Is ImageShack censoring my banner pic?

[The Avon Lady]

I'm getting a file not found 404 error on the following image I uploaded to ImageShack about 2 weeks ago:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9186/iwillnotsubmittp4.jpg

Here's a new copy for everyone that was linking to it:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8174/iwillnotsubmitqc4.jpg

I have submitted a complaint to ImageShack, asking what term of service clause was violated by the pic and I've requested a detailed reply. I'll post any responses I received from them.

EDIT: The 2nd upload above also has been deleted. Here's a 3rd:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3227/iwillnotsubmitoc2.jpg

EDIT: Permanent link of sig, no longer located at ImageShack:

http://www.ringdang.com/sigs/iwillnotsubmit.jpg

[The Noob]

Censoring...my worst enemy! :nope:

[The Avon Lady]

Censoring...my worst enemy! :nope:
Well, we don't know for sure yet.

And, ImageShack is entitled to set their policies as they please. My question is 2-fold:

1. Was it actually deteled? Seems so.

2. Why? What policy was violated by the image?

[Torplexed]

I wonder if they are just creeped out by the Arabic lettering. Had a passenger booted off a plane here in the States a few days ago for wearing a tee shirt with arabic script on it. I could have said "I wanna have Bush's lovechild". Didn't matter. It freaked the passengers out.

[nikimcbee]

Avon Lady,
Do you speak Arabic? Can I use your your image on my signature?:lol:

[nikimcbee]

There, everything works:rock:

[Skybird]

AL,I see your sig is back. Have they repaired it, or have you set it up elsewhere?

[The Avon Lady]

AL,I see your sig is back. Have they repaired it, or have you set it up elsewhere?
I uploaded a 2nd copy to ImageShack. Read my initial post again. The new 2nd copy is what is now working in my Sig. The original one is still AWOL. I've received an email from ImageShack asking me to forward them a copy of the deleted image, which I just did.

Stay tuned.

And you all thought this was going to be just another weekend! :p

[kiwi_2005]

Go photobucket.

Problem solved.

[The Avon Lady]

Go photobucket.

Problem solved.
Until someone requests them to delete it there, too.

Anyway, here's what seems to be the final response on the matter from ImageShack, who have been very prompt in their replies:

From: imgshk@gmail.com [mailto:imgshk@gmail.com ] On Behalf Of Alex
Levin @
ImageShack
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:35 AM
To: theavonlady@theavonlady.org
Subject: Re: Feedback: Why has this image been deleted?

It was mistake, sorry about that. Please upload again, it won't be deleted. It is our policy not to delete images that adhere to the ImageShack terms of service.


On 9/24/06, The Avon Lady <theavonlady@theavonlady.org> wrote:
The words "I will not submit" in Arabic (or in English, at the bottom of the
image) are offensive? Is it ImageShack's policy to delete such
unsubstantiated claims of offensiveness?

Do you have the record showing what was claimed to be offensive by the
person asking for the deletion of the original file?

Thanks for you swift replies.

Tal
________________________________

From: imgshk@gmail.com [mailto: imgshk@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alex Levin @
ImageShack
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:04 AM
To: The Avon Lady
Subject: Re: Feedback: Why has this image been deleted? (37 words)


It looks like it was deleted because someone requested it to be deleted.
They said it was offensive content.

If you would like to upload it again, you may.


On 9/24/06, The Avon Lady <theavonlady@theavonlady.org> wrote:

I've attached the image.

________________________________

From: imgshk@gmail.com [mailto:imgshk@gmail.com ] On Behalf Of Alex
Levin @
ImageShack
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:35 AM
To: theavonlady@theavonlady.org
Subject: Re: Feedback: Why has this image been deleted? (37 words)


Do you have this image on your computer? Can you upload again and
provide
the link?


On 9/24/06, theavonlady@theavonlady.org <mailto:
theavonlady@theavonlady.org <mailto:theavonlady@theavonlady.org> >
< theavonlady@theavonlady.org> wrote:

The following file is no longer available, returning a 404
error:


http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9186/iwillnotsubmittp4.jpg

Why was this image deleted? What term of service clause did
it
violate?

I would appreciate a response. Thank you.

Name: Tal
Email: theavonlady@theavonlady.org

[kiwi_2005]

I just fail to see the issue here? Its their site if they dont want it on they dont want it on. End of story. Move on and find a site that will accept your sig.

If someone finds it offensive then they have to respond to it.

Drama, drama.

:rotfl:

[Skybird]

I just fail to see the issue here? Its their site if they dont want it on they dont want it on. End of story. Move on and find a site that will accept your sig.

If someone finds it offensive then they have to respond to it.

Drama, drama.

:rotfl:

See it in the light of this:


Will Muslims Buy Jyllands-Posten?
By Hjörtur Gudmundsson
Created 2006-09-18 21:29

Last week, Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the Secretary-General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), called upon wealthy Muslims to influence the Western media by investing in them as a means to change the way they cover Islam. “Anti-Muslim attitudes” are to be changed through Muslim media ownership. At an OIC conference with ministers and officials from the OIC member states, Mr Ihsanoglu said (http://politiken.dk/udland/article173358.ece): “Muslim investors should put their money into the world's big media corporations [...] so they can influence their policies through their management.” Mr Ihsanoglu also said Muslim countries should operate TV channels in the international leading language [English] in order to change the World’s opinion of Islam.
The OIC is the largest Muslim organization in the world, with 57 member states. On 7 December last year the organization unanimously condemned Denmark (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/589) for its refusal to act against alleged “islamophobia” in the press, after the Danish daily Jyllands-Posten had published twelve Muhammad cartoons (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/382). At a press conference in Jeddah (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/734) on 28 January the OIC again lambasted the Danish government (http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=77007) “over its lack of action or apology” for the cartoons. “The Danish authorities have, by providing protection to the newspaper and failure to censor it in unequivocal terms, served neither the cause of freedom of expression nor advanced the goals of multiculturalism, domestically or internationally. The Danish authorities should have categorically condemned the cartoons,” Mr Ihsanoglu said on that occasion.
The Secretary-General furthermore welcomed diplomatic actions from Muslim countries against Denmark and said the anger against the country was reflected in the boycott of Danish goods. “If they have the freedom of expression, then individual Muslims have the freedom of choice,” he said. Mr Ihsanoglu said Danish authorities “had a responsibility to control such material which incited hatred and religious intolerance.” Now his idea is to ensure that Western media will only report what pleases Muslims through Muslim ownership. Ironically, however, the fact is that the Western mainstream media generally could not be more submissive to Muslims than they already are. Hence, the real question is: Will Jyllands-Posten perhaps be the first Western paper to be bought and silenced by Muslim investors?

Source URL:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1353 (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1353)



And do you really want to argue that people must shut up - because someone found something to be offensive, and so they have to respond to it? They have to stick to their terms of usage - and not distort them becasue someone sees something that he does not like.

[kiwi_2005]

I just fail to see the issue here? Its their site if they dont want it on they dont want it on. End of story. Move on and find a site that will accept your sig.

If someone finds it offensive then they have to respond to it.

Drama, drama.

:rotfl:
See it in the light of this:


Will Muslims Buy Jyllands-Posten?
By Hjörtur Gudmundsson
Created 2006-09-18 21:29

Last week, Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the Secretary-General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), called upon wealthy Muslims to influence the Western media by investing in them as a means to change the way they cover Islam. “Anti-Muslim attitudes” are to be changed through Muslim media ownership. At an OIC conference with ministers and officials from the OIC member states, Mr Ihsanoglu said (http://politiken.dk/udland/article173358.ece): “Muslim investors should put their money into the world's big media corporations [...] so they can influence their policies through their management.” Mr Ihsanoglu also said Muslim countries should operate TV channels in the international leading language [English] in order to change the World’s opinion of Islam.
The OIC is the largest Muslim organization in the world, with 57 member states. On 7 December last year the organization unanimously condemned Denmark (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/589) for its refusal to act against alleged “islamophobia” in the press, after the Danish daily Jyllands-Posten had published twelve Muhammad cartoons (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/382). At a press conference in Jeddah (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/734) on 28 January the OIC again lambasted the Danish government (http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=77007) “over its lack of action or apology” for the cartoons. “The Danish authorities have, by providing protection to the newspaper and failure to censor it in unequivocal terms, served neither the cause of freedom of expression nor advanced the goals of multiculturalism, domestically or internationally. The Danish authorities should have categorically condemned the cartoons,” Mr Ihsanoglu said on that occasion.
The Secretary-General furthermore welcomed diplomatic actions from Muslim countries against Denmark and said the anger against the country was reflected in the boycott of Danish goods. “If they have the freedom of expression, then individual Muslims have the freedom of choice,” he said. Mr Ihsanoglu said Danish authorities “had a responsibility to control such material which incited hatred and religious intolerance.” Now his idea is to ensure that Western media will only report what pleases Muslims through Muslim ownership. Ironically, however, the fact is that the Western mainstream media generally could not be more submissive to Muslims than they already are. Hence, the real question is: Will Jyllands-Posten perhaps be the first Western paper to be bought and silenced by Muslim investors?

Source URL:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1353 (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1353)


And do you really want to argue that people must shut up - because someone found something to be offensive, and so they have to respond to it? They have to stick to their terms of usage - and not distort them becasue someone sees something that he does not like.

ok but its their website, i understand Avon asking why? but hey it is their website . If i ran a website and said no nazi emblem please what am i saying?

[Camaero]

Glad you got it sorted out.

The kind of people that would get offended by that are the kind of people I would damn well want to offend.

[Immacolata]

Buy Jyllands-Posten? Haha, good luck. It is privately owned by a foundation whose primary goal is to run Jyllands-Posten.

As for the I will not submit in arabic. Is it a play on arab prowords or is it simply saying "Sod off" in politer words? If it is, can't see anyone taking offense by it on just grounds.

[SkvyWvr]

Avon Lady. Your sig seems to be gone again.:cry:

[The Avon Lady]

Avon Lady. Your sig seems to be gone again.:cry:
Latest email just went out:
Alex,

Has this new copy now been deleted, too?

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8174/iwillnotsubmitqc4.jpg

If so, I would like to know what's going on. This is not normal and is obviously being done out of either personal motivation or ignorance by someone at ImageShack. Either way, this is not making a good impression.

Thanks.

[Skybird]

"We are the forces of tolerance. Resistance is futile."

[The Avon Lady]

Here's a new image upload:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3227/iwillnotsubmitoc2.jpg

I will not back down. :nope:

[Immacolata]

I think you are going to lose that one if some one at imageshack has decided it should be :cry:

But there is a way around that however

Put this code in your HTML:

ل,ن, أ,س,ت,س,ل,م,

Replace the , with ;

It produces this:


لن أستسلم

[The Noob]

I will not back down. :nope:

YES! Give 'em Hell! :yep:

Well...i have a website up (Not finished jet) were i think i could host the Picture. Only if you want. I only have 25mb webspace, hope it's enought. I have no idea of such things, as usual. :lol:

I think you are going to lose that one if some one at imageshack has decided it should be :cry:


WRONG! The People's Army of the Internet Marches Forward! REVOLUTION! :arrgh!:

[The Avon Lady]

OK. It's been deleted again. Here's another temporary upload:

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/615/iwillnotsubmitfu4.jpg

Someone here has volunteered to host a permanent copy on his domain. I'll post the link once that becomes available.

Here is the latest and last email from ImageShack, revealing the identity of the person requesting the deletions:
Forgot to include his subject lines:

Harassment: Encouraging terrorism (28 words)
Harassment: Offensive content (32 words)


On 9/26/06, Alex Levin @ ImageShack <macbeth@imageshack.us> wrote:
It was reported twice by the same person and was automatically deleted. If you want, you can deal with him about this issue. You can always upload your image again.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8174/iwillnotsubmitqc4.jpg
List of files to be deleted (add links, urls, and lines as necessary, no HTML please):
Explanation for reason of deletion:

Name: Eric
Email: xxx

List of files to be deleted (add links, urls, and lines as necessary, no HTML please):
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9186/iwillnotsubmittp4.jpg

Explanation for reason of deletion:
Offensive content by fascists

Name: Eric
Email: xxx



On 9/26/06, The Avon Lady < theavonlady@theavonlady.org> wrote:
Alex,

Has this new copy now been deleted, too?

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8174/iwillnotsubmitqc4.jpg

If so, I would like to know what's going on. This is not normal and is obviously being done out of either personal motivation or ignorance by someone at ImageShack. Either way, this is not making a good impression.

Thanks. Eric, if you're lurking here, say hello to us all. Don't be shy now. :D

[The Avon Lady]

I know the identity of the forum member. Coward and liar!

EDIT: Here's a hint to him: مجھے اردو کی مَشق کرنی چاہیے

[joea]

Ouch not nice of whoever it was, plus Google language tools don't work (some squares appear when I cut and paste) and Altavista babelfish doesn't even have Arabic. Pretty please a hint on the translation? :oops:

Yes I am nosy.

[Perilscope]

...and Altavista babelfish doesn't even have Arabic.
It's not Arabic, it is Urdu. I think? :hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

...and Altavista babelfish doesn't even have Arabic.
It's not Arabic, it is Urdu. I think? :hmm:
Yes it is Urdu and it pretty much states that my Urdu is not up to snuff.

That was just a hint to let "Eric" (not his forum name nor his ethnic name) know I'm not bluffing as to being aware of his identity.

This only makes my banner's message more pertinent. Someone will soon be hosting a permanent, non-removable copy of the banner. Those who wish to make it part of their signature here or on other forums, please feel free to do so and promote the message to others groups of people. Don't let them silence us. :down:

[Immacolata]

Why is it fascist and why does it encourage terrorism?
Inquiring minds wants to know.

[The Avon Lady]

Why is it fascist and why does it encourage terrorism?
It is fascist because Islamic Muslims view any rejection of Islamic subjugation as fascism and it encourages terrorism because if you do not submit to Islam, they will seeth, become filled with raged and use terror to convince you otherwise.

Back to our meek corners we go!

[Perilscope]

Here, for whom wants full translation of what TAL posted above:
Original Urdu: مجھے اردو کی مَشق کرنی چاہیے
Roman/Urdu letters: Mujhe Urdu Ki Mashq Karni Chahiye
Plain Roman/English: I need to practice my Urdu


You know, one thing I find weird about this "I Will Not Submit", is that it is not offensive whatsoever, it's like saying "I like what I am", thus, don't bother me. It's actually a status quo thing.

That person should go flick lights off somewhere else if you ask me, offensive it is not. And freedom of speech will be.

In addition, if this guy named "Eric" is using a western name, I find it coward indeed.
You know, there is nothing to be ashamed for who you are. Do you think you will not be welcomed if you had a native name or defended your thoughts? As far I am concern, I would never judge anybody for whom he is, or which religion you adhere. And it would be actually cool to see one of the middle eastern mingle with us openly, and debate like proper human our daily concerns. That way is the way to do it, not by impersonating and spying like a twig, and take insults to everything.

[Skybird]

Ssnakes-in-the-grass.

I would like to see this guy banned from this place.

[Drebbel]

Ssnakes-in-the-grass.

I would like to see this guy banned from this place.

I certainly hope that even in your democracy one will allow the suspect to speak and defend himself before filing a verdict ?

I have asked Avon Lady to contact Neal or one of the moderators so that, if needed/wanted, appropiate action can be taken.

Drebbel (with my moderator hat on)

[The Avon Lady]

I have asked Avon Lady to contact Neal or one of the moderators so that, if needed/wanted, appropiate action can be taken.
So it shall be written, so it shall be done!

Actually, done already. :yep:

[Immacolata]

Perhaps the offense is taken by the fact that a jewish/israeli person uses arabic letters to write I will not submit. It would probably have made no offense if it was written by an arab, would it? In that case, the image isn't offensive, it is the person that is being pursued. And it is clear that this Eric has an personal agenda. Stop being an ass, Eric. You are welcome to write "I will submit" in arameic or modern hebrew if you so desire.

It is fascist because Islamic Muslims view any rejection of Islamic subjugation as fascism and it encourages terrorism because if you do not submit to Islam, they will seeth, become filled with raged and use terror to convince you otherwise.

Yes that is the reasoning I suppose. If you can call it reasoning. More like a short circuiting.

Back to our meek corners we go!

Nah. Check aht mah new sig.

[The Avon Lady]

Check aht mah new sig.
Very nice. Is there HTML to color the lettering in semi-dark green, as in my sig pic?

[Gizzmoe]

I´ve asked him for a statement, we´ll see what happens.

[The Avon Lady]

For everyone, here is a permanent URL for the sig, privately hosted and undeletable:

http://www.ringdang.com/sigs/iwillnotsubmit.jpg

With best of thank to you know who you are! :up: :rock:

[WutWuzDat]

I´ve asked him for a statement, we´ll see what happens.
This should interesting... But more than likely "Eric" will just ignore you.

And Eric (or who ever you are), I don't see any reason why this would be offense. That is why I am hosting it.

[Gizzmoe]

But more than likely "Eric" will just ignore you.

Maybe, but that wouldn´t be a good idea.

[Skybird]

Ssnakes-in-the-grass.

I would like to see this guy banned from this place.

I certainly hope that even in your democracy one will allow the suspect to speak and defend himself before filing a verdict ?

Sure. We play this game sometimes over years, going from one court to the other.

This guy has taken action in the hidden.

He did so repeatedly.

He already has explained his motive, saying "offensive content by fascists".

He has not confronted AL in public and light, and gave no public explanation, which at least is a question of poor style and manners.

I don't need more to take position against him.

I don't like that these issues about hurt oh so precious Muslim feelings time and again are being blown out of proportions, as if all universe if revolving around Islam and muslim interests. they may think so, but this must not be a paradigm for us. It does not deserve this, it is not worth it. "Eric" has made his choice, let's accept that and take consequences for that. Period. It simply is not important if Eric is Muslim, or just a well-meaning socially responsible left-wing humanitarian with unlimited tolerance towards an aggressor. It simply is not important. It makes no difference.

[The Avon Lady]

I think you are going to lose that one if some one at imageshack has decided it should be :cry:
Looking at ImageShack's written policies, it seems and sounds like they just take any complaints at face value.

If we want to test this, we would have to find non-offensive Islamic images hosted at ImageShack, submit that they be deleted on account of being offensive and see how ImageShack handles the matter or responds.

I also wonder whether this policy is for all uploaded pics or for those uploaded by unregistered users, with registered users possibly getting a heads-up to respond to complaints before any action might be taken.

[The Avon Lady]

Pssst, Skybird.......................... fix your sig. :yep:

Please feel free to use this image URL:

http://www.ringdang.com/sigs/iwillnotsubmit.jpg

No longer hosted at ImageShack. ;)

[Skybird]

I initially did not plan to participate in the banners and signatures stuff, but in support of free speech and opinion and also supporting this special cause, I also have set up the image here, feel free to use it:

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/iwillnotsubmitoc2.jpg

It will remain there even after I eventually will stop using it personally.

I just do not find out how to turn that sig into a picture. Including the adress in and or does not work like it did on the old board. any help?

[Immacolata]

Check aht mah new sig.
Very nice. Is there HTML to color the lettering in semi-dark green, as in my sig pic?


Yes there is, but you need the color code. For white it is color=#FFFFFF, for instance. I have no idea how you make dark green appear in hexadecimal ^_^

As for imageshack, they run a business. It is easier to delete auto-magically than taking each of numerous complaints up to revision. It is a robot war you cannot win, so find another place like you did. Do not defeat your enemy face on, outsmart them instead :)

[WutWuzDat]

In support of free speech and opinion and also supporting this special cause, I also have set up the image here, feel free to use it:

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/iwillnotsubmitoc2.jpg

I just do not find out how to turn that sig into a picture. Inclduing the adress in and or does not work like it did on the old board. any help?

Well, the first problem is that if you click on the link, you get a 404 error :hmm:

[WutWuzDat]

Yes there is, but you need the color code. For white it is color=#FFFFFF, for instance. I have no idea how you make dark green appear in hexadecimal ^_^

As for imageshack, they run a business. It is easier to delete auto-magically than taking each of numerous complaints up to revision. It is a robot war you cannot win, so find another place like you did. Do not defeat your enemy face on, outsmart them instead :)

http://www.december.com/html/spec/color.html :up:

[Skybird]

Test only.

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/iwillnotsubmitoc2.jpg

It works in the posting, but not in the sig...!?

[WutWuzDat]

Test only.

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/iwillnotsubmitoc2.jpg

Not Found

The requested URL /Skybird/iwillnotsubmitoc2.jpg was not found on this server.

[Skybird]

In support of free speech and opinion and also supporting this special cause, I also have set up the image here, feel free to use it:

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/iwillnotsubmitoc2.jpg

I just do not find out how to turn that sig into a picture. Inclduing the adress in and or does not work like it did on the old board. any help?

Well, the first problem is that if you click on the link, you get a 404 error :hmm:
Really? that problem is non-existant for me. No 404 over here. I see a nice little picture in my posting. But no in my sig. It's the same http.

[WutWuzDat]

Really? that problem is non-existant for me. No 404 over here. I see a nice little picture in my posting. But no in my sig. It's the same http.

I can't see it all all, any place.

[The Avon Lady]

Skybird, I can see it in your post above but not in your sig.

Is there a profile option that disables board code in sigs?

[The Avon Lady]

Skybird, I think you have a double "hh" at the beginning of "http" in your sig. Check please.

[Skybird]

For me it looks like this:

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2229/0052km7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Immacolata]

Yes there is, but you need the color code. For white it is color=#FFFFFF, for instance. I have no idea how you make dark green appear in hexadecimal ^_^

As for imageshack, they run a business. It is easier to delete auto-magically than taking each of numerous complaints up to revision. It is a robot war you cannot win, so find another place like you did. Do not defeat your enemy face on, outsmart them instead :)

http://www.december.com/html/spec/color.html :up:


Ta, mate. Hope this code is near the original color. color=#308014, but i am afraid to go darker or it will wash out on the default subsim charcoal colour skin.

For this board script I just enclosed the arabic letters with [ color=#308014] (remove one space to activate it) and of course a closing tag /color at the end.

[Skybird]

Hm, Avon's link does not work for me, too. Nor any other image-link. Only in the sig, not in a posting.

Who cares. No pictures in my sig, then.

[Immacolata]

Hm, Avon's link does not work for me, too. Nor any other image-link. Only in the sig, not in a posting.

Who cares. No pictures in my sig, then.

Use my elite html unicode art then. It is copy and pasteable I think.

[lesrae]

For me it looks like this:

Your sig has the letters up to the h in http (ie [img]h underlined and acting as a hyperlink to http://freenet.de/, suggest you scrub it and try again from scratch.

[Skybird]

Skybird, I think you have a double "hh" at the beginning of "http" in your sig. Check please.

The option "visible post elements - show images" is ticked in my options profile.

[The Avon Lady]

Skybird, I think you have a double "hh" at the beginning of "http" in your sig. Check please.

The option "visible post elements - show images" is ticked in my options profile.
Also, I find that when you have the option set to maximize the enhanced editing options, it combines and messes up forum board code with HTML code.

I noticed this when Subsim upgraded the forum a few months ago and selected the lower setting. The lower setting also prevents including HTML code when copying and pasting articles. Such pasting often results in the text being displayed in a dark color which, for all of us using SubSim's black and grey skin, makes it very difficult to read such posts. I've noticed this with several of your posts in the past, Skybird. Drop the enhanced editing options down a notch and everything should be fine.

[WutWuzDat]

yes, the advanced editing thing is a total pain.:damn:

[Skybird]

Skybird, I think you have a double "hh" at the beginning of "http" in your sig. Check please.

The option "visible post elements - show images" is ticked in my options profile.
Also, I find that when you have the option set to maximize the enhanced editing options, it combines and messes up forum board code with HTML code.

I noticed this when Subsim upgraded the forum a few months ago and selected the lower setting. The lower setting also prevents including HTML code when copying and pasting articles. Such pasting often results in the text being displayed in a dark color which, for all of us using SubSim's black and grey skin, makes it very difficult to read such posts. I've noticed this with several of your posts in the past, Skybird. Drop the enhanced editing options down a notch and everything should be fine.

You mean "Message Editor Interface", yes? Tried all three settings. Does nothing for a difference. I know what you mean with the text colour problem. It is a problem when I write a text in words 2003 and then paste and copy it here. No solution known, i use default automatic text colour in words. Text needs to be pasted into txt-editor first, and copied over from there. That'S why I do not write offline anymore, but online only.

I switch off that signature now. It's useless to mess around with these things and no realistic perspective in sight.

[retired1212]

Hello all,

My first post after a long time, and sorry for my late response. I was in contact with one of the moderators before posting my reply.

Since this topic went public so it was better to respond in public then sending a PM to AL to clarify my position.

The information that AL got about me from googling is correct. I am a member of other wolfpackleague forum, and my e-mail address is quite easy to get if you use google.

I DID NOT report AL's signature. I have no grudge or any hostile feeling towards AL or any other forum member. As far as I remember that I never had any argument with her. There is nothing unusual in her signature. I treat internet forum as a place where people post just to kill some time. It is possible that somebody else got my info from a bit of googling, and then got a chance to start a flame war. I don't know the motive of that person.

Thanks moderators for allowing me to give some explainations.

[nikimcbee]

it works again:rock:

[Camaero]

:up::up: :up: :up: :up:

[The Avon Lady]

Folks, I would like to put a damper on anyone trying to guess who the person was that submitted the deletion requests to ImageShack.

I am in negotiations with ImageShack to obtain the submitter's recorded URL address. Once obtained, I will forard it to several forum owners here and elsewhere, who have shown an interest in identifying what forum member would be doing this to others.

It may very well be that the person used another person's address, a classic case of spoofing. Let's wait and see.

So, I'd like to make some final conclusions:

1. Apparently anyone can ask that any image giving a hint of impropriety (even if the hint is wrong) be deleted and ImageShack will comply pronto.

2. Spoofing someone's identity may be in the workings here.

3. The image is now permanently hosted privately.

4. Consider the issue closed, at least until I obtain additional data that will pinpoint the person involved.

[Perilscope]

4. Consider the issue closed, at least until I obtain additional data that will pinpoint the person involved.
OK commander-in-chief, we are on standby! LOL.
I think you are brave and perseverant TAL, good luck! :up:

[The Avon Lady]

One last important point: an apology to Oombongo.

When I originally posted the full response from ImageShack, which included the submitter's supposed email addresses, I did not take into account the potential for spoofing and as such I made a tremendous mistake revealing the email addresses.

Fortunately, we have moderators here who think of everything for the rest of us. Thanks to Gizzmoe for being quick on the draw and removing the email addresses before most anyone noticed them and could trace them.

Again, case closed until more evidence comes in.

[Skybird]

Whoever it was, and after having attacked AL now also added to bring Oombongo into miscredit to his list of misbehavings - I still want to see him being banned. ;) I think, the latter crime weights even heavier then the cowardish deletion of AL's signature.

Shame on you, sly little coward!

[Konovalov]

Whoever it was, and after having attacked AL now also added to bring Oombongo into miscredit to his list of misbehavings - I still want to see him being banned. ;) I think, the latter crime weights even heavier then the cowardish deletion of AL's signature.

Shame on you, sly little coward!

Don't stress. Take note of Avon Ladys last line and just chill. Why bother buying into the trouble makers stupid silly little game? :)

[Skybird]

"Wie im Kleinen, so im Großen", that's why.

[Konovalov]

"Wie im Kleinen, so im Großen", that's why.

Translation please?

[Skybird]

German proverb, don't know the english equivalent. Means something like "like in small issues, so in big issues."

[WutWuzDat]

Just forget about it untill we get some more info. I'm hosting the sig now... Shame on ImageShack. I never used them anyway.

[Wim Libaers]

Why is it fascist and why does it encourage terrorism? It is fascist because Islamic Muslims view any rejection of Islamic subjugation as fascism and it encourages terrorism because if you do not submit to Islam, they will seeth, become filled with raged and use terror to convince you otherwise.

Back to our meek corners we go!
I doubt it. I do not think muslims care very much about fascism, other than it being just one more non-Islamic things. They might not like it, but I see no obvious reason why it would offended them more than other non-Islamic ideologies.

The reason for the use of the word "fascist" is probably because our enemy of free speech wants to create some strong feelings in the target of his message (the image hosting site, Americans probably), not because the term is very offensive to him.

Edit: to clarify, some who describe themselves as muslims (and would be seen by others as apostates in denial, but we've been in that discussion before) would of course hate fascism, but probably due to having accepted some modern Western culture and values and not due to Islam-specific reasons.

[Skybird]

Combining Islam with fascism is idiotic. What they have in common only is this: both are totalitarian. The word fascism is used in combination with Islam only to make an easy score at people's emotions. Nevertheless it is a wrong linking of two different conceptions. I am no freind of Islam myself, but we do not help to fight against it when becoming unprecise and publishing wrong target identification for cheap and shortsigthed reasons. that way they only can counter-argue against us and rightfully accuse us of not knowing what fascism and what Islam is - why do we reject Islam then when we do not know what it is...?

So, Islam is totalitarian. It is not fascist.