Is your Rubbish Bin spyinging on you?

[STEED]

Welcome to 1984 here in England. :nope:


Electronic bugs turning up in Britain's rubbish bins

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Sunday August 27, 12:36 AM




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LONDON (AFP) - Bugs are turning up in garbage bins in Britain -- and they're not the insect kind.
Some 500,000 "wheelie bins" have been secretly fitted with tiny electronic devices, each with a unique serial number, the Mail on Sunday newspaper reported.
The little gizmos are scanned as a bin is emptied when the garbage truck comes around -- enabling local authorities back at their offices to track the garbage habits of each household.
"A crucial element is the ability to identify specific bins and record when they are emptied," said a spokesman for Deister, a German company that is marketing the technology.
"That information can be applied in many different ways."
Local authorities in England using the devices -- which can be found under a bin's front lip -- included Crewe, Nantwich, Peterborough, South Norfolk, Woking, and Devizes in Wiltshire.


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/26082006/323/electronic-bugs-turning-britain-s-rubbish-bins.html


'Bin brother' fear over wheelie tag

Press Association
Sunday August 27, 2006 8:13 AM
Half a million household wheelie bins have been secretly tagged with hidden electronic "bugs", it has been reported.
The tiny devices identify each bin so that records can be kept on the waste disposal habits of its owners, and up to 500,000 bins in council districts across England are thought to have already been fitted.
The move has raised fears that some local authorities may be planning to charge residents for the weight of rubbish they collect.
The devices carry a unique serial number which can be scanned when the bin is tipped into a refuse lorry.
Some lorries carry weighing equipment which collect how much rubbish is collected and link the information to the appropriate bin.
Areas where the devices are said to be in use include Crewe, Nantwich, Peterborough, South Norfolk, Woking and Devizes in Wiltshire.
German firm Deister, which has a base in Spalding, Lincolnshire, is one of several firms selling the technology.
A similar controversy also emerged in Ryde, a suburb of Sydney, Australia, earlier this week.
Residents accused the local authority of acting like "Big Brother" after workers suddenly began fitting the devices to the rims of an estimated 90,000 bins.
The devices use Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technology which have also been used to identify objects as diverse as animals, vehicles and expensive goods.
© Copyright Press Association Ltd 2006, All Rights Reserved.

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[TteFAboB]

Ha! I trust you Brits will start disappearing with your garbage yourselves. Hide it in your backyard and take it to the nearest water body alternating days and hours.

Either that or something that doesn't involve contaminating water. Actually try my favourite: sabotage.
:arrgh!:

Really, take some teenagers, the same that gather in gangs to vandalize and commit petty crimes and give them some sort of electronic device capable of "erasing" or "burning" these tags, let them run all day long messing around with the bins all over your area. If their homicidal friends don't get jail, these little punks have nothing to worry about.

This isn't new to me anyway, once upon a time a stalinist Mayor decided to implement a garbage tax, which is unconstitutional because such a thing is included in the land tax. It wasn't as 1984 as this is because the fundamental orwellian piece was missing: technology (but the intention was the same nonetheless). There was no way to measure and charge the tax. So we received a kind letter demanding us to select how much tax we had to pay based on the amount of monthly garbage we produced. From the research I did with the help of some neighbors, I discovered that the entire neighborhood had declared the least amount of garbage, which was something really ridiculously minimal, like a super-market bag full or something like that, which amounted to 10$ a month. It was really funny to look at the garbage truck crew, they knew there was a hell lot more garbage than just some little bags and yet, while the bill promised severe punishments for liars like us, nothing ever happened because if the Mayor had infact attempted to enforce that junk of a law, he'd get impeached and trashed with so many law suits he'd have to flee to Kyrgystan.

Next election we elected a decent Mayor who had promised during the campaign to get rid of this abomination of a law and he fulfilled his promise, also thanks to the city council which was emptied from the previous Mayor's supporters who had voted for the bill.

My condolences STEED.:( :down:

[STEED]

My condolences STEED.:( :down:

Thanks:up:

Any chance you can nip across the pond with your baseball bat? :ping:

[bradclark1]

I think the UK is going to be the first Big Brother state in the world. :yep:

[August]

What strikes me is the sheer waste of tax payer money to create such a system. A far simpler move would be what they do in some communities here in the states; Require all trash to be put in special bags.

[STEED]

I think the UK is going to be the first Big Brother state in the world. :yep:

Your next. ;)

Don't Panic there is still some of us left who know what's going on and we shall fight Big Brother. :ping:

[CB..]

Don't Panic there is still some of us left who know what's going on and we shall fight Big Brother. :ping:
that's if they are not too busy watching it...:nope:

[STEED]

Don't Panic there is still some of us left who know what's going on and we shall fight Big Brother. :ping:
that's if they are not too busy watching it...:nope:

Not that rubbish :rotfl:

The real threat. :x

Hang on your pulling my leg. :D :lol:

[tycho102]

I don't see what's so "wrong" about this.

Everyone's trash gets mixed together in the truck. If someone is going to be searching your trash, it's not going to be any easier with an RFID tag in the bin than without one.

If they're charging you by weight, don't see what's so bad about that. Trash gets compacted, so volume doesn't make as much a difference.

What might be a problem is if you've got seperate bins for recycling. If someone consistently puts glass in the plastic bin, it might be easier to spot and nail them. Again, I see nothing wrong with that. Police your bins if you've got kids. Responsibility.





Now, if the damn garbage service is going through scanning all the RFID tags IN your trash, using the bin to associate them with you, and then selling that information off to bloody Microsoft and British Petroleum, then I could take issue with that. And that right there, gentle ladies and men, is likely where the damn thing is headed.

My policy is to just start blasting corporate executives and let God sort them all out.

[Kapitan]

Well i think its an ok idea it can help us dustman work out what we can take and what we cant (wieght wise) at the moment our lorrys can or only ment to take 26 tonnes, we have managed to squeeze 27.840 onto our lorry with this spy thing we can avoid overloading the lorry.

However basildon council dustmen do not use wheelie bins we only take bags so we are back to square one.

[STEED]

Try this out.

Your council fails to reach the E.U. Directive and is fined by the EU, the result your council is out of pocket. How dose the council gets it's money back? Answer raise your council tax. And we all know, here in the U.K. how useless are councils are. :nope:

[Kapitan]

Southend council last year dumped three recycling loads on pitsea tip result the council was fined £5,000 per load and the top manager of waste sacked to make up for the loss southend raised council tax by 2% and made more than it lost.

[STEED]

I see from your point of view Kap for you dustmen a good idea but from the council view point, it dose not look good for the council tax payer. I am having problems paying the tax now.

[lesrae]

I see from your point of view Kap for you dustmen a good idea but from the council view point, it dose not look good for the council tax payer. I am having problems paying the tax now.

I've got no problem with paying for garbage by weight, we now recycle food, metal, glass and paper so all that really goes in the bin is plastic and the contents of the cat's litter tray, and if we cut down on her food then that'll be lighter too. The main problem is that they won't reduce the current charge, then add on the charge according to weight, they'll just add it on to what we pay now.

Not to get too OT, but I have no kids (and no intention of having any) and pay £100 a month Council Tax, exactly the same as my neighbour who has 3 kids at primary school - so how's that fair? I reckon they should tag the kids.

[CB..]

Don't Panic there is still some of us left who know what's going on and we shall fight Big Brother. :ping:
that's if they are not too busy watching it...:nope:

Not that rubbish :rotfl:

The real threat. :x

Hang on your pulling my leg. :D :lol:

well sort off...i still reckon that programs such as BB and the endless similar entertainment programs based allmost entirely around setting people aginst each other for the sake of maintaining ratings for major TV companys and their advertisers are gradualy nudgeing the general public towards the sort of mindset desired by the powers that be..whew bit of a mouth full..lol..

[Kapitan]

I feel for ya steed man i do i pay my council tax of £1300 a year and the worst bit is if these bins come into force the home owner will be forced to buy them and it wont be cheap i would immagine around £40 per bin !

But as it stands i have this argument on nearly a daily basis about "i pay my council tax so you can get paid blah blah blah"

Well you do but we have sat down and worked out that around £6.75 out of your whole council tax will go to the refuse collectors (dustmen) thats out of one house now on one route we can do any where from 1200 to 2200 houses each day so its not alot of money.

The rest of your tax goes to pointless projects such as a new statue commemorating the mayor or a new park bench, or maybe if your lucky a fountain that the public will never see because its inside the council offices.

Basicaly everyones council spends alot of money on pointless crap, if i sat down worked it all out i could probably say that i should realy only pay around £750 - £850 a year tax not the £1300 im paying now.

But again its thanks to our local MP's who just want to see thier own figure coverd with piegon poo in the high street.

[STEED]

From councils to the government they are all the same, they have been out of touch with the general public for years and they don't care. Power and corruption have gone to where heads they will be the first out the country when the system falls apart. But they are not to blame outright us the general public have gone soft and there are too few of us who will stand up and fight for your rights, the sad result is this country is finished and England will be dived up into nine region's. And if Scotland and Wales think great we are independent from England now, they will be turned into satellites of the European Union. :nope: