Frame Rates and Memory

[MLF]

Most likely be hammered to death in the past, but I couldn't find any relevant info on the site.

I have just doubled the memory in my PC (512 to 1Gb) expecting an increase in Frame Rate - totally disappointed as no change at all.:cry: I have an NVidia 5500 with 256Mb Ram. Has anyone got any tips on how to get the fps above 15 when at sea with nothing in site. I have the following NVidia settings:-

System Performance - High Quality (doesn't seem to make much difference to frames rates)
Antialiasing - Application Controlled
Anisotropic - Application Controlled

MLF

[Rose]

I don't know the answer, but I'll venture a guess. I used to have 512 mb, then I upgraded to 2.5 gigs, and my FPS shot WAAY up. It runs so smoothly now. I have a GeForce 6800. It's probably just your video card. Do you have the latest drivers from the website?

PS: I believe the phrase you're looking for in your signature is "Je pense, donc je suis." Literally, "I think, so I am." (I think, therefore I am.)

[Warmonger]

PS: I believe the phrase you're looking for in your signature is "Je pense, donc je suis." Literally, "I think, so I am." (I think, therefore I am.)

Why not simply use the original?

"Cogito, ego sum." ;)

[Hybris]

"Vidi Vendi Veachi"
I came I saw I conquered

or in U-boat terms

I sailed I dove I torpedoed.

As for the frame rate issue I assume your running GW see if you have high rez sea floor on and also lower your partitcal rates. (By lowering the partitcals you maybe make it harder to shoot planes down because there will be no tracer to follow)

[MLF]

PS: I believe the phrase you're looking for in your signature is "Je pense, donc je suis." Literally, "I think, so I am." (I think, therefore I am.)

Mine is a twist - I think therefore I flee (run away, give up). No point in using something thats's already been used. :)

I'll try the particle solution suggested by Hybris and see what happens (not at my PC at the moment). Thanks for the responses.

MLF

[FIREWALL]

I don't know the answer, but I'll venture a guess. I used to have 512 mb, then I upgraded to 2.5 gigs, and my FPS shot WAAY up. It runs so smoothly now. I have a GeForce 6800. It's probably just your video card. Do you have the latest drivers from the website?

PS: I believe the phrase you're looking for in your signature is "Je pense, donc je suis." Literally, "I think, so I am." (I think, therefore I am.)Hi Rose If thats latin would you please translate "Death before Dishoner" for me please. thanks in advance and Good Hunting:)

[MLF]

[quote=HybrisAs for the frame rate issue I assume your running GW see if you have high rez sea floor on and also lower your partitcal rates. (By lowering the partitcals you maybe make it harder to shoot planes down because there will be no tracer to follow)[/quote]

Hybris

I have low res sea floor (file size sand01 and stone01 - 128Kb). I reduced particles from 100% to 50% - still stuck at 15fps. :cry: . I have the NVidia 9.147 drivers. I think they are the latest. I also have an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ processor.
MLF

[Garrincha]

seriously off topic:

bar latin: "vidi vici veni!"

cheers,
Garrincha

[MLF]

Please, Please Please!!!!:roll: Getting back to Frame rates. Any ideas, help at all, please? I've tried all suggested and I still only get 15. I would have expected to see some difference by doubling the memory????

MLF

[Albrecht Von Hesse]

Ditto. I keep seeing signs of people with 150 - 200 frame rates, and I'm lucky to get anything over 20. I'll pop a cork o' champagne if I ever see 30.

[stabiz]

Please, Please Please!!!!:roll: Getting back to Frame rates. Any ideas, help at all, please? I've tried all suggested and I still only get 15. I would have expected to see some difference by doubling the memory????

MLF

My guess is that it is the video card. The 5500 is getting old. Is it AGP8x or Pci Express 16x?

It is clearly not the prosesor, as I had the the same one a little while ago. With that processor, 1,5 gig RAM and a 6600GT 256MB AGP card I often had around 70-90 fps with GW.

What about power? A weak power supply will let you down. (There is a sticker on the side of the unit inside your cabinet)

[Warmonger]

seriously off topic:

bar latin: "vidi vici veni!"

cheers,
Garrincha

Wrong order. It's "Veni, vidi, vici." ;)

But back to topic now...

[THE_MASK]

Get yourself at least a ATI X800pro or something similar (Really cheap now) . Its the graphics card that runs the game .

[CybaGirl]

Could be combination of things like video card, CPU, hard drive, memory, cache and so on. As all these have a bearing on the peformance of a game. But what you will find is that the video card is the most important thing.

You can have a super dooper fast processer and even run SCSI or Raptor drives. But thing is if the video card can't keep up then its all pointless ;) ..

What kind of CPU are you using?

I am assuming that your video card is a direct X9 card being part of the FX series of video cards. Which I am assuming is an AGP card to?

[Redwine]

seriously off topic:

bar latin: "vidi vici veni!"

cheers,
Garrincha

Wrong order. It's "Veni, vidi, vici." ;)

But back to topic now...

Thats correct... "Veni, vedi, et vinci...." (Julius Cesare), traslation may be..... Come here (MF), look around (SOAB), et vinci (if you can... piece of sh....) :rotfl:


About the FPS....

Hi MLF.... if you have problems with FPS, you can try some things.

At first attempt to uninstall you game, defrag your HD, and make a fresh install over a recently defragmented HD.

Do not set you control panel at "High Quality", adjust it at "Best Performance"

Do not let AA and AF set at "Aplication Controlled", adjust them to OFF.

Check the timming of you memories, check if both memories has the same settings, install them one by one and check this data.

You can adjust this in Auto into the motherboard Bios.

Attempt to use not too much high resolution tetures.

Attempt to move a little bit down the particles slider.

Do not use high refresh rate into your monitor, and disable Vertical Syncro into game and control panel.


Attempt to use End It ALL 2 to close all unnedded programs running into the background.

Attempt to use Security Task Manager or similar to close all unneeded servive and proccess runing into the background.

Attempt to use some programs to defrag memory as :
FreeRAM XP Pro, Game Optimizer, Game XP or similar...

If you are using an ONBOARD sound card..... attempt to install a PCI sound card, onboard cards "eats" the CPU resources.
I was having problems with FPS too, in the critical moments, FPS was down to 7FPS even 3 FPS, i was using an Onboard SoundMax.
After install a PCI sound card, in the critical moments, FPS drops down to 30/40 as minimun.... a really great improvement. I installed a X-fi XtremeMusic.

There was more expensive cards, as the X-Fi Fatal1ty, it has its own 64MB RAM included, i dont buyed it because i was not sure if the add of a PcI sound card could bring an improivement, but after seen the performance increase, i really think it may be a good option too, but it is too much more expensive.

Instead the XtremeMusic is an 100 one, the Fatal1ty is a 250 one.

Finally attempt to maintain your system cleaned and optimized, you can use CCleaner or similar.

Perform registry clean every day, yoiu can use jv16 Tools or similar.

Maintain the system clean of waste, spy and others, use Ad-Aware, Spy Boot and other similar, clean your system every day.

Good luck ! :up:

[MLF]

Hi all.

Thanks for the replies. As Stabiz and Cybagirl say, I am starting to suspect the graphics card is the problem as I really would have expected some increase in FPS with more memory and it didn't happen. The graphics card is all that is left in the equation.

Thanks for the suggestions Redwine - I'll work my way through them. Some I have already tried but it made little/no difference - again pointing at the graphics card. Looks like I'll have to bite the bullet and blow the dust off the wallet again.

By the way, Redwine. I now have real fog and reduced visibility. While trying to increase the frame rate I installed the latest NVidia drivers and that cured the no fog or reduced vis problem if you remember the screenshots I sent you - so not all bad news.

MLF

[Shikkapow]

How much crap do you have running in the background?

disable anti virus, and run end it all 2
End it all used to be free, but I'm sure you can still find a copy of it somewhere. It shuts down all the background programs that are not needed for widows to run, and really frees up the processor and memory.

[NightCrawler]

How much crap do you have running in the background?

disable anti virus, and run end it all 2
End it all used to be free, but I'm sure you can still find a copy of it somewhere. It shuts down all the background programs that are not needed for widows to run, and really frees up the processor and memory.
Thats another sollution.
But download the latest GPX driver is a must too...

keep an eye every 2 montch on ya GPX brand card, online, and download the drivers(BE SURE YOU DELETE THE OLD DRIVERS FIRST)....

than install the new drivers and reboot comp(require)... than play again...



I have 524MB NON ECC/ECC combo
have Radeon 9000 128MB(dual monitor) but plays on the 17inch the game...
P4 1.7Mhz

Now saving money for a new TOY!!!! HAIL AMD 64x2 5000+ with Quad card wooohooo:rock: PCI-E BABY and bridged with another PCI card for extra support

you can config the toy online at http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/

You build, they kick the stuff in, and you play!!!
But... i wait when Windows Vista comes out, Vista have some awesome gizmo that works with USB-mem sticks

quote of vista

" Windows SuperFetch helps manage memory to get the most out of available RAM while Windows ReadyBoost helps make PCs more responsive by using flash memory devices (like USB thumb drives) to boost performance."

Need memories?
just buy a 5 port USB HUB and buy some USB 1 or 2GB and use that as a memory for the computer, no more open the case, and pry the regular mem out and slide the new mem in... no more hassle :damn:

And for now on(if i have windows Vista) all the background programm will be loaded from the USB sticks, and keep the regular mem free for other things :P

[Respenus]

As we all know SH3 is a memory hog.

I have the E6300 Core 2 DUO, GeForce 6700 GT 256MB with passive cooling and most important 2 GB DDR II RAM. Now there si where you can actually see a difference. My GW moded SH3 needs around 800-900 MB of RAM, just loading a mission, I don't even want to think about battle scenes or anything else.

I games looks nicer now, not just because of the graphic card, but because I have loads of RAM and it's fast. And maybe the CPU adds something to the whole picture.

My advice, get atleast 2GB RAM, preferably DDR II to get THE BEST perfomance. The game works just nice with other comps.

[AVGWarhawk]

Just about everyone is correct on this matter. I was running an NVida 5200 and it ran SH3 very well, with exceptions of ports but I think everyone has a stutter issue or two in the ports.

1. Clean up the registry. I use Registry Clean..Best Buy $29.99.
2. Make sure Windows is controlling your new RAM. I had an issue were I set the RAM usage to my liking and it killed my games. I set it back to Windows control of the RAM and that was that. The swapping of files off the hard drive sucks.:nope:
3. Shut off anitvirus especially Norton is you have it....that programs checks everything including what the cat left in the litterbox. It checks and rechecks and rechecks.....make sure you turn it on after your done the game.
4. Shut of background stuff but this should not be necessary as you have enough RAM to run the background stuff.
5. Get a new card with 256MB on it. Makes a world of difference. Best Buy and Compusa have cards on sale all the time....this weekend they were giving away at great prices some decent cards.

[Redwine]

Thanks for the suggestions Redwine - I'll work my way through them. Some I have already tried but it made little/no difference - again pointing at the graphics card. Looks like I'll have to bite the bullet and blow the dust off the wallet again.

I forget... attempt to set your virtual memory at fixed min and max values, max value accepted by W XP is 4096, so set min 4092 in example and max 4096.

You can use CPUZ and better PC Wizard both free to check wich timing settings are the best for your memory banks.


By the way, Redwine. I now have real fog and reduced visibility. While trying to increase the frame rate I installed the latest NVidia drivers and that cured the no fog or reduced vis problem if you remember the screenshots I sent you - so not all bad news.

MLF

Good to know !! :up:

[Roads88]

Thanks for the info everyone, especialy Redwine.

I have been looking for a thread like this one.:up:

My FPS have dropped to one (1) several times. I pretty sure its the cheapo video card. I'm dropping some bucks into a new system after Christmas. New motherboard, cpu, ram and video card(s). Perhaps you would care to answer a question:

Without a program such as SHIII or SHIV being written to take advantage of it. Is it worth while to go with a two video card set up verses a one card set up with the same total amount and kind of ram? if so, why?

Thanks in advance

[Potoroo]

Without a program such as SHIII or SHIV being written to take advantage of it. Is it worth while to go with a two video card set up verses a one card set up with the same total amount and kind of ram? if so, why?
No. In an SLI setup, for example, the second card is simply ignored when running a non-SLI enabled game. When running an SLI-enabled game you'll get maybe 30%-40% frame rate improvement. I personally regard SLI and Crossfire as hugely overrated and always go for the best single card I can afford.

[stabiz]

Thanks for the info everyone, especialy Redwine.

I have been looking for a thread like this one.:up:

My FPS have dropped to one (1) several times. I pretty sure its the cheapo video card. I'm dropping some bucks into a new system after Christmas. New motherboard, cpu, ram and video card(s). Perhaps you would care to answer a question:

Without a program such as SHIII or SHIV being written to take advantage of it. Is it worth while to go with a two video card set up verses a one card set up with the same total amount and kind of ram? if so, why?

Thanks in advance
Go for a powerful single card. It is cheaper, since you will have power-issues, cooling-issues, etc, with a twin setup. Besides, SH3 doesn`t support sli/crossfire, as potoroo says.

Another thing: Two 256MB cards in SLI or Croissfire will not give you 512MB, but 256MB. There is a performance gain, of course, but rarely what you would think.

[AVGWarhawk]

Without a program such as SHIII or SHIV being written to take advantage of it. Is it worth while to go with a two video card set up verses a one card set up with the same total amount and kind of ram? if so, why? No. In an SLI setup, for example, the second card is simply ignored when running a non-SLI enabled game. When running an SLI-enabled game you'll get maybe 30%-40% frame rate improvement. I personally regard SLI and Crossfire as hugely overrated and always go for the best single card I can afford.

I agree with Potoroo here on this. It seems SLI is overrated at the moment. Get the good quality single card and be happy:D

[Rose]

I don't know the answer, but I'll venture a guess. I used to have 512 mb, then I upgraded to 2.5 gigs, and my FPS shot WAAY up. It runs so smoothly now. I have a GeForce 6800. It's probably just your video card. Do you have the latest drivers from the website?

PS: I believe the phrase you're looking for in your signature is "Je pense, donc je suis." Literally, "I think, so I am." (I think, therefore I am.)Hi Rose If thats latin would you please translate "Death before Dishoner" for me please. thanks in advance and Good Hunting:)

Sorry Firewall, its French. I don't take Latin, so I can't help you there. Maybe someone else can...?

[_Seth_]

PS: I believe the phrase you're looking for in your signature is "Je pense, donc je suis." Literally, "I think, so I am." (I think, therefore I am.)
Why not simply use the original?

"Cogito, ego sum." ;)
Its "cogito, ergo sum" ,AKA I think, therefore i am. It was established by the french philosopher Rene Descartes. It turned the philosophy around, from the "outro-spective" view to the "intro-spective", where the human was in center. Its also called "the cartesian philosophy".

YES, IT'S OT!!

[NightCrawler]

Like minimum system require vs recommended system, it seems every simmer bought the SHIII and found out that SHIII need more mem than it said on the box....

So game cost $$$ included popping some more rams cost $$$, or for some gamers even a GPX card to run the game....

I added with luck 512MB it runs ok, but my system getting old thats for sure...

[Roads88]

Thanks for the info guys. You made the choice easy. I have to check my power supply. I think its a 300w. A 450w supply will probley be in order. They are not hard to swap so i can do it anytime.

Thanks again!:up: :up: :up:

[_Seth_]

Its just 6 months since i upgraded my computer, to run SH3 without any problems... I guess i'll have to spend more money when SHIV is released. Anyway, i hope that GWX isnt so demanding on my hardware...:up:

[Rose]

PS: I believe the phrase you're looking for in your signature is "Je pense, donc je suis." Literally, "I think, so I am." (I think, therefore I am.)
Why not simply use the original?

"Cogito, ego sum." ;)
Its "cogito, ergo sum" ,AKA I think, therefore i am. It was established by the french philosopher Rene Descartes. It turned the philosophy around, from the "outro-spective" view to the "intro-spective", where the human was in center. Its also called "the cartesian philosophy".

YES, IT'S OT!!

Sorry for continuing to go OT, but he wanted Death Before Dishoner translated, not I think, therefore, I am.

[Potoroo]

Hi Rose If thats latin would you please translate "Death before Dishoner" for me please.
Potius Mori Quam Foedari is the usual translation (note, on the net you'll find variations including foedar and foedare but the passive infinitive seems to me best). A reasonable alternative would be Malo Mori Quam Foedari.

Both literally render as "I rather/prefer to die than be disgraced".
I have to check my power supply. I think its a 300w. A 450w supply will probley be in order.
Total wattage is not a reliable indicator of a PSU's capacity anymore. What matters these days is your total 12v capacity. IOW, there's no point buying a 450w PSU if it's only got 20A on the 12v rail(s) and you need 25A. Get that right and the 5v and 3.3v will follow. That said, you can get a reasonable estimate of your system's power requirements at http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp.

[_Seth_]

PS: I believe the phrase you're looking for in your signature is "Je pense, donc je suis." Literally, "I think, so I am." (I think, therefore I am.)
Why not simply use the original?

"Cogito, ego sum." ;)
Its "cogito, ergo sum" ,AKA I think, therefore i am. It was established by the french philosopher Rene Descartes. It turned the philosophy around, from the "outro-spective" view to the "intro-spective", where the human was in center. Its also called "the cartesian philosophy".

YES, IT'S OT!!
Sorry for continuing to go OT, but he wanted Death Before Dishoner translated, not I think, therefore, I am.

I'm not good in latin, but i love a little cartesian philosophy in the morning...:rotfl::rotfl:

[Warmonger]

*beep*start OT*beep*



PS: I believe the phrase you're looking for in your signature is "Je pense, donc je suis." Literally, "I think, so I am." (I think, therefore I am.)
Why not simply use the original?

"Cogito, ego sum." ;)
Its "cogito, ergo sum" ,AKA I think, therefore i am. It was established by the french philosopher Rene Descartes. It turned the philosophy around, from the "outro-spective" view to the "intro-spective", where the human was in center. Its also called "the cartesian philosophy".

YES, IT'S OT!!

According to Wikipedia the Latin original was "Cogito, ego sum", later changed to "ergo" by Descartes. ;)


*beep*end OT*beep*

[Roads88]

Total wattage is not a reliable indicator of a PSU's capacity anymore. What matters these days is your total 12v capacity. IOW, there's no point buying a 450w PSU if it's only got 20A on the 12v rail(s) and you need 25A. Get that right and the 5v and 3.3v will follow. That said, you can get a reasonable estimate of your system's power requirements at http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp.

Thanks, I will check it out.:ping:

[Redwine]

Go for a powerful single card. It is cheaper, since you will have power-issues, cooling-issues, etc, with a twin setup. Besides, SH3 doesn`t support sli/crossfire, as potoroo says.


Recently, Dual Core GPU are in the horizon...

Two GPU on a single card, with 2x512 MB.

It works the same as a pack in SLI, but into a single slot, and it is cheapest than two cards in SLI.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/382/1/

I think so it is the future incoming....

[Garrincha]

seriously off topic:

bar latin: "vidi vici veni!"

cheers,
Garrincha

Wrong order. It's "Veni, vidi, vici." ;)

But back to topic now...


that's why it's bar latin :smug:

[Redwine]

Now saving money for a new TOY!!!! HAIL AMD 64x2 5000+ with Quad card wooohooo:rock: PCI-E BABY and bridged with another PCI card for extra support

Are you talking about Aegya/Ageya PPU PCI card ?
Does it works or is it supported by SH3 ?

Or are you talking of an SLI combo ?



quote of vista

" Windows SuperFetch helps manage memory to get the most out of available RAM while Windows ReadyBoost helps make PCs more responsive by using flash memory devices (like USB thumb drives) to boost performance."

Need memories? just buy a 5 port USB HUB and buy some USB 1 or 2GB and use that as a memory for the computer, no more open the case, and pry the regular mem out and slide the new mem in... no more hassle :damn:
And for now on(if i have windows Vista) all the background programm will be loaded from the USB sticks, and keep the regular mem free for other things :P

Can you explain that ? Is it a feature of Vista ? :up: :up:




As we all know SH3 is a memory hog.

My advice, get atleast 2GB RAM, preferably DDR II to get THE BEST perfomance. The game works just nice with other comps.

Thats true... i am using 3Gb RAM and still having FPS troubles at "bottle necks", with a 3.4Ghz CPU.

The add of a PCI sound card improves a lot my system, the onboard one, "eats" my resources.:up:





2. Make sure Windows is controlling your new RAM. I had an issue were I set the RAM usage to my liking and it killed my games. I set it back to Windows control of the RAM and that was that. The swapping of files off the hard drive sucks.:nope:

Are you talking about RAM or Virtual Memory ? I use third party little programs to give priority to games on RAM and CPU, but in Virtual memory i manually adjusted ti to its maximun value... do you have better results when windows controls it ?

:up: :up: