Mother at 62!!!

[STEED]

Ok folks, what do you think is this is right?


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Briton becomes new mother at 62
The parents have nicknamed their son JJ
A 62-year-old child psychiatrist has become the oldest woman in Britain to have a baby.
Patricia Rashbrook of Lewes, East Sussex, and her 6lb 10oz boy, nicknamed JJ, were said to be doing well by her husband John Farrant, 60.
Critics said it was selfish to have a baby at their age, but they said they were confident of meeting his needs. They travelled to the former Soviet Union to get fertility treatment from Italian doctor Severino Antinori.


'Extremely healthy'
Dr Rashbrook already has three grown-up children - aged 26, 22 and 18 - from her first marriage, but her husband has become a father for the first time.
JJ was conceived through IVF using a donor egg and was the result of the couple's fifth and final attempt at the process, which cost £10,000.

What is important in parenting is not how old you are, but whether you are meeting all the child's needs and we are very confident about doing that
Dr Patricia Rashbrook


Dr Peter Bowens Simkins, clinical director of the Cromwell IVF and Fertility Centre, in Swansea, said he and others in his profession considered the birth unacceptable.
"I don't think that it is a responsible decision on her part and I don't think it is in the best interests of the child to have a mother who, when he or she is taking say GCSEs, the mother is going to be in her late 70s," he said.

"As long as people have the freedom and movement there's nothing one can do to stop that, but in this country I think it's highly unlikely that we'll see it happening for many years."
But Dr Rashbrook told the Daily Mail she felt "it was the right thing to do" and she did not feel too old to have a baby.
She said: "We would not have gone ahead if we'd felt we would not be good enough parents.
"We are both extremely healthy and I have always looked and felt very young, but nevertheless we have younger friends with children who have agreed to act as surrogate parents should anything happen to us.
"What is important in parenting is not how old you are, but whether you are meeting all the child's needs and we are very confident about doing that."
World's oldest mother
Mr Farrant said the couple had received more than 200 letters, cards and e-mails of goodwill from members of the public and only one, unsigned letter that was "negative in tone".
Speaking on the steps of the couple's four-storey townhouse on Saturday he said: "I'm happy, we are happy."
Dressed in shorts, sandals and a T-shirt, he said his wife and JJ had no immediate plans to leave the house.


"He's had enough excitement in the last couple of days," he said.
The couple said the baby had been nicknamed JJ early in the pregnancy, but were yet to decide what his full name would be.
Dr Rashbrook described her son, who was delivered by Caesarean section at Sussex County Hospital, in Brighton, on Wednesday, as "adorable", adding: "Having been through so much to have him, we are overjoyed.
"His birth was absolutely wonderful and deeply moving for both of us."
The couple said the baby had been nicknamed JJ early on in the pregnancy, but are yet to decide what his full name will be.
Dr Rashbrook is not the first woman in her 60s to become a new mother.
Liz Buttle, from Wales, was 60 years old when she gave birth to a son, Joseph, in 1997.
The oldest woman in the world to give birth is thought to be Adriana Iliescu, from Romania, who had a daughter called Eliza Maria in January last year at the age of 66.



Story from BBC NEWS:
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Published: 2006/07/08 13:24:53 GMT

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[Kapitan]

Its her life we cannot choose for her, its like my girl friend she is 16 if she wants a baby right now i would give her one but you think her mother and father would want that?

[Drebbel]

my girl friend she is 16 if she wants a baby right now i would give her one

Why would you give her one ?

[Fish]

You should expect a more adult behaviour from a inteligent woman.
Realy selfish. :down:

[Kapitan]

Why would i give her one, because she made that choice if she wants to be a mother (i know she does) then well i would give her a baby because she wants it, i love her enough to do that for her.

However we have sat down and discussed it, and we both do agree we are not ready, but if she did say ive realy thought about it and speaks to me and at the end i think yeah ok maybe she realy does want this, then i would.

Love is a strange and powerful thing, her pearents dont like me even though this would give them something else to fire at me id still do it!

[Rockstar]

Why would i give her one, because she made that choice if she wants to be a mother (i know she does) then well i would give her a baby because she wants it, i love her enough to do that for her.

However we have sat down and discussed it, and we both do agree we are not ready, but if she did say ive realy thought about it and speaks to me and at the end i think yeah ok maybe she realy does want this, then i would.

Love is a strange and powerful thing, her pearents dont like me even though this would give them something else to fire at me id still do it!

and that makes you the FATHER of this child which burdens you with a greatest responsibility of all are you prepared to offer that child and mother a home, food, medical care, security, a proper education, love, hope, direction in life an opportunity for higher education, medical, home and car insurance, are you prepared to share in the responsibility of raising this child? This doesn't come free you know and I don't think a job as fry chef or a Wal-Mart greeter will cover these costs.

Yes love is strange but lets not forget about dedication and responsibility that comes with it. Are you even married yet? If you can't accept the responsibilty of husband you sure are as sky is blue not ready to be a father or her a mother.

Youthful lust

[bradclark1]

62. The average lifespan for a female is 75. Men are 72 I think. That means there is a good probability her child will be an orphan at age 13. I'd call that a little bit more than selfish. And this women is a psychiatrist? Sounds like she needs one.
I should refer her to mine. :D

[Kapitan]

I have a home fit for mother and child to live, my grandmother owns it the ortgauge was paid off back in 1961 so there is not worries about huge mortgauge bills.

i work as a dustman im on £9.85 per hour (average for a person my age is just £5.10) i cash in almost as much as my father in one week he is a heavy plant engineer.

we buy food we put money ina kitty each week normaly for a our family its 20 per week i know i could put £40 to £50 a week in there i pay my grandmother rent £25 a week so ive got a good deal here.

and yes id take on the mother and child the responcibility and everything else because id realy like to be a father.

as for medicle care we have the NHS so we dont pay for any treatment well nearly anyways thats why i pay national insurance.

i also have saving's and with work as it is i dont think my child would loose out on anything.

[Rockstar]

I have a home fit for mother and child to live, my grandmother owns it the ortgauge was paid off back in 1961 so there is not worries about huge mortgauge bills.

i work as a dustman im on £9.85 per hour (average for a person my age is just £5.10) i cash in almost as much as my father in one week he is a heavy plant engineer.

we buy food we put money ina kitty each week normaly for a our family its 20 per week i know i could put £40 to £50 a week in there i pay my grandmother rent £25 a week so ive got a good deal here.

and yes id take on the mother and child the responcibility and everything else because id realy like to be a father.

as for medicle care we have the NHS so we dont pay for any treatment well nearly anyways thats why i pay national insurance.

i also have saving's and with work as it is i dont think my child would loose out on anything.

One is 16 years old and you just turned 18? I'll tell ya who is gonne lose out here, YOU ARE. Have either of you left your neigborhood since you were born? There is a tremendous amount things to see and experience to gain yet. My wife and I married late in life but before we even knew each other exisited we saw so much. She a cruiser traveling the world. I went on two artic expeditions before was 19 after that I was getting a tan island hoping in the Caribbean. Marriage or children were the last thing on my mind back then. Now I'm 44 with a 16 year old daughter :damn: and if I saw the likes of you hanging around her I would shoot you on sight then beat the snot out of ya before you hit the ground.

Stay young go find an adventure.

[scandium]

The life expectancy for a woman in the UK is 80, meaning that by the law of averages the mother should live at least long enough for the child to reach adulthood. Also, the fact that she's able to give birth at 62, even with IVF, suggests that she's healthier than average and will probably live longer.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. There are so many unwanted babies born to much younger parents growing up in broken homes and foster homes that, given the risks this woman took to her own health and that she's already successfully raised 3 previous children (meaning the baby has many older siblings if something does happen to the mother), then I say good for her. Its not like our birth rate is so high here in the West that we couldn't use more babies born to UK families. :up:

[snowsub]

I maybe see a problem when in her mid 70's her child will be going though adolescence and the mother's ability to cope.
"you don't understand" well no shyt, she's got 60 years difference

[SUBMAN1]

I'm not even going to read the whole thing - To me this is just irresponsible and plain selfish. No other way to say it. Should be banned.

-S

[scandium]

I'm beginning to really think some people would be happier in Communist China. Don't like a married 62 year old woman giving birth and think it should be banned? You'll be pleased to discover in China they already place very strict restrictions on who can and cannot have children.

Don't think people should be able to practice Islam and believe it should be banned as well (to borrow from other threads)? You'll be quite happy to discover that in China they place very tight restrictions on religion and Worship.

Hey, its not like our police don't have enough to do already or that we can't pack a few more otherwise law abiding people into prison.

[Yahoshua]

The woman made a choice. It is legal. We are here in the U.S. She is there in the U.K. UNless anyone here feels like buying a subway ticket or plane ticket to go to her front door and tell her she is wrong for having that child, please do so now.

Otherwise, our opinions are full of hot air in this matter and doesn't make a damn bit of difference (especially since it is a private matter that didn't need to be broadcasted all over the media).

If she can raise the child adequately. Good for her, it's one less person that could end up on welfare. If not, let her brothers or sisters take her in and raise her.

[SUBMAN1]

I'm beginning to really think some people would be happier in Communist China. Don't like a married 62 year old woman giving birth and think it should be banned? You'll be pleased to discover in China they already place very strict restrictions on who can and cannot have children.

Don't think people should be able to practice Islam and believe it should be banned as well (to borrow from other threads)? You'll be quite happy to discover that in China they place very tight restrictions on religion and Worship.

Hey, its not like our police don't have enough to do already or that we can't pack a few more otherwise law abiding people into prison.

You are sick to think that is OK. A child that will grow up without his or her parents (They could die tomorrow at their age). I am guessing you are a bit younger by these statments. This is not about the 62 year old lady, this is about your future childs well being and something that is an artificial birth, not something that is natural.

China has many moral policies, but they are not a free society. It is no way of a comparrison to the western world and the only reason you bring it is purely to stir the pot and nothing more.

-S

PS. One more thing - this is one more example of why our societies are going downhill. The shift in attitudes to a me here now vs a strong attitude for the future generations. It is 'a' typical of declining societies as found throughout history.

[JJ]

Ok folks, what do you think is this is right?


Briton becomes new mother at 62
The parents have nicknamed their son JJ
A 62-year-old child psychiatrist has become the oldest woman in Britain to have a baby.
Patricia Rashbrook of Lewes, East Sussex, and her 6lb 10oz boy, nicknamed JJ, were said to be doing well by her husband John Farrant, 60.
Critics said it was selfish to have a baby at their age, but they said they were confident of meeting his needs. They travelled to the former Soviet Union to get fertility treatment from Italian doctor Severino Antinori.



Well I'm glad I'm doing fine

:lol:

[scandium]

You are sick to think that is OK. A child that will grow up without his or her parents (They could die tomorrow at their age). I am guessing you are a bit younger by these statments. This is not about the 62 year old lady, this is about your future childs well being and something that is an artificial birth, not something that is natural.

China has many moral policies, but they are not a free society. It is no way of a comparrison to the western world and the only reason you bring it is purely to stir the pot and nothing more.

-S

PS. One more thing - this is one more example of why our societies are going downhill. The shift in attitudes to a me here now vs a strong attitude for the future generations. It is 'a' typical of declining societies as found throughout history.
Actually I am not "trying to stir the pot", I am simply stating what I think and if that stirs the pot so be it. None of us know anything about this lady, yet so many are so quick to condemn her. Also it is not possible to predict the future, and accidents and many forms of disease don't discriminate based upon age, and many children are brought into this world under worse circumstances than by a married couple that has already successfully raised 3 other kids.

Of the many, many things we routinely do that really are selfish I just don't see this as being one of them, or as being anyone else's business for that matter.

Edit: And as to the "not natural remark" - so what? Would you turn away an organ transplant if you needed it to live because it is "not natural"? Do you live in the wilderness or a Mormon commune? Because, I'm telling you, there is very little that is natural about modern day life from the additives added to the food we eat and the genetic modification it undergoes, to the extraordinary means physicians adopt in combatting the abuse we subject our bodies to and postponing our deaths well beyond anything once considered natural.

[Kapitan]

"One is 16 years old and you just turned 18? I'll tell ya who is gonne lose out here, YOU ARE. Have either of you left your neigborhood since you were born? There is a tremendous amount things to see and experience to gain yet. My wife and I married late in life but before we even knew each other exisited we saw so much. She a cruiser traveling the world. I went on two artic expeditions before was 19 after that I was getting a tan island hoping in the Caribbean. Marriage or children were the last thing on my mind back then. Now I'm 44 with a 16 year old daughter :damn: and if I saw the likes of you hanging around her I would shoot you on sight then beat the snot out of ya before you hit the ground.

Stay young go find an adventure. "


So far ive been to at least 33 countries on 3 continants so does that count as leaving my nieghborhood?

And also do you realy think me and my girl want a child right now? there has been points when she has said give me a baby but once we spoken about it she changed her mind, she doesnt want to be pregnant at 16 and i dont want that either, our plans are for the future not right now, but if she sinsearly ment it then maybe i would consider.

As for beeting the snot out of me when and where :D

[TteFAboB]

She knows JJ will not be with her for more than 26 years like her first son, and she made the decision anyway, if JJ understands this he'll have no problem growing up with the roles of mother and father played by the non-biological parents. Though the brothers could probably take care of JJ, a brother is not a fatherly figure, it would be good to know about the rest of the parent's family, uncles, aunts, cousins.

She's responsable for her decision and if JJ can't deal with it rest assured she will receive the worst punishment a loving mother can get: rejection.

[STEED]

I think this mother was selfish, she has got two children already and not forgetting all the benefits she will now get.

:down: :down: :down:

[bradclark1]

I'm fifty now and I have 3 children and my youngest will do her senior year for a bachelors in biology starting in September. I am done with having kids. If someone said "Raise another kid or jump off a twenty story building" I would jump in a heartbeat. :yep:
That lady is mentally impaired! Has to be. :doh:

[kiwi_2005]

You mean they still boogie in bed at that age? :doh: :p

I got 3 boys 14, 21, & 22. The eldest ive never seen since birth. All i know is he was the first to become a dad out of the boys, never seen my first grandson, but my 2nd eldest son has a son so thats ok i see him all the time. For his birthday last month i brought him a toy submarine one of those ones you play with in the bath. When hes 6 or 7 i'll introduce him to Silent hunter games and when hes 10 i'll take him on his first pig hunt. :D

[STEED]

You mean they still boogie in bed at that age? :doh: :p

Nothing wrong with that as long it's just boogie and not trying for a baby. :roll: