View Full Version : The unmentionable expansion gets panned in PC Gamer
Many of us remember the dark times when 'The Unmentionable Expansion' appeared, taking the community's free mods and selling them in Germany. More recently some of us were horrified (but not all that surprised) when the expansion got picked up by Take 2 Interactive and it started appearing on computer game store shelves in the UK and USA. Well, now the expansion has its moment in the sun - and is exposed for what it is. PC Gamer's resident simulations columnist, Andy Mahood, gives the expansion a write-up in December's issue, giving it a 52% rating and saying (in part):
"What the expansion pack's 'packagers' don't tell you, though, is that every single feature is a rehashed - and sometimes inferior - version of some readily available mods from the SH3 community. (There are allegations that X1 Software simply lifted all of the community's hard work and cavalierly burned it to a disk for personal profit. True or not, the company secured Ubisoft's legal permission in advance)... if you have a broadband connection , you're much better off with the vastly superior Grey Wolves supermod from Subsim.com. It outperforms Seawolves on every measurable level and it won't cost you a dime."
So now, finally, the evil expansion gets its comeuppance - well, sort of - at least it shows that people in the gaming press are somewhat aware of the issue and are willing to make an effort to make the truth known.
Somewhat aware? I'm pretty sure that the heart of PC Gamer is it's columist staff. They are routinely the best bit in that mag. We all enjoy reviews and scoops and Hardware stuff but when Andy Mahood tells you something is cool you know he is delivering a Gem.
It's too bad the Desktop Wargamer has moved on.:nope: He was the best.
YAY PC Gamer!:up:
Somewhat aware? I'm pretty sure that the heart of PC Gamer is it's columist staff...
He admits he's unaware of the extent of X1's theft - he says "There are allegations that X1 Software simply lifted all of the community's hard work and cavalierly burned it to a disk for personal profit. True or not, the company secured Ubisoft's legal permission in advance". That means he's only somewhat aware. Firstly, it's not true that X1 lifted all of the community's hard work - the X1 folks lifted some, but not all. If he was fully aware, he'd know the facts.
As for Andy Mahood & the other columnists being the best in the mag - maybe, but if Mr.Mahood is the best that PC Gamer has to offer I'm not impressed. He entirely dropped the ball with SH3 - it never got the respect it deserved in his columns (and I told him as much a year ago - he basically responded that they covered it in a preview and that he couldn't get into it while all the great FPS games were taking his attention) and as I recall he spent the months after its release jabbering on about old flight sims and racing games. Mind you, it's not like anyone else gave SH3 its due either. Computer Games Magazine was only slightly more responsive to it post-release. But when a simulations columnist fails to say anything about a major simulation release or the major mods that have appeared for it in... what is it, a year and a half? I just don't think that's doing his job properly. Basically it's my opinion that the guy has been asleep at the wheel for the last 18 months. But that's just my opinion.
bookworm_020
10-13-06, 01:54 AM
Maybe it will steer some people away from the dark side and bring them over where the sun shines. We who grace this site know how good it is (:rock::rock::rock::rock:), now other will know too. More the merrier!!:up:
Beery, you make it sound as if they owe us something. They're just one magasine. And last time I checked the colums go in rotations so you see one one month and a different one the next. They can't cover the whole gaming world at once comprehensively. Not to mention the fact that they're still a company trying to make money. I own two PC Gamer's with a sim column about SH3. That is aside from the Scoop one month and the subsequent preview in a later month. And whether or not the columnists want to or not I'm sure they have to approve certain ideas and Im sure they get told what to talk about alot of the time.
Beery, you make it sound as if they owe us something...
You're darned right I think that. They absolutely owe me something when I pay for the magazine. When I pay for a magazine I want my money's worth. Far too often I pay my $8.99, open the package and there's virtually nothing for me in the magazine, and it's not as if I'm a niche player - I play strategy, FPS, simulations and MMORPGs, so there should be something in these magazines for me other than the demo disk. But often I find they're wasting my time with meaningless previews of games that are little more than vapourware or vapid nonsense about how awesome is some supercomputer that I'll never be able to afford, and I haven't even touched on the reams of adverts and fluff pieces that take up about 3/4 of every games magazine these days. It's not like computer games magazines are $3.00 an issue anymore. In fact, as I recall, when they were $3.00 an issue I would tend to get more of my money's worth from them. When a computer games magazine contains a simulations column I expect simulations content. What PC Gamer has been providing in recent months has not been up to its old standard. Sometimes I find Mr. Mahood going on about issues completely removed from the simulation genre. When I go to the simulations column I resent it when he wastes my time talking about peoplewatching at the latest E3 convention, FPS games or arcade racing games. It's a sim column, and if he's not going to talk about sims he should rename the column or the magazine should hire someone who can talk about simulations.
Then there's the editor. This month he's going on about the convention in Leipzig and saying that the Germans are always urging him to go to booth "zwanzig ein". If he was regaled that often, surely he'd know how Germans count, and that "zwanzig ein" is completely meaningless in German - it's "ein und zwanzig" for goodness sake. Honestly, sometimes it seems like the magazine has been taken over by a special ed class. I mean it comes to something when an editor can't tell the difference between the words "their", "they're" and "there", but I'm finding such silly spelling and grammar mistakes coming all too frequently from people whose job is to know better.
Anyway, this is off topic. My point was that Mr. Mahood is unaware of X1's activities - he admits as much. That was all I was saying. It's great that you find that PC Gamer meets your needs. I just wish it met mine more often.
Hey Beery. Sorry but I edited my reply a bit late hoping you hadn't read it yet.
So I'll add what I added above.
I know there were 2 months in which there was a sim column about SH3 aside from the Scoops and Review (the review made me buy it). Also there are more sims that SH3. And despite what you think many people consider racing simulators an actual sim.
As for the fact that you paid for it meaning they owe it to you to talk about what you like it unfortunately doesn't work that way. It might be unfortunate that a game like SH3 being a commercial flop compared to games like HL2 means SH3 gets less attention but the fact remains that a magazine appeals to a mass rather than a minority. That they included a scoop and a review is pretty good considering the fact that no one I know bought it, even after I said its good and only $20 at Futureshop.
I saw 2 colums about SH3 in PC Gamer. Thats alot. I don't know what more you can expect. And that they are actually aware of the community enough to say that the user mods are both better and the originals says they have actually played the game. They get mountains of games put on their desks every month. SH3 was a long time ago.
It's called PC Gamer, not PC Simmer. We don't get all we want. We get what sells their mags and now and then we get a nod our way.
BTW don't tell any of your racing sim buddies about how they aren't sims. Ouch. That could be bad.
It's called PC Gamer, not PC Simmer. We don't get all we want...
The sim column is a sim column. It should be about sims. I never said the whole magazine should be about sims. That's a straw man.
WhiteW0lf
10-13-06, 04:38 AM
I agree with Beery's points that is why I canceled my subscription. But on this column its great that they recognize this communities good work and let people know about subsim.com as well.
By the way its good to hear you again Beery, I thought you sunk in the atlantic.
AVGWarhawk
10-13-06, 08:18 AM
Somewhat aware? I'm pretty sure that the heart of PC Gamer is it's columist staff...
He admits he's unaware of the extent of X1's theft - he says "There are allegations that X1 Software simply lifted all of the community's hard work and cavalierly burned it to a disk for personal profit. True or not, the company secured Ubisoft's legal permission in advance". That means he's only somewhat aware. Firstly, it's not true that X1 lifted all of the community's hard work - the X1 folks lifted some, but not all. If he was fully aware, he'd know the facts.
As for Andy Mahood & the other columnists being the best in the mag - maybe, but if Mr.Mahood is the best that PC Gamer has to offer I'm not impressed. He entirely dropped the ball with SH3 - it never got the respect it deserved in his columns (and I told him as much a year ago - he basically responded that they covered it in a preview and that he couldn't get into it while all the great FPS games were taking his attention) and as I recall he spent the months after its release jabbering on about old flight sims and racing games. Mind you, it's not like anyone else gave SH3 its due either. Computer Games Magazine was only slightly more responsive to it post-release. But when a simulations columnist fails to say anything about a major simulation release or the major mods that have appeared for it in... what is it, a year and a half? I just don't think that's doing his job properly. Basically it's my opinion that the guy has been asleep at the wheel for the last 18 months. But that's just my opinion.
I have to laugh at 'X1 did not lift all of the communities works, just some of them'...is that like being just a little bit pregnant? If you lifted just one for your financial gain you have discredited yourself. If you lift a pair of socks at the store or a TV, no matter the value, you are still a thief.:nope:
Biggles
10-13-06, 09:25 AM
hah, the buggers can take it!
Question: is it the same with "Battle in the med..." expansion, is those things mods too?
[edit] In case you want to know, the PC Gamer Sweden magazine gave SHIII 88% of 100%, which is a VERY good result. The only real thing they didn't like was english-talking germans.......
Oh, and PCG SWE has NOT reviewed the exp. for SHIII......
The Noob
10-13-06, 09:32 AM
Our empire strikes back! :up:
I just love it if magazines bash this piece of...you are aware what. :D
Deep-Six
10-13-06, 09:53 AM
I have the Seawolves disk, I know bad me, but I have never installed it.
I REPEAT, I have NOT installed it.
If you want me to, I can check what mods were included. I do have ways of finding those things out.:D
SteamWake
10-13-06, 10:45 AM
I dont think its necessary deep 6.
This particular topic has been discussed ad nausium.
It has been researched and documented exhaustively.
In fact I think that article was in last month issue.
I was a little supprised to see it pop up again.
FIREWALL
10-13-06, 11:15 AM
Maybe it will steer some people away from the dark side and bring them over where the sun shines. We who grace this site know how good it is (:rock::rock::rock::rock:), now other will know too. More the merrier!!:up: You got that right.:up: :rock: :up: :rock: :up: :rock:
I have to laugh at 'X1 did not lift all of the communities works, just some of them'...is that like being just a little bit pregnant? If you lifted just one for your financial gain you have discredited yourself. If you lift a pair of socks at the store or a TV, no matter the value, you are still a thief.:nope:
I'm not sure what your point is. No one - certainly not me - ever said the folks behind X1 aren't thieves. My point was that Andy Mahood doesn't know whether they're thieves or completely innocent. I just think he ought to have done a bit of research and found out exactly what they're accused of (contrary to what his article says no one ever accused them of stealing all the stuff that's in their expansion) and what they are actually guilty of. What he's done is post rumour and innuendo rather than hard facts. While it's nice to see the rumours in print so that everyone can see that there might be something that deserves looking into, I think it would have been nicer to get some hard facts in print, such as what was stolen and who X1 cheated. It's not like that info is unknown - I know at least two people (one who was - perhaps still is - a member of this community) whose work was lifted by X1 and who received not even a mention in the expansion's readme file.
Safe-Keeper
10-13-06, 12:12 PM
(...) if you have a broadband connection , you're much better off with the vastly superior Grey Wolves supermod from subsim.com.
How much did you pay them, Kpt? Neal:p?
AVGWarhawk
10-13-06, 01:20 PM
I have to laugh at 'X1 did not lift all of the communities works, just some of them'...is that like being just a little bit pregnant? If you lifted just one for your financial gain you have discredited yourself. If you lift a pair of socks at the store or a TV, no matter the value, you are still a thief.:nope:
I'm not sure what your point is. No one - certainly not me - ever said the folks behind X1 aren't thieves. My point was that Andy Mahood doesn't know whether they're thieves or completely innocent. I just think he ought to have done a bit of research and found out exactly what they're accused of (contrary to what his article says no one ever accused them of stealing all the stuff that's in their expansion) and what they are actually guilty of. What he's done is post rumour and innuendo rather than hard facts. While it's nice to see the rumours in print so that everyone can see that there might be something that deserves looking into, I think it would have been nicer to get some hard facts in print, such as what was stolen and who X1 cheated. It's not like that info is unknown - I know at least two people (one who was - perhaps still is - a member of this community) whose work was lifted by X1 and who received not even a mention in the expansion's readme file.
If is written in your first paragraph that X1 had not lifted all but some......It is written in such a way as admission by X1 as lifting "some"...my point is if they lifted some they are still suspect. That is how I interpret this first paragraph. I'm sure that Manhood does not have all the facts.
Cerberus
10-13-06, 07:52 PM
Somewhat aware? I'm pretty sure that the heart of PC Gamer is it's columist staff...
He admits he's unaware of the extent of X1's theft - he says "There are allegations that X1 Software simply lifted all of the community's hard work and cavalierly burned it to a disk for personal profit. True or not, the company secured Ubisoft's legal permission in advance". That means he's only somewhat aware. Firstly, it's not true that X1 lifted all of the community's hard work - the X1 folks lifted some, but not all. If he was fully aware, he'd know the facts.
We can all read this bit in different ways.
I take the phrase "There are allegations that...." to be a device intended to lessen the chance of a writ for libel from X1 - nothing to do with what he does or doesn't know.
If he claims they've stolen something, they could sue him & the side with the deepest pockets would win.
This way he stands aside from the allegation - he's only reporting on what is being said by others.
Happy Times
10-14-06, 07:36 AM
I think many members dont know who Beery is. And that may cause some misinterpretations in issues concerning mods/modding. And very nice to see Beery back, that can only mean good things for the community.
kiwi_2005
10-14-06, 11:18 AM
I think many members dont know who Beery is. And that may cause some misinterpretations in issues concerning mods/modding. And very nice to see Beery back, that can only mean good things for the community.
:yep:
Anyway not happy with PC Gamer, then go PCPOWERPLAY if its available in your country, comes with 2 dvds every issue - very good gaming magazine.
The Noob
10-14-06, 01:17 PM
Anyway not happy with PC Gamer, then go PCPOWERPLAY if its available in your country, comes with 2 dvds every issue - very good gaming magazine.
Nah. I don't really like PC Powerplay, because here in austria they are submitting to German Video game censoring, and censor thier videos for what they call "Jouth Protection". Well, Angela Merkel better takes care how to protect the ass of thier Party members who encuraged this law, because if i ever see them, i will freak out major.
The Germans are Number one in blaming every nuts person on Games, especially counterstrike. It's kind of an Volkssport here.
Down with this law! Whatever it takes.
Because the only thing that makes me agressive are not the games, but the censoring of them.
I could really talk endless hours how dumb this is, but i won't. Point made clear, i hate it and think this law should be destroyed, and you can't change my mind about it.
Oh, BTW: VERNICHTED FRONTAL 21!!! :arrgh!:
Want a good uncensored game magazine? Try Game-Star!
Beery, you make it sound as if they owe us something...
You're darned right I think that. They absolutely owe me something when I pay for the magazine. When I pay for a magazine I want my money's worth. Far too often I pay my $8.99, open the package and there's virtually nothing for me in the magazine, and it's not as if I'm a niche player - I play strategy, FPS, simulations and MMORPGs, so there should be something in these magazines for me other than the demo disk. But often I find they're wasting my time with meaningless previews of games that are little more than vapourware or vapid nonsense about how awesome is some supercomputer that I'll never be able to afford, and I haven't even touched on the reams of adverts and fluff pieces that take up about 3/4 of every games magazine these days. It's not like computer games magazines are $3.00 an issue anymore. In fact, as I recall, when they were $3.00 an issue I would tend to get more of my money's worth from them. When a computer games magazine contains a simulations column I expect simulations content. What PC Gamer has been providing in recent months has not been up to its old standard. Sometimes I find Mr. Mahood going on about issues completely removed from the simulation genre. When I go to the simulations column I resent it when he wastes my time talking about peoplewatching at the latest E3 convention, FPS games or arcade racing games. It's a sim column, and if he's not going to talk about sims he should rename the column or the magazine should hire someone who can talk about simulations.
Then there's the editor. This month he's going on about the convention in Leipzig and saying that the Germans are always urging him to go to booth "zwanzig ein". If he was regaled that often, surely he'd know how Germans count, and that "zwanzig ein" is completely meaningless in German - it's "ein und zwanzig" for goodness sake. Honestly, sometimes it seems like the magazine has been taken over by a special ed class. I mean it comes to something when an editor can't tell the difference between the words "their", "they're" and "there", but I'm finding such silly spelling and grammar mistakes coming all too frequently from people whose job is to know better.
Anyway, this is off topic. My point was that Mr. Mahood is unaware of X1's activities - he admits as much. That was all I was saying. It's great that you find that PC Gamer meets your needs. I just wish it met mine more often.
*Carlos Menica impression* Dee dee!
But seriously it sounds like the gaming magazines have just become expensive BBQ starters not even worth reading really.
Safe-Keeper
10-15-06, 07:28 AM
I don't buy magazines, nor do I frequently read the e-versions. If there's a game I'm curious about, I do a search for reviews and listen to word-of-mouth (asking my budds if they've played it, starting forum threads on it, and whatnot).
kiwi_2005
10-15-06, 01:00 PM
I never miss an issue of PCPOWERPLAY, for reasons the dvds contain, lots of mods, patches, ultilities, gfx card updates, sometimes a free game, last week was FEAR Multiplayer Combat 1.07 FULL version, otherwise it would of been a 2gig download last august issue had Americas Army 2.7 which would of been a 1gig DL, I dont really bother with the demos unless its something i really have to try out. Also good tech info and reviews. I can't do with out it. Its da gamers bible:D
Safe-Keeper
10-15-06, 01:45 PM
I mean it comes to something when an editor can't tell the difference between the words "their", "they're" and "there", but I'm finding such silly spelling and grammar mistakes coming all too frequently from people whose job is to know better.I find it coming all too frequently from many native speakers of English, not just those whose job it is to write articles of whatever kind.
Stupid mistakes are creeping into Norwegian, too, in more than one way (Norwegian words being replaced by English words "made Norwegian", words split that should not be split, and so on). Blame schools for not making children read and write nearly as much as they ought to.
The Noob
10-15-06, 02:04 PM
@Safe-Keeper
The reason for writing is the express yourself, to write a message. What matters is that it is understandable. Grammar and spelling is a useless thing some people think is important.
Sailor Steve
10-15-06, 02:12 PM
@Safe-Keeper
The reason for writing is the express yourself, to write a message. What matters is that it is understandable. Grammar and spelling is a useless thing some people think is important.
a see wut u meen dood an i conplitlee agrie
Wulfmann
10-15-06, 03:35 PM
Name the topic that has caused more disharmony in the SH3 community,
Accomplished the least for the effort spent
Dissuaded the least because those that buy it never come here (or they would get GW or NYGM:smug: )
Wasted more time that could have been used to promote or improve the game and community
Caused absolutely no care what so ever to the people that made it.
Empowered some to think it was OK to commit piracy of their own in their Jihad cause.
And maybe boosted some pharmaceutical company stock..
The answer is SW, I say that because some might have been out for the last year and a half!:rotfl:
Why does this all seem so childish now? :88)
Maybe because it always was?:roll:
Wulfmann
Name the topic that has caused more disharmony in the SH3 community,
Accomplished the least for the effort spent
Dissuaded the least because those that buy it never come here (or they would get GW or NYGM:smug: )
Wasted more time that could have been used to promote or improve the game and community
Caused absolutely no care what so ever to the people that made it.
Empowered some to think it was OK to commit piracy of their own in their Jihad cause.
And maybe boosted some pharmaceutical company stock..
The answer is SW, I say that because some might have been out for the last year and a half!:rotfl:
Why does this all seem so childish now? :88)
Maybe because it always was?:roll:
Wulfmann
I don't know how much lower you can go then to take other peoples work that is out for FREE and just slap it to a disc and sell it for your own profit.
Thats worse piracy then downloading music or video from Limewire and Bitlord other such services.:nope: The bastards...
VipertheSniper
10-15-06, 07:11 PM
And despite what you think many people consider racing simulators an actual sim.
:yep:
Nothing better than beating your friend in GTR over the net. :rock:
Safe-Keeper
10-15-06, 07:37 PM
The reason for writing is the express yourself, to write a message. What matters is that it is understandable. Grammar and spelling is a useless thing some people think is important.The two last sentences contradict each others to death.
Sure, if you do your best and people understand you, no one can ask for more. I'm addressing people who for some reason just don't care.
Thats worse piracy then downloading music or video from Limewire and Bitlord other such services.:nope: And that takes a bit.
What baffles me is that since Grey Wolves and NYGM are so much better than what Seawolves turned out to be, why didn't they just steal Grey Wolves or NYGM?
Let's say I'm a car thief in a workshop. I can:
a. Steal some parts to make a mediocre car.
b. Steal one of the two brand new sports cars.
Yeah, let's go for a:up:.
The reason for writing is the express yourself, to write a message. What matters is that it is understandable. Grammar and spelling is a useless thing some people think is important.The two last sentences contradict each others to death.
Thats worse piracy then downloading music or video from Limewire and Bitlord other such services.:nope: And that takes a bit.
What baffles me is that since Grey Wolves and NYGM are so much better than what Seawolves turned out to be, why didn't they just steal Grey Wolves or NYGM?
Let's say I'm a car thief in a workshop. I can:
a. Steal some parts to make a mediocre car.
b. Steal one of the two brand new sports cars.
Yeah, let's go for a:up:.
:yep::yep::up:
The reason for writing is the express yourself, to write a message. What matters is that it is understandable. Grammar and spelling is a useless thing some people think is important.The two last sentences contradict each others to death.
Thats worse piracy then downloading music or video from Limewire and Bitlord other such services.:nope: And that takes a bit.
What baffles me is that since Grey Wolves and NYGM are so much better than what Seawolves turned out to be, why didn't they just steal Grey Wolves or NYGM?
Let's say I'm a car thief in a workshop. I can:
a. Steal some parts to make a mediocre car.
b. Steal one of the two brand new sports cars.
Yeah, let's go for a:up:.
:yep::yep::up:
:up::up::up::up::up:
Wulfmann
10-15-06, 08:54 PM
I don't know how much lower you can go then to take other peoples work that is out for FREE and just slap it to a disc and sell it for your own profit.
Thats worse piracy then downloading music or video from Limewire and Bitlord other such services.:nope: The bastards...
Try reading the user agreement you clicked yes to when you installed the game.
Ubi owns every file and any alteration is prohibited and you and I and everyone agreed to that when we selected "I agree".
The fact they do not enforce it does not nullify the fact.
The legal binding fact.
Like it or not X-1 was given permission to use the files UBI owns and any changes made to the files UBI owns.
Don’t like that reality don’t buy and play games because that is the real world as compared to the fantasy; we are the world; I’d like to buy the world a coke; Koom by ya, we made a mod so the owners have no right how dare they.
I am not condoning the disrespect to many fine freeware mods that have improved this game and then see it used by a dev.
SH3 mod makers are far from alone on this.
But, to believe that somehow gives us any right at all is a delusion of grander.
Wulfmann
I believe this discussion has been up for some time now....:nope:
The fact that its copyrighted, is ok. But if X1 thinks that all the mods are made illegaly, they have just sold stolen goods. Thats a crime. Why not go to legal actions againt the freeware modders, if their work is such a big crime?
Who owns the colors on the ships in SHIII? Or the color of the water? Or the excellent models made in wings 3d or other programs? A color isnt a color until it colors something (Rene Descartes). Is the "Mona Lisa" made by Leonardo da Vinci, or is it made by the guy who made the canvas, or the guy who made the colors? Or maybe Mona Lisa's parents, since they made her.....?:doh:
I respect your point of view, Wulfmann, and kudos for keeping the discussion in a professional and matter-of-factly way. But i disagree with you, mate. I dont think any game company would loose money on a "open source" policy, they would rather gain public relations and economical benefits. And just to mention how the worlds copyright laws work, here is some quotes.... :
From Wikipeida:
"Copyright law covers only the particular form or manner in which ideas or information have been manifested, the "form of material expression". It is not designed or intended to cover the actual idea, concepts, facts, styles, or techniques which may be embodied in or represented by the copyright work. Copyright law provides scope for satirical or interpretive works which themselves may be copyrighted."
The Norwegian law of copyright, AKA "åndsverksloven", § 4:
"The original maker can not deny anyone to make new creations based on the original work. The copyright of the new and independent creations does not depend on the copyright of the original work".
In Norwegian:
"§ 4. Opphavsmannen kan ikke sette seg imot at andre benytter hans åndsverk på en slik måte at nye og selvstendige verk oppstår. Opphavsretten til det nye og selvstendige verk er ikke avhengig av opphavsretten til det verk som er benyttet."
I hope this made it clearer.
PCG SimGuy
10-16-06, 03:18 AM
As for Andy Mahood & the other columnists being the best in the mag - maybe, but if Mr.Mahood is the best that PC Gamer has to offer I'm not impressed. He entirely dropped the ball with SH3 - it never got the respect it deserved in his columns (and I told him as much a year ago - he basically responded that they covered it in a preview and that he couldn't get into it while all the great FPS games were taking his attention) and as I recall he spent the months after its release jabbering on about old flight sims and racing games..
Hi Ian,
If you're going to post in a public forum I'd appreciate it if you get your facts straight. You emailed me October of last year complaining about the lack of SH3 coverage in PC Gamer. This was my response:
"Thanks for your interest in the column but it's possible you may have missed one or two. I've devoted a fair bit of ink to SH3 in the past year – I wrote a preview in the September 04 issue and my August column was dedicated entirely to the sim – but you're right to point out that I didn't write the official review for the magazine (Dan Morris is a big fan so he handled the PCG review while I contributed a separate review to Maximum PC). I also mentioned the latest official patch in my October column.
How the hell do you read "he couldn't get into it while all the great FPS games were taking his attention" into that? I thought we had a pretty civil discourse last year so I'm surprised and a little disappointed to see you misquoting me just to make some obscure point about my journalistic "hackness".
Andy Mahood
I think in order to really understand the copyrights and were modders stand in it we would have to have a copyright lawyer look at it.
Just my opinion...
Cdre Gibs
10-16-06, 09:55 AM
<Edit: Don´t try to start a fight here, please! - Gizzmoe>
SteamWake
10-16-06, 11:54 AM
edit --- two years ago ---edit
Andy Mahood
and the band plays on.
ReallyDedPoet
10-17-06, 07:13 AM
PC Gamer pretty much sucks. Go to their web-site, the latest SH review is SH2.
AVGWarhawk
10-17-06, 03:13 PM
@Safe-Keeper
The reason for writing is the express yourself, to write a message. What matters is that it is understandable. Grammar and spelling is a useless thing some people think is important. a see wut u meen dood an i conplitlee agrie
Steve has hit the nail on the head. I be hoked on fonics maself!:rotfl:
SteamWake
10-18-06, 11:08 AM
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The reason for writing is the express yourself, to write a message. What matters is that it is understandable. Grammar and spelling is a useless thing some people think is important. a see wut u meen dood an i conplitlee agrie
Steve has hit the nail on the head. I be hoked on fonics maself!:rotfl:
Huked on fonics werked fer me ! :smug:
edit; misspeld werked
AVGWarhawk
10-18-06, 02:30 PM
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Roc on dood!
Steeltrap
10-18-06, 09:57 PM
To add to the 'debate' (it hardly merits such a tag, but I'm being kind) about written English, I shall defer to a master:
"Most people who bother with the matter at all would admit that the English language is in a bad way, but it is generally assumed that we cannot by conscious action do anything about it. Our civilization is decadent and our language — so the argument runs — must inevitably share in the general collapse. It follows that any struggle against the abuse of language is a sentimental archaism, like preferring candles to electric light or hansom cabs to aeroplanes. Underneath this lies the half-conscious belief that language is a natural growth and not an instrument which we shape for our own purposes.
Now, it is clear that the decline of a language must ultimately have political and economic causes: it is not due simply to the bad influence of this or that individual writer. But an effect can become a cause, reinforcing the original cause and producing the same effect in an intensified form, and so on indefinitely. A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks. It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts." (not in bold in original)
George Orwell, Politics and the English Language, 1946 (!!!)
For anyone interested, here's a link to the essay in full:
http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit
I am glad poor Eric doesn't have to see what has become of the language these days. I find the comment about foolish thoughts being linked with language extremely potent (find me a politician who says anything clearly and concisely these days....can anyone see us producing a person with the ability to motivate and make telling oratory such as Winston Churchill these days??), and there have been many thorough studies on the link between language and thoughts.
For those who will laugh at me and say I'm being a puritan, I simply point to the level of clarity, intelligence and fresh thinking to be found in today's politics, news and businesses (don't get me started on 'business-ese'). Are we better off for it? If so, how? If not, why is it the way it is? Think about that next time you want to express something.....
Ciao
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