Are you converting to Islam or suffering the consequences?

[TteFAboB]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060902/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_video

Gadahn awaits your reply. Remember you can always choose to pay him tax instead. I don't know, however, how to proceed exactly. How is he supposed to know somebody has converted? Do we send him an e-mail? A letter? A video? Is he expecting a massive convertion that hits the news then?

Well, I'm not converting to the church of Al Qaeda nor paying any tax so I guess I have only one thing to tell him: NUTS!

[Ishmael]

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<Ishmael, that was a bit inappropriate... - Gizzmoe>

[Camaero]

Well, I'm not converting to the church of Al Qaeda nor paying any tax so I guess I have only one thing to tell him: NUTS!

:rotfl:

[Winston]

Hmm, so either…

(a) Convert to Islam
(b) Pay him money so he can fund more terrorism.

I think I’ll vote for option C, which is to kick his arse!

[The Avon Lady]

Where's the poll?! Where's the poll?!

[waste gate]

I went to a movie, ate some popcorn..........................I'll have an answer for them in afew days.:lol:

[Winston]

Where's the poll?! Where's the poll?!

There's one to the North and one to the South :p

[The Avon Lady]

Where's the poll?! Where's the poll?!
There's one to the North and one to the South :p
Ah, yes. Stanislaw and Wladyslaw.

[The Avon Lady]

Watch an idiot (http://hotair.com/archives/2006/09/02/maher-mocks-kidnaped-fox-news-journos-suggests-converting-to-islam/).

[Winston]

Hehe, I had to look on the internet to get that, the Stanislaw and Wladyslaw thing. So anyway, what is the tax these days for being non-Muslim? Two goats? Three?

[The Avon Lady]

So anyway, what is the tax these days for being non-Muslim? Two goats? Three?
These will wipe the smile off of your face:

The Myth of Islamic Tolerance: How Islamic Law Treats Non-Muslims, by Robert Spencer (http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Islamic-Tolerance-Treats-Non-Muslims/dp/1591022495/ref=pd_sim_dbs_b_2/002-3315969-5944002?ie=UTF8)

Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide, by Bat Yeor (http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Dhimmitude-Where-Civilizations-Collide/dp/0838639437/sr=8-2/qid=1157264921/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-3315969-5944002?ie=UTF8)

The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims, by Andrew G Bostom (http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Jihad-Islamic-Holy-Non-Muslims/dp/1591023076/ref=pd_sim_dbs_b_5/002-3315969-5944002?ie=UTF8) (heavy read but excellent reference)

[flyingdane]

WTF....IS this All About..:roll:

[scandium]

WTF....IS this All About..:roll:

Not much, just the usual anti-Muslim nonsense that you'll see posted daily in General Topics. Some members seem to never tire of beating this same tired horse.

[The Avon Lady]

WTF....IS this All About..:roll:

Not much, just the usual anti-Muslim nonsense that you'll see posted daily in General Topics. Some members seem to never tire of beating this same tired horse.
And it's Scandium, still at the gate!

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/462/231horseux8.jpg

[CB..]

i'm not converting..i prefer experienced women ...:D

[Skybird]

You know where I stand, so why a poll.

To hell with Islam.

It's the worst and most influential desaster mankind ever was haunted by. The glorification of stupidity and blindness; the murdering of logic and reason; the declaration of bancruptcy of human creativity, intuition, initiative, creational powers and ambitions - the triumph of fatalism, superstitious cult and headless copying of the sly self-justification of a murderous bandit, mass murderer and war criminal from the desert for whom the world was not enough, even beyond his death. It's the lethal enemy of all and everything that was positive in the developement of Western culture, ideas and values, arts and philosophy, science, knowledge and evolution of human mind. A declaration of war against all non-Muslim mankind, a declaration of will to destroy anything else and make all it's own and not to tolerate anyone else and just coexist with him. Totalitarism at it's best. It has brought "Verschlagenheit" to a mastery that I consider to be unique amongst all known ideologies. It is truly destructive, the negation of everything I believe to be of light and good and positive - thus impossible for me to arrange myself with it, you understand?

Zero tolerance for it. Words cannot brandmark it with enough contempt that it deserves. To hell with Islam. If the cosmos would have a bright, shining centre, Islam would be amongst the farthest and darkest places away from it.

[Takeda Shingen]

You know where I stand, so why a poll.

To hell with Islam.

It's the worst and most influential desaster mankind ever was haunted by. The glorification of stupidity and blindness; the murdering of logic and reason; the declaration of bancruptcy of human creativity, intuition, initiative, creational powers and ambitions - the triumph of fatalism, superstitious cult and headless copying of the sly self-justification of a murderous bandit, mass murderer and war criminal from the desert for whom the world was not enough, even beyond his death. It's the lethal enemy of all and everything that was positive in the developement of Western culture, ideas and values, arts and philosophy, science, knowledge and evolution of human mind. A declaration of war against all non-Muslim mankind, a declaration of will to destroy anything else and make all it's own and not to tolerate anyone else and just coexist with him. Totalitarism at it's best. It has brought "Verschlagenheit" to a mastery that I consider to be unique amongst all known ideologies. It is truly destructive, the negation of everything I believe to be of light and good and positive - thus impossible for me to arrange myself with it, you understand?

Zero tolerance for it. Words cannot brandmark it with enough contempt that it deserves. To hell with Islam. If the cosmos would have a bright, shining centre, Islam would be amongst the farthest and darkest places away from it.

You need to write a book of some type. It need not be about Islam, or anything in particular, for I would buy it just because I love your style of prose. I mean that sincerely.

[Skybird]

"Blush."

Actually I have written some stories and "novels" and poems in the past - like you do when you are young and are filled up to the top with enthusiasm :) Most I would not consider worth to be shown around today. My longest works were a re-novelization of Blade Runner, featuring the original German film dialogues, but filling them up with fictional descriptions, like a novel; one Star Trek novel set after STIII, named "Ground Zero" (no joke), and another ST novel of 600 pages, called "Blutsschatten", set between STV and STVI, and a Cyborg-criminal novel that combined chandler-styled black humour and style with an SF setting like in Blade Runner, "Der Mann der zweimal lebte". I also wrote a Western, but that thing went completely wrong :lol:

If you want, I can send you a 80 pages "Novelle", set in a fictional place in England after WWI, which is one of the few things I do not get a red face from today when showing it to others. It is in German, of course.

[tycho102]

I don't want 72 virgins, I want 72 sluts. So, no. I'm not going to be "converting".

On a related side note, it's fairly common knowledge in the states that girls in private Catholic schools have a greater propensity for.....un-holy........behavior. :D

[joea]

72 of these? http://www.runescaper.com/index.swf :88)

[CCIP]

All I unfortunately see in this is that these guys are just asking for the other side to start tolerating cutting heads off people that are perceived as threatening.

The end result I see in all this is a lot of cut off heads, from both sides, and nothing much else :nope:

[The Avon Lady]

72 of these? http://www.runescaper.com/index.swf :88)
That would teach 'em! :yep:

So would these (http://www.infolanka.com/jokes/messages/2664.html).:smug:

[Oberon]

Nah, sorry mate, don't do religion.

*Bang!*

Don't do anything now...oh well :D

[CB..]

:D here's one of those glaring obscenities that religion comes out with which would not be acceptable under any other circumstances..
these 72 virgins ..for example...whose daughters are they? (let us ASSUME for the time being they ARE in fact female) exactly how much choice did they have in the matter? what does a female "matyr" recieve on entering this "heaven".....
it's such a pig headed view of the universe that they should be considered genitically deficient for holding such views..and locked up in a mental hospital.and if it is true then we are allready in hell die-ing isn't going to make any difference !

nope...only religious groups can get away with esposing such principles as motivation for their followers.. yet they have as much influence over the world around them as ANY political party...political partys are bound by the law...they cannot simply say "God told us to institute this policy.." where-as a religious group can..it's about time this rediculous loophole in the human rights act was closed.. because it's this loophole that the extremists exploit to the fullest advantage...

[Skybird]

:D here's one of those glaring obscenities that religion comes out with which would not be acceptable under any other circumstances..
these 72 virgins ..for example...whose daughters are they? (let us ASSUME for the time being they ARE in fact female) exactly how much choice did they have in the matter? what does a female "matyr" recieve on entering this "heaven".....
it's such a pig headed view of the universe that they should be considered genitically deficient for holding such views..and locked up in a mental hospital.and if it is true then we are allready in hell die-ing isn't going to make any difference !

nope...only religious groups can get away with esposing such principles as motivation for their followers.. yet they have as much influence over the world around them as ANY political party...political partys are bound by the law...they cannot simply say "God told us to institute this policy.." where-as a religious group can..it's about time this rediculous loophole in the human rights act was closed.. because it's this loophole that the extremists exploit to the fullest advantage...

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http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=94195

Maybe it is just a typo, and the real meaning is one virgin of age 72 :lol:

However, the 72 huris probably are a misinterpretation. Sura 55, verse 72 reads like this: "72 Fair ones, close-guarded in pavilions ", the translation varies, the Arabic word for huri could mean the contrast between black and whhite, big-eyed, or even refer to "beautiful girl". Here it is translated as "fair ones". So, the 72 actually derives from the verse-number, where as the text reference may be to huris in general. Different quran translation differ in their explaantion of what a huri is. Some translations explicitly describe them as virgins that has not been touched neither by heavenly creatures/dschinns nor human man, others insisct that a huri is a sex-less creature, to be understood as a servant only, instead of an object of lust. Usually, that is my impression, interpretations that are more tame on such sensible issues and the querstion of violance are used to missionize us infidels and make Islam appear top be more freindly and harmless, whereas the more "hardcore" translations cirulate among "insiders", escpeically hardcore understood with regard to violance and intolerance.

But consider this: each day, for all eternity, at the end of the day you have to ask 72 times "Hi, how was your day?", and then listening to 72 different endless sermons that usually tend to pour out of a girl's mouth whenever you ask her how she is - isn't that another form of psychological torture? Seen that way, I really hope he gets his 72 huris, sexless or not. :lol:

[CB..]

hmmm .....as i was saying religions offer people incentives that would be intolarable and unnaceptable if offered by political partys....yet it is the political partys that have to abide by the law not the religion

the point here and it is an important one; is that if we are too assume that in some shape or form the followers of these religion believe these things to be true ..they act as if they were true ..they execute policy as if they were true..the instigate law as if they were true..they act politicaly as if they were true..

then then should be treated exactly the same as a political party....if by THIER logic what they believe is the truth..then it is no longer a faith ..it is a political organisation with an invisable un seen leader..

and subject to the law regarding political organisations in regards to the current understanding of human rights..

again simple

for some insane reason the law treats all religion as if it were some harmless pastime enjoyed by folks rather like fishing or stamp collecting....
religion has never and will never be a "harmless pastime"
it has allways been a powerfull and more often than not violent political force..and yet even as such has been set above the laws governing every other form of social movement
we have in fact given religious groups the inalienable right to treat other human beings as sub human..according to the tenants of their scripture

if there is any hope at all of resolving in any way by "conversation" the current divide between secular and muslim culture then it seems to me that entering into this debate is one of the best options we might have available...because it does not deny the existance of any-ones diety..yet allows for some debate surrounding the principles we allow sway in our lives..

[Fish]

"Blush."

Actually I have written some stories and "novels" and poems in the past - like you do when you are young and are filled up to the top with enthusiasm :) Most I would not consider worth to be shown around today. My longest works were a re-novelization of Blade Runner, featuring the original German film dialogues, but filling them up with fictional descriptions, like a novel; one Star Trek novel set after STIII, named "Ground Zero" (no joke), and another ST novel of 600 pages, called "Blutsschatten", set between STV and STVI, and a Cyborg-criminal novel that combined chandler-styled black humour and style with an SF setting like in Blade Runner, "Der Mann der zweimal lebte". I also wrote a Western, but that thing went completely wrong :lol:

If you want, I can send you a 80 pages "Novelle", set in a fictional place in England after WWI, which is one of the few things I do not get a red face from today when showing it to others. It is in German, of course.

J ust curious, ever tryed a publisher?

[Ishmael]

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<Ishmael, that was a bit inappropriate... - Gizzmoe>

Hey, by converting I could then declare them apostates & unbelievers and do unto them as they would do unto me. As far as the other part, I live in Native American country where Islam is considered just another one of the White Man's religions.

[Skybird]

J ust curious, ever tryed a publisher?

Two times, yes, a pack of three stories, and a short novel. No go - paperback only would have worked if it would have been a hardcover bestseller (novel) or famous writer (stories) before, and release programs of the publishers I contacted said they were booked for the coming 2-4 years and thus they did not accept unregular offers easily. And for hardcover release I would have needed to invest 5-10 thousand D-Marks in advance (novel) - go figure. I never was that serious about it, and back then did not have the money anyway. Today, I do not care about it anymore. If I would get serious about publishing, I would first contact a publisher today, and then write something completely new, a theatre play, maybe. But truth is, creativity, routine and ideas are gone.

[The Avon Lady]

I would have needed to invest 5-10 thousand D-Marks in advance (novel) - go figure.
Have you ever considered rolling your own (http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/products/books)? :hmm: