Pentagon airplane?

[Fish]

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok. :cool:
But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

[Perilscope]

If you ask me, this story is to put behind because this administration will soon be gone, a new story will begin with the new administration... and the clock goes around...;)

[bradclark1]

My first thought would be if it was a TLAM what did they do with the people that were supposed to be on that plane?

[The Avon Lady]

Sad that this is even needed:

Debunking 9/11 Myths (http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog/911mythsblog)

[TteFAboB]

That's useless Avon.

The people who want to believe in a conspiracy will behave like "Dory" from "Finding Nemo":

"A TLAM! Yes I've seen a TLAM!"

"No, no! It was a plane!"

"Plane? Yes plane! I've seen a plane! But they blew the pentagon with a truck! Hey you! Over here! Sir, can you tell me, have you seen the helicopter that crashed on the pentagon?"

[Fish]

My first thought would be if it was a TLAM what did they do with the people that were supposed to be on that plane?
Right.

[STEED]

Conspiracy theory's are all bunk as they rely on no proof what so ever.


I work with one of these nutters he believed that Hitler was saved by the grey aliens and big foot is a mutant U.S army experiment gone wrong to create the ultimate psycho killer and not forgetting all world leaders are lizards. I have to put up with this kind of trash at work. :nope: :mad:


Give Conspiracy theory's the :/\\chop

[Fish]

Sad that this is even needed:

Debunking 9/11 Myths (http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog/911mythsblog)

Thanks Avon.

[The Avon Lady]

The people who want to believe in a conspiracy will behave like "Dory" from "Finding Nemo"
They found Nemo (http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/311/theyfoundnemomedbh7.jpg).

[Ishmael]

The people who want to believe in a conspiracy will behave like "Dory" from "Finding Nemo"
They found Nemo (http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/311/theyfoundnemomedbh7.jpg).

Yeah, he was aboard the Nautilus in a cavern on The Mysterious Island.

[goldorak]

Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.
The first rule of the internet should be : do not discuss with conspiracy believers. :rotfl:
Nothing you will say, not even if you point out inconsistencies in their reasoning will make them change their mind.

I had issues with conspiracy believers on the following topics :

- kursk was sunk by an american depleted uranium torpedo. :rotfl:
- the americans never went to the moon :rotfl:
- aliens are the originators of the ancient civilizations (in central america, southeast asia etc...)
- 9/11 was created by the americans
-ufo's and aliens are kept in area 51


and i learned the best way to maintain sanity is simply to ignore such threads. :D

[Dowly]

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok. :cool:
But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

Not a conspiracy nut either, but the Pentagon still bothers me. I cant just believe that a boeing 757 can vaporize like that. Yes, there was some parts, like the piece of turbine (which is awfully small for a boeing 757 turbine part). There are no proof that it wasn´t the flight 77, nor there are almost nothing to prove it was flight 77. ;)

[Oberon]

What has TLAM Strike got to do with 9/11? Or is that classified? :o

[Camaero]

Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.
The first rule of the internet should be : do not discuss with conspiracy believers. :rotfl:
Nothing you will say, not even if you point out inconsistencies in their reasoning will make them change their mind.

I had issues with conspiracy believers on the following topics :

- kursk was sunk by an american depleted uranium torpedo. :rotfl:
- the americans never went to the moon :rotfl:
- aliens are the originators of the ancient civilizations (in central america, southeast asia etc...)
- 9/11 was created by the americans
-ufo's and aliens are kept in area 51


and i learned the best way to maintain sanity is simply to ignore such threads. :D

Those are all really foolish and silly...

Except of course the aliens in area 51! That one is true. I was there man... I was there. *twitches*

[Fish]

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok. :cool:
But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

Not a conspiracy nut either, but the Pentagon still bothers me. I cant just believe that a boeing 757 can vaporize like that. Yes, there was some parts, like the piece of turbine (which is awfully small for a boeing 757 turbine part). There are no proof that it wasn´t the flight 77, nor there are almost nothing to prove it was flight 77. ;)

Sure, but if you had to cover this one, shouldn't you make sure the debris needed is there for proof? :|\\

[Torplexed]

Okay, here are some questions for those that think that something other than a plane hit the Pentagon.

The official version states that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Others have put forth different theories, such as a cruise missile, truck bomb, or other aircraft. If any of these are true, where the heck did Flight 77 vanish to as others have asked?

The only answer that makes sense is that the plane was flown to a remote location, completely off radar (somehow) and all crew and passengers were killed. Either that or all of them, including the news agency (CNN?) staffer that was the first to be identified as a passenger on that flight, were ALL in on it. If anyone on the flight was not in on it, then why would they remain silent about what really happened?

If 'They' had really intended to liquidate all the passengers on the plane in the first place, why not just use the plane that was supposed to be used?

This is why I have such a hard time with these theories. If it was a government conspiracy to hit the Pentagon, why not just have 5 guys from the government do what (most of) the rest of the world believed happened in the first place. Adding military planes and weapons to the mix, then having to dispose of Flight AA77 so completely is where any talk of a conspiracy here falls apart for me.

It would seem to me that the most basic principle in ANY conspiracy would be to make the actual events fit the lie as closely as possible.

[Ishmael]

Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.
The first rule of the internet should be : do not discuss with conspiracy believers. :rotfl:
Nothing you will say, not even if you point out inconsistencies in their reasoning will make them change their mind.

I had issues with conspiracy believers on the following topics :

- kursk was sunk by an american depleted uranium torpedo. :rotfl:
- the americans never went to the moon :rotfl:
- aliens are the originators of the ancient civilizations (in central america, southeast asia etc...)
- 9/11 was created by the americans
-ufo's and aliens are kept in area 51


and i learned the best way to maintain sanity is simply to ignore such threads. :D

Some lines from an old Firesign Theatre album:

1. Dogs flew spaceships
2. The Aztecs invented the vacation
3. Our forefathers took drugs
4. Men and women are the same sex
5. Your brain is not the boss

Yes, that's right.

Everything You Know Is Wrong.

[sonar732]

That's useless Avon.

The people who want to believe in a conspiracy will behave like "Dory" from "Finding Nemo":

"A TLAM! Yes I've seen a TLAM!"

"No, no! It was a plane!"

"Plane? Yes plane! I've seen a plane! But they blew the pentagon with a truck! Hey you! Over here! Sir, can you tell me, have you seen the helicopter that crashed on the pentagon?"

I've seen this movie sooo many times with my kids that it almost makes me sick to agree with you on the point! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[John Pancoast]

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok. :cool:
But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

One simple fact beats all the conspiracy clowns theories down; Al Quada has claimed full responsibility for all the flights.

It really ain't rocket science :)

[goldorak]

One simple fact beats all the conspiracy clowns theories down; Al Quada has claimed full responsibility for all the flights.

It really ain't rocket science :)


Unless Al Quaeda is a us government shadow group.
How can one man escape the entire us military chasing him ? The answer : because he doesn't exist. :|\\
Al Quaeda is the united states maskirovka.
He's just a convienient cover up for the shadow government to strip little by little us citizens of their liberty and instaure a fascist dictatorship in the land of brave.
Now, hows that for a little consipracy theory ? :rotfl:

[John Pancoast]

One simple fact beats all the conspiracy clowns theories down; Al Quada has claimed full responsibility for all the flights.

It really ain't rocket science :)


Unless Al Quaeda is a us government shadow group.
How can one man escape the entire us military chasing him ? The answer : because he doesn't exist. :|\\
Al Quaeda is the united states maskirovka.
He's just a convienient cover up for the shadow government to strip little by little us citizens of their liberty and instaure a fascist dictatorship in the land of brave.
Now, hows that for a little consipracy theory ? :rotfl:

That's a good one, no doubt :)

[drEaPer]

just one question: why are the several camera video tapes (that should show the approaching plane) still not given out to the public for review?

[John Pancoast]

just one question: why are the several camera video tapes (that should show the approaching plane) still not given out to the public for review?

Assuming such tapes even exist, ask the Pentagon :) Most likely, no one here would know for sure, and would only be giving opinions.

[SkvyWvr]

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok. :cool:
But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

Not a conspiracy nut either, but the Pentagon still bothers me. I cant just believe that a boeing 757 can vaporize like that. Yes, there was some parts, like the piece of turbine (which is awfully small for a boeing 757 turbine part). There are no proof that it wasn´t the flight 77, nor there are almost nothing to prove it was flight 77. ;)

Good point. They fired a missle with small aircraft parts tied to it.:rotfl:

[The Avon Lady]

I can't believe there are still people out here thinking conspiracies.

Wise up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8), doubting Thomases! :nope:

[John Pancoast]

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok. :cool:
But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

Not a conspiracy nut either, but the Pentagon still bothers me. I cant just believe that a boeing 757 can vaporize like that. Yes, there was some parts, like the piece of turbine (which is awfully small for a boeing 757 turbine part). There are no proof that it wasn´t the flight 77, nor there are almost nothing to prove it was flight 77. ;)

Then all the funerals the families had were staged I guess :)

[Fish]

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok. :cool:
But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

One simple fact beats all the conspiracy clowns theories down; Al Quada has claimed full responsibility for all the flights.

It really ain't rocket science :)

The "clowns" claims it's a fake video. :know:

[Fish]

One simple fact beats all the conspiracy clowns theories down; Al Quada has claimed full responsibility for all the flights.

It really ain't rocket science :)


Unless Al Quaeda is a us government shadow group.
How can one man escape the entire us military chasing him ? The answer : because he doesn't exist. :|\\
Al Quaeda is the united states maskirovka.
He's just a convienient cover up for the shadow government to strip little by little us citizens of their liberty and instaure a fascist dictatorship in the land of brave.
Now, hows that for a little consipracy theory ? :rotfl:

That's a good one, no doubt :)

See my post about a police state.

[Fish]

I can't believe there are still people out here thinking conspiracies.

Wise up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8), doubting Thomases! :nope:

Google 9/11 :down:

One for you Avon. :)

http://whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

[Fish]

I can't believe there are still people out here thinking conspiracies.

Wise up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8), doubting Thomases! :nope:

Google 9/11 :down:

One for you Avon. :up:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

[The Avon Lady]

I can't believe there are still people out here thinking conspiracies.

Wise up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8), doubting Thomases! :nope:

Google 9/11 :down:

One for you Avon. :up:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
I don't respond to garbage links like Rense, WRH or StormFront. :nope:

[tycho102]

What I would like to see is a university study. Yeah, I know. Another damn university study. Anyway.

What they'd need to do is take soil samples, all over the area, at various depths. I'm talking about several thousand soil samples. And then bind out the aluminium (aluminum). Use a scanning electron microscope to image the aluminium particles. Are they strangely consistent? Do they have a remarkably similar alloy percentage?

If there just happens to be a plane load of aluminium around the pentagon, then that might lead to further conjecture concerning identifiable missile compounds. Maybe check the flight recorder and see if there's some guy saying "Allahu Akbar" nineteen times just before the end of the recording.

[The Avon Lady]

And let's not forget the eyewitnesses (http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm).

University study, pft................:roll:

[Takeda Shingen]

University study, pft................:roll:

Vernacular theory, pft................:roll:

[waste gate]

It always amazes me as to how some folks will believe in conspiracy and yet so easily dismiss God.

[drEaPer]

just one question: why are the several camera video tapes (that should show the approaching plane) still not given out to the public for review?

Assuming such tapes even exist, ask the Pentagon :) Most likely, no one here would know for sure, and would only be giving opinions.


According to the concerned witnesses tapes all over the place from different stores/hotels etc were taken by the FBI.
Just curious here.

[STEED]

It always amazes me as to how some folks will believe in conspiracy

So will you when the lizard men come for you. :rotfl: :p ;) :D

[Torplexed]

I'm not saying that 911 = the Holocaust. I'm saying that people who say the Holocaust didn't happen have a eeriely similar thinking to those saying that 911 didn't happen the way we all saw it happen.

For the Holocaust,

millions on people are missing,
thousands of photographs of the camps and survivors were taken by the military.
many camps were filmed.
thousands of allied soldiers reported it.
thousands of Germans reported it too.
thousands of survivors
Doctors examined the survivors.
the camps still exist.
Nazi records still exist.
History of increasing violence against Jews during Nazi regime.
Nazi leadership admits they did it.

In other words, lots of eyewitnesses, lots of evidence and lots of documentation, but yet many believe it never happened or some secret Jewish cabal was able to make up and plant everything. Of course there is no evidence to suggest that it never happened.

For 911 ,

hundreds, maybe thousands in the WTC saw the planes going into the buildings.
ten of thousands on the ground saw the crashes happen live.
millions more saw the crashes via recordings.
millions saw the towers fall live
planes tracked into NYC and DC environs.
lots of evidence (bodies, debris, etc)
Terrorists admitted to doing it.
WTC attacked once before, plus increasing attacks against US targets: (USS Cole, Kenyan and Tanzanian Embassies).
best technical people in the world can easily explain the WTC collapse.

Again we have lots of eyewitnesses, lots of evidence, lots of documentation and the best technical minds giving their opinion, but yet many believe that George Bush and cronies could in eight months could plan and execute a vast conspiracy scheme to destroy three skyscapers, larger than anything that has ever been done before and no one gets caught in the act of doing it or comes forward to admit their part. (Yet the same administration can't this magic act to work in Iraq.) Of course there is no evidence to suggest that Bush was behind it, just a few self proclaimed experts. Self proclaimed experts who for some reason never get 'disappeared' by this all-powerful prison planet conspiracy. :roll:

In other words, both events are witnessed by thousands, documented to the hilt, have admissions by those who did it, and have expert opinions, yet some secret cabal must be behind it.

[Marriott]

actually actually actually last time i checked Al-Queblahblah didnt claim responsibility. They praised the attacks and said some stuff about america but stopped just short of repsonisibility. (and no i am not a conspiracy person)

[The Avon Lady]

actually actually actually last time i checked Al-Queblahblah didnt claim responsibility. They praised the attacks and said some stuff about america but stopped just short of repsonisibility. (and no i am not a conspiracy person)
While you might not be a conspiracy person, someone is misinforming you:

"[W]e calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. ...We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day."
- Transcript of Osama bin Laden videotape (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/tape.transcript/), December 13, 2001

"........for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Atta ... that all operations should be carried out within twenty minutes, before Bush and his administration notice."
- Full transcript of bin Ladin's speech (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm), November 1, 2004

[Fish]

:hmm:

http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=43073

[The Avon Lady]

http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=43073
Keywords: confusion, incompetence, ineptitude, insufficient, inaccuracy, chaos, misreporting.

There's a big difference between the above words and "deception", which at the most Dobbs says is "possible". Like wow! :roll:

Has it not been made obvious by now that US security and intelligence was nothing but one big blunder after another, that allowed 9/11 to occur in the 1st place? And then we're supposed to be in a state of shock that nothing functioned properly under crisis afterward (and still much to this very day)?

So Kean and Hamilton are promoting a book? And CNN is becoming the National Enquirer of current events? And we're supposed to be suprised?

[joea]

:hmm:

http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=43073

I thought you said you were not a conspiracy theorist but arguing with one on another forum? If you believe this stuff just say so!!!

[Konovalov]

The tsunami sized wave of facts speak for themselves. The only conspiracy was the one created, planned, and implemented by Al Qaeda on that horrible day, end of story. It was a conspiracy to commit mass murder plain and simple. That's my 2 pence worth.

[Fish]

:hmm:

http://www.vsocial.com/video/?d=43073

I thought you said you were not a conspiracy theorist but arguing with one on another forum? If you believe this stuff just say so!!!

I don't, well not all. :) Always hear both sides.

[Marriott]

@ The Avon Lady I stand corrected:)

[MobyGrape]

"It always amazes me as to how some folks will believe in conspiracy and yet so easily dismiss God."

I say!
It always amazes me as to how some folks will believe in god, and yet so easily dismiss Conspiiracy..lol//send crisp $5 $10's and $20's to my faith healing, the jingling of change makes me nervous..
:|\\