Images of the next Russian sub

[LoBlo]

Interesting... wonder how realiable this model is?
original page
http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/462-3599.asp
direct image links
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3143/borey13qz.jpg

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/7348/borey27bq.jpg

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/3807/borey35wu.jpg


nice pumpjet too.:cool:

Problem is that with the Russian Navy in the financial bind it is... how long does it take to finish a sub... like 10-15 years of construction? and that's if its not cancelled and scrapped before hand, let alone if their will be any further units of the class.

[Onkel Neal]

I hope they never complete it, why do they need one? They have the US as an ally now, not an enemy:ping:

[Yahoshua]

Don't worry, their newest class is almost 15 years behind schedule.......:lol:

[STEED]

They should build it and turn it into a hotel, that should pay off the cost of the construction bill. :lol:

[goldorak]

I hope they never complete it, why do they need one? They have the US as an ally now, not an enemy:ping:
How about the US dismantles the 60 688i and 20 or so ohio submarines ?
Why would the US need them anymore ?
How about the 10 nuclear aircarft carriers ?
Don't we live in one big happy world ? :rotfl::arrgh!:

[Kapitan]

Dont want to worry you neal but its already under construction.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

sorry... the US aircraft carriers will have to stay... operational necessity...
and i doubt if there are 60 ssns in the inventory, or 20 ssbns prowling around either...

the new Russian sub is probably being built for a lot of the same reasons we're still building subs... besides, if they decide they don't need it anymore, India will always be there to make an offer...

--Mike

[Kapitan]

44 SSN's 14 SSBN's 4 SSGN's total american submarine force
26 SSN's 16 SSBN's 14 SSGN's total russian force

(note SSGN is deemed attack submarine also note this is from the last inventory i picked up dated 2005)

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

so, if there is any validity to Kapitan's numbers (they look accurate as far as i can see), it's obvious that the numbers Goldorak was alluding to were a lil exxagerrated...

plus, you must take into account the fact that at no time are any of the total numbers ever in service together... maintainence, repairs, etc usually means that at least 50% of any of the force is tied up at the pier...

getting back to the new Russian sub... at first glance, it reminds me of the Seawolf class... the last unit especially...

of course there are the usual appearance differences between US and Soviet boats, but overall, it seems to be a Soviet response to the JimmCarter... lengthened hull, pumpjet/propulsor, to me indicate an attempt at a lot of similar mission capabilities...

--Mike

[Kapitan]

The only source that will validate my numbers is janes, and thier website hasnt been updated in years.

however i do have a list of each submarine in service, some where.

[goldorak]

so, if there is any validity to Kapitan's numbers (they look accurate as far as i can see), it's obvious that the numbers Goldorak was alluding to were a lil exxagerrated...
--Mike


I took those numbers from the book "cold war submarines", and they were correct up until the end of the cold war.
I had no idea that the us had already decomissioned 20 688i and almost 50% of its ssbn. :oops:

[Kapitan]

Are you going bind? if you come here via the front gate there was daily news about it on the home page :D U.S turned 4 of thier ohios into SSGN so it leaves 14 left.

Russia has 16 SSBN's although 15 are fully active and only about 6 will be on duty some where at some stage of deployment (meaning theres only about 2 or 3 at sea).

If you want real numbers try the soviet navy.

91 SSBN's 422 attack submarines making a force of 513 submarines of which some 250 are nuclear powerd. (note this is at the hieght of the cold war)

[Godalmighty83]

you have to wonder how well all those old reactors are being looked after...

but returning to topic thats a mighty long sub.

[Bill Nichols]

you have to wonder how well all those old reactors are being looked after...

but returning to topic thats a mighty long sub.

Look at the third pic, immediately behind the sail. Do I see missile hatches there or not?

[Kapitan]

Yes i can four of them or at least four squares, but this looks like a seawolf hull with a kilo sail dont you think?

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

cruise missile launch tubes abaft of the sail, as opposed to in the bow section... right???

those are cruise missiles tubes??


--Mike

[Kapitan]

There have been many designs to house cruise missiles like SSBN's

[LoBlo]

this looks like a seawolf hull with a kilo sail dont you think?

Not really, only because of the pumpjet. The dorsal surface is more boxy, it appears to have alonger length to diameter ratio, and its TA is housed in its dorsal rudder (as opposed to independent twin ventral housing in the SW).

A source I've read is reporting that there are supposedly going to be around 8+ VLS tubes aft of the sail. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/885.htm

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

so those are in fact cruise missile tubes similar to the ones in the bows of US ssns... right ?

--Mike

[LoBlo]

As far as I understand yes. Cruise missiles and not SLBM missiles.

[goldorak]

Are you going bind? if you come here via the front gate there was daily news about it on the home page :D U.S turned 4 of thier ohios into SSGN so it leaves 14 left.


To be perfectly honest i bookmarked directly the forum, so i seldom see the homepage. :rotfl::|\\

[sonar732]

Something to think about the comparison of SSGN's is that the Ohio conversions are for TLAM's since the TASM is no longer in our inventory. Also, the Russian SSGN's are more ASM orriented.

[XabbaRus]

That is a picture of the Boeri so it is an SSBN. Taht model is direct from Rubin, I have seen other pictures of that particular one from a Weapons Expo in St Petes. I'm not sure if it is single or double hulled but it looks pretty.

[Kapitan]

It will be double hulled look at everything else.

[XabbaRus]

Nothing to say they haven't decided to go for a change. Pretty sure I read somewhere that the next gen of Russian subs will be smaller single hulled type. Agreed though Borei will be 2 hull.

[LoBlo]

I stand corrected then. I was under the expression that this was the next SSN, but if it is the next SSBN then those VLS tubes are indeed for SLBM and not cruise missiles.

[Type941]

I hope they never complete it, why do they need one? They have the US as an ally now, not an enemy:ping:

:smug::yep::lol::D:)

Thanks, that was a good laugh.

[Linton]

I found this page but unfortunately could not get it to translate:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.lenta.ru/news/2006/01/26/borei/picture.jpg&imgrefurl=http://pda.lenta.ru/news/2006/01/26/borei/&h=170&w=340&sz=10&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=_xM7wqVyL95NfM:&tbnh=60&tbnw=119&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2Bborei%2Bsubmarine%26svnum%3D10%26h l%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGEUA,GEUA:2006-13,GEUA:en%26sa%3DN
Perhaps Kap,or somebody else can help.

[STEED]

Here you go.:up:

http://www.worldlingo.com/en/websites/url_translator.html


[Severodvinsk] will note the century of the submarine fleet of Russia by atomic “mono-Mach's laying”

http://img.lenta.ru/news/2006/01/26/borei/picture.jpgSchematic of the submarine of the project “Of ”. Illustration from the site of submarine.id.ruIn March in the shipyards of [severodvinskogo] “northern machine-building enterprise” will be placed the new atomic submarine of the fourth generation for Russian VMF, it reports “Interfax” (http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/services/SH0gfCf2o9dMwqDrIb_RvuNUqPHLVfvK6/translation?wl_srclang=RU&wl_trglang=en&wl_rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpda.lenta.ru%2Fnews%2F2006%2F 01%2F26%2Fborei%2F&wl_url=www.interfax.ru).

Laying of the new Russian submarine the class of 955 projects “Of [borey]” (http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/services/SH0gfCf2o9dMwqDrIb_RvuNUqPHLVfvK6/translation?wl_srclang=RU&wl_trglang=en&wl_rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpda.lenta.ru%2Fnews%2F2006%2F 01%2F26%2Fborei%2F&wl_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsubmarine.id.ru%2Fsub.php%3F95 5) it takes place in the days the celebration of the century of the submarine fleet of Russia, which is noted on March 19.
During this day in 1906 by order on the sea department of the Russian Empire the submarines were declared by the independent class of warships. Officially this holiday is noted in the country since 1996.
According to the preliminary data, the submarine will be named “Vladimir [Monomakh]”. “The final solution will assume the command VMF of Russia, but we and ship-builders already appeared with the initiative of awarding to the new submarine of name of one of the most significant princes, which was become famous as the collector of Russia”, stated in the interview for agency the representative of the municipal administration.
Let us recall, the previous submarine of this project, which was called name “Alexander Nevskiy”, they placed on March 19, 2004.
At present on “[Sevmashpredpriyatii]” is conducted the building of two strategic [APL] of the fourth generation (first [APL] - “Yuri [Dolgorukiy]”). The submarines of the project “Of [borey]” were developed in the Saint -[pereburgskom] central design bureau of sea technology “ruby”.
Head [APL] of the project “Of [borey]” - “Yuri [Dolgorukiy]” - was placed on “[Sevmashe]” in 1995. The submarines of this project are equipped with the floating up rescue camera, capable of containing entire crew - i.e., it is more than 100 people.
It is assumed that the strategic nuclear-powered ships of the family “Of [borey]” together with the impact multipurpose atomic submarines of [usovershenstvovannogo] project 971 will be the basis of the Russian navy [KHKH]I of century.
[B]REFERENCES ON THE THEME

[Spoon 11th]

wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei_class_submarine

[Linton]

More information can be found here:http://submarine.id.ru/