Rifle manuals

[SUBMAN1]

Anyone know where I can find some rifle manuals? I sort of found myself owning an AK-47 last weekend. Yeah, I sound like it wasn't planned because it wasn't (I already have an AR-15 which I prefer so I do not need it, but it does add to my collection so I'll keep it) - long story where a friend needed money, but I hate giving loans, etc., so now I own this thing, but can't find any manuals on it. It's a Bulgarian SA93 imported by Arsenal, has milled (not stamped) receiver, etc. Can't seem to find any details on it online. I can find that it is one of the best quality AK's made, but that's where it stops.

Stumped. Any clues would be appreciated. I don't need the manual, but it would be nice. The reason is even though I have some experince on an AK, the operation of this thing is so simple that a chimp can figure it out, from pulling out the spring, bolt carrier, etc. Gas line pulls out real easy too. It would just be a nice thing to read - I always like to read the safety sections, etc. regardless how easy a firearm is.

-S

[Yahoshua]

Step One:

Go to this Website: http://www.hk94.com/hk/index.php?&

Step Two: Register your name.

Step Three: Post in the newbie section and introduce yourself.

Step Four: After we have our fun with you we will explain in far better detail where your rifle came from, where to get manuals, and (at no fee or hidden charge) we will also educate you on correct terminology. Or we could just eat you alive (just kidding).

[SUBMAN1]

Step One:

Go to this Website: http://www.hk94.com/hk/index.php?&

Step Two: Register your name.

Step Three: Post in the newbie section and introduce yourself.

Step Four: After we have our fun with you we will explain in far better detail where your rifle came from, where to get manuals, and (at no fee or hidden charge) we will also educate you on correct terminology. Or we could just eat you alive (just kidding).

All I want is a manual. Don't feel like registering on another forum. The reason is, just like in the computer world, everyone in the gun world is a damn expert. :) I could probably train at least half of them too on their own gun! I am just one of those guys that takes a life jacket and puts it on the bottom of a canoe when on a canoe ride, or more on topic, I make sure I am armed every time I go out into the forests out here! Call me a survivor or so, but if something bad happens, I am usually prepared for it, or at least have an out. An example is, even though I have had goverment model .45's, I still read the manual for my Kimber ProCarry .45 when I bought it, regardless that its nearly the same operation - does that tell you anything? Basically - I take it seriously.

Anyway, I found the US Army's AK-47 training manual (which is not what I really want but will work), and then I found out it was removed from the US Army's site for some reason. I can't win!

-S

PS. I prefer the Krinkov to this thing. Put many thousand rounds through fully auto Krinks before (I have friends that are BATF class 2 registered and have to own everything under the sun). To me though, the AK is just a plinker for a weekend.

[The Avon Lady]

Russian Dragunov sniper rifle manual (http://www.theavonlady.org/theofpfaq/downloads/dragunov.pdf). I much needed that for OFP. :yep:

[SUBMAN1]

Russian Dragunov sniper rifle manual (http://www.theavonlady.org/theofpfaq/downloads/dragunov.pdf). I much needed that for OFP. :yep:

Thanks! I'll save that one.

[SUBMAN1]

Upon further examination of this thing (Haven't looked at it much yet because I;ve been busy with other things) is that I thought this thing was imported by Arsenal USA. That is not the case. Though it is still made by Arsenal in Bulgaria, it has Sentinel Arms, Detroit Mich stamped on the side, right above made in Bulgaria. Maybe I have been looking for the wrong thing all along. Interesting.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

This is exactly why I wanted a manual - to know things like this - notice the possibility of a round fired just by cycling - Maybe I'm too safety paranoid, but I don't plan on being a Darwin statistic!

-S

When the trigger is pulled, the hammer falls, hits the rear of the firing pin, and the round detonates. Note that the AK-47 bolt is locked closed by rotating when the bolt carrier is moved forward (there is a cam on the top of the bolt that engages a slot in the bolt carrier to accomplish the rotation). The firing pin is free-floating -- there is no spring to hold it retracted until the hammer falls. Consequently, if one manually cycles live rounds through the AK-47, one will observe light indentations on the primers where the firing pit hit against them as the action closed. Consequently, it is inadvisable to chamber live rounds unless you are prepared for the possibility of the weapon firing when you do so.

[Yahoshua]

"Consequently, it is inadvisable to chamber live rounds unless you are prepared for the possibility of the weapon firing when you do so."

:rotfl:

Sorry, I couldn't help it over that one.

But really, the site I provided would be the best idea for you to go onto. The guys there are good and friendly and very helpful. If you need manuals or just basic information, ask them.

[SUBMAN1]

"Consequently, it is inadvisable to chamber live rounds unless you are prepared for the possibility of the weapon firing when you do so."

:rotfl:

Sorry, I couldn't help it over that one.

But really, the site I provided would be the best idea for you to go onto. The guys there are good and friendly and very helpful. If you need manuals or just basic information, ask them.

yeah yeah - funny. :roll: The point is, the action from chambering the round could potentially set it off. That was the point.

I think I found what I need. Thanks though.

-S

PS. This site has a wealth of information. http://www.ak-47.us/

PPS. This site is one of my old favorites for manuals, but is lacking a AK manual www.ar15.com (http://www.ar15.com)

[SUBMAN1]

"Consequently, it is inadvisable to chamber live rounds unless you are prepared for the possibility of the weapon firing when you do so."

:rotfl:

Sorry, I couldn't help it over that one.

But really, the site I provided would be the best idea for you to go onto. The guys there are good and friendly and very helpful. If you need manuals or just basic information, ask them.

By the way, I think I'll keep that link you gave me. Has lots of good stuff for sale! :up:

-S

[blue3golf]

Pretty much any weapon with a rotating bolt will have the firing pin dent the primer. M-16's do it as well. The round isn't foing to go off jsut from cycling it manually unless you continously put the cycled rounds through the weapon in that manner.

[SUBMAN1]

Pretty much any weapon with a rotating bolt will have the firing pin dent the primer. M-16's do it as well. The round isn't foing to go off jsut from cycling it manually unless you continously put the cycled rounds through the weapon in that manner.

My AR doesn't have this problem.

-S

[Etienne]

I am just one of those guys that takes a life jacket and puts it on the bottom of a canoe when on a canoe ride, (...)

Were you trying to imply that you were safety conscious, or do you mean you carry a spare PFD for knee comfort reason?

[SUBMAN1]

I am just one of those guys that takes a life jacket and puts it on the bottom of a canoe when on a canoe ride, (...)

Were you trying to imply that you were safety conscious, or do you mean you carry a spare PFD for knee comfort reason?

Comfort of course! :p

-S

PS. No - I take it so I have something that floats just incase. The shore always looks so close... Famous last words.

[Etienne]

I am just one of those guys that takes a life jacket and puts it on the bottom of a canoe when on a canoe ride, (...)

Were you trying to imply that you were safety conscious, or do you mean you carry a spare PFD for knee comfort reason?

Comfort of course! :p

-S

PS. No - I take it so I have something that floats just incase. The shore always looks so close... Famous last words.

"I have a PFD in the canoe" is also a famous last phrase. Those things are meant to be worn...

If you carry a spare, I'd recommend a life ring or rescuit quoit ; they're much easier to throw.

[SUBMAN1]

I am just one of those guys that takes a life jacket and puts it on the bottom of a canoe when on a canoe ride, (...)
Were you trying to imply that you were safety conscious, or do you mean you carry a spare PFD for knee comfort reason?
Comfort of course! :p

-S

PS. No - I take it so I have something that floats just incase. The shore always looks so close... Famous last words.
"I have a PFD in the canoe" is also a famous last phrase. Those things are meant to be worn...

If you carry a spare, I'd recommend a life ring or rescuit quoit ; they're much easier to throw.

Yeah yeah - it floats. If the canoe sinks, I got something. Most people don't even seem to have the life jacket at all up north! A ring would be better though - if I owned one.

-S

[blue3golf]

My AR doesn't have this problem

The AR doesn't have the problem becasue even though its based on the same system it doesnt have burst capability so the trigger group, specifically having one sear instead of two makes the difference.

[SUBMAN1]

My AR doesn't have this problem
The AR doesn't have the problem becasue even though its based on the same system it doesnt have burst capability so the trigger group, specifically having one sear instead of two makes the difference.

Sounds like you are experienced in the field a bit. Now can you answer me this one - my Kimber Pro Carry .45 is having the occasional FTF (Failure to Feed) - happens once or twice every few clips. I didn't used to have this problem. Figured the spring must be getting warn, so I replaced it with a brand new Wolf spring. Didn't help. Tried all different ammo - no effect. The point is, one FTF in 20-25 rounds is not acceptable to me (I don't trust the gun to save my life if its going to have an FTF!) and the only solution one guy came up with is that I am limp wristing it (which I wasn't). So as an experiment, I purposely limp wristed it and the problem increased to almost 1 or more a clip.

Plan 2 - Replace the mags. So I own mags from several manufacturer. Have the Kimber factory 7 round mag, Shooting Star 8 round mags (which seem to work best), and even Wilson mags. Nodda - no fix!

Next plan, I replaced my Breakfree gun oil with Militec-1 (good stuff by the way, especially on the AR!) and this sort of made things better, but didn't fix it. I even scrubbed it to the point where you can't find a spec of dirt on this thing and nearly disassembled it completely - but no go. Federal Hydrashock 230 gr cycles best through it, better than 230 gr ball ammo, but this is a little expensive ammo to use to target practice with! :)

Any thoughts? I've dumped many $$$ into finding a solution but I am probably down to taking it to a gunsmith for a look. I don't want to replace it with A Kimber Pro Carry II since the earlier Pro Carry like I have is a much better gun - less complicated since a lawyer wasn't involved in its design to add a part that doesn't help anyway - some lawyer made Kimber put a saftey on the firing pin that prevents the pin from discharging a round during a drop of the firearm (Did he buy one and decide he didn't like the design?) - even though there has been no documented discharges from a Kimber from any drop and no one else puts a mechanism on their firearms like this that I can think of - so in essence, he made the firearm more complicated and less reliable - why doesn't he go after Colt to do the same thing since the design is the same? Anyway - that is why the older Pro Carry's are worth more online than the newer Pro Carry II.

-S

PS. The fun of mechanical objects.

[blue3golf]

I would have started with the mags which you already did and the spring, you weren't limp wristing. changed to Miltec (best lubricant out there, used it in Iraq and will never use anything else), the Hydra shocks work better I'm assuming because of the extra power I'm guessing or the actual shape of the bullet itself. The only thing I can think of is that there may be something out of tune with the barrel itself when it goes to chamber the next round or for some reason a rapid increase in temperature is causing the barrel to expand and contract maybe causing something equivalent to a dry bolt seizure going on with the round itself. Like I said earlier you covered all the normal fixes and then some. If it is headspacing or something like that though its gonna cost even more. Isn't there some kind of warranty on those Kimbers?

The old Colt 1911's had a single piece firing pin which did in fact have accidental discharges. I have the model 1991 and in that model it has a two piece firing pin so if the hammer would go forward or if something would strike the pin and the safety is on only the rear part of the pin actually gets hit and the forward part that strikes the primer doesnt get touched.

[SUBMAN1]

I would have started with the mags which you already did and the spring, you weren't limp wristing. changed to Miltec (best lubricant out there, used it in Iraq and will never use anything else), the Hydra shocks work better I'm assuming because of the extra power I'm guessing or the actual shape of the bullet itself. The only thing I can think of is that there may be something out of tune with the barrel itself when it goes to chamber the next round or for some reason a rapid increase in temperature is causing the barrel to expand and contract maybe causing something equivalent to a dry bolt seizure going on with the round itself. Like I said earlier you covered all the normal fixes and then some. If it is headspacing or something like that though its gonna cost even more. Isn't there some kind of warranty on those Kimbers?

The old Colt 1911's had a single piece firing pin which did in fact have accidental discharges. I have the model 1991 and in that model it has a two piece firing pin so if the hammer would go forward or if something would strike the pin and the safety is on only the rear part of the pin actually gets hit and the forward part that strikes the primer doesnt get touched.

THe trick is, the slide doesn't close and lock either (forgot to mention that)- it gets caught on the feed. Looked at the barrel/ramp feed- looks perfect like day 1. I think a gunsmith is in my future.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

One more thing I forgot to mention - the bullet gets stuck nose down in the clip when this happens. Like it didn't feed right.

-S

[blue3golf]

Yeah, sounds like the gunsmith is the way to go. If it aint locking and it's pushing down the round its something more serious than a spring I'd think.

[SUBMAN1]

Yeah, sounds like the gunsmith is the way to go. If it aint locking and it's pushing down the round its something more serious than a spring I'd think.

Figured. Thanks for the help anyway though.

-S

[blue3golf]

Always nice to have a talk about firearms. One of my favorite subjects, sure have spent enought time carrying them around.

[Yahoshua]

Funny that....I'm in training to become a gunsmith (haven't gotten very far, it's only my second week).

[SUBMAN1]

Funny that....I'm in training to become a gunsmith (haven't gotten very far, it's only my second week).

Maybe you can do my Kimber as an exercise in your training! :) If you can fix this, you can fix anything!

I think i have a lifetime factory warranty on it though, so I think I'll see what they have to say about it.

-S

[Yahoshua]

Yeah, check up on that.

I think it should cover all defective parts (does it cover wear and tear?)

But as far as I know the general swath of warrantes don't cover tampering of parts.

[SUBMAN1]

Yeah, check up on that.

I think it should cover all defective parts (does it cover wear and tear?)

But as far as I know the general swath of warrantes don't cover tampering of parts.

If I have time this weekend, I'll go put 250 - 500 rounds through it and study how bad it is. I'll get the dremmel out and buff up the feed ramp 1st too. Basically, this is my fav handgun and the one always readily available in my house. I need it to go off more than once if I need to use it! A jam in a scenario like that has got to be a nightmare!

-S