SeaWolves or Battle in the Med?

[horrgakx]

Hi guys - I've looked at a mod before and had a problem with it in that when I saved a game I couldn't reload it. So I've reinstalled and applied the latest patch on a clean game.

What's the general concensus about Seawolves vs Battle in the med? I'd guess you can't use both at the same time - so which would you plumb for?

Oh while I remember, whats the difference between GREY wolves and SEA wolves?

Dave

[JScones]

Just as one seawolves thread is locked, up pops another. Look here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=95457)for last thread on seawolves (has it just been released in another country?).

Battle of the Med looks promising though, and to be totally honest with you I was thinking of buying it until I got wind of what's scheduled in the Grey Wolves Expansion Pack, so I'll be waiting for the *free* mod.

Others will comment on Seawolves, I just don't want to go there (again), so here's the link to both homepages:

Seawolves (which is NOT free): http://www.combatplanes.ca/seawolves.htm
Grey Wolves (which is free): http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/TGW/

[Sir Big Jugs]

Not ANOTHER SeaWolves thread!:o

So, to clarify.

SEAWolves is a collection of STOLEN COMMUNITY-MADE freely available mods which they sell and say that it is "their" addon.

GREYWolves is a free mega-super addon for SHIII version 1.4. It is not compabtible with other mods. Ten times better than SeaWolves. Created by some of the best modders available for SH3, completely legal and free.

GreyWolves website:
http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/TGW/#dl

Battle in the med; I've got no idea of it so far as I saw it just today, but it looks a bit more OK than SeaWolves. Of course, you'll have to pay, but if you enjoy the med I'd say it's worth it. I don't think that it has stolen any community-made free mods.

BUT

If you enjoy other places than the med I would absolutely recommend GreyWolves.

It is the best thing that ever happened this community!

My favorite in GreyWolves is the sunken ships realistically placed in Scapa Flow to make it harder and more realistic to enter, just as it was in real life.

[Sir Big Jugs]

Battle of the Med looks promising though, and to be totally honest with you I was thinking of buying it until I got wind of what's scheduled in the Grey Wolves Expansion Pack

WHAT?

TELL ME!

PLEEEAAASSEEEE!:o

[JScones]

Check out http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=95149

[sergbuto]

Just as one seawolves thread is locked, up pops another. Look here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=95457)for last thread on seawolves (has it just been released in another country?).

This is most likely done by X1-software people on purpose once in a while. I've seen them coming here every time with new nicks, which have no info in the profile and very few posts, and start the thread like this (kind of advertisement) or ask very specific technical questions and pick up the knowledge/mods to be sold later. That was especially common before the first Seawolves release.

[JScones]

Thanks for the heads up Sergbuto. I never noticed, but I don't doubt it for a second.

EDIT: LOL! I just noticed Drebbel's Med thread. So he's been X-1 all along! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[sergbuto]

Actually, Drebbel is asking for info which was already presented and discussed in a number of threads. Asking to repeat that is indeed a good advertisement case, especially when it is coupled with the moderator hat.

[horrgakx]

Looks like I've stirred it up, sorry guys, I did have a look through the board first.

It seems that downloading Grey Wolves is a task that is difficult in itself... :) Bandwidth problems...

Dave

[josephmorra]

I have tried to download Greywolves, finanally got it I had bin file problems, got any answers. At the cost of $22.00 I downloaded the other one, could not get my system to accept the file. So my $22.00 was deep sixed. Any suggestions will be gratefully accepted.

[JScones]

It seems that downloading Grey Wolves is a task that is difficult in itself... :) Bandwidth problems...
Yes. With the mirror site I've found that it's best to try whilst the bulk of the USA is sleeping. I usually get max speeds at that time.

[Sir Big Jugs]

It seems that downloading Grey Wolves is a task that is difficult in itself... :) Bandwidth problems... Yes. With the mirror site I've found that it's best to try whilst the bulk of the USA is sleeping. I usually get max speeds at that time.

Damn yanks. . .:p

[JScones]

I have tried to download Greywolves, finanally got it I had bin file problems, got any answers.
Have you checked the Grey Wolves FAQ page, available via the Grey Wolves homepage (http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/TGW/).

If so, and it hasn't helped, you'll need to post a bit more info, like exactly what the problem is and what errors you are getting.

[Drebbel]

EDIT: LOL! I just noticed Drebbel's Med thread. So he's been X-1 all along! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Yes, X1 is paying my trip to the German Games Convention. And I think it is normal you do something in return. :know:

So please stop bashing me and sending PMs about me posting the thread about the Med mod from combatplanes ! I post all stuff that seems new to me, if there is something wrong with the news I know you all will not hesitate and let the community know your thoughts in no time :D

We all know the Seawolves story, but atleast have an open mind towards the new Med mod. It might be an honest mod, it might be great fun, and of course it might not be.

[Wulfmann]

As for the first Seawolves it is way past its day and Greywolves and NYGM are much better and free, IMO.
As for the new Med Seawolves (U-Boat: Battle in the Mediterranean)that has not been released except in France.
I advised them historically and beta tested it.
It is very much fun in the Med, has over 40 new ships and I questioned anything I thought might be another mod. They were very straight forward with me and I didn't hold back on questions.
I must add I did not play the NA in the add on only the Salamis and Black Sea campaigns but I am delighted to have the many new ships which I put in my Grey Wolves.
While I beleive it is worth it for the ships alone I can also say the hyper historic activity in the Med is none stop action. No long boring lonely patrols, its battle stations from the get go.
So, I found a way to have both SW-Med and GW on the same PC in separate installs.
It does not have to be an either or nor should we look to trash payware as anything that adds people to our small community helps keep the SH series alive. And we are borderline so seeing how much we can piss off UBI might not be the result most of us would prefer.

Wulfmann

[horrgakx]

Ok this is becoming a hassle; I have been trying for 3 days to get GreyWolves but the bandwidth has been exceeded on the primary site and I get a 404 error on the secondary site.

Does anyone have it available - maybe as a Torrent?

Dave

[CruiseTorpedo]

I would also like to download greywolves and I'm running into the same trouble. The gibbage site works but it's very slow.

[horrgakx]

I can't even get it to work slowly ;)

I did find it on the Torrent network but I'm not sure how reliable it is. Have a go;
http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=grey+wolves&ext=&op=and

[CruiseTorpedo]

If I get it to download I can email it to you. I'm working on the second bin file now, if someone who has it could send it my email is ketcham-j@adelphia.net

Thanks!

[bigboywooly]

Am downloading it now - when I get it I will upload to filefront for you
I will also try it as a torrent when I get it all
If I can get my torrent program working again :up:


First bin down - uploading to filefront now

[horrgakx]

Bear in mind it is nearly a 700Mb file.....



If I get it to download I can email it to you. I'm working on the second bin file now, if someone who has it could send it my email is ketcham-j@adelphia.net

Thanks!

[CruiseTorpedo]

oh nm then lol

I'll keep trying to d/l it


I now have 2 of the 4 bin files, 3rd one is about half way there. Didnt realize how big these are, I guess it's downloading faster than I thought. Also grabbing nygm mod, never tried anything but a small mod to include some harbor traffic.

[horrgakx]

If you grab a BitTorrent program, like Azureus, you should be able to get the full thing. The version available is 1.1a which is the current one. I will leave my Azureus open when it has finished for a limited period only...

[VonHelsching]

We all know the Seawolves story, but atleast have an open mind towards the new Med mod. It might be an honest mod, it might be great fun, and of course it might not be.

I have an open mind, but since this company does not offer something something really new (like new playable subs), then there is actually no room for payware to develop, like in other games. Not with the big modpacks developed in this forum and the modpacks of the German community.

[MobyGrape]

The Greywolves Mod, is simply Fantastic:up:

[Wulfmann]

The Greywolves Mod, is simply Fantastic:up:

Yes MG, it really is fantastic. But, with all those SW Med ships in mine it is even better.
Is it worth the money for us that mod? Personal opinion; and like the place our waste exits we all have one.
One does not have to give up GW to have the new SW.
It is not an either or.
I respect anyone's decision. I just hope when a newbee SW user comes here looking for help he will not be treated like crap because he is not "one of us".
Blaming someone that chose to buy this for disliking the dev is counter productive and petty and I hope the community has matured.

Wulfmann

[bigboywooly]

The Greywolves Mod, is simply Fantastic:up:

Yes MG, it really is fantastic. But, with all those SW Med ships in mine it is even better.
Is it worth the money for us that mod? Personal opinion; and like the place our waste exits we all have one.
One does not have to give up GW to have the new SW.
It is not an either or.
I respect anyone's decision. I just hope when a newbee SW user comes here looking for help he will not be treated like crap because he is not "one of us".
Blaming someone that chose to buy this for disliking the dev is counter productive and petty and I hope the community has matured.

Wulfmann

I personally would never treat a SW user like crap on here as the mod they use is a matter of their own personal choice
BUT its hard to give help with a mod that very very few would touch on this forum
One would think the best place for assistance is the simhq forums but as I never got one answer depite joining ( and never being allowed to log on ???? ) I doubt help will be so easy to come by there
Speaking from MY own personal experiance

[CB..]

We all know the Seawolves story, but atleast have an open mind towards the new Med mod. It might be an honest mod, it might be great fun, and of course it might not be.

I have an open mind, but since this company does not offer something something really new (like new playable subs), then there is actually no room for payware to develop, like in other games. Not with the big modpacks developed in this forum and the modpacks of the German community.

well if i can produce new playable subs using what resources there are freely available then they should be able to do it (and a better job too of course---i know no-one thinks much of my jobs---it's a free world- thinking doesn't cost anything lol)

what the pay ware guys should consider is following the flight sim pattern and re-modelling the normal german player subs to a higher level of detail and charging a fiver a go to download them---bog standard flight sim marketing--

i'm only limited with my new player subs by the fact my modelling program allthough reasonably compatible with both pack 3d and sh3--doesn't produce new parts that the conversion will readily accept--so i am limited to modifying what is allready there--and of course the texturing of those parts which is a huge problem

if the pay ware guys have access to the UBI modelling tools etc then there should be no problem at all..
i can do it and im working by trail and error--


IMO the tendency towards extremely large all in one world mods has made life far too complicated and competitive when it comes to the production of add-ons--any producer who constructs a new super mod pack wether free or pay ware is going to come in for the same brittle anxiety

for example i have been critised for not providing british japanese or american crew members interiors torpedoes and campaign with the new subs---which quite frankly is beyond belief..and so forth

[VonHelsching]

for example i have been critised for not providing british japanese or american crew members interiors torpedoes and campaign with the new subs---which quite frankly is beyond belief..and so forth

And if finally you come up with japanese crews, they'll tell you that their medals you put are not historically correct, or start asking you why the sub's restroom isn't modelled. :doh:

[CB..]

for example i have been critised for not providing british japanese or american crew members interiors torpedoes and campaign with the new subs---which quite frankly is beyond belief..and so forth

And if finally you come up with japanese crews, they'll tell you that their medals you put are not historically correct, or start asking you why the sub's restroom isn't modelled. :doh:

makes you lose the will to live!! yup they'll be wanting you to come round and hold their hand whilst they play next..:yep:

[sergbuto]

---i know no-one thinks much of my jobs---it's a free world- thinking doesn't cost anything lol

The main thing is that you like and enjoy/having fun with them. That's what is counted.

[CB..]

---i know no-one thinks much of my jobs---it's a free world- thinking doesn't cost anything lol

The main thing is that you like and enjoy/having fun with them. That's what is counted.

well you would think so...i've yet to see better tho--be more than happy to use some one else versions if they were available--getting lots of critism but no alternatives:yep: and at that point it all starts to get a bit silly!