Laser TV: here comes the plasma killer

[SUBMAN1]

Yea!!! Finially a technology that I may be able to stand to look at!!! Everyone out here has LCD and Plasma's and I can't stand to look at them. Color is horrible, Dithering, just pure uglyness! Hopefully this tech is as good as it sounds. CRT is still king if you can deal with the weight and size.


-S


Laser TV: here comes the plasma killer

http://www.smh.com.au/news/home-theatre/laser-tv-here-comes-the-plasma-killer/2006/10/11/1160246198806.html

[TteFAboB]

I also find Plasma to look odd. The only advantage is the thin size.

[The Noob]

For TV i still take a CRT one. It's cost was only 50 Euro and it's big as ****ing hell. It's used, but never made me any trouble.

On PC i take a TFT, has good quality and never annoyed me.

[tycho102]

"Optoelectronic chip-laser" doesn't mean squat. Your TOSLINK connection is a optoelectronic LED laser.

There's about four ways they can do it.

The most exotic would be carbon-nanotube lasers. This is basically not going to happen anytime soon. They might have a working "prototype" with 10 or 20 of these things, but nothing usable.

Same thing as an LCD, but with LED lasers instead of normal LED fluorescence. Don't see how this would be more effective, since the beam still has to be blocked. The only energy gain would have to be over the LED backlighting's.

Something like a DLP television, but with three mirror arrays instead of just one. An array per laser, using a beam-splitter on each laser. This would oblivate the issues with the color wheel "flashing" that a tremendous number of people notice (myself included, although you do get used to it and it becomes much less obtrusive). I'm not sure how the beam convergence would be handled, other than some kind of multimodal prisim in one of the display layers.

A quadruple reflex mirror array. Right now, mirror arrays have two positions on each mirror -- on or off -- and it turns on or off depending on the color that is shining through the color wheel. Each mirror represents an individual pixel. With a quadruple position array, you'd have three lasers and a really funky floating-pixel-assignment depending on which color needed to be displayed. A mirror that displayed blue in the upper left might have to be "reassigned" to the lower right when it went to display a green pixel. This is only slightly less exotic than the carbon-nanotube lasers.

[SUBMAN1]

For TV i still take a CRT one. It's cost was only 50 Euro and it's big as ****ing hell. It's used, but never made me any trouble.

On PC i take a TFT, has good quality and never annoyed me.

It annoys me to know end on a PC - even worse than a TV. I bought the best Samsungs I could get my hands on even to try and make it look better, but to know avail.

My short list without getting nitpicky:

Positives: Using my DVI cables, the TFT is clearer than a CRT picture wise, but only if you are using the monitors default resolution. This makes the TFT ideal for business work where Word and Excel are the main programs of the day. Space is also the other positive.

Negatives: Again, resolution. If you are not using the default monitor resolution, it looks like *SS!!! This makes it extremely bad for gaming. Color / Black levels are no where near a CRT and never will be. You don't get that vivid color and contrast that a CRT can produce because of this. Last is lag - something a CRT doesn't have either. 8 ms or less is good, but it still is not as sharp and fast moving as a CRT and probably never will be. The rise and fall times of LCD's pixels can never be as fast.

Quite frankly, the LCD is the business monitor of choice. On the flip side, it is the gamers nightmare - if you look at the best the market has to offer side by side, you will never want a gaming LCD monitor over a CRT.

[madDdog67]

Subman1, I tend to agree with you on the LCDs, at least 'til very recently. For years, I resisted them adamantly...then my beloved 19" MAG went up in smoke one day. I grabbed another 19" monitor from one of my other computers (home LAN), and used it for a while. It wasn't as good a monitor as the MAG.

About the same time, I needed a screen for use as a traveling TV, so I grabbed a 15" Magnovox LCD HDTV. I was pleasantly surprised at how good the PS2/XBox/360 all looked going into it via component.

I decided to take the LCD plunge for my desktop. I endud up with an LG 2ms 19" Flatron. Even though it's native resolution is only 1280x1024, it looks great. There is absolutely no ghosting/smearing when I play FPS style games, or any other kind of game, for that matter. All in all, I've been very very surprised at how nice this thing looks. Now, I'm aware of the whole "delayed input response" issue that's surfaced of late within the gaming community...but for the life of me, I can't see any difference between between this LCD or the CRT I used before it.

For grins, I hooked the 19" CRT up last weekend, and I was quickly turned off by it...I've gotten used to the LCD, so the CRT didn't look as good at this point.

I know it's subjective, but I ended up being impressed with the LG enought to buy 2 more LCDs for my LAN. The space savings alone are worht it, and I really don't thinkg I'm giving up too much now...although being able to play games at 1600x1200 *was* nice....but there weren't that many I could do that with at the time anyway.

Coincidentally, I just bought an ATI X1900XT wednesday. My new GPU power supply just got delivered, so now I'll actually be able to use it hehehe...damn thing needs 30A to the 12 volt rail. With this card, I may be missing 1600x1200 a little more, but that's life.

I

[SUBMAN1]

Subman1, I tend to agree with you on the LCDs, at least 'til very recently. For years, I resisted them adamantly...then my beloved 19" MAG went up in smoke one day. I grabbed another 19" monitor from one of my other computers (home LAN), and used it for a while. It wasn't as good a monitor as the MAG.

About the same time, I needed a screen for use as a traveling TV, so I grabbed a 15" Magnovox LCD HDTV. I was pleasantly surprised at how good the PS2/XBox/360 all looked going into it via component.

I decided to take the LCD plunge for my desktop. I endud up with an LG 2ms 19" Flatron. Even though it's native resolution is only 1280x1024, it looks great. There is absolutely no ghosting/smearing when I play FPS style games, or any other kind of game, for that matter. All in all, I've been very very surprised at how nice this thing looks. Now, I'm aware of the whole "delayed input response" issue that's surfaced of late within the gaming community...but for the life of me, I can't see any difference between between this LCD or the CRT I used before it.

For grins, I hooked the 19" CRT up last weekend, and I was quickly turned off by it...I've gotten used to the LCD, so the CRT didn't look as good at this point.

I know it's subjective, but I ended up being impressed with the LG enought to buy 2 more LCDs for my LAN. The space savings alone are worht it, and I really don't thinkg I'm giving up too much now...although being able to play games at 1600x1200 *was* nice....but there weren't that many I could do that with at the time anyway.

Coincidentally, I just bought an ATI X1900XT wednesday. My new GPU power supply just got delivered, so now I'll actually be able to use it hehehe...damn thing needs 30A to the 12 volt rail. With this card, I may be missing 1600x1200 a little more, but that's life.

I

Your Mag that went up in smoke happens to be from a company known for Invar Shadow mask and excellent color and contrast levels. Most Sony tubes will look pale by comparrison (My Samsung LCD looks better!). I have 2x 21" Sony's on this desk, and I have another 20" Sony that I have sitting on my floor at home (Not being used because I hate trinitron tech for color level!), but my main monitor is a 19" LG that has some of the best color levels ever produced!

-S

PS. Fix your Mag and take another look! :)

PPS. My Visiontek x1900 XTX draws even more poer than the XT! I finially went out and bought a $200 Silverstone PSU just to keep everything powered.