Crazy Muslim shoots 6 Jews in Seattle

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Medics rush an injured woman from the scene of a shooting in downtown Seattle, Friday, July 28, 2006. At least five people were shot, one of them fatally, Friday afternoon at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, and one person was arrested, authorities said. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
07-29-2006 4:21 AM
By TIM BOOTH, Associated Press Writer

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SEATTLE -- Patti Simon was working in the Jewish Federation's office when she heard screaming, gunshots and what sounded like furniture crashing on the floor above her. She tried calling her co-workers upstairs, but no one answered, so she called police and fled. "People got shot, some of our co-workers," she said, her voice shaking.

Authorities said a man walked into the Jewish agency on Friday and opened fire, killing one woman and injuring at least five others in what they call a hate crime. Naveed Afzal Haq, 30, was booked into the King County Jail for investigation of homicide and attempted homicide, police said.

The gunman, who employees said claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel, forced his way through the center's security door after an employee had punched in her security code, said Marla Meislin-Dietrich, a co-worker who was not at the building at the time.

Staff members said they overheard him saying "'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,' before opening fire on everyone," Meislin-Dietrich said. "He was randomly shooting at everyone."

Police would not confirm the account. When asked if the suspect was Muslim, Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske said at a news conference, "you could infer that that was his background."

As employees fled the center, a SWAT team raced to the scene and blocked off several downtown blocks. The gunman surrendered moments later after speaking with a 911 dispatcher. That conversation led police to believe the shooting was a hate crime, authorities said.

"This was a purposeful, hateful act, as far as we know by an individual acting on his own," Mayor Greg Nickels said at the news conference.

Authorities said officers were moving to protect both synagogues and mosques around the city but there was no evidence of a broad threat. Police were protecting mosques "because there's always the concern of retaliatory crime," Kerlikowske said.

Authorities have been advising synagogues and Jewish groups to be watchful in the weeks since hostilities erupted between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon. They said the warning was not in response to any specific threats.

The federation's Web site describes its mission as "to ensure Jewish survival and enhance the quality of Jewish life by meeting needs locally, in Israel and worldwide." It was among sponsors of a Solidarity With Israel rally last weekend.

One of the victims died at the scene and five others were hospitalized at Harborview Medical Center, Kerlikowske said. Three of the five were critically injured. The names of the victims were not immediately released.

Haq previously lived in Pasco in southeast Washington, police said in a statement late Friday. The Seattle Times reported that Haq had lived most recently in Everett, north of Seattle, but police would not confirm that. The FBI's Seattle office said Haq was a U.S. citizen.

Haq's lawyer, Larry Stephenson, told The Times that he thought Haq was single and unemployed. Stephenson said Haq had a misdemeanor lewd conduct charge pending in Benton County, near Pasco. He had been accused of exposing himself in a public place, he told The Times.

Haq's parents were shaken by his arrest in the shootings, the lawyer said.

"I talked to his father, and his mother is crying, and they don't know what is going on," Stephenson said. "They are very, very shook up."

[waste gate]

I saw this over the weekend and wondered if it was going to be treated as a crime or an act of war (terrorism).

Only time will tell I guess. I know how I feel about it.

[SUBMAN1]

I live not far from Seattle on the Eastside too. Here is another one to add along with it. Just read that these guys were training children how to shoot Americans at the Renton gun club too. Nice.

http://www.komotv.com/news/story.asp?ID=34036

SEATTLE - Terrorism task force agents arrested 13 Seattle-area residents Thursday on bank fraud, immigration fraud and weapons charges.

Some were involved in a conspiracy to illegally bring Gambians into the country while others were defrauding banks of thousands of dollars, court papers said. At least two men are accused of weapons violations.


"This is one investigation that grew into three," said Emily Langlie, spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office.


A federal court clerk confirmed that the men were scheduled to make appearances Thursday afternoon on charges ranging from conspiracy to commit immigration fraud and bank fraud to weapons charges.


A search warrant obtained by KOMO 4 News said agents searched the Crescent Cuts barber shop in South Seattle looking for training documents on urban warfare. That search warrant was filed in King County Superior Court; King County prosecutor's spokesman Dan Donohoe said the results were to be filed later in the day. City police referred questions on the matter to the FBI.


Scheduled to appear Thursday in U.S. District Court on charges of conspiring to assist immigrants from the West African nation of Gambia were Souleymane Camara, Muhamed Njolo Tunkara, Bubacarr Tunkara, Muhammad Fofana and Mohamed Jawara.


Those to appear on a charge of conspiracy to commit bank fraud in association with the case were Karim Abdullah Assalaam, Attawwaab Muhammad Fard and Ali Muhammad Brown. A fourth man, Herbert Chandler Sanford, was not yet in custody, the clerk said.


In addition, at least two men were being charged as felons in possession of a firearm: Ahmad As-Sidiq and Zaid Mumin.


The multijurisdictional terrorism task force is comprised of representatives from state, federal, county and city law-enforcement agencies, said FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs.


In the bank fraud case, Assalaam is alleged to have led a scheme to deposit more than $10,000 worth of bad checks into various accounts over the past several years.


The charging papers said federal agents had been aware of the scheme since 2002, when a confidential informant alerted them. The informant at times wore a wire to tape conversations with Assalaam. In one such conversation, Assalaam said he was raising funds not only for personal gain, but because, "You can't go to war broke." He said his "whole Muslim crew," was involved in the scheme.


The FBI investigation of the case involved setting up fake accounts and businesses to trick Assalaam into believing that his scheme was successful, the charging documents said.


The immigration scheme involved providing Gambians with fraudulent passports and other immigration documents, indicating they were from Sierra Leone. Prosecutors said it is easier to gain asylum in the United States as a resident of Sierra Leone, because the country has been racked by war.


The five people charged in the immigration scheme each face eight counts of conspiracy and immigration fraud, plus one count of unlicensed money transmitting.
In a related case, King County prosecutors have filed assault and extortion charges against three men accused of bullying a man and his sister into letting them use the family's Janaale Restaurant for meetings.


Aziz H. Abdullah, Ruben L. Shumpert and Michael William Greene Jr. were charged in early October with first-degree extortion and two counts of third-degree assault, accused of roughing up Bashir Hussein and his sister, Lul Omar, with "a metal object like a meat tenderizer."


The men were arrested after Hussein called police Oct. 4 to say they'd attacked him and his sister. Hussein had told police two weeks earlier that the men had threatened to kill him if he did not allow them to use his restaurant "as a meeting place for their illegal activity," court papers said.


Shumpert operated the Crescent Cuts barber shop - where the search warrant was executed - upstairs in the same building, the documents said.

[Skybird]

It is no Muhammedan who has done it, but a mentally ill "man", as several medias over here already have pointed out. He suffers, and thus deserves out sympathy and help. Muhammedans do not do such things. Subman, you subversive anarchist, trying to violate political correctness again, eh? Bad boy! :nope:

[waste gate]

He suffers, and thus deserves out sympathy and help.

Sorry but that doesnot make him exept from prosecution, nor a terrorist.

[Rockstar]

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/06.07.30.UsualSuspects-X.gif

From CNN: Suspect ticketed before Jewish center shootings.

Three of the shooting survivors were in serious condition, according to Harborview Medical Center; the other two victims were in satisfactory condition, including a woman who is five months pregnant. Police said she was shot in the arm while covering her abdomen. ...
According to [Police Chief Gil] Kerlikowske, Haq was upset over three world events: U.S. involvement in Iraq; the U.S. backing of Israel; and what Haq said was the mistreatment of the Pakistani people.

Haq found the Jewish center by researching "something Jewish" on the Internet, Kerlikowske said.


From a Seattle PI article:

"He said 'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,' before opening fire on everyone," [Marla] Meislin-Dietrich said. "He was randomly shooting at everyone."



From NRO in 2002: Sympathizer Terrorists; Terrorists don’t always carry membership cards. by Eleana Gordon. (via Michelle Malkin)

We should not be bound by our past perceptions and definitions. The perpetrator of an act that has all the hallmarks of terrorism — deliberately targeting civilians, intent to send a message, in support of a broader cause or ideology — is a terrorist, whether or not he, or she, is formally affiliated with a terrorist organization.
All this has important implications for how we fight terrorism. We need to pay close attention to how radical Islamic ideas, such as jihad against infidels, are promoted in our country. We should keep a watch on Islamic hate groups, just as we keep a watch on Christian white-supremacist hate groups. And we should be on the lookout for hate-driven, sympathizer terrorism, a phenomenon that is real, that is happening, and which must be recognized if we are to have any chance to defeat it.


http://www.coxandforkum.com/

[waste gate]

There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain.
Life on the Mississippi

Fantastic!!!!!!!

[Skybird]

He suffers, and thus deserves out sympathy and help.

Sorry but that doesnot make him exept from prosecution.
Do you want to say that you are against peaceful coexistance with Muhammedans? :cool:

[waste gate]

No Skybird, but Muhammedans is your label. In the age of terrorism and crimminals I feel it's safe to call a spade a spade and label this man a terrorist. If he was other than that why did someone of Islamic belief target a Jewish community center? If it was mental illness why was he specific as to his target? Especially in a time when he (the mentally ill one) knew how it would appear. Unless of course you subcribe to the notion that all of Islam is mentally ill.

[SUBMAN1]

No Skybird, but Muhammedans is your label. In the age of terrorism and crimminals I feel it's safe to call a spade a spade and label this man a terrorist. If he was other than that why did someone of Islamic belief target a Jewish community center? If it was mental illness why was he specific as to his target? Especially in a time when he (the mentally ill one) knew how it would appear. Unless of course you subcribe to the notion that all of Islam is mentally ill.

I concur. Sorry Skybird, but I think I have to be against you on this one. A terrorist act is how the man entered the building, so I must label him a terrorist, regardless if he is a terrorist of 1 or 1000.

-S

[Skybird]

And I think I gotcha you both :lol:

[waste gate]

:lol: :lol:

Cool.

[SUBMAN1]

And I think I gotcha you both :lol:

I'm too tired and slow today to get this one, nor to spend much thought on it. I'll just let it fly right over my head and deal with it tomorrow! :dead:

-S

[scandium]

My two cents:

Actions have consequences. Drop a pebble into a pond and it'll create a ripple; drop several thousand tons of explosives into a pond and it'll create a tsunami. This is only a ripple, I said three weeks ago when Israel began destroying Lebanon, killing civilians by the hundreds, and displacing hundreds of thousands more into the winds as refugees, that there would be blowback. This kind of incident is blowback and its as predictable as the sun setting at night.

By the way I no more condone this man's killing of innocent civilians than I do the killing of civilians by the IDF in Lebanon or by Hezbollah in Israel - all of it serves only to serve the same never ending cycle that this is a symptom of. And there is nothing "crazy" about it; "crazy", in the clinical sense, implies the man was psychotic and out of touch with reality, while "crazy" (or more accurately "insane") in the legal sense means he didn't know right from wrong. I don't believe he was either.

What he is, is a mass murderer and they all fit the same generic profile: they are people with poor impulse control, loose bonds to society, a belief that their predicament/failures are not their fault but are instead externalized (a persecution/oppression complex), and an overwhelming desire (it can be pure hatred or hatred rationalized as righteous fury) to punish either society in general or one element of it in particular; the nature of the persecution/oppression complex determines who the victims will be. Finally, there is the "triggering event".

To apply the above profile to this individual based on what we know so far, the poor impulse control can be seen in the lewd conduct charge; one lack of a bond to society he has is his lack of employment, though there are probably others as well ( a loner, poor family relations, etc), and he probably blame his unemployment on society, and maybe even the 3rd reich myth that "the Jews control everything". The trigger, then was the events in Lebanon where suddenly this guy has a target for his hatred and he can rationalize the violence and hatred he wants to unleash on this Jewish group on the basis of their "collateral damage" in Lebanon; by the way, most mass killers commit suicide after their act (as they see themselves as martyrs that is the consumation of it) and almost all believe they will achieve a measure of notoriety that they'd never achieve otherwise.

Anyway, I think the "terrorism" lable is over used. I think this is blowback but of the relatively spontaneous, disorganized type and the real blowback is yet to come.

[waste gate]

What he is, is a mass murderer

One person died. This statement is disinformation.

Your info is not correct. Which brings into question all your posts.

Thank you for playing. We have some nice parting gifts for you.

[scandium]

What he is, is a mass murderer
One person died. This statement is disinformation.

Your info is not correct. Which brings into question all your posts.

Thank you for playing. We have some nice parting gifts for you.

He shot 6 people, though only one of them died I think that was more a matter of fate then intent.

[waste gate]

[/quote]He shot 6 people, though only one of them died I think that was more a matter of fate then intent.[/quote]

You are still spreading misinformation. Why can't you own up to your own stuff?

[scandium]

You are still spreading misinformation. Why can't you own up to your own stuff?

I've noticed you seem to like to play these trivial back and forth word games but you'll have to go find someone else to play with as its not my thing, sorry.

[waste gate]

I've noticed you seem to like to play these trivial back and forth word games but you'll have to go find someone else to play with as its not my thing, sorry

My bad, I'd just like you to give an honest, coherent opinion w/o quoting from some unknown website which gives you all the talking points w/o giving any new ideas as to how to address the situation differently. You accuse me of being too simplistic, but if you know where I'm coming from, why can't you sum it all up in simple sentances w/o the extravegance, which I assume, is meant to support your position.

Thank you again for your prompt reply
waste gate

[scandium]

I've noticed you seem to like to play these trivial back and forth word games but you'll have to go find someone else to play with as its not my thing, sorry
My bad, I'd just like you to give an honest, coherent opinion w/o quoting from some unknown website which gives you all the talking points w/o giving any new ideas as to how to address the situation differently. You accuse me of being too simplistic, but if you know where I'm coming from, why can't you sum it all up in simple sentances w/o the extravegance, which I assume, is meant to support your position.

Thank you again for your prompt reply
waste gate

Whenever I quote from a website I link to it and quote it. And no, I don't know where you're coming from nor do I particularly care at this point.

[waste gate]

I don't know where you're coming from nor do I particularly care at this point.

So I gave you more credit for intellegance than I should have. It will not happen again. My most sincere apolagies to you and all others on the board.

[Gizzmoe]

waste gate, I´ve asked you twice to change your behaviour. Enjoy your three day stay in the brig.

[Skybird]

Next time someone shoots at me (or tries to stab me for that matter), I need to remember that if I should die from that, or even just get hurt, the attack nevertheless is a matter of fate, and not a matter of intent. :dead:

[scandium]

Next time someone shoots at me (or tries to stab me for that matter), I need to remember that if I should die from that, or even just get hurt, the attack nevertheless is a matter of fate, and not a matter of intent. :dead:

You are misinterpreting what I said completely. I said that they survived was a matter of fate, since obviously the intent of the killer was to kill all 6 of them and maybe more as well. Fortunately 5 survived, but the 6th wasn't so lucky.

[Skybird]

I hear you, and okay then, you meant it differently. But the wording was a bit careless then. It could be understood both ways. ;)