ATI driver control centre

[Skybird]

This software is new to me, I always had nVidia before.

I run my screen at gamma 1.3, else it is too dark. However, whenever I leave a running software, a sim, whatever, the desktop is reset to dark gamma 1.0. when I open the control centre, the setting still is 1.3, when I click to reduce or increase it, the screen immediately jumps to a much brighrer setting, like it should be. And way to make that once set value of 1.3 everlasting?

I also cannot see the description of the key shortcut function, as described in the help file, matching what it really does when trying it. The only keyboard command present is the one to start the cointrol centre. I fail to manage to enter new keyboard shortcuts, for example to increase reduce gamma, AA and AF, these wopuld be the most interesting.

Finally I see that my system needs 50% longer time to boot, or shut down with the new ATI software. Returning to desktop after closinga running application also takes longer. I have deleted the former nVidia driver and cleaned the registry manually (not that there was much left).

At this point of time I must say that I do not like the ATI driver a bit, compared with nVidia, it's handling ergonomy is clearly inferior. that card gives good performance, but if the software stays that way, then I must regret to have changed to ATI.

Any help for the questions above, especially concerning the also returning-to-default gamma?

[Gizzmoe]

Don´t use the Catalyst Control Center, it´s a bloated POS. Get the Omegadriver (an optimized ATI driver). Less memory usage, faster boot times, more FPS:
http://www.omegadrivers.net/

Uninstall the CCC, then the driver, reboot, then install the Omegadriver. It uses the "ATI Tray Tool", a very good configuration software.

[Marcantilan]

I´m with Gizz.

Use the Omega drivers

[Skybird]

Doing that now.

[Skybird]

Verdammter Mist.

I deinstalled the ATI driver, and used the deinstallation tool, then cleaned the registry via cclean, then defragged, then rebooted a second time. Then installed the Omage driver, which interrupted the installation for it was not able to find a file that it needed. I had to manualy guide it to the ATI CD (which I did not use before since I had downloaded the latest Catalyst). After long effort, and pausing, and hesitating, the thing was installed,. followed by a hardware assistent m,essage that a hardware had been detected for which a driver does not exist: the Radeon card. Nevertheless, the control panel for the Omega/ATI software worked, I was able to reset resolution and gamma, and enter hotkeys for increasing/decreasing gamma, and enabled use of these (two separate options need to be set, I think). result of this tamtam:

The hotkeys do not work.
The gamma is always reset to 1.0 when leaving a running software applicatiojn, although both application and deskop options have been adjusted and saved (profile) to 1.3

The change to the Omega driver hasn'T corrected anything, but was a pain to install.

I deeply regret to have gone ATI. ATI, whenever I asked, had been marked as "bad software, bad drivers". I have been with nVidia since my first PC, and enver had a singlke problem with drivers, and their handling ergonomy.

I probably ask the store tomorrow to take it back and change it for an nVidia card. Which will cost me even more money. Hardware performance seem to be good, but the handling of the software just is too bad.
:down: :nope: :arrgh!:

P.S. the hardware manager also list a hardware conflict for video streaming device (which I never had before, both the device and the problem). Don't even know what kind of driver this thing just needs. Just the tip on the cake.

[SUBMAN1]

The newer control center does not use the RAM like the old one did. You guys might take another look at it. I run it fine now - total resource usage is only about 3 MB.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Verdammter Mist.

I deinstalled the ATI driver, and used the deinstallation tool, then cleaned the registry via cclean, then defragged, then rebooted a second time. Then installed the Omage driver, which interrupted the installation for it was not able to find a file that it needed. I had to manualy guide it to the ATI CD (which I did not use before since I had downloaded the latest Catalyst). After long effort, and pausing, and hesitating, the thing was installed,. followed by a hardware assistent m,essage that a hardware had been detected for which a driver does not exist: the Radeon card. Nevertheless, the control panel for the Omega/ATI software worked, I was able to reset resolution and gamma, and enter hotkeys for increasing/decreasing gamma, and enabled use of these (two separate options need to be set, I think). result of this tamtam:

The hotkeys do not work.
The gamma is always reset to 1.0 when leaving a running software applicatiojn, although both application and deskop options have been adjusted and saved (profile) to 1.3

The change to the Omega driver hasn'T corrected anything, but was a pain to install.

I deeply regret to have gone ATI. ATI, whenever I asked, had been marked as "bad software, bad drivers". I have been with nVidia since my first PC, and enver had a singlke problem with drivers, and their handling ergonomy.

I probably ask the store tomorrow to take it back and change it for an nVidia card. Which will cost me even more money. Hardware performance seem to be good, but the handling of the software just is too bad.
:down: :nope: :arrgh!:

P.S. the hardware manager also list a hardware conflict for video streaming device (which I never had before, both the device and the problem). Don't even know what kind of driver this thing just needs. Just the tip on the cake.

Why are you even bothering with the drivers on the CD????

Download the ones on ATI's website - www.ati.com

-S

[Skybird]

I have had the latest Catalyst and the latest Omega. Both take long to start when starting the centre, both hinder the booting (and shutting down) process of the system.

On the AVStream error, I googled and found that many people suffer from that problem. A lot of wellmeant advise, but I found no one reporting that it had solved the problem for him. "Mist". I deactivate the whole device in hardware manager and pray that I will never need it and nothing bad will come from it.

[SUBMAN1]

By the way - I've never had a problem with the latest drivers not saving their settings. Are you doing something weird?

-S

[Skybird]

Why are you even bothering with the drivers on the CD????

Download the ones on ATI's website - www.ati.com (http://www.ati.com)

-S

I never have installed the CD. I have downloaded the latest catalyst. As I said, the second attemopt with the Omega demanded that certain file that was not included with the download. It only was to be found on the CD.

Both the catalysts and the omega do not store gamma settings properly. Since it takes so long until he control centre is started, and several clicks until I have selcted the correct profile again, it is a real pain to restore the original gamma after I have returned to desktop. Compare with nVidia: rightclick on icon in taskbar, leftclick on the saved profile, and one second later you're done. Now I need 20-30 seconds to set gamma 1.3. Every time I leave a game.

[SUBMAN1]

I have had the latest Catalyst and the latest Omega. Both take long to start when starting the centre, both hinder the booting (and shutting down) process of the system.

On the AVStream error, I googled and found that many people suffer from that problem. A lot of wellmeant advise, but I found no one reporting that it had solved the problem for him. "Mist". I deactivate the whole device in hardware manager and pray that I will never need it and nothing bad will come from it.

Deactivating it won't hurt it. Only load it when you want to use it. I do that at work - I don't have it load up, but at home, it doesn't slow my system down on loading so I never bothered.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Why are you even bothering with the drivers on the CD????

Download the ones on ATI's website - www.ati.com (http://www.ati.com)

-S
I never have installed the CD. I have downloaded the latest catalyst. As I said, the second attemopt with the Omega demanded that certain file that was not included with the download. It only was to be found on the CD.

Ahh - the Omegas - yeah - I quit using those when ATI made drivers for MCE. Before I had to use the Omega drivers to make it work with MCE. I never did like the 3rd party drivers.

-S

[Skybird]

By the way - I've never had a problem with the latest drivers not saving their settings. Are you doing something weird?

-S
no. I followed the help file to the smallest letter when I became aware of the problem.

The hotkey option also does not work, althoiugh I enabled it with a tick-box, and some other setting in another menu where it was mentioned that this option needs to beactiove, too, to aloow hotkeys. They do not work.

[Skybird]

Why are you even bothering with the drivers on the CD????

Download the ones on ATI's website - www.ati.com (http://www.ati.com)

-S
I never have installed the CD. I have downloaded the latest catalyst. As I said, the second attemopt with the Omega demanded that certain file that was not included with the download. It only was to be found on the CD.

Ahh - the Omegas - yeah - I quit using those when ATI made drivers for MCE. Before I had to use the Omega drivers to make it work with MCE. I never did like the 3rd party drivers.

-S

I tried both. And both behaved the same, and showed the same problem.

This crappy afternoon angers me, eight hours for just a simple graohics driver, ridiculous. Tomorrow I copy over a clean and new image partition from a backup drive, then install the ATI again, and see if it works or not. If it does not behave, the whole piece of crap goes back to the post office. the hardware may be good, or not, I cannot judge that reasonably currently, but the software is the worst I have had since several months, if not years. reminds me of the bad opinions about ATI years ago, or the driver chaos for earlier creative soundcards that also often were a pain.

[SUBMAN1]

By the way - I've never had a problem with the latest drivers not saving their settings. Are you doing something weird?

-S no. I followed the help file to the smallest letter when I became aware of the problem.

The hotkey option also does not work, althoiugh I enabled it with a tick-box, and some other setting in another menu where it was mentioned that this option needs to beactiove, too, to aloow hotkeys. They do not work.

I just did a test - I changed gamma settings and reloaded the system without starting the ATI Catalyst app - and it kept the gamma settings upon reboot. I did load up the catalyst app after that and it also was reporting my preselected settings. I wonder if you need to clean out the old NVidia drivers possibly? THey have been reported to cause problems when going to ATI sometimes.

-S

PS. I'll test the hotkeys now.

[SUBMAN1]

Just tested - kept my hotkeys too.

-S

[Skybird]

By the way - I've never had a problem with the latest drivers not saving their settings. Are you doing something weird?

-S no. I followed the help file to the smallest letter when I became aware of the problem.

The hotkey option also does not work, althoiugh I enabled it with a tick-box, and some other setting in another menu where it was mentioned that this option needs to beactiove, too, to aloow hotkeys. They do not work.

I just did a test - I changed gamma settings and reloaded the system without starting the ATI Catalyst app - and it kept the gamma settings upon reboot. I did load up the catalyst app after that and it also was reporting my preselected settings. I wonder if you need to clean out the old NVidia drivers possibly? THey have been reported to cause problems when going to ATI sometimes.

-S

PS. I'll test the hotkeys now.

My gamma is there when I reboot. It is gone whenever I leave an application.

nVidia driver was usually removed, then checked with deinstallation tool, manual registry scan, and registry scanner (like I always do when I updated the driver). No folder and no nothing left.

[Gizzmoe]

Then installed the Omage driver, which interrupted the installation for it was not able to find a file that it needed.
They forgot to include a file (atiicdxx.ini) in the latest release of the driver, but fixed that immediately. You´ve downloaded it from a site that still offers the old archive.

Here you can find the fixed archive:
http://www.3dacc.net/page.php?id=2326

I have had the latest Catalyst and the latest Omega. Both take long to start when starting the centre, both hinder the booting (and shutting down) process of the system.
You are still using the Catalyst Control Center? I said you need to remove it before you uninstall the original driver and before you install the Catalyst driver. The Cat driver doesn´t even support the Control Center IIRC. That would also explain why hotkeys and Gamma settings don´t work properly on your system.

The CCC requires .NET. When you start the CCC it takes a long time to load because it has to load .NET. Just don´t use it, the "ATI Tray Tool" that comes with the Omega driver is a thousand times better than the standard ATI panel. It supports everything the CCC does, plus a lot more.

When you´ve installed the Omega driver start the ATT (icon is on your desktop), after that it´s visible in your taskbar. Right-click the taskbar icon, go to Tools & Options -> General Options and select "Load with Windows". After you´ve changed the gamma settings (Video & Colors) don´t forget to save the profile and also click "Load selected profile at startup".

[Skybird]

I had deinstalled the ATI control panel when deinstalling the Catalyst.Seems it got reinstalled again. Seems that downloaded Omega maybe was worse than just having a missing file. Maybe during the episode when I had to enter the CD for that missing file.

I deinstall all and everything again, ATI, Cata, Ome, and try again.

"Having something that is missing...?" Hm...

[Skybird]

I deinstalled all omega software. Next I used driver cleaner. I then deleted the folders which got not deleted. I used registry cleaner, then checked the registry manually" for "radeon", "ati", "catalyst", "omega". I defragged, and rebooted after having downloaded the new (and complete omega package). ATI control centre was deinstalled for sure.

Installation took time. The missinfg file-message is no more, however, a device named ATI T200 unified AVStream driver does not get found, error code 10, device not working. Haven'T notcied anything on it, don't know what it is.Yellow exclamation mark in hardware manager. Google says plenty of people are suffering this symptom.

A new ATI control centre got installed, too, I checked the date in the property box, it was installed during the omega installation process. I did not touch it.

I changed screen resolution, settings and gamma, saved all that as my profile. I ticked the "enable hotkeys" box. I set up hotkeys for increasing/decreasing gamma, and loading my profile on the fly.

Hotkeys do not work.

rebooted. Monitor loads desktop with dark swettings, but then goes black (not part of the suual windows loading routine), then comes up with the new gamma settings. I have enabled the ATI Tray Tools to be loaded with windows at startup. It is there.

Jumped into a game, played a minute, return to desktop: Dark default settings again. Tray Tool is no more. Need to manually start it again. Hotkeys do not work, neither with nor without tray tools active.

tried to contact the mail store in order to negotiate a return and replacement with an nVidia board whose drivers since ten years haven't given me any trouble. Already closed for weekend, great. Googled again, with different search, found that I am not the only one having problems with messed up ATI software. Should have stayed with what has been proven reliable and good since over ten years for me, nVidia. Wanted to do that from the beginning - why, oh why haven't I? For what I have gotten, even 200 Euros is too much. Good hardware without reliable software is worth only the half.

[Gizzmoe]

Well, don´t blame ATI, you just had bad luck. There are millions of happy ATI customers, just like there are millions of happy Nvidia customers.

If you are interested we can troubleshoot some more...

[Skybird]

No, thanks, I appreciate your willingness to help, but an installation cannot be any cleaner than what I just did today, and I don't see what else could be done. I am very hesitent to use some weired tweaks on my system , you know, since in the early days on XP I had system reinstallations alomst every 4-6 weeks and am absolutely tired of this. So I am sure that it is not becasue of some exotic system configuration that I have. I have one basic and clean and reliable ground installation, and made an image of that to a separate HD, wheneever something went totally wrong, I copy back that image that is 100% troublefree, and I am done. Only working files and eventual driver and Windows updates, and games I bought meanwhile, need to be added. I love Acronis True Image! It's worth not 40 but 400 euros.I meanwhile have deinstalled it all again, cleaned the system and set up an nVidia driver and put in my old FX5900XT again. Everything perfect, everything stable and reliable again. Will avoid ATI in the future, since Google showed me that with exactly the same problems I am far from being alone. Hardware may be good, but judging by what I have seen their software still is inferior, as was the usual criticism years ago.

[SUBMAN1]

Sorry you had problems. From what I read, I think your gamma resetting is being done by the application, not by the drivers. The ATI software is just doing what it is told by the app.

-S

[fjgold1]

They forgot to include a file (atiicdxx.ini) in the latest release of the driver, but fixed that immediately. You´ve downloaded it from a site that still offers the old archive.

Here you can find the fixed archive:
http://www.3dacc.net/page.php?id=2326

Thank You Gizz for the info about the atiicdxx.ini file. I d/L'd the driver setup from
Omega's site and apparently the above file was indeed missing. Thankfully I had a
copy of the driver download from Acer for my machine. I was able to easilly point my Omega installer to the file located there. I can appreciate how someone less
experienced could have a problem with this. As of yesterday Omega still had "old"
download. Don't know how you came up with this but thanks again. I am not a gamer
but I do appreciate the fine control Omega's drivers give me over ATi's crappy programs.
BTW, I downloaded the above and used to reinstall after uninstall and worked
perfectly!!!