saddest day in Jewish history

[Rockstar]

Before I ask my question, I realize there is a truck load of websites and library books on the subject that can tell me what happened. But I'm hoping to find something I haven't been able to so far.

Is there any Jewish records that indicate or a respected rabbi who might know the ethnicity of the army that destroyed the second temple in 70. I know the Roman empire had a knack for pressing the conquered into the army but they normally dragged them off to another part of the empire where they had no sympathy or alligence. And if there were other people involved in the seige besides the roman army where did they come from? (arab, persian, etc)

In Daniel it says "and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;"

I would like to know who and where those people came from?

Thanks

[kiwi_2005]

IMHO the saddest day in Jewish history was the nazi era 1933 to 1945.

Or maybe in about 73 A.D., at Masada, Elazar ben Yair, the Zealots' leader, decided that all the Jewish defenders should commit suicide instead of giving up to the Romans who were besieging them. The men killed their wives and children, and then committed suicide; 930 people died. Today, the people of Masada are revered by most Jews and Masada is one of the most sacred places in Israel and Judaism.

Theirs probably many more but those two stay in my memory.

[The Avon Lady]

IMHO the saddest day in Jewish history was the nazi era 1933 to 1945.
Are we talking about saddest day or saddest historical events?

The saddest day is definitely the 9th of the Jewish lunar calendar month of Av, which falls out during August or September every year. The day is the anniversary of the sin of the spies in Sinai, that resulted in G-d's punishing the children of Israel by keeping them 40 years in the dessert, rather than leading them to the land of Israel immediately.

This day is also the anniversaries of the destruction of both the 1st and 2nd Temples in Jerusalem, resulting both times in the deaths of millions and the Jews expulsion each time from Israel.

The Nazi invasion of Poland, triggering WWII, began around the time of the 9th of Av.

The day is also the anniversary for the expulsion of all Jews from Spain in 1492, under the order of the king and queen.

I might also add it is the anniversary of the expulsion of the Jews from Gush Katif, Gaza, last year, by their own people.

The 9th of Av is a 25 hour full fast day, accompanied by several laws taken from Jewish laws in death in morning. Most of the added prayers are lamentation for the destruction of Jerusalem, the loss of the Temple and various occurrences that have since happened. Special lamentations have been composed for the holocaust.

[kiwi_2005]

I was talking about what i want to talk about.:D

[I-25]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?

[catar M]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?or maybe opposite way around

[SubSerpent]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?or maybe opposite way around

Exactly! :up:

[The Avon Lady]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?or maybe opposite way around
Exactly! :up:
Would you 2 care to elaborate?

[SubSerpent]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?or maybe opposite way around
Exactly! :up:
Would you 2 care to elaborate?


Which part didn't you understand?


There was only 1 word and a thumbs up emotioncon! It's really not that hard!


This has been a test of "reading comprehension" and A.L. has failed! :down:

Don't worry A.L., I don't expect you to know what any of that means!

[The Avon Lady]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?or maybe opposite way around
Exactly! :up:
Would you 2 care to elaborate?
Which part didn't you understand?
The part where you seem unable to elaborate.

[SubSerpent]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?or maybe opposite way around
Exactly! :up:
Would you 2 care to elaborate?
Which part didn't you understand?
The part where you seem unable to elaborate.


Ok, I will break it down for you!



First question: "why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???"



Second question: "why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?"



Correction to the second question: "or maybe opposite way around"


Acknowledgement to the Correction to the second question: "Exactly! :up: "

[The Avon Lady]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?or maybe opposite way around
Exactly! :up:
Would you 2 care to elaborate?
Which part didn't you understand?
The part where you seem unable to elaborate.


Ok, I will break it down for you!



First question: "why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???"



Second question: "why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?"



Correction to the second question: "or maybe opposite way around"


Acknowledgement to the Correction to the second question: "Exactly! :up: "
I repeat: can you elaborate?

Apparently not.

[SubSerpent]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?or maybe opposite way around
Exactly! :up:
Would you 2 care to elaborate?
Which part didn't you understand?
The part where you seem unable to elaborate.


Ok, I will break it down for you!



First question: "why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???"



Second question: "why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?"



Correction to the second question: "or maybe opposite way around"


Acknowledgement to the Correction to the second question: "Exactly! :up: "
I repeat: can you elaborate?

Apparently not.

Ok! You want me to elaborate on what has already been elaborated on...

We'll start here...."or maybe opposite way around"

This correction means that Jews are not always in the right and that Jews often commit terrible acts upon everyone else.

For instance...

One could argue that the Jews killed Christ and still to this day refuse to acknowledge that Christ was the son of God and the savior of all humanity!

or one could argue that the Jews built and outhouse on sacred Arabic land and called it "Isreal". Now the Arabs are quiet upset about it as well as most people would be if someone came onto their property and built something to live in uninvitedly or without permission!

Now we come to my comment..."Exactly! :up: "

This just further drives the point of all the above!


Is there anything else A.L. that I can clear up for you or will that be all?

[The Avon Lady]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?or maybe opposite way around
Exactly! :up:
Would you 2 care to elaborate?
Which part didn't you understand?
The part where you seem unable to elaborate.


Ok, I will break it down for you!



First question: "why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???"



Second question: "why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?"



Correction to the second question: "or maybe opposite way around"


Acknowledgement to the Correction to the second question: "Exactly! :up: "
I repeat: can you elaborate?

Apparently not.

Ok! You want me to elaborate on what has already been elaborated on...

We'll start here...."or maybe opposite way around"

This correction means that Jews are not always in the right and that Jews often commit terrible acts upon everyone else.

For instance...

One could argue that the Jews killed Christ and still to this day refuse to acknowledge that Christ was the son of God and the savior of all humanity!

or one could argue that the Jews built and outhouse on sacred Arabic land and called it "Isreal". Now the Arabs are quiet upset about it as well as most people would be if someone came onto their property and built something to live in uninvitedly or without permission!

Now we come to my comment..."Exactly! :up: "

This just further drives the point of all the above!


Is there anything else A.L. that I can clear up for you or will that be all?
No. That'll do. You said a mouthful. :yep:

[HunterICX]

:hmm: OT: Never seen that much of quotes...

[Hylander_1314]

Personally, I have a lot of respect for the People of Isreal.

To look at all that has been thrown at them and all that has been sufferred, and they still stand proud.:up:

[SubSerpent]

Personally, I have a lot of respect for the People of Isreal.

To look at all that has been thrown at them and all that has been sufferred, and they still stand proud.:up:


Only since the 1950s, Arabs and Islam have been around for centuries!

[Hylander_1314]

So has Isreal, when it's been allowed to exist.

And I wasn't just referring to the last 50+ years.

[SubSerpent]

So has Isreal, when it's been allowed to exist.

And I wasn't just referring to the last 50+ years.


Arabs were around first and they controlled the land that is now Isreal way longer before the Jews had it! Only after WWII did the Allies put the Jews on ships and carry them away from a hostile Europe and drop them off there. True there wasn't anything there and the Jews did build the buildings there to live in but it was done on Arab controlled land. No wonder why they are mad. The Allies should have dropped the Jews off in N.Korea instead!

[Rockstar]

So has Isreal, when it's been allowed to exist.

And I wasn't just referring to the last 50+ years.


Arabs were around first and they controlled the land that is now Isreal way longer before the Jews had it! Only after WWII did the Allies put the Jews on ships and carry them away from a hostile Europe and drop them off there. True there wasn't anything there and the Jews did build the buildings there to live in but it was done on Arab controlled land. No wonder why they are mad. The Allies should have dropped the Jews off in N.Korea instead!

It is an ancient hatred that originates with Satan himself. From the day that God Himself showed His favor to the Jewish people, Satan has likewise raged against them. Satan’s primary vehicles that he has used to do this have been several great world empires.

1. Through Pharaoh, the ruler of Egypt, when he ordered the slaughter of every male Hebrew child. (Exodus 1:5-22)

2. Through Shalmaneser, the ruler of Assyria, when he conquered the northern kingdom of Israel and carried away and dispersed ten of the twelve tribes into exile. (2 Kings 17:5,6)

3. Through Nebuchadnezzar, the ruler of Babylon, when he attacked Jerusalem, the capital of the southern Kingdom of Judea, and carried the rest of the Jews off into exile. (2 Kings 24:10-16)

4. Through Haman, the man appointed as second in command over the Medo/Persian Empire, when he attempted to have every Jew in the empire killed. (Esther 3:9)

5. Through Antiochus Epiphanes, the Greek ruler of Syria, when he laid siege to Jerusalem in what the Jewish Historian Josephus describes as one of the bloodiest sieges in Israel’s history. (Daniel 8:23-25; 1 Maccabees 1-6) 6

6. Through Titus, the Roman emperor, who attacked and captured Jerusalem, killing over 1.1 million Jews, and enslaving over 97,000. (Wars of the Jews, VI, ix, 3).

7. Through various Islamic and Christian empires, which we cannot fail to mention. Even Christianity (albeit in a perverted form) has been far from innocent in the bloody history of the Jewish people.

8. Through Adolf Hitler, who killed over six million Jews during World War II.

9. And eventually through the Antichrist and the False Prophet and their future empire, which is prophesied very clearly by the Prophets Zechariah and Ezekiel to attack Jerusalem and kill two thirds of the inhabitants of the nation of Israel. (Zechariah 13:8,9; Ezekiel 38)

Any thinking person at this point must stop and ask: What else can explain such a consistantly bloody and painful history of one people other than an inhuman demonic hatred? Who could instigate such a black and persistent attack against one people who represent such a very small fraction of one percent of the earth’s population - no matter where they dwell? Who else if not the very Devil himself? The history of the Jewish people alone is proof to the open mind that Satan exists and that he hates those whom God loves and declares to be the very, “apple of His eye.” (Zecheriah 2:8).


So with that I go back to my original question what was the ethnicity of the soldiers under Titus who destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70 (Daniel 9)? Surely they all weren't latin speaking white males from Italy like you see in Hollywood movies?

Thanks,

[TteFAboB]

Yes, Jews have always been a minority and they have their religion chained to their families. So you could actually define them, trace them, mark them. The perfect scapegoat.

[kiwi_2005]

question... why are the jew kicked out of so many places so many times???
why dosent the world just "get along" with u guys?

Because the Jews killed Jesus, their downfall for the rest of enterity. Jesus was not a prophet but the son the Word of God and Jews of those days couldn't believe that instead he must of been some evil dude and went out of their way to kill him - they were jealous that this one man could raise the dead, turn water into wine, walk on water and cure ppl plus also mock the Jewish beliefs - he had to go. Here was a good man that had no intention of evil yet they choose a murderer over Jesus to be saved??? Now we have christians countries siding for Jews, it shows the forgiveness the christain has, would Jews side with christain countries if it were the other way round?

[Yahoshua]

"Because the Jews killed Jesus, their downfall for the rest of enterity."

Explain how please. Seeing as how a quick reading of the Chrtistian bible would tell me that Pilate condemned the man to death and it was the Roman soldiers who pounded in the nails.

Who killed him?

And just to put things into perspective, who were this mans' alleged "parents," if they weren't Jews?

To bring that point out a bit further, shouldn't you be thanking us Jews for providing YOUR messiah? Or is that too far a stretch for a rabid anti-semite?

And Subserpent, even modern archaelogy has established that the nation of ancient Israel existed long before the nomadic tribes of the Arabian desert became an empire.


The perfect scapegoat.

More often than I'd like........and I'd prefer that consistent situation to be non-existent.

[kiwi_2005]

"Because the Jews killed Jesus, their downfall for the rest of enterity."

Explain how please. Seeing as how a quick reading of the Chrtistian bible would tell me that Pilate condemned the man to death and it was the Roman soldiers who pounded in the nails.

Who killed him?

And just to put things into perspective, who were this mans' alleged "parents," if they weren't Jews?

To bring that point out a bit further, shouldn't you be thanking us Jews for providing YOUR messiah? Or is that too far a stretch for a rabid anti-semite?



The perfect scapegoat.

More often than I'd like........and I'd prefer that consistent situation to be non-existent.

:lol: Well for one thing i want to get stright is i am not an anti-semite, im saying from a christain view thats what ive been told. Nor am i christain or belong to any other faith. I prefer God to judge me on my good deeds in my life not whether i belong to some nutty religious organisation who seem to fight over God. Where did i say Jesus wasn't a Jew? Jesus was jewish and was murdered by Jews because of his beliefs that threaten the Jewish law of the time. The man wasn't even evil yet he was crucified for speaking the word, saving lives and teaching good. A christain has said to me this is the Jews downfall.

[SubSerpent]

"Because the Jews killed Jesus, their downfall for the rest of enterity."

Explain how please. Seeing as how a quick reading of the Chrtistian bible would tell me that Pilate condemned the man to death and it was the Roman soldiers who pounded in the nails.

Who killed him?

And just to put things into perspective, who were this mans' alleged "parents," if they weren't Jews?

To bring that point out a bit further, shouldn't you be thanking us Jews for providing YOUR messiah? Or is that too far a stretch for a rabid anti-semite?



The perfect scapegoat.

More often than I'd like........and I'd prefer that consistent situation to be non-existent.

:lol: Well for one thing i want to get stright is i am not an anti-semite, im saying from a christain view thats what ive been told. Nor am i christain or belong to any other faith. I prefer God to judge me on my good deeds in my life not whether i belong to some nutty religious organisation who seem to fight over God. Where did i say Jesus wasn't a Jew? Jesus was jewish and was murdered by Jews because of his beliefs that threaten the Jewish law of the time. The man wasn't even evil yet he was crucified for speaking the word, saving lives and teaching good. A christain has said to me this is the Jews downfall.

It is their downfall and will continue to be their downfall until they accept Jesus Christ as their savior and repent their sins. Jews were the "apple in God's eye" until they betrayed him by killing Christ. Yes, the Romans nailed him to the cross, but it was the Jews that gave him up to be killed off for their defiance in believing that he was a holy person and the son of God. The Jews signed his death warrant and were too cowardly to do it themselves so they had the Romans do it instead. It's like hiring someone to kill someone you don't want to be around anymore. That makes you just as guilty if not even more so.

It wasn't the very act of nailing him to the cross that killed him either. It was the backstabbing and unfaithful Jews that watched him die on the cross and failed to accept him as the savior of mankind from Satan. Jews to this day still defy him and even talk badly about Christ. Of course Jews are going to constantly refuse to accept him because they constantly see that everything and everyone is against them and they viewed Christ as defying his own religion. They are a people who will always see a glass of water as half empty and always greed over and lust for bettering themselves instead of confiding and repenting to Christ. This is why all Jews will go to Hell when they die or until they accept Christ as their savior and repent their sins to him. This is why I choose not to associate myself with too many Jews. Why should I care for lost souls who are only destined to burn for all eternity?

[Gizzmoe]

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This thread is heading into the wrong direction, time to close it before it gets too hot in here.