External Camera- a "poll"

[Ducimus]

TMI. Yes or no?


EDIT: DAMN this new forum layout, this was supposed to be a poll, and now i can't delete this mistake and start over. BAH.

Ok, so this will have to work without a poll like i wanted.

Do you think the External Camera gives too much info and makes the game alot easier?

Yes or no?

[Engel der Vernichtung]

No. In "reality", your ability to physically maneuver around the boat, and in general see things is not merely limited to what you can do in a computer game. Due to that limitation, I'll take the external camera, and use it. I pay the renown hit for it, so I figure I've earned the right to use it.

[Ducimus]

Im really ticked off i cant change my orginal post.

To answer my own question,

Do you think the External Camera gives too much info and makes the game alot easier?

Yes i do, but the eye candy is damn hard to give up :D

[CB..]

it's the F12 uber scope view that's the key to reducing difficulty with the external view enabled--just edit out the F12 capability and you have best of both worlds--

[CCIP]

Yes, but only if you want it to.

I'll admit that it probably took me a year to learn not to cheat with it. The trick is to play for a while with it disabled, and then bring it back in. By that time you'll be so used to playing without the camera that it won't even cross your mind to use it for anything other than some nice screenies to show for the action.

[Keelbuster]

Screencaps are necessary. period.

Kb

[U-Cass]

I've come back to playing after few months break. Trouble is I used to play with event disabled. I can't enable camera it's greyed out so can't check. Think i edited something to disable. Can't remember what. Any ideas.

[Highbury]

Yes i do, but the eye candy is damn hard to give up :D

I pay the renown hit for it, so I figure I've earned the right to use it.

:yep:

[Der Eisen-Wal]

I've never played with it on. I dont' really plan to, knowing that I blew it up is good enough for me. i dont' really care if people use it. to each their own.

[Seminole]

I use the external camera and feel no need to make apologies for doing so.

I use it for two reasons. First I really like the panoramic scenes it provides and second I hate wasting fuel and time chasing a ship for hours only to find it is a neutral.

[P_Funk]

I'll never give up the external camera for one reason: If I can't see my boat and it's prey from a cinematic view every now and then, then I won't be able to "live" Das Boot and isn't that really why we're really playing these games?

[CCIP]

I also have to qualify that my best career so far was the one where I had my external camera disabled (that's my Mohr career in WaW I). I spent my screenshot-making time on that one by writing logs instead. :hmm:

[snyperAL]

it is a good thing, without it the graphics would almost be unnoticable...

[CWorth]

it is a good thing, without it the graphics would almost be unnoticable...

Exactly,

Why have good looking graphics if you cant look at them from time to time.I also use the external camera for taking screenshots and just to look at the graphics as I play.

[U-Bones]

it is a good thing, without it the graphics would almost be unnoticable...
Exactly,

Why have good looking graphics if you cant look at them from time to time.I also use the external camera for taking screenshots and just to look at the graphics as I play.

I can not imagine playing without it, does that mean I have no imagination? :hmm:

[Threadfin]

Yes. I've used externals occasionally, but most of my patrols are done without externals. They provide too much advantage, especially in regards to destroyer/escort evasion.

Evading without externals is a very rewarding aspect of SH3 for me.

[Der Eisen-Wal]

Yes. I've used externals occasionally, but most of my patrols are done without externals. They provide too much advantage, especially in regards to destroyer/escort evasion.

Evading without externals is a very rewarding aspect of SH3 for me.

agreed. it gives an extra bit of thrill... and it's realistic. people in a real sub dont' know where it's going to come from, they just look at the hull and pray it doesn't explode.

[Sailor Steve]

Yes, it's unrealistic, and it's cheating, after a fashion. I lived without it in AOD and SHI.

Yes, the graphics are fantastic and you really need the external camera to fully enjoy what's going on, especially with the harbor traffic mods.

Yes, I use it, but I have trained myself not to peek when actually in action.

Oh yes I have.

I've come back to playing after few months break. Trouble is I used to play with event disabled. I can't enable camera it's greyed out so can't check. Think i edited something to disable. Can't remember what. Any ideas.
The event camera can be disabled from the Gameplay.cfg (I think). I also think it can be controlled from SH3 Commander, if you use that. You probably disabled it using one of those sources, which means it can't be accessed from the game's Realism screen. I'm probably wrong about the Gameplay file, but it's in there somewhere.

[Threadfin]

Other reasons why I think having no externals makes SH3 more challenging include identification. Much more difficult, and you don't instantly know if the target is armed.

All air contacts get treated the same. Dive. No > key to quickly check whether it's friendly. You can no longer watch your torpedos. No externals and event cam combined with manual targeting really is awesome. You set up your shot and fire. The timer ticks past, and no explosion. As you curse your miss the torpedos hit.

The phenomenon that occurs when looking at a silhouette also plays a part. It's often difficult to tell if a target is coming or going.

When I first started playing SH3 I used externals to gawk at everything too. But that novelty only lasts so long, and I eventually want to make things as challenging and realistic as possible. Playing without external views is certainly making ground in this regard. It's like a different sim.

[andy_311]

I do use it on occasions it got me out of some tight squeezes and old habits die hard.

[Grey Legion]

I have never used the external camera (F12) to cheat, funny never even thought of it..LOL

But I do use to enjoy the graphics of the game or to see how things when when I want to fool around (crash dive, hit bottom, blow ballasts...etc)

I enjoy the feature but enjoy the game so much more !!

[MENTAT]

Definitely it helps, and is an advantage...

but i can never quit that fancy eye candy though
(no matter i wanted to ;))

[fredbass]

Well of course it's cheating and yes I use it quite a bit. I'm still a noob at this game as well as being my first sub game, so at this point, I still find it necessary. As time moves along, I will adjust and try to be less dependent on certain things.

For me, the bottom line is having fun and not being realistic. But at the same time, I'm always wanting to make things more challenging as I improve. Plus I get more renown the less dependent I am.

[Phylacista]

I played without the external view some patrol. But only after recognising I am using it more often for ship identification and destroyer runs.
Ever tried to see a convoy miles away after hearing it on hydrophone? Picking up which line the T3 are? That can be fun but also irresistable cheating...

For now I think I can control myself, but I cannot play without. Have to take a screen from time to time - great thing to share a patrol in W@W - pics saying more than all those numbers and letters...

I've come back to playing after few months break. Trouble is I used to play with event disabled. I can't enable camera it's greyed out so can't check. Think i edited something to disable. Can't remember what. Any ideas.

Yep. Under Graphic Options in Sh3 main menu you can enable event camera. If you have not its greyed out. But thats the event camera not the F12 external view.

WAit. Is this thread about event camera? I have greyed out this too - on purpose. Nobody needs the event information when being attacked, when launching torpedoes when an enemy ship sinks. This was annoyance from start on. With F12, Backspace ,Del (NUM) the arrows and your mouse you have every freedom you need. And most important: CTRL+F11

[Mooncatt]

i usually do use the cam but only to watch the fireworks as my torp hits nothing else