IDF house-to-house combat footage from Lebanon

[The Avon Lady]

I still have knots in my stomach from watching it:

War Movie (http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/08/war_movie.html).

[Iceman]

Thank you for posting this link AL.I can see the Love for each other there and the Love of Israel...thank you again for that...you have a friend here in your fight...it is everyone who loves peace's fight.

[Fish]

A journalist with iron balls. :)

[Skybird]

..... :up:

[Yahoshua]

Link is dead....methinks the green goblins got to it (aka beaureaucrats).

[The Avon Lady]

Link is dead....methinks the green goblins got to it (aka beaureaucrats).
It's working just fine. Did you read what it says there:

Note: To watch the movie, copy and paste the url below into a new window. For some reason it won't work if you click on it.

[TteFAboB]

Very interesting.

Another evidence that the Hizbullah does not obey the Geneva convention in the slightest, therefore they do not classify or qualify for the "freedom fighters" category and could be executed on sight if captured alive, had that been the case. Even the Columbian FARC is less treacherous, a more worthy enemy.

Secondly, there we see it again. An AT weapon inside a "house". Who owns that house? Whose name is on the property scripture? If a civillian, did he voluntarily allowed the Hizbollah to stash ammunition inside or was he "convinced" to do so?

There is a feeling of WWI though, despite the enemy being far less tolerable than any European army ever was, perhaps the territory is no man's land.

[Yahoshua]

I'm doing as the instructions tell me to but when WMP comes up there's a screen saying that no such information exists.

Are you using a different player than WMP?

[Skybird]

Different than what the page says, for me it does not work to paste and copy the link. Just clicking on it did the trick for me.

[Spoon 11th]

Works fine.

copy and paste this link (http://switch248-01.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=209947&ak=63628786)

[Yahoshua]

Still nothing...I suspect that either Homeland Security got to it or something in WMP is completely blocking me.

[Camaero]

Also, try right clicking that link and save as. Save to your desktop or something. Might help.

[Yahoshua]

Finally!!

Thx for the help.....I'll post my reply when I finish watching it.

*EDIT*

Well, a couple of mistakes I noticed were:

1. No designated Marksmen were posted to provide point-supression for the soldiers going into the houses (to the best of my knowledge).

2. Probably the obvious one, was the mistake in assuming the house was empty, AND assuming that there are no booby-traps/time-delay bombs present.

3. The cover fire provided by the Merkava and Artillery may have put the terrorists on alert. So Hizbullah could've been waiting for the troopers the whole time they were moving through the orchard.

Other than that, it was a job well done. Only lightly wounded troopers, no funerals to plan, and just a couple of rats that have landed a new job feeding worms.

[The Noob]

Can't someone upload this to You Tube? Such Windows Media Player Streamings make my little Conncetion Freak out.

[JSLTIGER]

Great vid...finally something that proves that the Israelis aren't just randomly murdering people as the media would have us believe.

To the Israelis: B'Hatzlacha!

[kiwi_2005]

Farout AL, :nope: i put your link up on a kiwi forum for reason so pp can watch a real fire-fight and all i got was critisim! "It was edited by the isrealis", "wheres the proof that they were wearing isreali uniforms"! "The video looked like it was re-edited" blah blah blah, winge winge winge yada yade yada!. Only one thanked me for the link as he was Jewish and was grateful to have watched it.

[Camaero]

Farout AL, :nope: i put your link up on a kiwi forum for reason so pp can watch a real fire-fight and all i got was critisim! "It was edited by the isrealis", "wheres the proof that they were wearing isreali uniforms"! "The video looked like it was re-edited" blah blah blah, winge winge winge yada yade yada!. Only one thanked me for the link as he was Jewish and was grateful to have watched it.

And that is what is wrong with the world today...:down:

[Yahoshua]

Just goes to show that a wide range of issues are truly polarized.

You believe if you want to believe, or you swallow what you first get to.

The only indecisives I know of are ppl who are too afraid or too timid to express themselves.

[Camaero]

Forget about Mel Gibson, the whole world is anti-semitic. Whenever Israel goes to defend itself everyone cries at the Israelis to cool it and to back off. No other country is forced to take this kind of abuse.

Oh no the evil Israelis are at it again! :roll:

I was hoping that Israel would finish it this time. They will just be back in another few years now and the cycle will continue.

[The Avon Lady]

Oh no the evil Israelis are at it again! :roll:
Read The media war against Israel (http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1316), by Melanie Phillips, author of Londonistan (http://www.amazon.com/Londonistan-Melanie/dp/1594031444/sr=8-1/qid=1157009121/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3315969-5944002?ie=UTF8).

[Camaero]

Oh no the evil Israelis are at it again! :roll:
Read The media war against Israel (http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1316), by Melanie Phillips, author of Londonistan (http://www.amazon.com/Londonistan-Melanie/dp/1594031444/sr=8-1/qid=1157009121/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3315969-5944002?ie=UTF8).

Good article. I might have to get that book.

Is anyone else as sick of hearing about "Israeli aggression" as I am?:stare:

[Skybird]

Farout AL, :nope: i put your link up on a kiwi forum for reason so pp can watch a real fire-fight and all i got was critisim! "It was edited by the isrealis", "wheres the proof that they were wearing isreali uniforms"! "The video looked like it was re-edited" blah blah blah, winge winge winge yada yade yada!. Only one thanked me for the link as he was Jewish and was grateful to have watched it.
I set it up at stealbeasts.com, too.

[bradclark1]

Israel should get the facts together then sue the various media outfits for libel. That would be interesting.

[The Avon Lady]

Israel should get the facts together then sue the various media outfits for libel. That would be interesting.
I have a better idea: declare the BBC, AP, Reuters, AFP, and All-That-Jazzeera as terrorist organizations. :hmm:

[joea]

Bye bye press freedom, hello totalitarianism. :yep:

[The Avon Lady]

Bye bye press freedom, hello totalitarianism. :yep:
There will be plenty of people to take their place and easily do a more honest job.

[tycho102]

Let's compromise.

Over in Arabia, mujahideen use the "media" to reconnoiter. They sign up as a "stringer", because the white European guys would be shot by mujahideen. So they climb into a Reuters' car, drive down next to the American/Israeli positions, make sure to scan past prominent landmarks to give trajectory and angular information, then run that right back to mujahideen headquarters. This makes perfect sense, since you fight a war with the army you have, not the one you'd like to have. You steal UN and American uniforms and use them to deceive the enemy long enough to cause a "friendly fire" incident.

So.

On sight: Shoot anyone with a camera (video/still) or cell phone. Use cluster bombs with 40,000 BB's for massed formations. Send in HARM missiles tuned to cell phone frequencies and C-band satellite uplinks. Drop electrical power production to zero. Put up a Predator drone with a wide-band receiver, and any transmissions garner a HARM right up the keister. Shoot anyone with night vision goggles, too.

[joea]

Bye bye press freedom, hello totalitarianism. :yep: There will be plenty of people to take their place and easily do a more honest job.

"Honest" according to whom? Anyway awesome video tough soldiers that's for sure.

[TteFAboB]

Oh the video is edited?! How many kiwis did it take to figure that one out? The same number necessary to elect Hellen Clark? Damn and here I was thinking you could go from day to night in just a second! You know, time-machines and stuff. And I also thought the reporter carried a 3D Computer Generated Imagery-Animation crew with portable laptops to create the 3D animations in real-time as they moved...

[The Avon Lady]

A read, instead of a movie, for a change:

On the El-Khiam Ridge (http://gloria.idc.ac.il/columns/2006/spyer/08_30.html).

[joea]

Again, real guts these men, especially the company comander Biche (and what a horrible wound to have):dead: I must say, the tone is VERY different from most other news, including Fox news and the like. Certainly honest reporting (don't be shocked guys).

[kiwi_2005]

Oh the video is edited?! How many kiwis did it take to figure that one out? The same number necessary to elect Hellen Clark? Damn and here I was thinking you could go from day to night in just a second! You know, time-machines and stuff. And I also thought the reporter carried a 3D Computer Generated Imagery-Animation crew with portable laptops to create the 3D animations in real-time as they moved...
Hey i dont even agree with what they said in fact i said a few words to them where i was warned by the moderator to tone my language down abit :rotfl: But then your always find the types on forums that will disagree with everything.

And as for our Helen Clark, its time she left the building!

[Yahoshua]

Regarding Journalism and some of the ironies associated with it:

Column One: Terrorist theater tricks
Caroline Glick, THE JERUSALEM POST
August 29, 2006


What are we seeing when we watch events from the Middle East on our television screens? Is it news or is it terrorist theater?

Let us observe two media events which occurred on Sunday in Gaza. Sunday afternoon released hostages and Fox News journalists Steven Centanni and Olaf Wiig spoke before the cameras. The fact of their release and their statements were reported by more than 1,000 news organizations throughout the world.

At the press conference, Centanni and Wiig, who were forced by their Palestinian captors to convert to Islam, praised the Palestinians. Centanni said, "I just hope this never scares a single journalist away from coming to Gaza to cover this story because the Palestinian people are a very beautiful, kind-hearted and caring people that the world need[s] to know more about." Wiig similarly praised the Palestinians.

While their remarks were covered extensively, no one seemed to think that the fact that their first post-release statements were made at a Palestinian Authority sponsored media extravaganza in Gaza was significant. No one noted that the men were flanked by Palestinian "security forces," and stood next to Hamas terrorist leader and Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh.

No mention was made of the fact that the two were initially kidnapped by just such PA "security officials," or that Haniyeh is one of the leaders of one of the most fanatical jihadist organizations in the world, an organization that the majority of the "beautiful, kind-hearted and caring" Palestinians voted into office last January.

That is, no mention was made of the fact that until the two men left Gaza, they remained unfree. No one asked whether they had been given the option of not giving a press conference in Gaza. And now that they have spoken, there can be little doubt that a second press conference by the two men, in Israel or the US where no one will force them to convert to Judaism or Christianity or threaten to kill them, will draw far less media interest. After their press conference, the two men became yesterday's news.

Conveniently, the same day the PA released the men who its own forces had kidnapped, Reuters reported that the IDF had shot a missile at its press vehicle and wounded two cameramen - one from Reuters and one from Iranian World TV network - while they were en route to a battle taking place between IDF forces and Palestinian terrorists. Reuters, which is demanding an independent investigation into the attack, is portraying its cameraman Fadel Shana as an embattled hero who would do anything to bring the truth to the world.

Yet it is unclear why anyone should believe either Shana or Reuters. Shana told Reuters that as he was driving to the battle scene, "I suddenly saw fire and the doors of the jeep flew open." He claims to have been wounded by shrapnel in his hand and leg. These are minor injuries for someone whose vehicle was just hit by a missile.

But then, the photographs taken of his vehicle after the purported missile attack give no indication that the car was hit by anything. There is a gash on the roof. The hood is bent out of shape. But nothing seems to have been burned. Cars hit by missiles do not look like they have just been in a nasty accident. Cars hit by missiles are destroyed.

Yet the glass on the windshield and the windows of Shana's vehicle isn't even shattered. In the photographs taken of Shana on the way to the hospital in Gaza, he lies on a stretcher, eyes closed, arm extended in full pieta mode. He is not visibly bleeding although there are some blood stains on his shirt, but then his undershirt is completely white.

I did not see these pictures in the media coverage of the purported IDF attack on the Reuters and Iranian cameramen. I saw them on Powerlineblog Web site. I did not see any questions raised from either the Israeli or the international media on the veracity of Shana's tale, which of course, provides a nice balance to the Centanni-Wiig hostage story.

AS IS the case with the Palestinian war against Israel, one of the most notable aspects of Hizbullah's latest campaign against Israel has been the active collaboration of news organizations and international NGO's in Hizbullah's information war against Israel. Like their rogue state sponsors, subversive sub-national groups like Hizbullah, Fatah and Hamas, see information operations as an integral part of their war for the annihilation of Israel and defeat of the West. And their information operations are more advanced than any the world has seen. As becomes more evident with each passing day, they have successfully corrupted both the world media and the community of NGOs that purportedly operate in a neutral manner in war zones.

It is not a coincidence that I saw the pictures of the Reuters' vehicle on Powerline and not in the media coverage of the purported attack. Both the global media and the international NGO community abjectly refuse to investigate themselves. As democratic governments and their militaries have proven incapable of dealing with the phenomenon (in part because they seek to curry favor with the media and the international NGO community), the blogosphere has taken upon itself the role of media watchdog.

BLOGGERS HAVE become a critical component of the free world's defense in the current war. During the Hizbullah campaign in Lebanon, bloggers scrutinized coverage of the war in a way that has never been done before. Their work has exposed the dirty secret of the Middle East that the media has hidden for so many years: The global media and the international NGO community, which profess to be neutral observers, are in fact colluding with terrorist organizations.

The blogosphere, and particularly Little Green Footballs, Powerline, Zombietime, Michelle Malkin, and EU Referendum, have relentlessly exposed the systematic staging of news events, fabrication of attacks against relief workers, and doctoring of photographic images by Hizbullah with the active assistance of international organizations and the global media.

The International Committee of the Red Cross, with its internationally mandated status as a protected organization, is particularly culpable. The blogoshere - and specifically EU Referendum and Zombietime Web sites - have shown that Red Cross employees in Tyre and Kana fabricated from whole cloth a tale of an Israeli airstrike against Red Cross ambulances in Kana on July 23. In an exhaustively documented report, "How the Media Legitimized an Anti-Israel Hoax and Changed the Course of a War," Zombietime showed how Red Cross employees took an old, rusty ambulance and alleged that the IAF had attacked it with a missile that blew a hole straight through the middle of the red cross on the ambulance's roof.

The Red Cross allegation was reported as fact by such "credible" news organizations as Associated Press, Time magazine, the BBC, ITV, The New York Times, The Guardian, The Age, MSNBC, The Los Angeles Times and the Boston Globe. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch both published accounts of the attack as evidence of Israeli "war crimes" in Lebanon.

Zombietime clearly proved from simple scrutiny of the photographs taken of the ambulance, that the hole in the cross was not the result of a missile attack but the work of the ambulance manufacturer. It was the hole for an air vent. The pock marks on the roof were the result of age and decay. There had been no fire in the ambulance. There was no attack. It was a complete fabrication, concocted by Red Cross employees who enjoy their protected status because their organization has pledged its neutral status in this and all wars.

ONE WEEK later, as EU Referendum reports in a similarly detailed investigation of the much condemned IAF bombing of Kana on July 30, (which actually happened a mile north of Kana at Khuraybah village), Red Cross relief workers actively participated in the staging of a perverted media extravaganza where the bodies of dead children were paraded about before the waiting camera crews for hours and hours.

Rather than demand that the ICRC account for the clear breach of its binding commitment to neutrality, and rather than attack the Lebanese Red Cross for its active collaboration with Hizbullah, the international media has attacked the bloggers. They are brushed off as "Israel supporters," and "right-wing extremists." The aim of these brush-offs is to convince "right thinking" citizens that they oughtn't have anything to do with these champions of truth and human decency.

As each day passes, the governments, formal and informal legal apparatuses, and media of free societies show themselves to be less and less capable of contending with the information operations conducted against their societies by subversive forces seeking their destruction.

As each day passes it becomes clear that the responsibility of protecting our nations and societies from internal disintegration has passed to the hands of individuals, often working alone, who refuse to accept the degradation of their societies and so fight with the innovative tools of liberty to protect our way of life. The vigilance of just a handful of bloggers brought us the knowledge of the corruption of our media and the network of global NGOs that we have come to rely on to tell us the "objective" truth.

It is up to all citizens of the free world, who value our freedom to recognize this corruption, applaud the bloggers and join them in refusing to allow these corrupt institutions to cloud our commitment to freedom.


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[John Pancoast]

Thanks for the link.

I'm having a hard time trying to understand the logic of the tactics used here; go in, seize objective, then leave objective to be re-occupied again !?! :damn:

[Yahoshua]

The Army and the politicians are at war with eachother:

The Army does their job by taking ground and killing bad guys.

The politicians screw it up by giving away land and releasing bad guys.

Go figure.....cuz I don't have an answer for that.

[The Avon Lady]

I'm having a hard time trying to understand the logic of the tactics used here; go in, seize objective, then leave objective to be re-occupied again !?! :damn:
Interesting but sad analysis of this whole mission here (http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015190.php#015190).

[Yahoshua]

Yep....similar to my analysis, and covering points I dodn't elaborate on. (shame on me for missing them to begin with :nope: ).

[bradclark1]

Thanks for the link.

I'm having a hard time trying to understand the logic of the tactics used here; go in, seize objective, then leave objective to be re-occupied again !?! :damn:
That's what happens when politicians run the war. That was the same problem with LBJ and Vietnam.

[John Pancoast]

I'm having a hard time trying to understand the logic of the tactics used here; go in, seize objective, then leave objective to be re-occupied again !?! :damn:
Interesting but sad analysis of this whole mission here (http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015190.php#015190).

Never thought I'd see the day when the IDF would botch a major operation :(

All the best Avon Lady; I have a feeling things are going to be even hotter in your neck of the woods in the near future :(