More PC Madness

[STEED]

The Met Police are banned from saying the word yob.


Banned: Police ordered to stop calling young tearaways 'yobs'


By Ben Leapman, Home Affairs Correspondent

(Filed: 01/10/2006)





They are the menacing youths who hang about in gangs, causing trouble. For decades they have been known as "yobs". It has been rare for anybody to have a good word to say about them.
But now, it seems, police officers are going to have to find a more "polite" way to describe the nation's troublemakers, because Scotland Yard has banned its officers from using the word "yob", for fear that it might alienate young people. The edict has the backing of Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, and will gird his reputation as "the PC pc".
Not a yob, but a tearaway or ne'er-do-well

The ban applies to all reports submitted by officers to the Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA), which oversees the force. It was imposed last week after a "safer neighbourhoods" report by Chief Supt Stephen Bloomfield, put before MPA members, disclosed that Scotland Yard was "pro-actively tackling gangs and yobs across London".
Objecting at the meeting, Cindy Butts, the MPA's deputy chairman, told Sir Ian that the term was "alienating" and added: "I have a problem with the language of 'yobs'. It sort of sets up and defines too much a 'self' and 'other'."
Asst Commissioner Tim Godwin replied: "I agree. I'm sorry about that. We won't use that again."
Afterwards AC Godwin confirmed that the use of "yobs" would not be repeated in Met documentation and was now officially banned. He claimed that "yobs" could be taken as a slur on groups of law-abiding youngsters who gather for innocent reasons. He said: "It can reflect on groups of youths who congregate, rather than those who carry out criminal activity. We have to be careful because of the need to engage with young people."
Critics condemned the ban. Richard Barnes, a Conservative on the MPA, said: "We have to use words which are in common parlance, as long as they are not insulting. When we hear the word 'yobs' we all know what we're talking about."
It remains unclear whether "hoodlums", "tearaways" or "ne'er-do-wells" will be seen as acceptable substitutes for the dreaded y-word. However, the restriction is unlikely to be obeyed by politicians on all sides who regularly berate yobs.
"Yob" is a rare example of backslang, a 19th-century cockney underworld parlance, and is simply "boy" spelt backwards. Tony Blair used the word in the Commons in 2004, while Labour pledged in its 2005 manifesto to "exclude yobs from town centres".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/01/nyob01.xml

[Linton]

There was me thinking it was something about computers.Soon the constabulary will be just a uniformed pension fund who pray on the occasional motorist.
Nice to see you back Steed-you have been missed.

[STEED]

Just dropped in for half hour only. :cry:

[Perilscope]

In the dictionary website:
Yob = A rowdy, aggressive, or violent young man.

And they want to replace the YOB word with:
Tearaway = A wild, reckless person.
ne'er-do-well = worthless; ineffectual; good-for-nothing.

Scotland Yard has banned its officers from using the word "yob", for fear that it might alienate young people.
As far I concerned, the two last words are as bad. At the end it's all the same, and they waist time with stupid formalities. Here, French or English, we call them bums. :D

[VipertheSniper]

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=268492

I wouldn't say it's all PC madness, although a yob should still be called a yob, it's the associations that come with the word through the media, that enforce prejudice.

[TteFAboB]

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Can't overexposure the nuts.

They are what they are, call them as you like, they continue to be what they are.

Retard, mentally challenged, special.

Yobs are all of those too.

[XabbaRus]

Steed, did you read about the WPC (Woman Police Constable for non Brits) who confiscated conkers from the boys who had been chucking sticks into a tree to get them down.

Madness. I used to do that as a kid and no one cared.

[CB..]

you know it is ironic...a person suffering from a mental illnes can be arrested stuffed against his her will into the back of a van and kept without charge in a secure unit forcibly injected with drugs even physicaly assaulted in the process (if they resist etc) all perfectly legaly AND (here's the important bit) on the basis that they MAY pose a danger to the public ...but the police cannot call some idiot with a knife (who poses a far greater risk to the public statisticaly AND intentionaly) a "YOB"

maybe they should declare the carrying of a knife for the purpose of theatening or carrying out bodily harm on another person a sign of serious mental illness...6 months in a mental institution pumped full of tranqualisers would give them something to moan about:rotfl:

it IS ironic is it not that those who are patently and deliberately setting out to menace the public are treated with far greater "respect" than those who are simply ill..maybe it's time to re-evaluate what we consider mental illness and treat them accordingly??

no trail is needed , nor does any crime need to have been commited in order to indefinitely detain some-one whom is considered to be mentaly ill...these are powers the anti terrorism units could only dream of...

fascinating really...just how bizaare and disjointed the whole legal approach is

[Konovalov]

Steed, did you read about the WPC (Woman Police Constable for non Brits) who confiscated conkers from the boys who had been chucking sticks into a tree to get them down.

Madness. I used to do that as a kid and no one cared.

Stupid isn't it. At a time where youth say they have nothing to do and hence turn to gangs and trouble you'd think the police would act a little more prudently.

I viewed an even more ridiculous story last night watching BBC News on the TV. A local Council here in Britain have fenced off a perimeter around a pear or apple tree in a public park and have stuck up warning signs warning the public not to cross the safety tape because of falling fruit! Whole sections of the park are now becoming off limits to the public because of "falling debris" from trees. OH & S (Occupational Health and Safety) and the liability culture is going too far. :damn:

[Skybird]

:lol:

[joea]

Is "chav" still legal? :hmm:

[STEED]

Steed, did you read about the WPC (Woman Police Constable for non Brits) who confiscated conkers from the boys who had been chucking sticks into a tree to get them down.

Madness. I used to do that as a kid and no one cared.

Stupid isn't it. At a time where youth say they have nothing to do and hence turn to gangs and trouble you'd think the police would act a little more prudently.

I viewed an even more ridiculous story last night watching BBC News on the TV. A local Council here in Britain have fenced off a perimeter around a pear or apple tree in a public park and have stuck up warning signs warning the public not to cross the safety tape because of falling fruit! Whole sections of the park are now becoming off limits to the public because of "falling debris" from trees. OH & S (Occupational Health and Safety) and the liability culture is going too far. :damn:

Hey Guys, your forgetting the school that allowed conkers as long as the children wore a safety hat and glasses. :doh:

[CB..]

lets just be gratefull conkers aren't considered sacred objects by the Muslims other wise the whole thing would get banned..hey cows are considered sacred creatures by the Hindus (have i got that right?) so why is it we slaughter them by the million...oh hang on i remember..the Hindus don't have a military wing of extreme terrorists...(at least round here any way)...

oh hang on that still can't be correct...why?

because it's governmental policy to not negotiate with terrorists....

oh damn..now i'm really confused...

talk about being kept in the dark and being fed a lot of bull****....yet more spin doctered PC lies

now then i was kinda under the impression that we were supposed to be discouraging acts of terrorism violence etc etc as a method of obtaining your pet desire political ambition yadda yadda yadda....

yet we reward terrorism with just about everything it could possibly wish for ..whilst denying validity and importance to the desires of other groups who don't use terrorism to get their wishes heard....

hmm dang it...bowt time some one some where started telling the truth...

we DO negotiate with terrorists in fact we rarely negotiate with any group that does not have terrorists....ahh that's more like the truth...:yep:

funny old world

[Konovalov]

lets just be gratefull conkers aren't considered sacred objects by the Muslims other wise the whole thing would get banned..hey cows are considered sacred creatures by the Hindus (have i got that right?)

Just to give you a little insight CB. My wife and her side of the family originate from Kashmir. They are Muslim and they don't eat beef. Why do they not eat beef I hear you ask? It is because where they originated from was a Hindu area and cows should not be slaughtered for meat obviously. So they ate and still do only eat chicken and lamb. So please don't heap us all in the same boat as fanatical, crazy, intolerant nutters. It seems I can barely avoid a thread without some reference to "the Muslims" this and that ra ra ra. Can't people just give it a rest once in a while.

[CB..]

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Just to give you a little insight CB. My wife and her side of the family originate from Kashmir. They are Muslim and they don't eat beef. Why do they not eat beef I hear you ask? It is because where they originated from was a Hindu area and cows should not be slaughtered for meat obviously. So they ate and still do only eat chicken and lamb. So please don't heap us all in the same boat as fanatical, crazy, intolerant nutters. It seems I can barely avoid a thread without some reference to "the Muslims" this and that ra ra ra. Can't people just give it a rest once in a while.

that might be a fine argument in a daily soap opera but not in real life...lets not forget what might happen to all the moderate Muslims if the extremists get into power...they will no longer have the luxury of choice same as the rest of us...take a paper cup place a small lead weight in the bottom...and put it in a bowl of water...then take a pin and insert it through the side of the cup below the water line...then remove the pin...do this a few more times...sooner or later the cup will sink:damn:

[STEED]

lets not forget what might happen to all the moderate Muslims if the extremists get into power...

Just watch a percentage of them change sides and wave the sword in the air. This PC crap is helping them just to do that. :nope:

[Konovalov]

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Just to give you a little insight CB. My wife and her side of the family originate from Kashmir. They are Muslim and they don't eat beef. Why do they not eat beef I hear you ask? It is because where they originated from was a Hindu area and cows should not be slaughtered for meat obviously. So they ate and still do only eat chicken and lamb. So please don't heap us all in the same boat as fanatical, crazy, intolerant nutters. It seems I can barely avoid a thread without some reference to "the Muslims" this and that ra ra ra. Can't people just give it a rest once in a while.

that might be a fine argument in a daily soap opera but not in real life...lets not forget what might happen to all the moderate Muslims if the extremists get into power...they will no longer have the luxury of choice same as the rest of us...take a paper cup place a small lead weight in the bottom...and put it in a bowl of water...then take a pin and insert it through the side of the cup below the water line...then remove the pin...do this a few more times...sooner or later the cup will sink:damn:

I am fully aware that there are fundamentalist extremists that hold such viewpoints on me and my extended family. But more and more I feel like I'm a seed sitting in a mortar and pestle slowly being crushed between the minority of muslim extremists with the louder voice and associated attention grabbing headlines, and on the other side by a growing number of non-muslims as evidenced on this forum. I feel like the meat in the sandwhich. It's funny how some here don't view me as a Muslim in the true sense just as that small group of extremists fundamentalist Muslims probably don't view me as a Muslim either. That is the world I now live in.

For the record Hindus and Sikhs have protested in various ways and on occassion have done so violently or via intimidation because of issues which have offended a proportion of the Hindu and Sikh communities in Britain. The trouble is it hardly makes the news. A few examples spring to mind.

Firstly there was outrage amongst the Hindu community regarding some Christmas stamps relaease by Royal mail around year ago in which a stamp pictured a Hindu couple bowing down to a Baby Christ. More details here:

http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/?p=280
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_05113christmasstamps.shtml

Earlier this year there was an Indian art exhibition in London that was forced to close thanks to death threats, intimidation, and threats of violence by Hindu fundamentalists. In fact I'm pretty sure it didn't see opening day because some Hindus were offended by the content. The museum said that the art exhibition was cancelled on "security" grounds. Info about this story below:

http://www.nickcohen.net/?p=107
http://www.awaazsaw.org/weblog/awaaz_wlog.html

Then there were the violent Sikh protests a couple of years ago over a play which forced it's closure as a result of the violence, intimidation and threats again on the basis of ones religion being insulted. There was a good article on this featuring the opinion of Salman Rushdie which I have found here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/26/nrushdie26.xml

Some Hindus also didn't take too kindly to a fashion house making ladies shoes featuring on them images of Lord Rama. An organisation via peaceful protest, boycott, and vocal pressure managed to force the fashion company in question to withdraw the shoes. Though this incident doesn't really concern me as much as the play or art exhibitions being forced to close or never see the light of day. Article here:

http://www.hinducounciluk.org/hhr.asp

Time to go home now for me. :)

[snowsub]

I though a police officer was a police officer (you know, upholding the law and everything)
When will it end, do your job or don't be in it, if everyone didn't do something based upon not liking it then nothing would get done

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=408638&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5

:nope: :nope: :nope: :nope:

[STEED]

Snowsub has raised the latest issue here in England, this police officer should follow orders if he can not he should be sacked. As I post this to the forum I am listening too the radio and a black policeman has rung into the radio station and has stated he had to police BNP protesters. This police officer has done his job so why has the other one did not? As for Ian Blair head of the police he should be sacked on the spot.



For the benefit of those outside the U.K. the BNP is a small fringe raciest party.

[STEED]

From The Sun

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006460306,00.html

[Konovalov]

Snowsub has raised the latest issue here in England, this police officer should follow orders if he can not he should be sacked.

I would agree with that. This sounds similar a situation which has occurred often within the army when a soldier doesn't want to be deployed to a combat zone because for whatever reason he thinks it is wrong or immoral to do so. He is taking the position of a conscientious objector. I think his actions of protest however are wrong but thats just my view.

[The Avon Lady]

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Just to give you a little insight CB. My wife and her side of the family originate from Kashmir. They are Muslim and they don't eat beef. Why do they not eat beef I hear you ask? It is because where they originated from was a Hindu area and cows should not be slaughtered for meat obviously. So they ate and still do only eat chicken and lamb. So please don't heap us all in the same boat as fanatical, crazy, intolerant nutters. It seems I can barely avoid a thread without some reference to "the Muslims" this and that ra ra ra. Can't people just give it a rest once in a while.

that might be a fine argument in a daily soap opera but not in real life...lets not forget what might happen to all the moderate Muslims if the extremists get into power...they will no longer have the luxury of choice same as the rest of us...take a paper cup place a small lead weight in the bottom...and put it in a bowl of water...then take a pin and insert it through the side of the cup below the water line...then remove the pin...do this a few more times...sooner or later the cup will sink:damn:

I am fully aware that there are fundamentalist extremists that hold such viewpoints on me and my extended family. But more and more I feel like I'm a seed sitting in a mortar and pestle slowly being crushed between the minority of muslim extremists with the louder voice and associated attention grabbing headlines, and on the other side by a growing number of non-muslims as evidenced on this forum. I feel like the meat in the sandwhich. It's funny how some here don't view me as a Muslim in the true sense just as that small group of extremists fundamentalist Muslims probably don't view me as a Muslim either. That is the world I now live in.

For the record Hindus and Sikhs have protested in various ways and on occassion have done so violently or via intimidation because of issues which have offended a proportion of the Hindu and Sikh communities in Britain. The trouble is it hardly makes the news. A few examples spring to mind.

Firstly there was outrage amongst the Hindu community regarding some Christmas stamps relaease by Royal mail around year ago in which a stamp pictured a Hindu couple bowing down to a Baby Christ. More details here:

http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/?p=280
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_05113christmasstamps.shtml

Earlier this year there was an Indian art exhibition in London that was forced to close thanks to death threats, intimidation, and threats of violence by Hindu fundamentalists. In fact I'm pretty sure it didn't see opening day because some Hindus were offended by the content. The museum said that the art exhibition was cancelled on "security" grounds. Info about this story below:

http://www.nickcohen.net/?p=107
http://www.awaazsaw.org/weblog/awaaz_wlog.html

Then there were the violent Sikh protests a couple of years ago over a play which forced it's closure as a result of the violence, intimidation and threats again on the basis of ones religion being insulted. There was a good article on this featuring the opinion of Salman Rushdie which I have found here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/26/nrushdie26.xml

Some Hindus also didn't take too kindly to a fashion house making ladies shoes featuring on them images of Lord Rama. An organisation via peaceful protest, boycott, and vocal pressure managed to force the fashion company in question to withdraw the shoes. Though this incident doesn't really concern me as much as the play or art exhibitions being forced to close or never see the light of day. Article here:

http://www.hinducounciluk.org/hhr.asp

Time to go home now for me. :)
Not much time on my hands, either. I think a partial answer to the difference between the isolated Hindu events mentioned above versus the rash of Islamic related events world-wide is touched upon by these articles:

Why Is The World Afraid Of Muslims? (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013412.php) (written by a Muslim, BTW)

Afraid of the Fear of Terror (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,439642,00.html)

[STEED]

Snowsub has raised the latest issue here in England, this police officer should follow orders if he can not he should be sacked.

I would agree with that. This sounds similar a situation which has occurred often within the army when a soldier doesn't want to be deployed to a combat zone because for whatever reason he thinks it is wrong or immoral to do so. He is taking the position of a conscientious objector. I think his actions of protest however are wrong but thats just my view.

He should never of joined the police and should be booted out for his actions.