered of vertually identical boats was sometimes called the Gar class, and the boat's names began with G after the lead boat. Today they are usually included with the Tambors, as a single class.

The Tenches did not appear till late 44 and did not reach the war theater till 45. They did good lifeguard work, but were too late to make many war patrols, though your point about the XXI is well taken. Some Tenches did make active patrols and did score some kills.

[Tigrone]

I may be seeing double, or it could be an optical error but we may have a Wasp's nest to get used to:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l55/Diela_Sassinak/sh42007-03-2114-32-43-46.jpg

I'm sure you've all seen the Lancasters? I think we may be in Wolkenkuckkucksheim, as our German friends in the other ocean might say.

[bookworm_020]

Can someone who has got the game please post a full list of ships and aircraft. Then the rest of us still waiting can see whats in the game.:yep:

Thanks:up:

[hyperion2206]

I haven't seen the ship yet but the recognition manual states that the US use Fiji class light cruisers.:doh:

[joea]

I haven't seen the ship yet but the recognition manual states that the US use Fiji class light cruisers.:doh:

:damn:

[hyperion2206]

The recognition manual only list the old Clemson destroyers, no other destroyers are listed. They have the Buckley class and the Evarts clas DEs however.

[AG124]

Now I finally got a copy of the game - at EB games around 2:20 this afternoon. However, my worthless Intel 945G chipset on my laptop will not run the game - I can't even look at the museum.:cry::cry::cry: I will have to wait until I go home in late April to run the game on one of my desktops - my best one will support the game.

Anyway, I can see the game files in the SHIV directory, of course. ;) Thus, I have finalized the ship list, including the two Japanese subs included with patch 1.1. Considering the time limits the dev team was under, and the high quality of the models, I am pleased with almost every aspect of the roster assignment. However, I really believe that both the US and Japan are severely lacking in carriers.:nope:

Now for the ship modding to begin. There is already some progress under the SHIV modding forum...:hmm:

[joea]

Now for the ship modding to begin. There is already some progress under the SHIV modding forum...:hmm:

Airplane modding too please. :shifty:

[CCIP]

If you mean the Lancaster, I don't see why we couldn't just bring SHIIIs Liberator back instead of it.

Or other planes for that matter, including hopefully the GWX aircraft!

[AG124]

Airplane modding too please. :shifty:

Yes, there should be some new aircraft too.:know: I imagine there will be some modders who will add some later.

[Gunner]

Wahoooo! Phoned EB games Vancouver Canada at 3:00 PM and they had 4 copies, I told my boss I had to go home, raced over and snagged a copy, a case of beer and it'd be my birthday today, life just doesn't get any better :up: Just got in the door and load'n game

[AG124]

Just be careful - you -probably won't get any bonus materials.:nope: Of course that might be true at any Canadian retailer.

[bookworm_020]

Wahoooo! Phoned EB games Vancouver Canada at 3:00 PM and they had 4 copies, I told my boss I had to go home, raced over and snagged a copy, a case of beer and it'd be my birthday today, life just doesn't get any better :up: Just got in the door and load'n game

What a way to have your birthday:rock:

Rember Drink Drive your sub and you will soon hear a glug, glug, glug!:yep::rotfl::rotfl:

[iambecomelife]

For the Brits and Aussies theres also a Kent class cruiser...love to see that in SH3...

One of the SH3 ship modders (Jerome73?) has already released a 3-stack cruiser for SH3; check the new ship mods thread for it.

By and large I'm satisfied with the unit roster. The diversity of US warships is adequate, with the exception of some of the heavy units (more old battleships and a better carrier selection would have been nice). To a certain extent I understand why the carriers sunk at Midway were not included - each was unique looking and would have required a lot of modeling work - moreover, they were sunk relatively early in the war by carrier-based aircraft. I appreciate the developers' efforts to add a more reasonable merchant selection.

As was the case with SH3, the developers made a few bizarre choices with regards to unit selection. I think the Buffalo is America's only fighter - why not include a Wildcat or P-40 instead of a plane that would be completely obsolete by early '42? Also, having an Avro Lancaster as the main US bomber is totally mystifying - I mean, it's almost as out of place in this theater as a Sopwith Camel or an F-15. :roll: Having the P-38 in SH3 was a little odd but at least it was a European theater aircraft - this gaffe with the Lancaster in SH4 takes the cake.
The "Maya" did not need to be included as a separate unit because she was part of the "Takao" class. It would probably have been simple for a modder to add a Takao with one less 8-inch turret that was scripted to appear in 1944.

Units I would like to see modded in or patched in:

Atlanta Class CL
New Orleans Class CA
Lexington Class CV
Yorktown Class CV
Essex Class CV
King George V class BB
Leander Class CL
Fast transport (converted four-stacker)

Tone Class CA
Several classes of "Sea Truck" for the Japanese (common light freighters)
Daihatsu (barges)

P-40
P-51
PBM Mariner
F4F
F6F
B-24
B-29

[rodan54]

The King George V class is there, unless I'm seeing things. :doh:

Besides the unfortunate omission of the Shinano and Akagi, the one thing that irks me the most regarding the IJN ship rooster is the Mogami class. I would've preferred to have have her, and the rest of her class, as she was originally built, without that silly little flight deck. Hopefully that one shouldn't be too hard to mod though.

[Gunner]

Just be careful - you -probably won't get any bonus materials.:nope: Of course that might be true at any Canadian retailer.

Arrrggh! ye have the right of that mate! Another broken promise , life is full of em,think'n I'd be taking that frustration out on sink'n some Jap ships:arrgh!:

[Tigrone]

I've not seen her yet. I will look around.

All the carriers at Midway were Yorktowns--Yorktown, Enterprise and Hornet--the same class. And that class is probably the most important, for during the first full year they were the first team, and, at times, the only ones in action. We really need them in the game. Enterprise survived the war and was in nearly every battle.

We got the Wasp, which was a small odd fill-in (a dingbat really). Wasp did good service, but she as a small one-off. We need a CV representing a major class if there is only to be one modeled.

[AG124]

@ Iambecomelife - I agree with most at you said, except the King George V is actually included in the game. In addition to the Japanese ships you listed, I would have also liked to see the Zuiho class CVL, the Junyo class CVL, the Shinano, and a Juyusen class Coastal Tanker. The following ships would have been nice too, but aren't essential to me: Whale Factory Ship, Myoko class CA, and one more class of CL (either Tenryu, Yubari, or Oyodo, but not Katori or Nagara).

On the US side, I too think it was kind of unusual to have the Wasp chosen to represent the entire US pre-war carrier fleet. My guess is, the dev team planned to build several US carriers, and started with the Wasp but ran out of time before getting any others completed. Due to time restraints and such, I could survive without the Lexington class, but would have really liked the Yorktown and Essex classes. As for the BBs, I am satisfied with the selection we got, although a Tennessee or Colorado class would have been nice I guess. Same with the CAs and CLs - if I could have one more though, I would choose the New Orleans and Atlanta classes respectively. Only the CVs seem really unsatisfactory to me though - along with the lack of promised bonus materials in the package :damn: :stare:.

[Barkhorn1x]

OK - after looking at all the US a/c - and taking into account UBI history w/ IL-2 and US a/c - I figured out the deal. I'ts simple really...to avoid ANY conflict over copyright infringement they went w/ generic models to represent these a/c;

- The long range bomber is a Lancaster - and not a B-24
- The DB is a "generic looking" Curtiss Helldiver *
- The TB is the same as the DB
- The fighter is a "generic looking Brewster Buffalo *

* both from defunct companies that could not sue.

The Japanese a/c are not generic and are nicely modeled.

So...the modders will need to fill in the blanks here. I like Iambecomelife's list - that would do nicely.

[tater]

Odd that the only US DD is a ww1 type, not one of the larger types that we literally built hundreds of during the war.

[AG124]

Odd that the only US DD is a ww1 type, not one of the larger types that we literally built hundreds of during the war.

But there are three classes of US DD in the game - including the 1930s-era Somers class and the mass-produced Fletcher class (in addition to the old Clemson class you mentioned).:-? I think you may have overlooked these.

[iambecomelife]

The King George V class is there, unless I'm seeing things. :doh:

Besides the unfortunate omission of the Shinano and Akagi, the one thing that irks me the most regarding the IJN ship rooster is the Mogami class. I would've preferred to have have her, and the rest of her class, as she was originally built, without that silly little flight deck. Hopefully that one shouldn't be too hard to mod though.

I stand corrected - someone posted a screenshot of the KGV in a vehicle preview menu.

Oh, and did I mention that this Lancaster thing is driving me crazy? :stare: If licensing was the problem they could do what racing sim developers do all the time: create a near-exact likeness of a vehicle, give it an original name (B-2400 Disintegrator or whatever instead of B-24 Liberator) and let the modders correct the name - voila. After a little text editing you've got a historically correct aircraft.

[akdavis]

As was the case with SH3, the developers made a few bizarre choices with regards to unit selection. I think the Buffalo is America's only fighter - why not include a Wildcat or P-40 instead of a plane that would be completely obsolete by early '42? Also, having an Avro Lancaster as the main US bomber is totally mystifying - I mean, it's almost as out of place in this theater as a Sopwith Camel or an F-15. :roll: Having the P-38 in SH3 was a little odd but at least it was a European theater aircraft - this gaffe with the Lancaster in SH4 takes the cake.

I think the exclusion of the B-24, and others, was intentional. Certainly, I saw both B-24s and a PBY in released videos. They were removed for some reason. (I have my suspicions...)

[tater]

Odd that the only US DD is a ww1 type, not one of the larger types that we literally built hundreds of during the war.

But there are three classes of US DD in the game - including the 1930s-era Somers class and the mass-produced Fletcher class (in addition to the old Clemson class you mentioned).:-? I think you may have overlooked these.

I was basing it on the guide to ships the game came with. Sorry if they shipped with an incomplete guide. <S>

tater

[AG124]

Don't worry about it - Ubisoft seems to make mistakes like that quite often. For example, it seems they did not ship bonus materials for Canadians like they promised.:shifty: As some of you may have noticed by now, I am displeased about that...:cool: