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SUBMAN1
06-21-06, 01:24 PM
MMMMmmmm! Yummm!


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By Lakshmi Sandhanahttp://ly.lygo.com/ly/wired/shared/images/common/icon_story_send.gif (http://www.subsim.com/support/feedback.html?headline=Test%20Tube%20Meat%20Nears% 20Dinner%20Table&story_id=71201&section_path=/technology&ftype=feedback&msg_type=1&aid=1432)| http://ly.lygo.com/ly/wired/shared/images/common/icon_story_morepgs.gifAlso (http://www.subsim.com/storylist/1432-0-0.html) by this reporter
02:00 AM Jun, 21, 2006
What if the next burger you ate was created in a warm, nutrient-enriched soup swirling within a bioreactor?

Edible, lab-grown ground chuck that smells and tastes just like the real thing might take a place next to Quorn (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,51842,00.html) at supermarkets in just a few years, thanks to some determined meat researchers. Scientists routinely grow small quantities of muscle cells in petri dishes for experiments, but now for the first time a concentrated effort is under way to mass-produce meat in this manner.

Henk Haagsman, a professor of meat sciences at Utrecht University, and his Dutch colleagues are working on growing artificial pork meat out of pig stem cells. They hope to grow a form of minced meat suitable for burgers, sausages and pizza toppings within the next few years.

Currently involved in identifying the type of stem cells that will multiply the most to create larger quantities of meat within a bioreactor, the team hopes to have concrete results by 2009. The 2 million euro ($2.5 million) Dutch-government-funded project began in April 2005. The work is one arm of a worldwide research effort focused on growing meat from cell cultures on an industrial scale.

"All of the technology exists today to make ground meat products in vitro," says Paul Kosnik (http://www.tissuegenesis.com/Management.shtml), vice president of engineering at Tissue Genesis in Hawaii. Kosnik is growing scaffold-free, self-assembled muscle. "We believe the goal of a processed meat product is attainable in the next five years if funding is available and the R&D is pursued aggressively."

A single cell could theoretically produce enough meat to feed the world's population for a year. But the challenge lies in figuring out how to grow it on a large scale. Jason Matheny, a University of Maryland (http://www.newsdesk.umd.edu/index.cfm) doctoral student and a director of New Harvest (http://www.new-harvest.org/default.php), a nonprofit organization that funds research on in vitro meat, believes the easiest way to create edible tissue is to grow "meat sheets," which are layers of animal muscle and fat cells stretched out over large flat sheets made of either edible or removable material. The meat can then be ground up or stacked or rolled to get a thicker cut.

"You'd need a bunch of industrial-size bioreactors," says Matheny. "One to produce the growth media, one to produce cells, and one that produces the meat sheets. The whole operation could be under one roof."

The advantage, he says, is you avoid the inefficiencies and bottlenecks of conventional meat production. No more feed grain production and processing, breeders, hatcheries, grow-out, slaughter or processing facilities.

"To produce the meat we eat now, 75 (percent) to 95 percent of what we feed an animal is lost because of metabolism and inedible structures like skeleton or neurological tissue," says Matheny. "With cultured meat, there's no body to support; you're only building the meat that eventually gets eaten."

The sheets would be less than 1 mm thick and take a few weeks to grow. But the real issue is the expense. If cultivated with nutrient solutions that are currently used for biomedical applications, the cost of producing one pound of in vitro meat runs anywhere from $1,000 to $10,000.

Matheny believes in vitro meat can compete with conventional meat by using nutrients from plant or fungal sources, which could bring the cost down to about $1 per pound.
If successful, artificially grown meat could be tailored to be far healthier than any type of farm-grown meat. It's possible to stuff if full of heart-friendly omega-3 fatty acids, adjust the protein or texture to suit individual taste preferences and screen it for food-borne diseases.

But will it really catch on? The Food and Drug Administration has already barred (http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00968.html) food products involving cloned animals from the market until their safety has been tested. There's also the yuck factor.

"Cultured meat isn't natural, but neither is yogurt," says Matheny. "And neither, for that matter, is most of the meat we eat. Cramming 10,000 chickens in a metal shed and dosing them full of antibiotics isn't natural. I view cultured meat like hydroponic vegetables. The end product is the same, but the process used to make it is different. Consumers accept hydroponic vegetables. Would they accept hydroponic meat?"

Taste is another unknown variable. Real meat is more than just cells; it has blood vessels, connective tissue, fat, etc. To get a similar arrangement of cells, lab-grown meat will have to be exercised and stretched the way a real live animal's flesh would.
Kosnik is working on a way to create muscle grown without scaffolds by culturing the right combination of cells in a 3-D environment with mechanical anchors so that the cells develop into long fibers similar to real muscle.

The technology to grow a juicy steak, however, is still a decade or so away. No one has yet figured out how to grow blood vessels within tissue.
"In the meantime, we can use existing technologies to satisfy the demand for ground meat, which is about half of the meat we eat (and a $127 billion global market)," says Matheny.

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CB..
06-21-06, 02:54 PM
Soylent green is people Soylent green is peeeeeeooooople:doh:

Yahoshua
06-21-06, 03:02 PM
"Cultured meat isn't natural, but neither is yogurt"

This statement is just flat out WRONG. Yogurt is made from a cultured and aged milk, similar to the process of making cheese. And Hydroponics is a world apart from cultured meat. Vegetables naturally grow out of the ground. Hydroponics are an effort to do a better job of growing these plants using different methods to do so. However, meat doesn't simply grow out of the soil. It comes from a living oganism.

Potentially, this whole thing of growing cultured meat could also bring up a crowd that would be anti-farmer. A boon for domestic farmers of any nation.

STEED
06-21-06, 04:05 PM
Soylent green is people Soylent green is people:doh:

:rotfl:

The Scoops are coming
We have run out of soylent green:damn:

XabbaRus
06-21-06, 04:25 PM
That is just wrong. I love technology but I just feel it is going a bit too far. Maybe I have read too much sci-fi but I reckon it's going to come back and bite use in the arse big time.

I wonder how we would cope if the lights went out tomorrow?

That would be an interesting experiment, pull the plug one night with no warning. Only essential services, ie Hospitals and critical data records would keep power. but the rest...hmmm, would FU the economy a little, but only a short stoppage, about 12 hours...Then again I am a sick bstard sometimes.

The Avon Lady
06-22-06, 02:17 AM
Is it kosher? :hmm:

joea
06-22-06, 03:07 AM
Will never eat that. :nope:

STEED
06-22-06, 04:33 AM
I wonder how we would cope if the lights went out tomorrow?

Crap your self would be high up on the list. :p

Spoon 11th
06-22-06, 04:43 AM
This is the best thing ever. It will free up huge spaces of land for other uses and the nutritional quality of meat can be manufactured to be far superior compared to the traditional method. Bye bye mad cow risk.

Khayman
06-22-06, 05:06 AM
No fat? Fat is flavour! No blood, so no black puddings? Anyway who'd have a burger without blood and juices oozing out. Plus any decent burger has to contain fat or it's dry and tasteless. It'll end up being so full of additives to make it taste "real" that it will be unhealthier than the real thing.

CB..
06-22-06, 05:32 AM
I wonder how we would cope if the lights went out tomorrow?

Crap your self would be high up on the list. :p:up:

Soylent Green had that one covered too..the old push bike generator in the living room trick--Go.. Edward G Robinson... go...

reckon Old science fiction stories should be compulsory reading in all schools -

reckon they ought to genitically create some sort of life form that strips the carbon out of the atmopshere and turns it into healthy oxygen...that might help prevent the agricultural land being gradually turned into barren desert or arctic wasteland--

oh hang on ...we could allways just enforce the planting of huge tracts of forests..nah not fancy enough-far too liberal and wishy washy that concretely reliable soloution..-the human race is fixated on technology when the answer is often just to do the obvious and easy thing--it really is
scary..

STEED
06-22-06, 06:00 AM
The world of Soylent Green is coming, yummy:p

CB..
06-22-06, 06:04 AM
:damn: Fingers crossed we don't end up with "the Omega man" instead!!!

STEED
06-22-06, 06:11 AM
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WHAT A GREAT OPENING (THE OMEGA MAN) HAD. :rock:

CB..
06-22-06, 06:21 AM
:up: :up: :yep:
Soylent green and the Omega man are two of my all time favourite movies...hotly persued by the original version of Rollerball!!
the final close up of James Caan's face in Rollerball is unforgettable

magnificent visions of an all to possible future
(some might say present)

THX1138 is another one..the scenes showing huge vis screen in folks apartments constantly showing a chromed robot policeman clubbing an old lady to death reminds me so strongly of channel 4's "Big Brother" series that i cannot bring my self to watch BB at all ...thank goodness..

STEED
06-22-06, 06:27 AM
CB..

You got good taste in films, I also like all those you mention in your post. http://www.langkawi.dk/midis/176.gif

Khayman
06-22-06, 06:31 AM
WHAT A GREAT OPENING (THE OMEGA MAN) HAD. :rock:

True classic. I watch it whenever it's repeated, but then I'm a sucker for end of the world movies and books (like John Wyndham's "The Kraken Wakes" and "The Day of the Triffids")

I wouldn't actually mind trying Soylent Green. I've read about the Greely and the Franklin expeditions, plus that plane that crashed. It's not fair that they can eat people and I can't.

Yahoshua
06-22-06, 10:34 AM
Bye bye mad cow risk.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with industry practices, but the Mad Cow disease is OUR fault. We keep feeding the cattle ground-up sheep and bone-meal back to cattle and sheep(it's a cost-saving initiative, but it flies in the face of natural process). I can understand using bone-meal and un-marketable meat in dog and cat food (both eat meat in some measure). But feeding meat to a herbivore is bound to cause problems somewhere down the line.

Here's an article about it: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=5008

And a book I reccomend reading is "Fast Food Nation." After reading that book I don't eat fast food anymore.

STEED
06-22-06, 03:45 PM
And a book I reccomend reading is "Fast Food Nation." After reading that book I don't eat fast food anymore.

I sight and smell of fast food makes me sick, fast food is unfit for animals as far as I am concerned. :smug:

Yahoshua
06-23-06, 07:29 PM
I still reccomend that you read the book, and then tell someone else to read it....still sends shivers down my spine.