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kiwi_2005
07-11-06, 05:28 PM
:o Drug induce hippy from the past: "Far out man, me and some cats were reading the news on that freaky thing they call the internet and like oh wow man we came across this, God can be found in mushroons man! This is more weirder than sitting through a whole sitting of 2001 space odessey". Peace love and veges man

Neuroscientists find God in mushrooms

Wednesday July 12, 2006
By Jeremy Laurance

LONDON - A universal mystical experience with life-changing effects can be produced by the hallucinogen contained in magic mushrooms, scientists claimed yesterday.

Forty years after Timothy Leary, the apostle of drug-induced mysticism, urged his 1960s hippie followers to "tune in, turn on, and drop out", researchers at Johns Hopkins University in the US have for the first time demonstrated that mystical experiences can be produced safely in the laboratory.

They say that there is no difference between drug-induced mystical experiences and the spontaneous religious ones that believers have reported for centuries. They are "descriptively identical".

And they argue that the potential of the hallucinogenic drugs, ignored for decades because of their links with illicit drug use in the 1960s, must be explored to develop new treatments for depression, drug addiction and the treatment of intolerable pain.

Anticipating criticism from church leaders, they say they are not interested in the "Does God exist?" debate. "This work can't and won't go there."

Interest in the therapeutic use of psychedelic drugs is growing around the world. In the UK, the Royal College of Psychiatrists debated their use at a conference in March for the first time for 30 years. A conference held in Basel, Switzerland, last January, reviewed the growing psychedelic psychiatry movement.

The drug psilocybin is the active ingredient of magic mushrooms, which grow wild in Wales and were openly sold in London markets until a change in the law last year.

For the Johns Hopkins study, 30 middle-aged volunteers who had religious or spiritual interests attended two eight-hour drug sessions, two months apart, receiving psilocybin in one session and a non-hallucinogenic stimulant - Ritalin - in the other. They were not told which drug was which.

One-third described the experience with psilocybin as the most spiritually significant of their lifetime and two-thirds rated it among their five most meaningful experiences.

In more than 60 per cent of cases the experience qualified as a "full mystical experience" based on established psychological scales, the researchers say. Some likened it to the importance of the birth of their first child or the death of a parent.

The effects lasted for at least two months. Eight out of 10 of the volunteers reported moderately or greatly increased wellbeing or life satisfaction. Relatives, friends and colleagues confirmed the changes.

The study is one of the first in the new discipline of "neurotheology" -the neurology of religious experience. The researchers, who report their findings in the online journal Psychopharmacology, say that, though unorthodox, their aim is to explore the possible benefits of drugs like psilocybin.

Professor Roland Griffiths, of the department of neuroscience and psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, said: "As a reaction to the excesses of the 1960s, human research with hallucinogens has been basically frozen in time. I had a healthy scepticism going into this. [But] under defined conditions, with careful preparation, you can safely and fairly reliably occasion what's called a primary mystical experience that may lead to positive changes in a person.

"It is an early step in what we hope will be a large body of scientific work that will ultimately help people."

A third of the volunteers became frightened during the drug sessions with some reporting feelings of paranoia.

The researchers say psilocybin is not toxic or addictive, unlike alcohol and cocaine, but that volunteers must be accompanied throughout the experience by people who can help them through it.

The study is hailed as a landmark by former director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, Charles Schuster, in a commentary published alongside the research.

In a second commentary, Huston Smith, America's leading authority on comparative religion, writes that mystical experience "is as old as humankind" and attempts to induce it using psychoactive plants were made in some ancient cultures, such as classical Greece, and in some contemporary small-scale cultures.

"But this is the first scientific demonstration in 40 years, and the most rigorous ever, that profound mystical states can be produced safely in the laboratory. The potential is great."

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Skybird
07-11-06, 05:47 PM
Quatsch.

It is not really new. The setting of the examination and it's size and style may be, but by what it concludes it is not really new.

I am for example familiar with the work of Stanislav Grof, whom I admire for much that he has found out and what he sums up in his description of the so-called peri-natal matrix. However, the use of drugs is an attempt to use shortcuts, and also to reduce true mystical experience to the level of a material phenomenon of the material world, and by that - to a phenomenon whose understanding can be grabbed, explained and predicted by science. Don't get fooled by it.

All people I ever heared of, of the past or of the present, who have had mystical experiences of the Absolute themselves, agree on that what drugs show you, is not a truly mystical experience, but a form of mysticism. It might even be useful, as Grof showed (before he left the use of LSD and replaced it with breathing techniques), as a way of gaining certain kind of knowledge about birth, death, and perinatal times of being. But it is not the Absolute, but still all part of the relative, conditioned world.

In this artcile, we do not see the revelation of any new truth at work, but only a material scientific dogma.

Iceman
07-12-06, 03:32 AM
Old news to the native American Indian...Peyote. :)

jumpy
07-12-06, 05:56 AM
mmmm mushrooms :doh:
best made into some kind of tea :up:

Skybird
07-12-06, 10:36 AM
Tea...???

jumpy
07-12-06, 08:02 PM
Yes, boil them up in some water until it goes a brownish colour and voila! that's how you make mushroom tea. Or so I've heard *cough* *cough*
...don't forget to strain the mixture before you drink it :oops::lol:

I used to go magic-mushroom picking occasionally when I was a student, hehe. I certainly wouldn't recomend it in the search for enlightenment or thinking any heavy thoughts - better to do that stuff with a straight head. More a bit of fun and a plesant way to spend an afternoon out doors in the fresh air, for me anyway. Gotta be careful not to over do it though :dead:
Reminds me of something Howard Marks said recently on uk sky-tv about what causes people to have either a 'good' or a 'bad' trip:
"Basically it comes down to three things- who you are, where you are and what the **** you're taking."

lol I hadn't thought about any of this in absolutely ages until reading that article :hmm:

Interesting about the trial subjects having 'spiritual' experiences... presumably they knew they were going to be having a 'trip' so that they'd know in advance it was the drugs bending their head?
I'm not entirely convinced of the benefits that any kind of theraputic use of powerful hallucinogens would be an entirely appropriate treatment, say for a person with depression or perhaps some other psycological issue. Using hallucinogenic agents that alter brain chemistry is a tricky business. Indeed a very good friend of mine lost his marbles after droping acid with some mates one evening. He never really came down, and he couldn't seem to decide who he was anymore - essentially he came from a fairly traditional pakistani family who's values clashed with values he considered to be his own and his friends. He went from being an outwardly friendly guy to this whole other person, confused and unsure of himself, a very troubled young man, all in the space of about 36 hours. He's 'better' now but he's still not the same guy, Raj, that I used to know.
I guess if there's going to be considered scientific research with open discussion as oposed to a knee jerk prohibition and blanket bann on any further studies of the effects of these active chemicals, then some good or further understanding may come of it. More knowlege is always useful, even if you don't quite know what to do with it yet.

Skybird
07-13-06, 04:20 AM
On stanislav Grof: http://www.healthy.net/scr/interview.asp?Id=200 A good summary and overview of his work is "The Cosmic Game" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0791438767/sr=8-3/qid=1152782066/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-4221777-2788725?ie=UTF8 . A classic and a work I found to be highly influential is "Beyond the Brain". http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0873958993/sr=8-8/qid=1152782066/ref=pd_bbs_8/104-4221777-2788725?ie=UTF8. Grof and Ken Wilber are of different opinions on some things, but generally share a very huge ammount of mutual respect.

gabeeg
07-13-06, 12:48 PM
mmmm mushrooms :doh:
best made into some kind of tea :up:

Oh man...THAT could not have tasted good....