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bill clarke
05-29-06, 04:20 AM
This is a copy of a thread in a forum on modelwarships website, thought I'd put it here for comment discussion. The first part deals with the desecration and the second gives a possible motive for it.

First.
One of our customers recently attended a university lecture by Dr. Eric Groves on the Jutland battle and the site today. Unfortunately, there are things now going on in the North Sea that should be of concern to all of us who honor the past. I quote from the e-mail I received:

"The wrecks are being systematically destroyed by Commercial (not British I may add) salvage companies for the non Ferrous metal. The bow of HMS Indefatigable has actually been blown up on the sea bed to split open the hull to gain access to the material inside. These ships are war graves for over a thousand men. The theme all day today at the University is what can be done on the Legal front to prevent this, There are enough ship modelers on this planet, who I believe would share my disgust at what is happening & maybe if we all shout together we may be heard. I have lost the link to SMML at the moment but as soon as I can get restored I am going to post my thoughts. There are a lot of good people on that mailing list."

There are a lot of good people on this board, too. Clearly, international law is being flouted. It would be nice if the RN could send a warship through the area regularly, but I suspect that's not a high priority at the MoD.

All the best,
John Snyder

Second
In the book 'The Great Scuttle', detailing the story of the scuttling of the High Seas Fleet in Scapa Flow, it is stated that there is value in the steel of ships sunk before 1945, that is, before the atmospheric atomic bomb explosions started. It says that metal created before that time is "pure" in terms of traces of radioactive elements that are now in the atmosphere, and enter the post-1945 produced steel during the production process.

Such pure, high quality steel finds uses in radioactive detectors and/or shielding applications. Some of the post-1945 salvaging of the High Seas fleet scuttled in Scapa Flow went to for such uses.

I do not know if the disturbance of the war graves now taking place is in any way connected to such an economic motive, but in such a case I wonder who the final recipients of the steel are.

I will contact the local GreenPeace office on this, to see if they may wish to follow up on it.

Your'e thoughts ladies and gents ?

lonehawknz
05-29-06, 04:53 AM
The navy would kick seven shades of sh*t out of anyone they caught doing this. It's a shame they can't monitor all the wrecks, although I did hear talk of mounting UW video cameras on some of the most important ones with the help of the RN dive teams a while back. I've no idea if they ever did it. Not sure how useful such a move would be as you'd be heavily dependent on visibility at any given time. Mind you, so are the salvage crews...

There was an article in Warships IFR a while back about some Indonesian firm trying to get near Prince Of Wales and Renown. They were chased off by HMS Grantham (IIRC?) who just happened to be nearby.

bill clarke
05-29-06, 05:06 AM
Hey Lonehawknz, loved your'e U-64 story. :up:

lonehawknz
05-29-06, 05:13 AM
Cool. Cheers mate. Glad you liked it! :D

Karl-Heinz Jaeger
05-29-06, 07:18 AM
I think the whole thing is an absolute disgrace. Sunken warships are registered gravesites and should not be disturbed, least of all for greed and profit. It's akin to digging up someones corpse just to steal their jewellery and the offenders should be keel hauled and then hung from the nearest yard arm.

I take it this is an illegal venture? I don't believe either the British or German governments would EVER give permission for wargraves to be disturbed in this fashion. Reminds me of the Mayan and Inca temples being taken apart stone by stone just for profit. Humanity sickens me once again.

Myxale
05-29-06, 11:35 AM
This is totally disgusting. Tearing apart sunken Ships, Battleships or U-boats for whatever reason is wrong on so many levels. Those places are graves for so many! So many died there and so many spirits are resting there. Distrubing those who deserve to rest in peace at last is a crime, and should be punished by Law!:nope:

STEED
05-29-06, 11:48 AM
A disgusting act by those who don't care shame on them for their actions. :nope:

CCIP
05-29-06, 01:20 PM
I've known my share of stories of illegal non-ferrous-metal salvagers and, yes, they're a nasty bunch who don't care for things like safety (I've known of incidents where they'd stolen from railways, endangering trains on the move). This is disgusting, too.

I hope the navy goes on patrol there and, should it catch them, treat them like the pirates they are :down:

Yahoshua
05-29-06, 09:10 PM
Real simple solution:

Put minefields around one wreck, and make 'em think they're around ALL the other ones.

Or just post destroyers and AWACS near the wrecks and utilize a life-fire "training" exercise on intruders.

lonehawknz
05-30-06, 11:43 AM
Hoho! If only the MOD had the funds for that!

Superb! :ping:

Cerberus
06-01-06, 07:53 PM
Hoho! If only the MOD had the funds for that!

Superb! :ping:

Quite.
In addition, they consider it not to be the best use of one of the 17 ships they've got left.

(or is it only 12 now?)