Add spice to your sex life

[Skybird]

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1191

The Article by Die Welt is serious. The article by Bild - I am not sure. Bild is far from being a newspaper, it better is described as the German pendant to Britain's Mirror or The Sun. the Bild also claims that the offer is via one online store. If it is limited to that, I wonder why the Ministerpräsident comments so serious on the question.

[Oberon]

:o :lol: :o Good thing they waited until AFTER the World Cup to publish this or the arrest rates would have gone through the roof!!

[Fish]

Decreasing birthrates are good for mother earth! :yep:

[SUBMAN1]

Decreasing birthrates are good for mother earth! :yep:

Only in places like China or India. Bad for Europe since it represents a dying population.

-S

[Fish]

Decreasing birthrates are good for mother earth! :yep:

Only in places like China or India. Bad for Europe since it represents a dying population.

-S

I know, but still I think it would be better. For example the Netherlands with 484 people on a square kilometre, do you think there are much places to find nature and silence?

[SUBMAN1]

Decreasing birthrates are good for mother earth! :yep:

Only in places like China or India. Bad for Europe since it represents a dying population.

-S

I know, but still I think it would be better. For example the Netherlands with 484 people on a square kilometre, do you think there are much places to find nature and silence?

True, but when all those people retire, and not enough younger people come in to fill the jobs, who is going to pay all those government programs designed to help the retired for the rest of their life? Economically, its a disaster for the country. Europe knows this and has been importing Arabs to fill the bill, but we will see how long they can sustain this.

-S

[Skybird]

That is no argument, and it is a miracle, or better: a scandal that it is not opposed in public debate. since 15 years or so jobs are constantly cut, while at the same time, at least in Germany, companies report yearly record wins, often topping the previous year. So the generating of money obviously is not linked to an economical process for which the number of jobs is a valid indicator. Lesser workers have generated bigger incomes - that is the simply truth for the last 15 years or more. Problem is that these moneys are harvested by a smaller and smaller elite at the top, or are distributed to anonymous masses of private stock-holders, instead of being returned into the monetarian cycle of national economies. It is a constant drain of financial funds that is not available for supporting communal structures. If you would create more jobs - it would not mean more support for these structures, but just higher wins for stock-holders. I think we could cope very well with low birth rates and an increase of older population groups in the future without important cheap labour from foreign countries. But the cancer-like spreading of the stock-market-system has made that coping almost impossible. It leads to an economical philosophy that no longer values the interests of consumers or producers, national communities and economical general systems, but the profit interests of stock-holders - and the latter almost always have no interest, no knowledge and no personal link to these structures, or the business of a given company. So stock-holders demand only one thing: that a given comnpany should work in a way that generates the biggest wins for stock-holders - no matter if this results in suicidal policies and unresponsible violations of communal interests. Thois is the real probolem for me, not so much the decreasing population sizes.

[gdogghenrikson]

I dont have a sex life:down: :cry:

[SUBMAN1]

That is no argument, and it is a miracle, or better: a scandal that it is not opposed in public debate. since 15 years or so jobs are constantly cut, while at the same time, at least in Germany, companies report yearly record wins, often topping the previous year. So the generating of money obviously is not linked to an economical process for which the number of jobs is a valid indicator. Lesser workers have generated bigger incomes - that is the simply truth for the last 15 years or more. Problem is that these moneys are harvested by a smaller and smaller elite at the top, or are distributed to anonymous masses of private stock-holders, instead of being returned into the monetarian cycle of national economies. It is a constant drain of financial funds that is not available for supporting communal structures. If you would create more jobs - it would not mean more support for these structures, but just higher wins for stock-holders. I think we could cope very well with low birth rates and an increase of older population groups in the future without important cheap labour from foreign countries. But the cancer-like spreading of the stock-market-system has made that coping almost impossible. It leads to an economical philosophy that no longer values the interests of consumers or producers, national communities and economical general systems, but the profit interests of stock-holders - and the latter almost always have no interest, no knowledge and no personal link to these structures, or the business of a given company. So stock-holders demand only one thing: that a given comnpany should work in a way that generates the biggest wins for stock-holders - no matter if this results in suicidal policies and unresponsible violations of communal interests. Thois is the real probolem for me, not so much the decreasing population sizes.

I was just reading last week how Europe was having a hard time finding enough qualified workers. They directly related it to declining population along with a fast aging population. So you might want to go check up on that.

-S

[STEED]

I was just reading last week how Europe was having a hard time finding enough qualified workers. They directly related it to declining population along with a fast aging population.
-S

That's true, here in the U.K. the problem is due to the cost of living and taxes and so on. What people are doing is getting the qualifications and then selling up to move abroad. And I wish I did that years ago, nuts. :oops:

[Skybird]

We suffer from that too. but the root is that our school system is a triple-class system, and a great percentatge of students of the low and middle class schools have incredible deficits in calculating, writing and reading. It is said that these problems hinder them to even understand what is demanded from them. We also have a disproportion between demnds for personnel in one field, and job-seeking young people with qualification for other fields. But "man-material" itself, counted in numbers, we have more than enough. as a matter of fact we have lesser jobs on offer, than we have peoiple seeking for jobs.

A not too small percentage of young people leaving school an having got a "Lehrstelle" (where they get training for a special job) are not taken over once their training has ended. What use has it to train people, if oyu atill have no work to be done, only "mini-jobs" and "1-Euro-jobs"? The phenomenon of the "working poor" since long is no longer an excusively American one.

[retired1212]

Maybe in future, I will move to Dubai. No frigging taxations
Here, if I am retired, I will be paying taxes which is totally ridiculous. It is like paying taxes outta your tax returns.

[XabbaRus]

I dunno Steed, amongst my colleagues apart from my bosses who are all 10 or more years older than me I am unique in that I have a 2 kids at the age of 30.

When I've talked about it with them and friends from uni who have no kids but are maybe married it seems they aren't so much worried about how much kids are going to cost but that children will interfere with things like leisure activities, going out etc.

They enjoy having fun and kids they fear will put an end to that.

Thing is in the UK and esp up here in Scotland, those I know fun means getting hammered at least one night of the weekend. Call me poe faced and sanctimonious but I think that is something by the time you hit 30 you should of grown up out of kids or not. I also think that having kids means responisibilities ie you have to give up some things ie you have to grow up. I think some people are frightened of growing up.

Anyway having fun with teh kids needn't be expensive. Just had a great day at the swimming pool with the family and an early morning sitting in PJ's watching the goggle box.

[SUBMAN1]

I dunno Steed, amongst my colleagues apart from my bosses who are all 10 or more years older than me I am unique in that I have a 2 kids at the age of 30.

When I've talked about it with them and friends from uni who have no kids but are maybe married it seems they aren't so much worried about how much kids are going to cost but that children will interfere with things like leisure activities, going out etc.

They enjoy having fun and kids they fear will put an end to that.

Thing is in the UK and esp up here in Scotland, those I know fun means getting hammered at least one night of the weekend. Call me poe faced and sanctimonious but I think that is something by the time you hit 30 you should of grown up out of kids or not. I also think that having kids means responisibilities ie you have to give up some things ie you have to grow up. I think some people are frightened of growing up.

Anyway having fun with teh kids needn't be expensive. Just had a great day at the swimming pool with the family and an early morning sitting in PJ's watching the goggle box.

Sounds like moral decline - the me / here / now attitude instead of planning for the future generations. Typical of declining societies. We have the same issue, though not as bad yet, in the states. Ours isn't as bad though since we have the conservative states that are still producing children, while the liberal states are seeing a major decline. I looked at the states that voted for Bush, and all had increasing populations. Looking at the states voting for Kerry all had declining populations. I wonder if the democrates see whats going on? Soon, their support will die out without replacement!

-S

[Skybird]

Maybe in future, I will move to Dubai. No frigging taxations
Here, if I am retired, I will be paying taxes which is totally ridiculous. It is like paying taxes outta your tax returns.
But you must help to keep the dream alive, you renitent subversive grouser! :-j

[STEED]

I also think that having kids means responisibilities ie you have to give up some things ie you have to grow up. I think some people are frightened of growing up.

Good point I wish some parents would grow up and stop passing bad habits on to their children. Just another example of the way things are going. :nope:

[Skybird]

This is German only, sorry, and it is too long as if I would care to translate. But if you understand German, then I highly recommend to give this essay the time - it is hard to argue with it. It mirrors my opinion on the desasterous consequences of the decline of families (and what that is a symptom for) to almost 100%.

http://www.heise.de/bin/tp/issue/r4/dl-artikel2.cgi?artikelnr=23095&mode=print