The "What do you think of Gizzmoes moderating" POLL!

[Sir Big Jugs]

Please do vote. I don't see a reason to lock this, it's peoples honest opinion on the topic. Your vote will be anonymous.

EDIT:
I won't vote yet since the first person to enter here will know what I voted, I'm voting later.

[The Avon Lady]

I voted "keelhaul him" because girls just wanna have fun! :-j

[Gizzmoe]

Pointless poll. I know that some people think that I´m not doing enough, some think I´m doing it just right and some think that I´m overmoderating the forum. Some want to see more censorship, some less, some none at all.

It´s almost impossible for a moderator to take the public opinion into account (even the praises), the opinions are too varied. Feedback is important, I do note those opinions, and I discuss certain aspects with Neal. He´s my best critic, and ultimately it is only his opinion that counts for me.

[Gizzmoe]

I voted "keelhaul him" because girls just wanna have fun! :-j

:lol:

[kiwi_2005]

Well imagine a board such as one i visit where their are no such thing as moderators the posters are the moderators if you dont like a post, 10 ppl must vote it off before it gets deleted, trouble is you have no choice but to make friends and join a group - then it gets really silly as its group versus group, then the arguments flood in on who voted who off. Then it gets real nasty, the pro westeners will vote of the pro muslims and vis versa and then theirs us in the middle that just want to post! ACtually i only go their cause its a well known trading site in NZ the guy who started up TradeMe 8 yrs ago on his own, programmed his own site had to borrow money to start, sold it last yr for 700million to voda. Hes 28 yrs old and 700million richer! :o We all thought maybe Voda will bring on moderators but its still the same.

Give me moderators anyday!

[SkvyWvr]

I voted "OK". Truth is, if your not willing to take on the job, you shouldn't complain how someone else does it. I'm sure it's quite time consuming. I wouldn't want to do it. It would take away too much beer time.:()1:

[StdDev]

I voted "I'd rather see him more... (please post suggestions!!!) "
I wanna see a picture of Gizz wearing a sundress while singing showtunes!
my suggestion is "Oklahoma"! :o

[danlisa]

I've just voted for 'He's the best....'

Obviously, I am trying to dig myself out of a hole. Posted a reply in one of his threads when I was in one of my 'funny' moods. Not sure if he'll see the funny side.

Dan

[Gizzmoe]

I've just voted for 'He's the best....'

Obviously, I am trying to dig myself out of a hole. Posted a reply in one of his threads when I was in one of my 'funny' moods. Not sure if he'll see the funny side.
Smart move, that vote has saved you from being banned. :yep: :-j

[SubSerpent]

What is the point of this thread? I thought Gizzmoe stated that public voting and opinion of his moderating was not allowed unless done via PM.

This means that we should not do public polls on him and that we should continue to send the nasty secret messages about him behind his back to one another. :p

[Gizzmoe]

I thought Gizzmoe stated that public voting and opinion of his moderating was not allowed unless done via PM.
That´s right, but I can make exceptions.

[waste gate]

I thought Gizzmoe stated that public voting and opinion of his moderating was not allowed unless done via PM.
That´s right, but I can make exceptions.

Perhaps that's the problem. The capriciousness leaves folks wondering. An example is the question in another thread;
is there a list of currently available topics any where..? is this topic a currently available topic....for example http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=99836

A thought.

[SubSerpent]

I thought Gizzmoe stated that public voting and opinion of his moderating was not allowed unless done via PM.
That´s right, but I can make exceptions.

That would be considered "favortism" by most Gizzmoe. :down:

If Waste Gate started this thread then you would have locked it or banned him or even both. That's not cool! :nope:


It's like a Sadaam rulership around here at SubSim. :down:

Yes, you can vote. However, it better be to Gizzmoe's liking. :down:

Example:



I've just voted for 'He's the best....'

Obviously, I am trying to dig myself out of a hole. Posted a reply in one of his threads when I was in one of my 'funny' moods. Not sure if he'll see the funny side.

Smart move, that vote has saved you from being banned. :yep:



You can start a thread, but if it's not to Gizzmoe's liking then it will be locked and the poster will be banned. :down:

Freedom of speech here at SubSim = What Gizzmoe will allow you to state and not what the forum rules do and don't specify. :down:

[SubSerpent]

I see lots of "Keelhaul" votes against Gizzmoe. This is amazing! The truth is finally being told. I'm willing to bet some of the more positive votes were casts by people too afraid to go against his dictatorship, oops, I mean't moderatorship! :roll:

[August]

I think you guys need to get off Gizzmoes back. He's doing a fine job, especially compared to other sites.

If he gets pissed off and quits, then i'm volunteering and believe me you don't want that... :yep:

[danlisa]

That was my post and I think you have mis-quoted Gizzmoe. His reply ended in...:-j

I think this indicated that he was joking.

If you are going to use what someone said as an argument, I feel that it's only proper to quote correctly otherwise it might be seen to be editing something to be bias to your point of view.

[SubSerpent]

That was my post and I think you have mis-quoted Gizzmoe. His reply ended in...:-j

I think this indicated that he was joking.

Yes, but we all knew he wasn't joking, so I think I quoted him correctly! :yep:

Remember the JOKING emotioncon came AFTER the YEP emotioncon!

[kiwi_2005]

well i voted to keelhaul him only cause im a funny guy:D Anyways gizzmoe ok in my books and i know if i slip up he'll definatley sort me out:lol: :arrgh!:

[SubSerpent]

I think you guys need to get off Gizzmoes back. He's doing a fine job, especially compared to other sites.

If he gets pissed off and quits, then i'm volunteering and believe me you don't want that... :yep:


Same to you! You would be the FIRST on my BAN list! Hehehehehe! :p

[August]

I think you guys need to get off Gizzmoes back. He's doing a fine job, especially compared to other sites.

If he gets pissed off and quits, then i'm volunteering and believe me you don't want that... :yep:

Same to you! You would be the FIRST on my BAN list! Hehehehehe! :p

Moderators don't ban people. They recommend them to the admin (Neal) who actually does the deed.

[danlisa]

That was my post and I think you have mis-quoted Gizzmoe. His reply ended in...:-j

I think this indicated that he was joking.

Yes, but we all knew he wasn't joking, so I think I quoted him correctly! :yep:

Remember the JOKING emotioncon came AFTER the YEP emotioncon!

I see what you are saying, however, without being patronizing a quote is defined as.... To quote is to repeat something from another source without changing it

[SubSerpent]

Looks like Gizzmoe is running a G.W. Bush election here. He's losing in the popular vote but will somehow be able to go on as the Moderator for this forum! :nope:


I honestly don't want Gizzmoe to go. I'd rather Neal just castrate his power away and Barney Fife him.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2c/Barney-Fife.jpg/180px-Barney-Fife.jpg
Gizzmoe

[SubSerpent]

That was my post and I think you have mis-quoted Gizzmoe. His reply ended in...:-j

I think this indicated that he was joking.

Yes, but we all knew he wasn't joking, so I think I quoted him correctly! :yep:

Remember the JOKING emotioncon came AFTER the YEP emotioncon!

I see what you are saying, however, without being patronizing a quote is defined as.... To quote is to repeat something from another source without changing it

I didn't change it. I just left something out. Reporters do it all the time! :yep:

[Gizzmoe]

Subserpent, you were already suspended thrice. waste gate, you twice. Instead of shutting up and being glad that we haven´t permanently banned you yet you post this nonsense.

I give people the opportunity to publically discuss issues they have with me and you two don´t seem to appreciate that at all! :down:

[SubSerpent]

Subserpent, you were already suspended thrice. waste gate, you twice. Instead of shutting up and being glad that we haven´t permanently banned you yet you post this nonsense.

I give people the opportunity to publically discuss issues they have with me and you two don´t seem to appreciate that at all! :down:

We are discussing issues about you. Just issues that you don't like to see/hear. :smug:

[Gizzmoe]

Moderators don't ban people. They recommend them to the admin (Neal) who actually does the deed.
No, Neal gave me the right to suspend or permanently ban people. I then need to report why I did that. That´s the way it works on many boards.

[SubSerpent]

Moderators don't ban people. They recommend them to the admin (Neal) who actually does the deed.
No, Neal gave me the right to suspend or permanently ban people. I then need to report why I did that. That´s the way it works on many boards.


Is it a RIGHT to you?:hmm:

or

A PRIVILEGE? :hmm:

[Gizzmoe]

We are discussing issues about you. Just issues that you don't like to see/hear. :smug:

What you are doing can´t be called "discussing", these are just tirades.

[Gizzmoe]

Is it a RIGHT to you?:hmm:

or

A PRIVILEGE? :hmm:
It´s a right, it´s part of the job and not unusual that moderators can do that. And Neal makes sure that I can´t misuse that right.

[NeonSamurai]

<thinks we should ban everyone, that will fix it> :D

I will say this though, moderators here are not chosen by their popularity on the forum (this isnt a democracy last i checked). They are chosen by Neal for their demenor, attitude, reliability and behavior.

Gizzmoe is a moderator here because he is all of that, he is also usualy very fair in his decisions (we can all have bad days of course).

He is also moderating one of the toughest parts of subsim frankly, where personality, belief and political views are constantly clashing and then tend to get ugly. Not to mention the high volume of posts here. Also he is a volenteer, he donates his time in an attempt to maintain the high standards here at Subsim and not let things spiral out of countrol.

If you have an issue with how things are done here, you have 2 options, discuss it with Neal, or go somewhere else.

Cant we all play nice?

[danlisa]

How is it that Sir Big Jugs aka Chokersandwich aka CV-707 etc has this unique talent of putting the cat amongst the pigeons?

[SubSerpent]

We are discussing issues about you. Just issues that you don't like to see/hear. :smug:

What you are doing can´t be called "discussing", these are just tirades.


This is wrong Gizzmoe.

I am not mad at you.

I don't like the way you mod. You show favortism and flex your power way too often. You do this to instill fear into people not to post discussion that you don't find favorable in the future. This is wrong. You view each and every post or thread as if they are written against you or to you directly. This is wrong.

And this is the thread about YOU and people have been asked by the thread creator to discuss their concerns about you. This IS the appropriate forum and you yourself admitted to me that you allow exceptions so this thread MUST be that exception for all of us to put in our two cents about your modding ability.

Don't blame Waste Gate or me for that matter. Neither of us started this thread. We are just discussing in the thread that you thus far have allowed.

There have been no forum rules broken except for the fact that you are allowing this thread to go unlocked because you stated you allow this thread as an exception.

Now as soon as you see negative feedback against your modding ability you state you are mad and threaten to ban the ones that state anything negative about your modding ability. This is censorship and this must not go on with you!

[waste gate]

Subserpent, you were already suspended thrice. waste gate, you twice. Instead of shutting up and being glad that we haven´t permanently banned you yet you post this nonsense.

I give people the opportunity to publically discuss issues they have with me and you two don´t seem to appreciate that at all! :down:

And now the threats. BTW you suspended me (15 OCT 06) for publicly questioning your views and actions. But first you deleted my posts. So you are mistaken.

[Sir Big Jugs]

How is it that Sir Big Jugs aka Chokersandwich aka CV-707 etc has this unique talent of putting the cat amongst the pigeons?
I'm unique.:-j

[SubSerpent]

Is it a RIGHT to you?:hmm:

or

A PRIVILEGE? :hmm:
It´s a right, it´s part of the job and not unusual that moderators can do that. And Neal makes sure that I can´t misuse that right.


I would say it is a privilege since Neal CHOSE you for the job. Rights can't be taken away, but privileges can.

[Sir Big Jugs]

Gizzmoe, you previously stated that
" No, Neal gave me the right to suspend or permanently ban people."
Do the other moderators have this privilige too?
Just wondering.
Btw, I've voted now.

[NeonSamurai]

I hate to break it to you but we do censor posts here. Anything that breaks the rules here will be removed. Its part of maintaining what subsim is.

I suggest you read our FAQ & Rules section specificly


What are Subsim.com's editorial policies?

The Radio Room forum is not the place for flaming, spewing, or otherwise mouthing off. We do not allow posts where people are called idiots, morons, etc. We respect your freedom of speech, we ask that you respect our rules. You are welcome to express your opinion about games and other subjects. We do not want SUBSIM Review and the Radio Room forums to degenerate into a collection of *This game sux!!!!* and other immature rants. Like something or dislike something about a game, express your thoughts in reasoned and responsible terms. There are any number of forums which allow unbridled idiocy to reign, we want the Radio Room to be a civil, mature forum for discussions about naval and subsims, tactics, mods, playing tips, troubleshooting, and submarine topics in general. As such, we retain the right to edit and/or delete posts we find offensive. We also have the right to ban users who contribute to poisoning the well. Just as a radio talk host has the right to decide who he airs and a newspaper editor decides whose letters he prints and whose he throws away, the moderators in the Radio Room forums have final say on rants and spews they decide should be cut.


What role do Subsim forum moderators play?

Subsim forums allow a wide range of discussion freedom but there are limits. Moderators volunteer to see that the forums do not descend into chaos and anarchy and that the rules are adhered to. Members should not publicly attack a Moderator or intentionally undermine a Moderator's actions by baiting or harrassing him. It is okay for a member to publicly ask a Moderator why an admonishment was issued or why a post was censored. Do not seek to argue endlessly over it.
If a member wishes to challenge a Moderator action that involves the member, this challenge must be raised in private via PM or email, not in public.

As for banning, all moderators can recommend someone for banning, a few can also ban directly. At least thats what i understand

[The Avon Lady]

Moderators don't ban people. They recommend them to the admin (Neal) who actually does the deed.
No, Neal gave me the right to suspend or permanently ban people. I then need to report why I did that. That´s the way it works on many boards.


Is it a RIGHT to you?:hmm:

or

A PRIVILEGE? :hmm:
Maybe it's a pleasure. :hmm:

:p

[SubSerpent]

Moderators don't ban people. They recommend them to the admin (Neal) who actually does the deed.
No, Neal gave me the right to suspend or permanently ban people. I then need to report why I did that. That´s the way it works on many boards.


Is it a RIGHT to you?:hmm:

or

A PRIVILEGE? :hmm:
Maybe it's a pleasure. :hmm:

:p


Maybe you're right! :lol:

[SUBMAN1]

WHat is the point of this thread? It matters not what you think of Gizzmoe and his moderating abilities. Though all of us probably have had issue with one thing or another that Gizzmoe has done, for the most part he is doing a decent job and from what I understand, this is not a democracy. I refuse to vote in the poll.

Just my 2 cents as always.

-S

[Gizzmoe]

I would say it is a privilege since Neal CHOSE you for the job. Rights can't be taken away, but privileges can.

Hairsplitting.

Do the other moderators have this privilige too?

I don´t know.

[SubSerpent]

I vote for Sir Big Jugs to replace Gizzmoe! :up:



Gizzmoe obviously let Sir Big Jugs run this poll and this thread and now the table has turned on Gizzmoe. Since Sir Big Jugs was the thread creator I am all in favor of him and his cunning ability to lead this forum as its moderator. :up:

[Gizzmoe]

BTW you suspended me (15 OCT 06) for publicly questioning your views and actions. But first you deleted my posts.

The post that got you suspended is still there.

So you are mistaken.

Neal and I think different about that.

[August]

Moderators don't ban people. They recommend them to the admin (Neal) who actually does the deed.
No, Neal gave me the right to suspend or permanently ban people. I then need to report why I did that. That´s the way it works on many boards.

Maybe so but not the two I moderate. Personally i'm happy with that arrangment

[fredbass]

WHat is the point of this thread? It matters not what you think of Gizzmoe and his moderating abilities. Though all of us probably have had issue with one thing or another that Gizzmoe has done, for the most part he is doing a decent job and from what I understand, this is not a democracy. I refuse to vote in the poll.

Just my 2 cents as always.

-S

Well I did vote, not that the choices were that logical and you're right, it doesn't really matter. I suppose if a good portion of people in this forum were against any moderator, then things would probably change. Remember, we are all basically a member of a PRIVATE club. Sometimes life is unfair. Shoot (substitute oo with i) happens. :know:

[danlisa]

I vote for Sir Big Jugs to replace Gizzmoe! :up:

:rotfl: (at least I hope you were joking)

I can't even imagine what it would be like if Sir Big Jugs was a mod (no diss mate;) ). Well, at least anyone could change their name when they wanted to.

I don't think that the tables turned on Gizzmoe, in fact I think that he might have thought it a good idea to have this in one thread rather than dotted around in others.

Rather cunning in fact to have one thread devoted to this disscusion so responses won't have to be repeated.

[SimNut]

It’s human nature. When backed into a corner people lose the ability to take an objective view, they take a defensive position and will stand their ground until the end. That's what is happening here.

All the discussion in the world won't change it.

[Gizzmoe]

It’s human nature. When backed into a corner people lose the ability to take an objective view, they take a defensive position and will stand their ground until the end. That's what is happening here.
All the discussion in the world won't change it.

I thought you´d left us... :hmm: :)

[SimNut]

It’s human nature. When backed into a corner people lose the ability to take an objective view, they take a defensive position and will stand their ground until the end. That's what is happening here.
All the discussion in the world won't change it.
I thought you´d left us... :hmm: :)

If you could only open your eyes. Your camping this thread in your defense. Why not stay out and let everyone have their say?

Won't be much of a forum with the mod inviting people to leave.


Last post, bye.

[STEED]

WHat is the point of this thread? It matters not what you think of Gizzmoe and his moderating abilities. Though all of us probably have had issue with one thing or another that Gizzmoe has done, for the most part he is doing a decent job and from what I understand, this is not a democracy. I refuse to vote in the poll.

Just my 2 cents as always.

-S

SUBMAN1 beat me to it. Nuts:damn:

I agree with SUBMAN1 and no I will not be voting.

[Onkel Neal]

Gizzmoe's moderating style is not going to please everyone. My moderating style did not please everyone, which is why Gizz stepped in to help. I was told the GT forum did not have enough moderation--Drebbel and Bram were MIA, and I prefer a very light touch. When Brad, AL, Mike, and others got a fiery thread going a few months back, Mike got mad and left and several members said there needed to be more moderation in the GT forum. This includes people who regularly get fiery threads going.

So I asked Gizz to help. I gave him ban power because right now I am really busy with my job and the Subsim Project. He can "ban" people if they are too disruptive after following the moderator guidelines and he routinely lets me know. Of course, what is "too disruptive"? That is very subjective, and each of us has his own opinion. But I don't see how we can moderate a forum by committee. So SOMEONE has to make the call--is Member Joe making too many posts and getting everyone angry? Is Member Joe posting porn images? Is Member Joe posting 5 "My new rant" threads every day?

I'm open to suggestions but not experiements.

[The Noob]

Gizzmoe Rocks ´n Rules! :yep:

Really, and without any sh**, he is better than most moderators i have seen on other Forums. I really wouldn't want someone else in charge who is not able to look at things objektive, and how a moderator has to.

Gizzmoe, i think i am one of the few to back you up on this poll.

Of course not everyone likes Gizzmoe. He's a moderator, and most people don't like moderators. But without them, this forum would be utter chaos.

So, please, don't touch the good working system with de-stabilisizing "reforms".

[Gizzmoe]

Ok, the "Let´s beat up Gizzmoe" time is now officially over. ;) I thank all those who gave some good feedback and also thanks for the supportive posts in this and other threads and via PM.

In the future please send all kind of feedback regarding the moderation style via PM only. Thanks again!

I´m closing this and the "What is a General Topics for?" thread.