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My dad is Jewish (Hence my forum name "Rose," from my real last name, Rosenfield) and my mother is Irish Roman Catholic. While I am half and half, I am much more Catholic in practice. I'm not as devout as I'd like to be... I rarely go to Church (I go a few times a year: Christmas, Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, and of course, Easter along with the rare Sunday in between), and have not been confirmed (I'm 15, is that too late?), although I have been Baptized and made my First Confession and Communion.
Tchocky
10-12-06, 05:38 PM
Raised Catholic, more by social norms than anything else. I'd call myself atheist, possible antitheist because I don't believe in unnecessary divisions.
Religion leaves me alone, so I leave religion alone. We work out fine
Yahoshua
10-12-06, 06:06 PM
I'll sit on the sidelines and watch other people go through this exercise (tired fingers/ fried mind).
Skybird
10-12-06, 06:12 PM
And I execute my war plan A and make use of a previously prepared "shortcut" :D
http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/Whatitsabout.pdf
MothBalls
10-12-06, 07:10 PM
http://www.americanhumanist.org/humanism/
Humanist Manifesto III
Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity. [...]
My addition:
Everone has the right to believe in whatever god they choose, worship unhindered in any manner they choose, and should not be thought any less of, or more of, based on thier beliefs. We should be able to respect that right, in peace.
TteFAboB
10-12-06, 07:13 PM
Roman Catholic Papist.
Anti-religious believer in God.
Ducimus
10-12-06, 07:49 PM
Im pretty much anti religous in terms of having beleifs forced upon me. I beleive that everyone is free to beleive what they want and should respect others right to do the same.
Growing up as a kid i had christian doctrine and church ram rodded down my throat, and was dragged to chuch kicking and screaming. Now, as an adult, i can't stand the site of any of it. I intend to go to church only twice more in my life. My marriage and my funerial. Open display of christian rehtoric like Harvest bumper stickers, NOTW, jesus this that or the other thing, makes me irrate.
If i ever have a kid, i will not allow dogma to be ramrodded down his/her' throat like it was mine. He or she will make her own decision and i will respect it. Such curtisey was never afforded to me.
madDdog67
10-12-06, 09:26 PM
Raised Catholic, given the 7/8 Irish in my family tree, but once I got to be old enough to make the choice of going to church or not, well, if you're not gettin' married or buried, you won't see me in one lol. Don't really think to much about being Catholic, except when I'm in a small part of a wee island where that stuff makes a difference...ni shiochain go soairse.
I dabbled for a while in neo-pagan/Druid/Wicca, but there's *way* too many hippies in that to suit me. :o.
I'm at the point in life that I acknowledge the existence of a higher power, but whatever form he/she/it takes, beats the hell out of me.
I don't begrudge anyone worshipping whoever they want, I ask only 2 things:
1)don't try to ram it down MY throat
2)don't even THINK about killing me in the name of your God. :x
Other than that, I try to leave people to their beliefs.
Tchocky
10-12-06, 09:54 PM
Raised Catholic, given the 7/8 Irish in my family tree, but once I got to be old enough to make the choice of going to church or not, well, if you're not gettin' married or buried, you won't see me in one lol. Don't really think to much about being Catholic, except when I'm in a small part of a wee island where that stuff makes a difference...ni shiochain go soairse.
Tá an ceart agat, Madra Mire Seasca 's a seacht! Ach, a lá atá inniu ann, níl sé ró-tábhachtach san Tuaisceart.
Tiocfaidh ár lá, my friend! Soarse go Deo! 26 + 6 = 1! I fully support Sinn Fein and their goals. Wait, I'm hijacking my own thread, aren't I... I'm just proud to be Irish-American and disgusted by the fact that the Brits have shat all over Ireland for 850 some-odd years. Get the hell out of the 6 occupied counties.
Tchocky
10-12-06, 10:07 PM
Tiocfaidh ár lá, my friend! Soarse go Deo! 26 + 6 = 1! I fully support Sinn Fein and their goals. Wait, I'm hijacking my own thread, aren't I... I'm just proud to be Irish-American and disgusted at the fact that the Brits have shat all over Ireland for 850 some-odd years. Get the hell out of the 6 occupied counties.
I'm disgusted by all of those in the North who decide that killing each other is the way to further their aims.
I'm disgusted by those who believe violence is the route to a United Ireland, despite a significant majority in the North do not want this.
I'm disgusted by arms-length financing of murder and mutilation.
I'm disgusted by Sinn Fein members refusing to call the disappearance, murder, and hidden burial of an innocent mother of ten a crime.
I'm disgusted by those who kneecap others purely on basis of religion.
I'm disgusted by those who perpetuate hatred because of historical injustice, hundreds of years in the past.
I'm disgusted that my best friends father decided that it was in the interests of the irish people to kill 29 innocents.
I'm disgusted by the Irish people for electing known criminals.
I am disgusted by people who believe a country is worth killing innocent people for.
*Gulp* ... Let me try to make things a bit more clear. I fully support the cause of Sinn Fein. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE MEANS BY WHICH THAT CAUSE IS PREACHED AND CARRIED OUT. I don't care who you are, where you're from, Protestant, Catholic -- The terrorism must stop. I fully agree with you. Innocents do not need to die over such a fight. Whether it's the PIRA, Loyalist paramilitaries, the RAC, the British Army... They've all had their share of atrocities during the current times and the "Troubles." The killing must stop. The death must stop. That's where Sinn Fein come in. The PIRA are letting up on the bloodshed, and Sinn Fein is carrying out the cause through political, non-violent means. I just think it would be wonderful to see Ireland free. However, no terrorism is good, and I fully agree with Tchocky on that fact... Supporting the IRA or any sectarian paramilitary for that matter, is just as bad as supporting Al Quaida or Hezbollah.
Oh, and by the way, I'm sure the nationalists have much more to be angry over than just old grievences. For example, the RAC firing into a crowd of peaceful NICRA protestors who simple wanted to enjoy the same rights as their British fellows. Wasn't so long ago, was it....
This is why..... the orginal topic.... is usually not a good idea for a forum post. It will soon become a flame war. Best to lock it now.
Wait, no, I like our Northern Ireland conversation. I was actually going to make a seperate thread before I saw the opportunity in here to make a comment :D. It's my thread, and I don't really mind. I actually like it.
Gizzmoe
10-12-06, 11:15 PM
It's my thread, and I don't really mind.
But I do. Don´t hijack threads. Ever.
The Avon Lady
10-12-06, 11:47 PM
Oh oh. :shifty:
NEON DEON
10-12-06, 11:58 PM
My dad was Protestant.:sunny:
My Mom Catholic.:sunny:
My wife is Jewish.:sunny:
And I live in the U.S. where there is freedom of religion.
I work for a faith based Non profit organization called the Volunteers of America. This orginization does not seek to impose a specific religious belief just as I do not.
As for my view, I am intolerable of religious intolerance and I believe in god and not religion is my god.
The term I recently invented is "Rabid Anti-Dogmatic Deist". It actually gets the gist of it quite well, although my understanding of Deism is even slightly unreligious. I do have my own (perhaps subjective) concepts of god, soul and other such things; calling me an atheist or agnostic would be incorrect. Deist is at least closest available.
The anti-dogmatic part comes from my inherent distrust of religious organizations and especially religious scripture (and the institute behind interpreting it). The rabid part is that yes, well, offensive as it may sound but I do literally think that when someone thinks it's truth and the only proof available for it is a quote from a questionably-sourced book or saying by a questionable authority, I consider that person an idiot at least to some part. And to me, no authority is unquestionable. To me nothing in general is unquestionable and I take no pleasure in having the answers handed to me when I can look for them perfectly well myself. Easy answers impress me only when they capture the essence of what I have reasonable proof for.
To me, morals, goodwill and good faith only come from free logic. I tend to snicker and make other unpleasant noises at those who say a person without religion or a faith in god (as a sentient being or entity) can't have morals.
I respect certain teachings. I most certainly respect the core morals of Christ and much of the Buddhist world view, but I by no means subscribe to either absolutely.
Immacolata
10-13-06, 03:27 AM
Not sure if it would be nontheist or agnostic. Doesn't mean Im not a baptised protestant. I see nothing of gods so why can people claim they exist?
John 3
[1] There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
[2] The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
[3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
[8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
[9] Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
[10] Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
[11] Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
[14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
[22] After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
[23] And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
[24] For John was not yet cast into prison.
[25] Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
[26] And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
[27] John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
[28] Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
[29] He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
[30] He must increase, but I must decrease.
[31] He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
[32] And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
[33] He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
[34] For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
[35] The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
[36] He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Born Again at age 16...made it to 37...whew. :) Never thought I'd make it to 20...Doh!
Skybird
10-13-06, 06:01 AM
Raised Catholic, given the 7/8 Irish in my family tree, but once I got to be old enough to make the choice of going to church or not, well, if you're not gettin' married or buried, you won't see me in one lol. Don't really think to much about being Catholic, except when I'm in a small part of a wee island where that stuff makes a difference...ni shiochain go soairse.
Tá an ceart agat, Madra Mire Seasca 's a seacht! Ach, a lá atá inniu ann, níl sé ró-tábhachtach san Tuaisceart.
Gaelic, maybe? Ah, where is my Corrs-CD, "Home"... Love the sound of that language.
It's my thread, and I don't really mind.
But I do. Don´t hijack threads. Ever.
Whoops, sorry Gizzmoe. :oops:
SkvyWvr
10-13-06, 06:42 AM
Roman Catholic. Until my head butting run in with a young priest over my 1st son's Baptism (long story):x .
madDdog67
10-13-06, 08:39 AM
man..didn't know a little of the Irish would provoke a s*******. I will only say this...I hope everyone in the 6 counties will learn to live in peace at some point. My hope is that it will be under the banner of a united Ireland. We'll see how *that* turns out. Tchocky, I'm embarrased to say you've overwhelmed my Irish capabilities lol...one of these days I'll have to get serious about it.
As for the original topic, I'm amazed at the amount of Christian bashing (not necessarily here) I see in the U.S....and anti Catholicism as well, these days. Once the priest molestation scandal broke, they were coming out of the woodwork...and the enmity between the left and the right in this country now is palpable, with religion being a focal point of that.
There are plenty of folks who seem to think the phrase "freedom of religion" means that religion should be erased from the collective memory banks, it seems.
HunterICX
10-13-06, 09:00 AM
:hmm:I,m an Non-believer.
SUBMAN1
10-13-06, 10:22 AM
Im pretty much anti religous in terms of having beleifs forced upon me. I beleive that everyone is free to beleive what they want and should respect others right to do the same.
Growing up as a kid i had christian doctrine and church ram rodded down my throat, and was dragged to chuch kicking and screaming. Now, as an adult, i can't stand the site of any of it. I intend to go to church only twice more in my life. My marriage and my funerial. Open display of christian rehtoric like Harvest bumper stickers, NOTW, jesus this that or the other thing, makes me irrate.
If i ever have a kid, i will not allow dogma to be ramrodded down his/her' throat like it was mine. He or she will make her own decision and i will respect it. Such curtisey was never afforded to me.
Don't live in the UK - you might not have a choice of it being ram rodded down your kids throat!
-S
madDdog67
10-13-06, 02:18 PM
[quote=Ducimus]
Don't live in the UK - you might not have a choice of it being ram rodded down your kids throat!
-S
Actually, I did live in England for 4 years, quite some time ago. I haven't been back for 20 years, but I'm guessing I wouldn't recognize the place at this point, if even half of what I read is true these days.
Hylander_1314
10-13-06, 05:42 PM
There's gotta be something better.......................
Yahoshua
10-13-06, 06:33 PM
A deserted privately owned island sounds nice :D
ASWnut101
10-13-06, 09:06 PM
.......With lots of hot chicks!:cool: :D
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