Scapa Flow: The East Approach

[Deep-Six]

U-47
04-09-39, U-47 is about to enter Scapa Flow from the eastern approach.

Almost midnight, a VW DD forced U-47 to submerge.

More to come...

Has anyone tried getting into Scapa Flow at night from the east?

WARNING: there are alot of wrecked ships.

[SteamWake]

U-47
04-09-39, U-47 is about to enter Scapa Flow from the eastern approach.

Almost midnight, a VW DD forced U-47 to submerge.

More to come...

Has anyone tried getting into Scapa Flow at night from the east?

WARNING: there are alot of wrecked ships.

Many times not to hard early in the war. Later on its suicide.

[Mooncatt]

yes i have, i went through this little tight stretch of water however i kept hitting something took hardly any damage at all, no sub nets nothing, there were a lot of ship wrecks about though mmmmmm :-?

[stabiz]

Been through there tons of times, its the best way to enter and exit.

[Deep-Six]

I am now trapped in the harbour by 7 DDs, and no way out.

After I take care of a med tanker and a freighter then I will deal w/ the DDs.

Slowly running out of Co2, will need to leave soon.

[Safe-Keeper]

Getting in is easy - you just go through the Eastern approach. Finding and attacking a target's pretty easy, too.

Getting out, now there's the problem:o.

[enaceo]

Been there lots of times in the early war period,no real problems.
Later on, ...I only went once and got hammered to bits by abut 5 dd's + land defences .Never been there late-war since:D

[Deep-Six]

The DD count is now down by one. He committed suicide.

There are still six out there.

6 hours of Co2 left.

[mr chris]

Go on Deep-Six give them hell :arrgh!:
You can do it:up:

[Dowly]

The last time I visited Flow, I went thru the eastern approach, sank a tanker and a small merchant. When I was heading back home, 6 DD´s tried to hunt me down, but they only ran aground. :rotfl:

[Deep-Six]

One minor correction, that it was no freighter, but a troopship.:o

He will die on my last salvo of eels.

[BigBadVuk]

....

Slowly running out of Co2, will need to leave soon.


Err...U cant run out of CO2..becose that is what you breath out.. :D
If you dont surface you can get out of O2(the only thing that our body can use from air,which is actualy mixture of gasses),but trust me you will finaly get a lot of CO2,so many actualy that it will poison all your crew and make ghost-ship of your Uboat :know:

[Sailor Steve]

Well, to be specific, CO2 isn't a poison; it just keeps you from getting any O2, so you die from lack of oxygen.

[Deep-Six]

Of the 4 eels, one was not loaded yet. 3 of them tore into the troopship

cutting it in half. Crew cheered.:D

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I snuck in the eastern approach on my first patrol, the same route Prien took when he sunk the Royal Oak. It's easy, right now (late '39), but I seem to recall that Churchill ordered another blockship sunk to block that path.

Btw, I guess renown is actually rewarded on the basis of what is PERCEIVED to be important by the Kriegsmarine, i.e., battleships over carriers (even though the time of the BB is already past)

[bigboywooly]

I snuck in the eastern approach on my first patrol, the same route Prien took when he sunk the Royal Oak. It's easy, right now (late '39), but I seem to recall that Churchill ordered another blockship sunk to block that path.

Btw, I guess renown is actually rewarded on the basis of what is PERCEIVED to be important by the Kriegsmarine, i.e., battleships over carriers (even though the time of the BB is already past)

At the outset of the war noone realised how important aircraft were going to be - especially at sea
The BB was still king and the German ones could in theory cause havok among convoys if they got loose so the British BB spent a lot of time tied up waiting just in case the German surface ships appeared

We know now it was the end for BB

As for Scape flow

Apart from sinking more blockships after the Royal Oak - Churchill had 4 stone barriers built in the eastern approach - causeways in effect ,linking the islands together
Built by Italian POWs

http://www.scapaflow.co.uk/

[Deep-Six]

I did make it out of the Flow.

But not unscathed. 85% hull damage.

Will I go back in, maybe.

Hartlepool is next on my list.:)

[Dillinger022]

I only bother raiding ports with warships bigger than DDs in them. The only such British ports are Bristol (1 Armed Merchant Cruiser), Dover (2 CLs), Loch Ewe (1 CL and 1 BB), and Scapa Flow (too much stuff to list). Reykjavik also contains 1 CL.

[Shahed]

My suggestion is to go the Western route, keep North and enter through there you can see the whole bay surfaced, at night, or submerged if you prefer. ;)

You can pick your targets, watch all the patrols and mark their routes. Been there few times, never got detected. Always used this route. If you mark the patrols you can time your movement and your attack to go right in between them. They can't get to you in time if you time it right.

You can also hide inside the port itself, in the vacant spaces or simply very very close to another ship. If anyone wants to attack you, if they discover you, they will have to crash into something or another.

I once saw a friend who took my advice and sat 1 meter above the ground next to a cargo. A destoyer had already picked him up, eventually the destroyer got stuck in the confined space, and the uboot flank speeded out of there for 500 meters. Then at 1 know till exit point. The destroyer took 30 minutes ot get out of it, and then he rammed a wall, LOL. :rotfl:

[Pants]

I entered scarpa in 43 after an outstanding patrol 17,000 tonns and downed a few aircraft :D upto this point, my curiosity got the better of me...i had used up more torps than i would of liked...however i did have 3 left so i thought " what the hell, why not " made it in NO prob..saw 2 ships and T3 and a coastal merchant, so you guys can guess what i went for, yup the tanker...aimed a spread all hit WOOT. Down she goes after 3/4 of an hour, by this time i needed to get outa there a.s.a.p but my route was blocked by atleast 6 DD's by this time the weather was getting worse :( my conning tower popped out of the water and ALL HELL broke loose, DD's DG's, Land based Artillary you name it opened up on me " ALARM!! " i went as deep as i could..almost scraping the bottom, tried to out maneuver the DD's without any luck, i got constant DC'd well long story short...

All hands Lost, Scarpa Flow 14.09.43 :damn:

[Dillinger022]

I had to ditch my U-47 career (1939/2nd Flotilla) during my raid on Scapa because I had hired too many crewmen. So now I'm starting a brand new career for the 2nd time. This time I'm U-51 (1939/2nd Flotilla). For my 2nd patrol (I always do nothing for my first patrol due to the upgrade/no credit bug) I've decided to raid Dover.

I play at 56% realism with only the following realism options disabled:
-Manual Targeting System (however, I manually setup each torpedo prior to firing)
-No Event Camera (makes the game more enjoyable to me)
-No External View (makes the games more enjoyable to me)
-Limited Fuel (only option I feel guilty, from a historical accuracy point of view, of
not using but it makes the game more enjoyable to me)

2 British CLs awaiting destruction in Dover in October, 1939.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4378/ghed7.png

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I snuck in the eastern approach on my first patrol, the same route Prien took when he sunk the Royal Oak. It's easy, right now (late '39), but I seem to recall that Churchill ordered another blockship sunk to block that path.

Btw, I guess renown is actually rewarded on the basis of what is PERCEIVED to be important by the Kriegsmarine, i.e., battleships over carriers (even though the time of the BB is already past)
At the outset of the war noone realised how important aircraft were going to be - especially at sea
The BB was still king and the German ones could in theory cause havok among convoys if they got loose so the British BB spent a lot of time tied up waiting just in case the German surface ships appeared

We know now it was the end for BB

As for Scape flow

Apart from sinking more blockships after the Royal Oak - Churchill had 4 stone barriers built in the eastern approach - causeways in effect ,linking the islands together
Built by Italian POWs

http://www.scapaflow.co.uk/

Well...having something like the Bismarck loose in the Atlantic might have compelled convoys to scatter if it got near them. And then the subs would have had a field day.


Some people did realize the importance of the aircraft carrier at the time, I guess, like Billy Mitchell (who's career was ended for saying so) and Yamamoto. The military is notorious for being conservative in matters such as these, which makes sense as it involves the highest stakes possible.

[stabiz]

Yes, thinking out of the box is normally praised after the war.

[bigboywooly]

I like this example of the man in the field had the best knowledge


xxxi. Tirpitz was attacked by 12 Albacore from HMS Victorious at 0925 / 9th off the Lofoten Islands. Tirpitz was steaming and manouvering desperately at 30 knots in a 35 mph headwind, and the Albacore were unable to attack from ahead. Instead the flight commander ordered attacks by individual flights, which were avoided. No hits were achieved. One torpedo passed 10 meters behind the stern of Tirpitz. 2 Albacore were lost.
xxxii. A dispute broke out on the bridge of Tirpitz. Admiral Ciliax ordered the helmsman to turn to port, Kapitan Topp shouted “Hard a-starboard. I am in command of this ship, Sir, and not you. Helmsman, obey my orders, hard a-starboard”. The helmsman turned to starboard to avoid a torpedo. One torpedo missed Tirpitz’s stern by 10 meters. Immediately after the action, Cilax awarded Topp with the Iron Cross on the bridge of his ship.

Hehe