Diets: All about FOOD and that's no Bush.it!

[SubSerpent]

My wife is curious about the Atkins diet. I think this is a very BAD diet, so I am discouraging her from it. She wants a long term diet and I think Atkins should only be for a short term since it's all about eating meats pretty much or foods with low- to-no carbs in them.

Anyone got any diets that have worked for them or know how someone lost weight on a long term diet and which long term diet did they use?

[Yahoshua]

Avoiding pork, shellfish, and fast-food is a good place to start.

A book I recommend is called "The Makers' Diet" by Jordan Rubin

The main focus is about keeping a diet which keeps us healthy. And the book does bring up alot of questions about the diet of people today in relation to lifespan.

For example, we read in the scriptures that G-d made the days of man 120 years, yet on average we in the human race don't even live to be 80! So what gives?

Some of the answer is that in todays' world we have more pollution that becomes absorbed by the plants (toxins) and is then absorbed by our bodies when we ingest those plants, effectively poisoning ourselves to death 3 times daily (or however many square meals a day you eat).

But anyway, I'll let the book speak for itself.

Website here:

http://www.makersdiet.com/publicsite/funnel/index.aspx?promo=8E69624F-08CE-4B4E-BBF3-F5347DACA2AB

[d@rk51d3]

Yeah, skip the processed / refined foods , they'll kill ya(easier said than done).

[Neutrino 123]

Here the way one should determine what to eat:

1. Gather all the different kinds of food and drink that you like to eat.

2. Plot the nutritional values on a Microsoft Excel sheet for all the foods and drinks, and set up a calculation where you enter the weekly number of each food, and then the total calories and other nutritional data is displayed in a new column.

3. Plot a weekly diet to give you balanced nutrion. 2000 calories per day will maintain weight unless you get alot of exercise, in which case you will need more calories. To lose weight, make your weekly diet ahve foods totaling about 1500 calories per day. Based on a calculation I did, this shouls make you lose about a pound per week, more if you get alot of exercise.

4. Using excel, spread the foods out evenly on a weekly grid, so that each day has a reasonably balanced diet.

5. When purchasing food, if one item is unavalible, attempt to substitue a similar item with the same amount of calories.

6. Plot you weight everyday on another Excel sheet, taken at the same time every day.

7. Continue the diet, modifying it if you get sick of certain foods or they become unavalible. Once the desired weight is obtained, switch back to about 2000 calories per day for a couple weeks and check if this maintains weight. If it does, then keep that weekly number. If not then adjust as necessary to prevent additional weight gain or losss.

Using this method, you can be sure that you always get the right number of calories (which are the determinant of weight gain or loss). All other diet methods are crap, since they are unscientific. This method is also superior since you can plot as many different nutrients as you want, to insure a weight maintaining AND a healthy diet.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I think the Ornish diet is really good.

http://www.amazon.com/Ornishs-Program-Reversing-Heart-Disease/dp/0804110387/sr=8-1/qid=1159943276/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-6391446-4046448?ie=UTF8&s=books

That book covers not only diet but lifestyle changes.

[Konovalov]

I have heard that the Atkins diet makes you fart like there is no tomorrow. :o

[d@rk51d3]

And when that starts, running silent ain't gonna save you.:dead:

[Skybird]

Montignac. I know three people who very substantially and enduringly reduced their weight by that (on eof them from 110 kg to below 80 over six months - it's true), I myself control it easily with that, too. for my height, 80kg is a bit much, I'm at 74 now, and lost those six kilos in three months. The method does not count calories (which is stupid! it also does not work), but differs between carbohydrates that cause only a low spike in glycaemic increase, and those that lead to a huge glycaemic spike. You are allowed (and required!) to eat of the first as much you want, while the latter is banned. the ,method even needs you to eat as much as you want, for hunger only reduces the energy consummation of the body - which reduces the efficiency of any "hunger diet". No hunger, no loss in eating and life quality. You just learn to choose wisely. It does not overly focus on fat, or meat - eat as much meat as you want. Of the regular basic foods, the only really obvious loss you may realize is that potatoes in general are considered to be not positive (extremely high glycaemic index value), switch to rice and noodles. but the cooking methods are important sometimes (high temepratures transform carbohydrates in that way that they cause higher glycaemic reactions - cooked potatoes and pommes frites are different for that reason, as is soft noddles and short-cooked Spaghetti al dente).

It centers around a list that presents every food with a glycaemic index value - the lower, the better. More and more doctors become aware of it, too, it is very successful in europe. Due the the diversity in food you are still allowed to eat, there is no health risks from one-sided food habits.The method also is good becasue it teaches you to avoid all that unhealthy crap food and ready-meals supermarkets are filled with, all that industrially-produced bad stuff, bad fats and oils, tons of salts and chemical ingredients, raffinaded sugar, etc.

Think of it less as a diet, but more of a learning a new food and eating habit. If you do so, you will never have weight problems again. It is no typical diet for a given period of time, but a re-education.

there are many books by Montignac - why also is a hobby cook. So, many books are fiulled with recipes, and not of the easiest kinds. Ignore that, you must not cook complicated, you just choose the recommended food - and do with it what you want. The many cooking books are money-making only. Ignore them. A good basic book is "Die Montignac Methode" (Je mange donc je maigris - et je reste mince), published in German in 1999, but I have no idea which of the many English titles matches that. It is compact and includes all what you need to know.

[STEED]

Diets are a fad and a waste of time, just eat in moderation and have a good brisk walk in the fresh air and drink lots of water. :)

[SubSerpent]

Thanks Guys,


Wife says, "Thanks" for your ideas. She says , "They are all helpful".

Thanks again:up:

[Spoon 11th]

1. Decide your new weight that you want to keep for the rest of your life (somewhere between BMI 20-25 presumably if you're not a muscle man).

2. Find out how much is the basic daily energy consumption (without hard exercise) for that weight (adjusted with your age) in calories. (For me 81 kg, 184 cm, BMI 24, age 34 equals about 2600 kcal)

3. Study and learn the theory of eating
3.1 Your daily calories should consist of 30 percent from fat, 15 percent from proteins, 55 percent from carbs.
3.2 Eat 5-6 times a day to keep constant metabolism. Never skip any meal. (especially when losing weight).
3.3 read the food packages for how much they contain calories and in what proportions (fat, carbs, proteins) and write them down to a list, so that this counting thing needs to be done only once.
3.4 Counting calories is not stupid. I think it's necessary so that you know that you get enough calories from fat and enough proteins every day. At least 1 gram of protein per kg of body weight.
3.5 Construct the main meals (breakfast, lunch, supper) so that you get as close as possible the right proportions of calories on each meal. Don't fear fat. It's impossible to get the required 30 percent of calories from fat if you buy low fat stuff. The main meals' size should each be about 25 percent of the total daily calories. The rest 25 percent from evening snack and in between snack. Prefer to eat apples and other fruits for snack not donuts.
3.6 When losing weight shrink the size of the main meals. Daily calory shortage should be about 500 kcal per day no more. So from each meal shrink about 160 kcal. This way you will lose 1 pound of weight each week.
3.7 If you are a "food junkie" and it's difficult to resist hunger drink green tea between meals. It's wise to drink it anyways, since it's functional food.
3.8 Don't forget to eat fiber.

4 Exercise for one hour each day with good sweat and heartbeat. This way you can eat more.

[STEED]

BMI is a load of rubbish and is out of date for example a fit rugby player or weight lifter would be classed as clinically over weight because of there weight which is mussel.

[Immacolata]

Im with STeed partially on the dietary idea. Eat less generally. Unless you are an elite sportsman or work in the fields all day, or other physical labor, you need surprisingly little food. Reduce the candy and treats intake for a start. Eat less overall!

[Fish]

My wife is curious about the Atkins diet. I think this is a very BAD diet, so I am discouraging her from it. She wants a long term diet and I think Atkins should only be for a short term since it's all about eating meats pretty much or foods with low- to-no carbs in them.

Anyone got any diets that have worked for them or know how someone lost weight on a long term diet and which long term diet did they use?

Yes, three times a day a good meal. Water in between.:up:

[d@rk51d3]

And plenty of ........... erm, exercise:oops:

[SubSerpent]

And plenty of ........... erm, exercise:oops:


HAH!!! Got that one covered! :up: ;)

[madDdog67]

Eat like a cave man...if you can hook it, stab it, or pick it off a tree, it's good for you! Of course, running down the street with a spear *may* get you a hard look from the local constabulary...and I'm sure the local fruit growers may have a thing or two to say about your liberating their product, but what the hey. :D

I would post a dandy link to the Mayo Clinics article on the Peleolithic diet, but I'm a victim of the infamous Firefox "no cut/paste" bug...but you can goole it.

[tycho102]

My wife is curious about the Atkins diet. I think this is a very BAD diet, so I am discouraging her from it.

It's not a "bad" diet. If you are obese, and need open-heart surgery, there is a tremendous amount of benefit to the Atikins diet.

Instead of the diet, buy your wife an iPod and an elleptical machine. Call it an early Christmas present. Load up the iPod with music, and take 20 minute turns on the machine as often as you can. If you want to make things more interesting, *you* work out on the machine a couple times a day.....naked.

[SubSerpent]

My wife is curious about the Atkins diet. I think this is a very BAD diet, so I am discouraging her from it.

It's not a "bad" diet. If you are obese, and need open-heart surgery, there is a tremendous amount of benefit to the Atikins diet.

Instead of the diet, buy your wife an iPod and an elleptical machine. Call it an early Christmas present. Load up the iPod with music, and take 20 minute turns on the machine as often as you can. If you want to make things more interesting, *you* work out on the machine a couple times a day.....naked.


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