OT but I'm so stoked !!!!

[Deep Six]

OMG after endless tries I have actually got SILENT HUNTER(The very first) to work on my comp Windows XP SP2. And after playing a few of the single missions realised just how Bloody good the AI is on this game, pity it could not be ported over to SH3!!!

Oh yeah and this is SH v 1.31 with all the realism mods installed, I'm a very happy dude right now :up: :up: :up:


Deep Six

[Ducimus]

SH1, you mean .. like the one for DOS?

How'd you manage that? i still have that game, plus the expansions tucked away in a box. If SH1 has better AI then SH3, that is a crying shame. AI in this game sucks. I mean, it really sucks. May as well be playing an interactive screen saver.

[KL Seestern]

Yes, I got the original SH to run on my computer a couple of years ago, using information at this website: http://www.subsowespac.org/sh_xp/silent_hunterxp.shtml
Hope this helps anyone else who wants to do the same!

[Nippelspanner]

funny, i tried a old one to today -> Aces of the Deep!
i found the manual again and after a few pages i downloaded the DosBox and installed it... AOD works ok, but didnt managed it to get sound... anyway, its amazing what they managed to do back in 1994! the KI etc. is better as the one in SH3 too. thats embarresing, dont you think? graphic of SH3 with the features from AOD+SH1 = perfect subsim!

[Deep Six]

Yeppers the ORIGINAL dos game but unlike KL Seestern I have SP2 installed so I went to this page : http://www.subsowespac.org/silent-hunter-dosbox.shtml

Which also explains installing using Dos Box, but also using another free software called Defend to open the game, I found this method MUCH easier than just using Dos Box

And Yes AI from SH1+CAOD put SH3 to shame. :down:

Nippelspanner yes that is a problem installing CAOD with Dos Box is that you loose the sound, maybe if you google enough you might come up with a solution :up: :up:

[CybrSlydr]

What exactly makes the AI in those games so superior to SH3?

[Ducimus]

Havent played the older ones in years, but id hazzard a guess in saying that in those older the games, the AI acutally can find you for starters, and then goes after your ass with gusto!

In SH3, your biggest threat (if you want to call it that without modification to make them tougher) is aircraft.

[kiwi_2005]

SH1 :o :D Hell i enjoyed this i remeber the rescue missions of having to pick up pilots. I wonder if these type of missions are going to be in SH4 :hmm:

[John Channing]

Funny thing is that the most common complaint about SH11 was that the AI DD's could find you every time and kill you like you had a bullseye on your back.

Having spent some time on Projekt Messerwhatitsname I understand how they did it, but nevertheless, it was a royal pain knowing that once you were detected that was pretty much it.

Oh well...

JCC

[CybrSlydr]

I don't see what's so "vaunted" about the old AI.

I rather like SH3's AI. Cunning and skill can save your ass. Farther you go... the tougher it is.

[KL Seestern]

Yes, I can see both sides of the question ... sometimes in SHIII the escort vessels seem rather incompetent, but (as John Channing pointed out) 'knowing that once you were detected that was pretty much it' could get tiresome. Oh, for a middle ground ...

[VipertheSniper]

Funny thing is that the most common complaint about SH11 was that the AI DD's could find you every time and kill you like you had a bullseye on your back.


That's the biggest nonsense I've ever heard about SH1, I've played a whole carrier and never had troubles evading escorts that had already detected me. ON full realism, minus realistic depth data.

I've installed it currently at an older PC with Win98, and I've gone to Hitachi, one of the guards detected me, I turned my bow into his direction, ordered silent running and he lost me.

They are a bigger challenge than the escorts in SH3 really, but they aren't unbeatable.

[Gizzmoe]

That's the biggest nonsense I've ever heard about SH1

He was talking about SH2, not SH1.

[Nippelspanner]

i managed it to make AOD work with sound...wow its pretty cool to hear that again after so many years...

"smoke on the horizon captain!"

i will try to make a few screenies, there are some things which are very impressive! and those things show exactly why AOD is the best subsim of all times...

[The Noob]

funny, i tried a old one to today -> Aces of the Deep!
i found the manual again and after a few pages i downloaded the DosBox and installed it... AOD works ok, but didnt managed it to get sound... anyway, its amazing what they managed to do back in 1994! the KI etc. is better as the one in SH3 too. thats embarresing, dont you think? graphic of SH3 with the features from AOD+SH1 = perfect subsim!

Yup. I have Downloaded my Copy from someware, and i played it till i got SH3. With all the Trix AOD teached me (And wich didn't helped much in AOD) i could Fake the SH3 Destroyers to no end. They are just too Stupid... :nope: :down:

Today everyone just tries to get the best graphics and forgets the rest about it... :nope:

Und nochwas: Im englischen schreibt man es "AI" statt "KI". ;)

[HunterICX]

Omg...SH! the first...Now i remember that Subgame i played on my Really really really old Dos comp!

So after all these years it was my destiny to Return in SH3 ....wow :o

[CptGrayWolf]

i managed it to make AOD work with sound...wow its pretty cool to hear that again after so many years...

"smoke on the horizon captain!"

i will try to make a few screenies, there are some things which are very impressive! and those things show exactly why AOD is the best subsim of all times...

Yup! I've been playing AOD with dosbox for a few weeks now...that subsim rocks :rock:
This one is my favorite audio
" On the surface captain, now running on diesle engines. "

[Nippelspanner]

funny, i tried a old one to today -> Aces of the Deep!
i found the manual again and after a few pages i downloaded the DosBox and installed it... AOD works ok, but didnt managed it to get sound... anyway, its amazing what they managed to do back in 1994! the KI etc. is better as the one in SH3 too. thats embarresing, dont you think? graphic of SH3 with the features from AOD+SH1 = perfect subsim!

Yup. I have Downloaded my Copy from someware, and i played it till i got SH3. With all the Trix AOD teached me (And wich didn't helped much in AOD) i could Fake the SH3 Destroyers to no end. They are just too Stupid... :nope: :down:

Today everyone just tries to get the best graphics and forgets the rest about it... :nope:

Und nochwas: Im englischen schreibt man es "AI" statt "KI". ;)

AI, of course, oopsie :rotfl:

anyway, just started a AOD career today...and get sunk at the first patrol! damn. BDU said i shall patrol at AM32. after arriving and getting bored over there another sub send a message:

U42, BE3535, DESTROYERS, SINKING!

wow...shocking, because if you get a message in AOD you know it happens. few hours later i received another message, convoy sighted AMXXXX. after hours at AK my crew spotted smoke at the horizon (at 30.000! (meters i guess). it ws getting dark (perfect) and i tried to get into the heavy guarded (5 escorts in 39!) convoy from behind. just as i thought "ok, 1000m more and i will fire my torps..." a destryoer was heading towards me. dived to P-depth, firing 2 torps. 1 dud, 1 hit, but not sunk. destroyer is pinging me, set depth to 160m, silent running, ruder hard Bb to 350° 2nd destroyer coming my way, the first one drops a lot of well placed DC´s - scree´n is shaking, several damage reports of all kinds! (diesel damaged, pumps damaged, torphatches damaged etc. etc. not so boring like in SH3. and the repair of the diesel would take 47hours! (hours me and my crew dont have...).

my CE told me that he has trouble to maintain depth, so i get on 120m, the frst escort was turning, the second just arrived at the scene and drops DC´s too. well placed again, but no more damage at all. i took my eyes off the screen for maybe 20 seconds... after that i saw a black screen. huh, whats happened? a newspaper appeard - "Oberleutnant Kerber sunk!"

oopsie... :oops:

i wish the destroyers would kick a$$ like this in sh3 :nope:

[CptGrayWolf]

Well I don't want to compare destroyer AI, because I hear some people say SHIII AI is dumb and others that it's uber...

But I will tell you something that happaned to me last night in AOD.

I was in a Type II, spotted a convoy and reported it to Bdu.
Then slowly, one radio message after another, hour after hour different U-boats were reporting in!

The wolfpack was litterally gathering around this convoy.

I was out of torpedos so left the area, but then I heard distant explosions... I guess that was the wolfpack attacking! :rock:

[Sailor Steve]

"Bloody Good AI"? You mean the one that automatically sends the destroyers back to you any time you go to high Time Compression? The one that lets you stay at periscope depth and 'dogfight' with destroyers?

I love SHI, but let's not forget it's failings. AOD did indeed have wonderful AI, SHI no.

Another 'good' thing from SHI: chasing a lone tanker with your deck gun only to have your sub automatically start turning back because you had reached the edge of your patrol zone.

[CptGrayWolf]

Another 'good' thing from SHI: chasing a lone tanker with your deck gun only to have your sub automatically start turning back because you had reached the edge of your patrol zone.

Hey orders are orders sailor! :lol: