9/11 Conspiracy

[SUBMAN1]

Hahahaha!

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

-S

[Sailor Steve]

But no...you don't understand...there HAS to be a conspiracy...Lee Harvey Oswald is alive! No, wait, I mean...Alien autopsies did it! No, wait, I mean...maybe Oliver Stone was involved...no, wait, he planned the Pearl Harbor attack. Yeah, that's the ticket: Kevin Costner made Mel Gibson say those things! No, wait...Jim Caviezel really does speak Hebrew...no, wait, I meant Greek. Yeah, Greeks...Aristotle Onasis paid for it all...no, wait...

[Fish]

But no...you don't understand...there HAS to be a conspiracy...Lee Harvey Oswald is alive! No, wait, I mean...Alien autopsies did it! No, wait, I mean...maybe Oliver Stone was involved...no, wait, he planned the Pearl Harbor attack. Yeah, that's the ticket: Kevin Costner made Mel Gibson say those things! No, wait...Jim Caviezel really does speak Hebrew...no, wait, I meant Greek. Yeah, Greeks...Aristotle Onasis paid for it all...no, wait...

You forgot Elvis. :rotfl:

[waste gate]

Elvis is alive and well!! Living in Kalamazoo, Michigan he is.

[Godalmighty83]

iam not into conspiracy theories (elvis is dead) but some things about 9/11 dont match in my mind.

when i watched it live on TV the at the point when the towers went down i thought 'they look a bit controlled' really strange that such damage could cause identical structural failures that make the towers fall perfectly.

and many other little things, something just doesnt sit right for me.

as much as the theories sound stupid (and many are) theres a fair bit of evidence which cast doubt, this isnt helped by the government' withholding evidence' as the theorists put it.

and seriously what was with that 'video' of the plane hitting the pentagon? even in freezeframe the best that can be made out is something possibly white somewhere.

[Torplexed]

I've heard the claims that what hit the Pentagon was a cruise missile...or couldn't have been a plane

So that raises the question: Where are the passengers of that plane? Did they ever exist?

Did the passengers on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania ever exist? Seem to remember people making last calls to loved ones on cell phones.

Think I'll stick with Occam's Razor on the subject of 911.

[scandium]

The documentary "Loose Change" raises some interesting questions.

[mog]

The documentary "Loose Change" raises some interesting questions.

I would say it raises one question: how could people be so gullible as to believe any of the claims made in that faux-documentary in the face of overwhelming physical evidence and expert testimony.

[scandium]

The documentary "Loose Change" raises some interesting questions.
I would say it raises one question: how could people be so gullible as to believe any of the claims made in that faux-documentary in the face of overwhelming physical evidence and expert testimony.

Such as the expert testimony given in the documentary? I think it raises more questions than it answers, but that was probably the point of it.

[SUBMAN1]

The documentary "Loose Change" raises some interesting questions.
I would say it raises one question: how could people be so gullible as to believe any of the claims made in that faux-documentary in the face of overwhelming physical evidence and expert testimony.

Such as the expert testimony given in the documentary? I think it raises more questions than it answers, but that was probably the point of it.

But you beleive any anti american retoric, so all people that say anti US are experts in you opinion, but this is not what the rest of the world beleives. He means 'real' experts, in that they are qualified to make such statements. :p

-S

[scandium]

The documentary "Loose Change" raises some interesting questions.
I would say it raises one question: how could people be so gullible as to believe any of the claims made in that faux-documentary in the face of overwhelming physical evidence and expert testimony.
Such as the expert testimony given in the documentary? I think it raises more questions than it answers, but that was probably the point of it.
But you beleive any anti american retoric, so all people that say anti US are experts in you opinion, but this is not what the rest of the world beleives. He means 'real' experts, in that they are qualified to make such statements. :p

-S

Huh? Could you be just a little more incoherent...

And what is it with some people and the need to immediately start in on the "anti-American" BS when there's nothing in this thread even remotely critical of the U.S.?

Get a grip man. :lol:

[joea]

Scandium, saw that vid and another one...I suggest you visit this site:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/ There is an excellent video that debunks it here http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/ but seems to be down ATM, but plenty other stuff to check out. Honestly, questions about 9/11 a plenty, but serious dissenters/skeptics seem to be vastly outnumbered by the crackpots and outright frauds.

[scandium]

Scandium, saw that vid and another one...I suggest you visit this site:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/ There is an excellent video that debunks it here http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/ but seems to be down ATM, but plenty other stuff to check out. Honestly, questions about 9/11 a plenty, but serious dissenters/skeptics seem to be vastly outnumbered by the crackpots and outright frauds.

Interesting site, thanks for the link. Re: Loose Change, I'd only seen it a few nights ago but I suppose if nothing else it was free entertainment for a couple hours :)

My main questions about 9/11 are mainly centered around the Pentagon, Flight 93, and why Bush for so long sought to impede/derail any kind of independent investigation into 9/11. I don't have any theories of my own, nor do I subscribe to any at the moment, I only feel that with the amount of times its been repeated to justify, among other things, two wars - one of which we're fighting as well - that its a subject that deserves the maximum possible scrutiny.

Especially in this Orwellian age we live in where an open mind and skepticism are too often derided, supressed, and dismissed by those who consider uncritical, black & white (and often black is white), unconditional acceptance of anything said by the government as a virtue and are so fervent in it that its become almost a religion for these people.

[joea]

Absolutely, I just am perplexed at what the conspiracy theorists (who are almost as bad as those who uncritically accept what the government says) think happened to Flight 93 and its passengers (and I have found lists of names including biographies) if not the official story. Anyway, this is a subject that contends for the most flamewars and thread locks in cyberspace. :lol:

[Enigma]

The ironic part is that I'm a huge conspiracy nut, and even I can't stomach this BS. For example, I believe that there is a small, reptile-like creature called Chupacabra that sucks the blood of goats in Mexico. Area 51? Hell yes. Roswell? Pass me the Kool-Aid. But "Loose Change" elevates BS to an artform. Watching this video is like being bukakked with stupid.

My feelings EXACTLY! :up::lol:

[SUBMAN1]

The documentary "Loose Change" raises some interesting questions.
I would say it raises one question: how could people be so gullible as to believe any of the claims made in that faux-documentary in the face of overwhelming physical evidence and expert testimony.
Such as the expert testimony given in the documentary? I think it raises more questions than it answers, but that was probably the point of it.
But you beleive any anti american retoric, so all people that say anti US are experts in you opinion, but this is not what the rest of the world beleives. He means 'real' experts, in that they are qualified to make such statements. :p

-S

Huh? Could you be just a little more incoherent...

And what is it with some people and the need to immediately start in on the "anti-American" BS when there's nothing in this thread even remotely critical of the U.S.?

Get a grip man. :lol:

Incoherent? Seems to me that I am right on target! :p

[Yahoshua]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060806/ap_on_re_us/sept_11_conspiracies

[KevinB]

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo

[STEED]

Top man in UK for conspiracy it's out of this world. :roll:

http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/

Become a fruit cake and and clean up selling books.

[KevinB]

Top man in UK for conspiracy it's out of this world. :roll:

http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/


Yes I know of it but I'm not sure about the royal family being shapeshifting reptiles! Although Blair and Bush....???

Another good site is www.rense.com

[Dowly]

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2839operation_northwds.html :hmm:

[Fish]

The documentary "Loose Change" raises some interesting questions.
I would say it raises one question: how could people be so gullible as to believe any of the claims made in that faux-documentary in the face of overwhelming physical evidence and expert testimony.

Such as the expert testimony given in the documentary? I think it raises more questions than it answers, but that was probably the point of it.

Do you believe this man Scandium, he is a country man of yours?

http://www.911myths.com/Sulfur.pdf

[Sharkstooth]

The problem with conspiracy theorys is that you cannot prove them wrong, only right.

It amazes me that with all the leaks this country has, people still think we could keep something of this magnitute a secret.

[McBeck]

I've heard the claims that what hit the Pentagon was a cruise missile...or couldn't have been a plane

So that raises the question: Where are the passengers of that plane? Did they ever exist?

Did the passengers on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania ever exist? Seem to remember people making last calls to loved ones on cell phones.

Think I'll stick with Occam's Razor on the subject of 911.
There has been released a video from the security camera at the pentagon showing the airliner crashing into the pentagon

[scandium]

The documentary "Loose Change" raises some interesting questions.
I would say it raises one question: how could people be so gullible as to believe any of the claims made in that faux-documentary in the face of overwhelming physical evidence and expert testimony.
Such as the expert testimony given in the documentary? I think it raises more questions than it answers, but that was probably the point of it.
Do you believe this man Scandium, he is a country man of yours?

http://www.911myths.com/Sulfur.pdf

Never heard of him, and not being a chemist I don't know what to make of his analysis.

[Dowly]

I've heard the claims that what hit the Pentagon was a cruise missile...or couldn't have been a plane

So that raises the question: Where are the passengers of that plane? Did they ever exist?

Did the passengers on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania ever exist? Seem to remember people making last calls to loved ones on cell phones.

Think I'll stick with Occam's Razor on the subject of 911. There has been released a video from the security camera at the pentagon showing the airliner crashing into the pentagon

Show me a vid that CLEARLY shows the plane/missile. The one I´ve seen doesnt show much, only a glimpse of a white shiny object hitting Pentagon.

[joea]

I've heard the claims that what hit the Pentagon was a cruise missile...or couldn't have been a plane

So that raises the question: Where are the passengers of that plane? Did they ever exist?

Did the passengers on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania ever exist? Seem to remember people making last calls to loved ones on cell phones.

Think I'll stick with Occam's Razor on the subject of 911. There has been released a video from the security camera at the pentagon showing the airliner crashing into the pentagon

Show me a vid that CLEARLY shows the plane/missile. The one I´ve seen doesnt show much, only a glimpse of a white shiny object hitting Pentagon.

So what? The camera was low res ... does the fact there is so little footgage mean flight 77 did not exist? Let me ask you, what happened to it if it did not hit the Pentagon? I asked you before but mixed it up with Flight 93 (the Pennsylvania flight).

[Dowly]

I've heard the claims that what hit the Pentagon was a cruise missile...or couldn't have been a plane

So that raises the question: Where are the passengers of that plane? Did they ever exist?

Did the passengers on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania ever exist? Seem to remember people making last calls to loved ones on cell phones.

Think I'll stick with Occam's Razor on the subject of 911. There has been released a video from the security camera at the pentagon showing the airliner crashing into the pentagon
Show me a vid that CLEARLY shows the plane/missile. The one I´ve seen doesnt show much, only a glimpse of a white shiny object hitting Pentagon.
So what? The camera was low res ... does the fact there is so little footgage mean flight 77 did not exist? Let me ask you, what happened to it if it did not hit the Pentagon? I asked you before but mixed it up with Flight 93 (the Pennsylvania flight).

Calm down, m8! I just corrected you abit, you said that the vid shows the airliner hit the pentagon, yet, as you said, it´s in too bad quality to really identify the object as an airliner. I´m not saying that it was a missile or other object than the plane, just you cant see the plane clearly from that vid.

[moose1am]

The strange thing about the plane that hit the Pentagon is that it circled the pentagon before flying into it and then it hit the one are of the pentagon that has been reinforced and was almost empty? That to me was strange. Why would they not it a more important part of the Pentagon? Like Rummy's office. In fact the Plane hit the part of the pentagon that did the least amount of damage. Just imagine what the death toll would have been in all those offices were not undergoing renovation and had been full of people?



I've heard the claims that what hit the Pentagon was a cruise missile...or couldn't have been a plane

So that raises the question: Where are the passengers of that plane? Did they ever exist?

Did the passengers on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania ever exist? Seem to remember people making last calls to loved ones on cell phones.

Think I'll stick with Occam's Razor on the subject of 911.

[joea]

Calm down, m8! I just corrected you abit, you said that the vid shows the airliner hit the pentagon, yet, as you said, it´s in too bad quality to really identify the object as an airliner. I´m not saying that it was a missile or other object than the plane, just you cant see the plane clearly from that vid.
Yes sorry about that I am calm just fed up of this debate on 9/11...we do know 4 planes vanished, something blew up part of the Pentgon and the Twin Towers are gone. :-? This led to a bad period in world history I hope my future kids and my neice will look back on and shake their heads "thank God we got through that ." Cheers.

[August]

The strange thing about the plane that hit the Pentagon is that it circled the pentagon before flying into it and then it hit the one are of the pentagon that has been reinforced and was almost empty? That to me was strange. Why would they not it a more important part of the Pentagon? Like Rummy's office. In fact the Plane hit the part of the pentagon that did the least amount of damage. Just imagine what the death toll would have been in all those offices were not undergoing renovation and had been full of people?

Well for one thing just how many people could point out which part of the Pentagon Rumsfelds office is in, or which part had been renovated most recently?

Also, a passenger jet isn't the most maneuverable aircraft flying. To a pilot with little training and no experience at all in that particular type of aircraft (outside of flight sims that is) i'd say the odds of even hitting their target at all were rather long.

From the reconstruction it looked to me like they barely made it.

[Dowly]

Okay, I´m not a conspiracy nut on 9/11 anymore, but one thing still amazes me. The surveillance vids from the nearby buildings around the Pentagon would surely show the impact. Why they are not released? To not to upset the relatives of the ones who died? Then why they released the phone calls from flight 93, the radio communications between the firefighters and the call from a world trade center just as it started to collapse? :doh:

[NEON DEON]

Okay, I´m not a conspiracy nut on 9/11 anymore, but one thing still amazes me. The surveillance vids from the nearby buildings around the Pentagon would surely show the impact. Why they are not released? To not to upset the relatives of the ones who died? Then why they released the phone calls from flight 93, the radio communications between the firefighters and the call from a world trade center just as it started to collapse? :doh:

Maybe becuase there are no nearby buildings. It is big and easy to spot from the air. Hell. I couldnt miss that target.:lol:

http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/853686~9988ce12c57afebe1d78f5506a326cfb/pentagon.jpg

[Fish]

DOOLEY: Real-world hijack.:o
WATSON: Cool!:up:

http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01