View Full Version : SH4 Dev Team Interview and first trailer
Gizzmoe
08-23-06, 11:07 AM
Interview:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=97179 (http://www.subsim.com/ssr/sh4/sh4_interview1.php)
First SH4 trailer:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=97202
Cdre Gibs
08-23-06, 11:21 AM
Just read it. The only thing that makes SH4 worth getting is the multiplayer side of it. The rest is a bloody big let down, AGAIN!
Gizzmoe
08-23-06, 11:24 AM
The rest is a bloody big let down, AGAIN!
Why???
Onkel Neal
08-23-06, 11:28 AM
Just read it. The only thing that makes SH4 worth getting is the multiplayer side of it. The rest is a bloody big let down, AGAIN!
Maybe it's a letdown for you.... :lol:
kiwi_2005
08-23-06, 11:39 AM
Neal you forgot to ask if kiwi can be the beta tester!;)
Anyways sounds like SH1 all over again with better graphics, looking forward to seeing how the multiplayer turns out. This is going to be good.
Onkel Neal
08-23-06, 12:30 PM
I'm looking forward to SH4, too. So far, from what I've heard the game looks like a good evolutionary step forward.
When SH4 hits the shops, nuts to work fun comes first. :D :up:
my dad will love it too.:rock:
IrishUboot
08-23-06, 01:23 PM
I look forward to seeing some real screenies and not just the artistic renderings. Still, very promising.
My posts going missing lately. Someone is intent on making me an A-ganger for life. :huh:
The graphics look good - although prerendered - but I`m gonna miss the german subs. :cry:
I have some mixed feeling about this! :shifty:
In the Q&A it seemed to me that once again made some choices between the simmy and gamey approach!
I don't just want SH3 with better graphic in an pacific scenario. I want all the tiny details and stuff that we like! I mean something like an Falcon 4.0 among subsims!
I wanna walk the sub and see more crews!! In the A&Q the stated that a skipper spends most of the time on the bridge! Well..no he doesn't the sub is a home among other things! And I want to be able to write my own KGB.
I want tools, good tools for our modding gurus! So taht we can add our own stuff!
And why does UBI always push those early relase dates! Why don't they give the devs time to deliver a Sim that will melt our brains and bleed our eyes!
They almost had it with SH3
But i hope the best! And I'm also gonna miss the german Subs stabiz mate!
EmeAzul
08-23-06, 03:37 PM
I was surprised to read that the Balao Class and S-Class may not be in the game. This has got to be an oversight. As you can see below, there were a total of 244 different boats that participated in the Pacific War and the Balao's were the biggest class grouping.
S-Class 22
P-Class 10
Salmon Class 9
Sargo Class 7
Tambor Class 12
Gato Class 72
Balao Class 102
Tench Class 10
Total Sub 244
Note: This excludes 6 very unique one-off subs that saw considerable action in the Pacific (Argonaut, Narwhal, Nautilus, Dolphin, Cachalot and Cuttlefish)
I bet they just forgot to mention the Balao, since it would be such a major mistake to leave it out of the game. I think leaving out the much admired S-Class "Sugar boats" would be for some people the equivalent of leaving out the TypeII's from SH3. Emeazul
Onkel Neal
08-23-06, 04:28 PM
Good point. I'm not sure if by Gato, the mean Gato/Balao... Since the only major difference was the hull thickness and diving depth, I assumed they will have both. I'll have to ask in the next interview :)
The graphics look good - although prerendered - but I`m gonna miss the german subs. :cry:
Why..simply keep both installed..problem solved.
Sailor Steve
08-23-06, 05:02 PM
The graphics look good - although prerendered - but I`m gonna miss the german subs. :cry:
Why..simply keep both installed..problem solved.
Exactly. I await SHIV with baited breath, but I'll keep playing SHIII as well (until and even better WWII subsim comes along).
The graphics look good - although prerendered - but I`m gonna miss the german subs. :cry:
Why..simply keep both installed..problem solved.
I am not saying SH4 will make me stop playing SH3, I am saying the german subs are alot more appealing than the US ones.
HunterICX
08-23-06, 05:41 PM
:roll: Mmmm....if its posible...
in ShIV that we go to the atlantic and see what they have there :lol:
Redwine
08-23-06, 06:06 PM
Good point. I'm not sure if by Gato, the mean Gato/Balao... Since the only major difference was the hull thickness and diving depth, I assumed they will have both. I'll have to ask in the next interview :)
Hi Neal... :up:
Good interview. Many thanks for the news. :up:
If you have the oportunity of a new one, can you ask about two things ?
1]
What about Thermal Layers and BathyThermograph Modelation ?
Reading the Dev. Team response to Henk Wissink, Nederlands ... they did not made any mention to Thermal Layers as a factor affecting active or pasive sonars.
That means this feature is not modelled ?
2]
What about the Whiz Wheel wich was attached to the back of real WW2 american periscopes ? Will it be modelled ?
Thanks a lot in advance.... Red.:up:
Well if they do cock things up ( UBI ) we ( the modding community ) should be able to fix a few things like in SHIII, i just hope they release a polished FULL release of the game instead of what they did with SHIII..
HunterICX
08-23-06, 06:33 PM
Well if they do cock things up ( UBI ) we ( the modding community ) should be able to fix a few things like in SHIII, i just hope they release a polished FULL release of the game instead of what they did with SHIII..
Well...lets see what we get from Ubi. after that the Mod-makers will give the finishing touches on the game :up:
Cdre Gibs
08-23-06, 08:25 PM
Why, WHY ! Its as bloody obvious as the nose on your face. All SH4 will be is a tarted up version of SH3, and we all know how SH3 turned out. Instead of just drooling over the looks, read between the lines. Most of what we (the community) wanted to be included in SH3 still wont be in SH4. And on top of all that I still dont see us getting any bloody decent tools to mod the damn thing, so its back to square 1.
I dont consider it a new game but SH3 patched and updated and shoved in the pacific, and thats all.
No AI sub's - again, no true interiors, no choice of side to play (single play), no ability use all Allied/Axis surface uints in multiplay (moding community MAYBE able to do something about this, if we are lucky, but i dont have high hopes - see subs bit), limited to what units we can use (subs - since no1 yet has been able to add a new PCO in SH3, see no reason SH4 will be any different, ohh we have the odd new sub yes, BUT it has to replace another sub, not add), limited AO, 10 - 1 it still going to be limited users online (8 players only). Hell we dont even get to play the whole damn time frame of WWII, just the yank part, for what its worth. Why cant we get Commonwealth subs out of Australia early and then Tx to a US base and sub, if ppl so desired, I see no valid reason why not.
So what do we get for $100.00AU, some pretty new models with higher poly count's ( read ppl need new Vid card at best, new PC at worst), with tarted up skins, mission types that SHOULD have been in SH3 but they were to damn greedy to include, so now they will to induce you to buy, and a bunch of useless radio crap that gets turned off because its annoying, whoppeee......NOT!
I agree...with people posting problems having GW with low Fps..atleast with GW you can use the stock sea floor and such..with SH4 you wont have that luxury :down:..so new graph cards and or new pc's/ memory WILL be needed for those said people to be able to play SH4
Onkel Neal
08-23-06, 09:41 PM
Most of what we (the community) wanted to be included in SH3 still wont be in SH4.
Well, Gibbs, some of "we (the community)" were quite happy with SH3 and appreciate the big step forward it was from SH2, Aces, and SS2.
I imagine you won't be playing SH4 :)
Neal
Cdre Gibs
08-23-06, 10:06 PM
The only thing I am sort of looking forward to is the Multiplay. I just hope its not as pathetic as SH3 was in that regard. And since I never played the earlier versions of SH be it SH1, SH2, Aces, and SS2 or whatever but only SH3, I dont see anything remarkable to SH4.
Plus another thing, did you even think to ask about the planes, so they actualy fly an fight an act like real planes instead of muppets on LSD. Or the ability for AI to use Torpedo's (at least on CA's, CL's, DD's and Torpedo Boats/Gun Boats let alone on Torpedo Bombers). Or maybe all weapons to be able to shoot their real ranges, sensors that work like they should, be they for subs or surface units, hell will they even get the bloody type and placements correct. Will all mast on subs actual WORK instead of just being eye candy. All these things are just the tip of the iceburg.
So yeah in retrospect, no I dont see any great improvement to SH4 over SH3, I wonder why!
Onkel Neal
08-23-06, 10:12 PM
And since I never played the earlier versions of SH be it SH1, SH2, Aces, and SS2 or whatever but only SH3, I dont see anything remarkable to SH4.
So yeah in retrospect, no I dont see any great improvement to SH4 over SH3, I wonder why!
Ok, I understand now. Mate, you really should get a copy of Gato or SS2 and see how far things have come. :yep:
Subsims have probably come along way since those two - I haven`t played them - but thats not the point here. Have subsims come along way since SH3?
I am not blown away from what the dev team presents, but I`m not as pessimistic as Gibbs either.
I've got admit I was rather underwhelmed by what I read. I doubt I'll be shelling out in the early days and will probably wait until I can pick it up in the bargain bin.
I'm not saying that there is nothing positive, but it looks like a lazy attempt at cashing in on something that is already selling well for them.:nope:
From what I can see now ,SHIV looks more like ,say,a SH3 1.8 or something like that,or perhaps an addon.It is however very early in developement,and many many things can change untill the game is finally out.This can happen to all games.You can end up with almost another game than the first press release/screens you get.
Many improvements have been made over SH3 ,but too little to have the same impact it did on release.
I however look forward to playing it and hope the devs will now have enough time to make the game what we all want it to be!
Bilge_Rat
08-24-06, 10:20 AM
I have been looking forward to going back to the Pacific, but I have a few comments:
"SH4 Dev Team: The best thing about a simulation title is that the amount of sales tends to remain constant each month. SHIII sells well even one year after its release. We estimate Silent Hunter 3 sold over 300,000 copies worldwide."
300,000? I had not realized SH III was so successful. Hopefully, we will see more naval sims.
"Subsim: Which class of US subs are planned to be included?
SH4 Dev Team: The main types of subs we’re putting in are P-class, Salmon, Tambor and Gato. Obviously, the variations of these classes will be represented in detail, as with SH3.
no S-boats? no Balao class?
HunterICX
08-24-06, 11:16 AM
:nope: comon guys its too early to point on the negative sides of the game
and Gibs, if Sh3 is tarded in ur eyes...why do you play it then?
We have to be patience and as soon some SHIV beta or Demo comes out try it.. so you can taste in place of reading stuff and debate about something that isnt reliable yet.
always know Do Not expect all the desires to be put into an game by Developers...if you want SHIV has all the features that we asked we can wait till 2010 before it comes out.
So I'll wait for some piece of software first before I decide to buy the full version or not.
SteamWake
08-24-06, 02:30 PM
:nope: comon guys its too early to point on the negative sides of the game.
Boy Ill say
Lets see uhh Dynamic Campaigns, New theater, Upgraded Graphics, better radio traffic, allegedly better AI (shrug) sounds like an improvement to me.
Personally I cant wait to try it.
Oh and kudos to the interviewer for slipping the word "paucity" in :up:
I'm not saying that it's not an improvement what I'm saying is that there doesn't sound like enough improvement for me to race out a buy it when it is at it's peak price just because it is "New and Improved".
As always when I puchase a new game I have a look for a few weeks at what people are saying about it and what problems they are having before laying out cold hard cash for it.
kiwi_2005
08-24-06, 05:07 PM
Well i'll be buying it no matter what, even if the game only let you command one type of sub i would still buy it. The important thing for me is its not going to be scripted campaign so therefore its a winner in my books. How many subsims come out compared to other games - buggar all. its like one every 5 yrs or so. And no doubt the modders will solve what ever faults we find with it.
Plus like in SH1, i wanna command a Gato class again!
Takeda Shingen
08-24-06, 05:07 PM
As always when I puchase a new game I have a look for a few weeks at what people are saying about it and what problems they are having before laying out cold hard cash for it.
I do the same, and will do for SHIV. However, my reason is different: This gives time for the development and release of the patches that will render the inevitable game-ruining bugs harmless. In fact, I did not purchase SHIII for nearly four months after it's release, allowing for patch 1.4b. I did not regret my decision, nor do I have plans to alter it, for as good as SHIII was, not enough time has elapsed to rid me of the memories of the horrendous Silent Hunter II/Destroyer Command debacle. Live and learn.
Sailor Steve
08-24-06, 05:26 PM
I bought SHIII before I had a computer that could run it. I, too, do not regret my decision. If I had waited until I was totally satisfied with the way it was modded I'd still be waiting today.
I intend to pre-order it as soon as it's available at the SubSim website.
Patboot
08-24-06, 05:46 PM
The graphics look good - although prerendered - but I`m gonna miss the german subs. :cry:
Why..simply keep both installed..problem solved.
Or see if it's possible to import it?
By the way, isn`t that a Type VII in the trailer?!
Cdre Gibs
08-24-06, 08:03 PM
And no doubt the modders will solve what ever faults we find with it.
See thats whats wrong with PC games right there. We should not NEED to fix any damn thing, nor add, nor even tinker with it. To need to do so only tells me its broken in the first place. Not the haul mark of a great game.
As to why I play SH3, because I'm a boating NUTTER, freely admited. But that doesnt mean I should have to bloody mod the damn thing just to fix bits that SHOULD have been done right from the begining. So here I am now stuck behind my PC fixing bits that are buggered instead of playing it. Why should I be doing the job of the dev's when I have paid for what should have been a finished product! But since its NOT anywhere near correct or finished and I luv my sea based games and I do so want to play a COMPLETE SH3 game I guess I'm gonna have to fix it now aint I! Just 1's I'd luv to get a game that I can put on my PC and play it and not have to be thinking "What the hell were they smoking, none of this is right" and it gets so bad that in the end I have to start tinkering just to get a bloody decent game. So yeah, if SH3 was so great there wouldnt be so many mods and fix's around that in the end its no longer the same game and NOW it becomes a great game.
And no doubt the modders will solve what ever faults we find with it.
If they release a SDK or a MDT then i would'nt mind " fixing " faults ;)
Sea Demon
08-24-06, 09:49 PM
So here I am now stuck behind my PC fixing bits that are buggered instead of playing it. Why should I be doing the job of the dev's when I have paid for what should have been a finished product! But since its NOT anywhere near correct or finished and I luv my sea based games and I do so want to play a COMPLETE SH3 game I guess I'm gonna have to fix it now aint I!
Maybe I'm missing something here. But what needed so much fixing in SH3? I bought it and use no mods. Only patch upgrades. And I'm quite happy with it. SH3 has given me a great insight and gaming experience from the perspective of a German U-boat Captain. That's what I wanted, and that's what I got. And I have thoroughly enjoyed it. So I'm stumped to as how SH3 was not complete. I thought it was well done.:-?
Oh yeah, and SH4 definitely shows alot of improvements over SH3. And it will provide a complete new experience. Can't wait to drop the money for it and start sinking those Japanese warships. :rock:
I agree with SeaDeamon.SH3 ,athough not complete,with the 1.4b patch,was and is still played by some and can be a very good game to play.The mods -you(the great modders of the forum,who I thank very much for their work!) don't "have" to make them ,but you still do ,because they make the game better or perhaps "more complete" than the devs made it but all this is made ,you could say,in a pursuit of perfection.And such a thing (the PERFECT game/mod) is not and will probably never be possible.You could compare mods with evolution,and evolution will always happen ,no matter how good or complete the game is..
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