9/11 mini series on TV

[kiwi_2005]

over here this sunday night, going for two nights i can't wait to watch it, but no doubt its already been seen in the states and probably everywhere else, so is it worth watching or will it be just another hollywood piece of crap. Only actor i recognise is that "Harvey Keitel" whenever hes in a movie its usually good (apart from U571 :rotfl:)

[mapuc]

Same here. In Scandinavia the Discovery is sending this Dramadocumentary starting 9 pm(2100 h)

Markus

[Ishmael]

This so-called documentary was written by a conservative activist & has been denounced as inaccurate and downright false by such people as Richard Clarke, Richard Ben-Veniste and Tom Kean. Clarke was the counter-terror chief for both Clinton & Bush & the other two were members of the 9/11 Commission so they have some authority & knowledge of the subject. The facts are as follows:

1. Clinton and his National Security Staff had weekly meetings on how to deal with al-Qaeda. When he ordered the missle strikes in Afghanistan after the Kenya & Tanzania bombings, the Republicans accused him of Wag The Dog. Of attempting to start a war to deflect attention from the Lewinsky scandal.

2. Bush's national security staff had One, repeat One meeting on terrorism between his inaugural and 9/11. This despite the August Presidential Daily Briefing that noted that al-Qaeda was poised to strike the US using airliners as weapons, a plan first uncovered and foiled in the mid-90's when Ramzi Yuseff was going to do it on transPacific airliners. At the same time, there were numerous reports of the hijackers takiing flight training throughout the country by multiple FBI agents that were ignored by the Bush Administration. These reports also stated that the people were only interested in training to fly the planes, not take-offs or landings. At the same time, Bush, Cheney & their surrogates were focused on invading Iraq from Inauguration day, witness the Downing Street memos.

3. The attacks happened on Bush's watch. His administration has evaded and denied their failure for 5 years. All the while pulling bin-laden out of the hat to scare the American people every election cycle. When you consider that the US Army commander in Afghanistan refused the CIA agent on the ground at Tora Bora's request for 500 Special Forces troops to actually get Bin-Laden & this allowed bin-Laden & Al-Zuwahri to escape to Pakistan makes me wonder if they ever wanted to get him in the first place. Bush and his minions were doing it again this week while Pakistan was finalizing a peace treaty with the Taliban in Waziristan giving al-Qaeda a safe haven in Pakistan.

So watch this program if you wish. However, don't expect it to be in any way an accurate or truthful accounting of the actual events in question.

[kiwi_2005]

Thanks :up:

[Yahoshua]

As strange as it may sound, LOTS of rumors abound of FDR ignoring reports of possible attacks againt the United States. And highlighting Hawaii in particular (esp. about the 2 carriers leaving PH shortly before the attack).

Perhaps history repeated itself? Or was history repeated intentionally?

[The Noob]

If you want a good Documentary about 9/11, go watch Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11".

Sea Demon, Please no stupid comments on this one, they will be ignored by Everyone Ecsept you.

[Yahoshua]

seen that movie.

It's not a documentary. It's propaganda. And poor propaganda at best.

He brings up alot of speculation but is unable to provide substantial proof either because he is unable to acquire it in sufficient amounts, or because he's trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

I was interested in his other "Private Eye" movie like "Corporate America," (I think that was the title) but after seeing "Bowling for Columbine" I stopped watching his 'Private Eye' films. It was more propaganda than actual proof.

[The Noob]

How can you Proof anything if the NSA and CIA trys to Hide all the Sensible data from you? YOU, Yahoshua, are spottet as an Possible American. And, no offence, but i think Americans are Unable to Judge such Stuff cause they are Manipulatet (At Least the Majority) and are already Raised with an "America - **** Yeah" attitude.

It seems like i'm the Only one who Likes Michael Moore.

[August]

How can you Proof anything if the NSA and CIA trys to Hide all the Sensible data from you? YOU, Yahoshua, are spottet as an Possible American. And, no offence, but i think Americans are Unable to Judge such Stuff cause they are Manipulatet (At Least the Majority) and are already Raised with an "America - &*%# Yeah" attitude.

It seems like i'm the Only one who Likes Michael Moore.

Well thank God we have you foreigners to tell us what we should believe.

[Yahoshua]

"spottet as an Possible American" :doh: Come again?

"Americans are Unable to Judge such Stuff cause they are Manipulatet (At Least the Majority) and are already Raised with an "America - ???? Yeah" attitude."

One could say the same for Europeans who are manipulated by the media bias according to nationality. So none of us here are viable in executing sound decisions, we'll let Big Brother take care of that.

To give an example: The JFK asassination. We all know it was a branch of the Gov't that did it, and it was NOT Oswald who pulled off those shots. Nor was it the fabricated snipers on the grassy knoll. The presence of "The Umbrella Man" has not been established, and yet we know that the zapruder film was doctored but have no proof to finger anyone in particular.

I'm certain it was a spook job because nobody else could've done such a well-planned hit like this and get away with nothing on them.

Do I have any proof in particular? Nope. So I can't logically/legally accuse anyone in particular (or person, or branch, or agency) and call it fact.

MM is presenting speculation (which abound regarding the JFK hit) and passing it off as fact without substantial proof.

Proof which I have yet seen. Yet the one nagging thought in the back of my head is the undeniable tie between the Bush family and the Saudis via their oil business. That, so far, is the only proof I have which would make me question Bushs' motives (other than a speculation that this war is to "finish the job that daddy started").

And contrary to popular opinion (if that's the general perception of Americans over there), we are not raised with the mindset of "Yee-hawing" at everything that moves.

But we're as varied as any other European nation. Go from country to country and you'll find different values and mindsets all competing for the lead position, apply that with family-to-family variation here in the U.S. and you get a whopping headache trying to get a consensus on ANYTHING.

And the reason I don't like MM is because he films like the media does: In an outrightly biased manner (which disqualifies his film as being a documentary), with omitted facts (the media does this plenty with stories theat they DON'T air), and twisted or skewed perceptions that are molded to fit his agenda (is that any different from the major media outlets?).

Please take a number and come again......

[sonar732]

In regards to this topic, all that I can say is that if you give me 5 facts on anything, whether it be pro-Clinton or pro-Bush, I can give you 5 more to refute them.

[joea]

As strange as it may sound, LOTS of rumors abound of FDR ignoring reports of possible attacks againt the United States. And highlighting Hawaii in particular (esp. about the 2 carriers leaving PH shortly before the attack).

Perhaps history repeated itself? Or was history repeated intentionally?

Different situation, different context and different times. I do know one carrier was supposed to already be in harbour the day of the attack (Enterprise) but a storm prevented it.

Anyway, one similarity is the demonstrable foul ups and incompetence in both cases.

[SkvyWvr]

In regards to this topic, all that I can say is that if you give me 5 facts on anything, whether it be pro-Clinton or pro-Bush, I can give you 5 more to refute them.

Ok, here goes:
1. Clinton was a putz.
2. Clinton was a putz.
3. Clinton was a putz.
4. Clinton was a putz.
5. Clinton was a putz.:yep:

[STEED]

In regards to this topic, all that I can say is that if you give me 5 facts on anything, whether it be pro-Clinton or pro-Bush, I can give you 5 more to refute them.

Ok, here goes:
1. Clinton was a putz.
2. Clinton was a putz.
3. Clinton was a putz.
4. Clinton was a putz.
5. Clinton was a putz.:yep:

Is that cigar up for sale on ebay, you know which one.

Yes once again I am being sarcastic.

[SkvyWvr]

In regards to this topic, all that I can say is that if you give me 5 facts on anything, whether it be pro-Clinton or pro-Bush, I can give you 5 more to refute them.

Ok, here goes:
1. Clinton was a putz.
2. Clinton was a putz.
3. Clinton was a putz.
4. Clinton was a putz.
5. Clinton was a putz.:yep:

Is that cigar up for sale on ebay, you know which one.

Yes once again I am being sarcastic.

:oops: Huh? You lost me. :oops:

[STEED]

I am not falling for that old one. ;) :lol:


Back on the subject one of the office staff said

"These documentary's are paving the way for a all nuclear attack on Iran"

Well I would not go that far, he is a bit of a conspiracy nerd.

[Onkel Neal]

If you want a good Documentary about 9/11, go watch Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11".

Sea Demon, Please no stupid comments on this one, they will be ignored by Everyone Ecsept you.

Lol, actually, as I was reading this thread, I was going to comment that this "Path to 9/11" documentary is probably no more accurate than a Michael Moore shockumentary... geared for ratings and profit, not accuracy.

[SkvyWvr]

If you want a good Documentary about 9/11, go watch Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11".

Sea Demon, Please no stupid comments on this one, they will be ignored by Everyone Ecsept you.

Lol, actually, as I was reading this thread, I was going to comment that this "Path to 9/11" documentary is probably no more accurate than a Michael Moore shockumentary... geared for ratings and profit, not accuracy.

Buy the mana drink on me!:()1:

[tycho102]

If you want a good Documentary about 9/11, go watch Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11".

Sea Demon, Please no stupid comments on this one, they will be ignored by Everyone Ecsept you.
Lol, actually, as I was reading this thread, I was going to comment that this "Path to 9/11" documentary is probably no more accurate than a Michael Moore shockumentary... geared for ratings and profit, not accuracy.
That's pretty much why I never watched the one they had on Flight 93. However, here's what I don't get about all this:

ABC is liberal as hell. CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, CNN, NYT. That is the liberal "mainstream" media. Old media. The Clintons are making all kinds of ruckus about it (the series). I fully expect George Carvile to show up on CNN and read the Riot Act, in it's entirety. The liberal bloggers are planning to "google bomb" the series title in order to give their rebuttal.

So, what the heck is a liberal television studio doing, playing a "conservative" (i.e. non-conspiracy portrayal) mini-series of moslem terrorists?

Is this just some kind of trial run to pull Nielson ratings away from FOX?




P.S. My apologies to all non-Americans in the forums. All these acronyms are the "broadcast identifiers" of various news organizations in America. Some are "primary" organizations which actually send out reporters, and others are "secondary" organizations which filter and assess reports from the primaries, but they all have a significant segment of current television and radio media systems. American Broadcasting Corporation, Central Broadcasting Corporation, National Broadcasting Corporation, National Public Radio, Public Broadcasting System, New York Times, etc.

[TheSatyr]

The "Liberal Media" is a sham. Most of the newspaper chains are owned by corporations,same with the various tv news stations.

I figured out long ago that the Republicans complained about the "liberal media" simply to get the average American to think the media was actually liberal...when in truth the media was just another arm of the Republican propaganda machine.

The same principle was used in the "Iraq was involved in 9/11" crap. Say something enough times and you can get people to believe it.

It's a sad time for news these days..the vast majority of so called news on the net is nothing more than blatant bull...while the majority of the mainstream news outlets tow the Republican line.

At least there are a few newspapers that still have some respect for it's readers intelligence. (The New York Times,the Los Angeles Times to name a few).

[Sea Demon]

The same principle was used in the "Iraq was involved in 9/11" crap. Say something enough times and you can get people to believe it.


Who ever said "Iraq was involved in 9/11?" This is one of those things you say enough times...and it apparently becomes true. ;)

Actually, they have shown links between Saddam and Al-Qaeda. There are links between Saddam and Palestinian terrorists. But nobody ever actually made the assertion that Iraq was involved in 9/11. This is another BS left-wing talking point that cannot be proven. But I digress.

And I have no intention to watch this 9/11 program. I really don't need to. We know why Islamic terrorists were able to gather steam up to 9/11. Don't need an ABC mini-series to show us why.

[sonar732]

I just saw Wolf Blitzer interview William Cohen, former DoD Secretary under Clinton, and he said it best..."Both administrations failed."

[August]

The "Liberal Media" is a sham. Most of the newspaper chains are owned by corporations,same with the various tv news stations.

I figured out long ago that the Republicans complained about the "liberal media" simply to get the average American to think the media was actually liberal...when in truth the media was just another arm of the Republican propaganda machine.

The same principle was used in the "Iraq was involved in 9/11" crap. Say something enough times and you can get people to believe it.

It's a sad time for news these days..the vast majority of so called news on the net is nothing more than blatant bull...while the majority of the mainstream news outlets tow the Republican line.
If the media was slave to the Republians, as you say, then we wouldn't hear anything bad about Iraq or the WoT, yet from what i hear from friends over there now the reporting we get is far more negative than it truely is. Maybe you want to rethink your position.

The way i look at it, the media, and that especially includes the NYT, cares only about one thing and that's making money. The more sensational the better and bad news sells, good news doesn't.

[SkvyWvr]

over here this sunday night, going for two nights i can't wait to watch it, but no doubt its already been seen in the states and probably everywhere else, so is it worth watching or will it be just another hollywood piece of crap. Only actor i recognise is that "Harvey Keitel" whenever hes in a movie its usually good (apart from U571 :rotfl:)

It has already started stirring up a bit of controversy over here. Seems the Clintons don't like the way their administration is being portrayed. They have demanded the TV station to edit or pull the show.:hmm: Now I wonder what thats all about?

[waste gate]

Seems the Clintons don't like the way their administration is being portrayed.

I think they protest too much. Perhaps there is more truth to the show than we might think.

[SkvyWvr]

Seems the Clintons don't like the way their administration is being portrayed.

I think they protest too much. Perhaps there is more truth to the show than we might think.

Exactly what I was thinking:yep:

[SkvyWvr]

I don't know why people insist on bashing the Clintons so much considering they are no longer in the Whitehouse. :nope:

Republicans would rather bash a man for *******in the oval office than their current leader who has sent so many American childern and innocent Iraqis to their grave. What a shame!:nope:

Oh christ, here we go again.:nope:

[waste gate]

I don't know why people insist on bashing the Clintons so much considering they are no longer in the Whitehouse. :nope:

Republicans would rather bash a man for getting ******* than their current leader who has sent so many American childern and innocent Iraqis to their grave. What a shame!:nope:

I hope you didn't take my questioning of the Clinton protests as a bash. Clinton's place in white house history will be judged by others. I'm just curious about the protests and heavy handed attempts to squash a made for TV movie which doesnot portend to be anything other than a drama which gives one interpretation of events leading up to the events of 9/11. Seems to me their efforts will only bring more veiwers to what is, based on other made for TV movies, boring, tripe and of little value other than entertaining a few housewives whose husbands are watching the NFL.

To your point of deaths in Iraq. All, without exception, human beings die. There is no if, only when. People have and always will die in a way that is not fair, but no one ever stated that life is fair. With 25,000 abortions a week in the US we probably shouldn't be discussing innocent lives.

[bradclark1]

With 2500 abortions a week in the US we probably shouldn't be discussing innocent lives.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Subnuts]

With 25,000 abortions a week in the US we probably shouldn't be discussing innocent lives.
[Archie Bunker Mode ON] Would it make you feel any better if they was pushed out of windows? [Archie Bunker Mode OFF]

[waste gate]

With 25,000 abortions a week in the US we probably shouldn't be discussing innocent lives.
[Archie Bunker Mode ON] Would it make you feel any better if they was pushed out of windows? [Archie Bunker Mode OFF]

No, but based your question I think it would make you feel better.

[Onkel Neal]

Ok, time out. Let's keep the details of Clinton's Oval Office activities PG rated. This is not the place to throw around vulgar references to male anatomy. If "you" have noticed your posts getting edited a lot, you may want to pause for thought about how you are expressing yourself. You know who you are. Please. PS: Not referring to people whose posts are edited for the quoted language.

Also, abortion, touchy topic, tread with care :-?

[SkvyWvr]

Ok, time out. Let's keep the details of Clinton's Oval Office activities PG rated. This is not the place to throw around vulgar references to male anatomy. If "you" have noticed your posts getting edited a lot, you may want to pause for thought about how you are expressing yourself. You know who you are. Please. PS: Not referring to people whose posts are edited for the quoted language.

Also, abortion, touchy topic, tread with care :-?

Finally, a voice of reason.

[bradclark1]

It has already started stirring up a bit of controversy over here. Seems the Clintons don't like the way their administration is being portrayed. They have demanded the TV station to edit or pull the show.:hmm: Now I wonder what thats all about?

Funny. I just watched CNN and Clinton's complaint was with the inaccuracies the movie had from the 9/11 report.

[waste gate]

Also, abortion, touchy topic, tread with care :-?

A well documented number and only to rebut the innocent lives statement.

[SkvyWvr]

It has already started stirring up a bit of controversy over here. Seems the Clintons don't like the way their administration is being portrayed. They have demanded the TV station to edit or pull the show.:hmm: Now I wonder what thats all about?

Funny. I just watched CNN and Clinton's complaint was with the inaccuracies the movie had from the 9/11 report.

And everyone knows the 9/11 report was right on.:shifty:

[bradclark1]

:roll:

[tycho102]

I recommend a 9/11 commission for the 9/11 commission. NEEDZ MOR GOVERNMENT INTERDICTSHUN!!!/111

As for the show, ABC is going to pull it. Problem solved. Everyone go home and drink beer.

[Onkel Neal]

Best line of the series thus far:

"They'll be on you so fast your nuts will shrivel."

Harvey Kietel: "Not these nuts."

:rotfl:

[scandium]

To your point of deaths in Iraq. All, without exception, human beings die. There is no if, only when. People have and always will die in a way that is not fair, but no one ever stated that life is fair. With 25,000 abortions a week in the US we probably shouldn't be discussing innocent lives.

True, we all die one day, one way or another; but your commentary on life, abortion, and the loss of life in Iraq seems to cheapen the value of life to the point as though you were saying it has no meaning anyway, and that nobody is affected by the deaths of others. Tell that to the families of the killed GIs in Iraq and Afghanistan, or to the Iraqi families who too have lost their loved ones.

As to abortion, a fetus has never lived and is entirely dependent upon the body of the woman who carries it for it to ever become anything beyond that. This is not true of even a newborn baby, which is now an entity entirely separate from the mother and capable of survival (with proper care) even if the mother dies giving birth to the infant. So they are not the same, and a fetus is certainly not the same as a young child, wife, daughter, father, or son, all of whom are people who've lived lives that have in one way or another touched those they've come in contact with and the memories of whom will live on long after they themselves have died.

Though to be honest, I suspect that for most being "pro-life" has absolutely nothing to do with being pro-life (especially since so many favour capital punishment, which is absolutely not pro-life) and much more to do with forcing their own religious beliefs upon everyone else and/or maintaining the traditional status quo that allowed the men in our old patriachal society a last measure of control over women, and the one (in its intrusiveness and therefore degree of absolute and intimate control) that was the most profound.

But that's just what I think. *shrug*

[nikimcbee]

I don't know why people insist on bashing the Clintons so much considering they are no longer in the Whitehouse. :nope:

Republicans would rather bash a man for *******in the oval office than their current leader who has sent so many American childern and innocent Iraqis to their grave. What a shame!:nope:

Oh christ, here we go again.:nope:

...calling Costco, ordering pallet of popcorn.:D

[nikimcbee]

As strange as it may sound, LOTS of rumors abound of FDR ignoring reports of possible attacks againt the United States. And highlighting Hawaii in particular (esp. about the 2 carriers leaving PH shortly before the attack).

Perhaps history repeated itself? Or was history repeated intentionally?

before the black helicopter get me. Explain to me why blackhelicopter stuff flies for Bush, but is BS for FDR? Read "Day of Deceit". It's all recently declassified stuff to clear Kimmel and Short's names.

[nikimcbee]

Found this @ drudgereport.com

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060911/D8K2E1G80.html

..Talks about what they were pressured to edit out.

[The Avon Lady]

Found this @ drudgereport.com

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060911/D8K2E1G80.html

..Talks about what they were pressured to edit out.
Why talk when you can watch (http://hotair.com/archives/2006/09/10/video-path-to-911/)!

[joea]

As strange as it may sound, LOTS of rumors abound of FDR ignoring reports of possible attacks againt the United States. And highlighting Hawaii in particular (esp. about the 2 carriers leaving PH shortly before the attack).

Perhaps history repeated itself? Or was history repeated intentionally?

before the black helicopter get me. Explain to me why blackhelicopter stuff flies for Bush, but is BS for FDR? Read "Day of Deceit". It's all recently declassified stuff to clear Kimmel and Short's names.

That book is BS but that's grist for another thread.

[Konovalov]

As strange as it may sound, LOTS of rumors abound of FDR ignoring reports of possible attacks againt the United States. And highlighting Hawaii in particular (esp. about the 2 carriers leaving PH shortly before the attack).

Perhaps history repeated itself? Or was history repeated intentionally?

before the black helicopter get me. Explain to me why blackhelicopter stuff flies for Bush, but is BS for FDR? Read "Day of Deceit". It's all recently declassified stuff to clear Kimmel and Short's names.

That book is BS but that's grist for another thread.

Indeed you are right Joea. :yep: I'm sure that this topic has been discussed/debated in previous threads.

[joea]

Right so let's get back to 9/11 I would think there is plenty of blame to go around for both Repubs and Dems so why the finger pointing? Furthermore, institutions like the FBI and CIA are supposed independent of paetisan politcs. Which means any deficencies are not partisan. Well what do I know? :shifty:

[kiwi_2005]

Well ive watch it, and it wasn't bad at all. What made me angry is why take a whole plane full of ppl to their deaths, couldn't they had hijacked it on the ground release the pasengers then flew off? The reason they did it this way is so they wouldn't be shot down?:hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

Well ive watch it, and it wasn't bad at all. What made me angry is why take a whole plane full of ppl to their deaths, couldn't they had hijacked it on the ground release the pasengers then flew off? The reason they did it this way is so they wouldn't be shot down?:hmm:
Another chapter from early Islamic history — serving as a lesson for today's Muslims at war against the West — is the concept of the love of death. This originated at the Battle of Qadisiyya in the year 636, when the commander of the Muslim forces, Khalid ibn Al-Walid, sent an emissary with a message from Caliph Abu Bakr to the Persian commander, Khosru. The message stated: "You [Khosru and his people] should convert to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don't, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life." This account is recited in today's Muslim sermons, newspapers, and textbooks.
- Excerpt from Dealing in Death
(http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp)

[kiwi_2005]

Well ive watch it, and it wasn't bad at all. What made me angry is why take a whole plane full of ppl to their deaths, couldn't they had hijacked it on the ground release the pasengers then flew off? The reason they did it this way is so they wouldn't be shot down?:hmm: Another chapter from early Islamic history — serving as a lesson for today's Muslims at war against the West — is the concept of the love of death. This originated at the Battle of Qadisiyya in the year 636, when the commander of the Muslim forces, Khalid ibn Al-Walid, sent an emissary with a message from Caliph Abu Bakr to the Persian commander, Khosru. The message stated: "You [Khosru and his people] should convert to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don't, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life." This account is recited in today's Muslim sermons, newspapers, and textbooks.
- Excerpt from Dealing in Death
(http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp)

How can you Love Death? This is crazy, they love something that will take their life away :huh::nope:

[The Avon Lady]

How can you Love Death? This is crazy, they love something that will take their life away :huh::nope:
Eternal afterlife, 72 virgins, yada-yada.

[The Avon Lady]

How can you Love Death? This is crazy, they love something that will take their life away :huh::nope:
Eternal afterlife, 72 virgins, yada-yada.
Elementary Quran reading:

3.151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

3.157. And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.

3.158. And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! it is unto Allah that ye are brought together.

3.169. Think not of those who are slain in Allah.s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;

4.74. Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

4.76. Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

4.101. For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.

4.160. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from Allah.s Way;

4.161. That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men's substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.

5.14. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.

5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

9.38. O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.

9.111. Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

33.29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

47.4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.[/i]



Is this still news to anyone? :hmm:

[fredbass]

I have compassion for fellow americans who have suffered from that sad day, but I just have no interest in that or anything else similarly shown on the screen or television really. In my opinion, it's just another money making situation for a network.

I have my own life to worry about and that's enough for me. Watching any of those shows will do nothing to enhance my life whatsoever.

[Bellman]

Yahoshua : ''As strange as it may sound.............''

:doh: Most CTs (Conspiracy Theorists) belong with those suffering from the DTs (Delirium Tremens) :huh:

Present company excepted, of course.:)

[kiwi_2005]

How can you Love Death? This is crazy, they love something that will take their life away :huh::nope: Eternal afterlife, 72 virgins, yada-yada. Elementary Quran reading:

3.151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

3.157. And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.

3.158. And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! it is unto Allah that ye are brought together.

3.169. Think not of those who are slain in Allah.s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;

4.74. Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

4.76. Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

4.101. For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.

4.160. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from Allah.s Way;

4.161. That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men's substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.

5.14. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.

5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

9.38. O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.

9.111. Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

33.29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

47.4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.[/i]



Is this still news to anyone? :hmm:

Allah is Dog Tucker

[The Avon Lady]

Allah is Dog Tucker
Was he an adversary of Crocidile Dundy? :hmm:

[kiwi_2005]

Allah is Dog Tucker Was he an adversary of Crocidile Dundy? :hmm:

:huh:WTF! I have no idea, enough trick questions i say Your confusing me!:arrgh!: All i know is this Allah is dog tucker.

I need some sleep...

[tycho102]

I would just like to take this opportunity, on page three of this thread, to say: Praise Allah. Allah is Greatest.

[Onkel Neal]

I would just like to take this opportunity, on page three of this thread, to say: Praise Allah. Allah is Greatest.

Better not tell that to Muhammed Ali.