Is Israels F-16 on alert?

[mapuc]

It seems as it's only days now

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/21/iran.nuclear/index.html

Markus

[Abraham]

It seems as it's only days now

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/21/iran.nuclear/index.html
I read something different in that link. Olmert, who is visiting President Bush this week, said he hoped instead that "the responsible forces will take the necessary measures." He expressed confidence that Bush "will lead other nations in taking the necessary measures to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power."

Asked if Israel might take unilateral action against Iran, Olmert said, "I don't think that we have come close to even considering it."
Also I find that the "technology to produce nuclear weapons" is often confused with the "capacity to produce nuclear weapons". That's why there is still (some) time to look for a diplomatic solution.
Bush will probably want to finish this crisis as well and has still more than two years to do so...

[The Avon Lady]

Yesterme, yesteryou, yesterday (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2295792449224502914&q=raid+on+re).

[mapuc]

It seems as it's only days now

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/21/iran.nuclear/index.html
I read something different in that link. Olmert, who is visiting President Bush this week, said he hoped instead that "the responsible forces will take the necessary measures." He expressed confidence that Bush "will lead other nations in taking the necessary measures to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power."

Asked if Israel might take unilateral action against Iran, Olmert said, "I don't think that we have come close to even considering it."
Also I find that the "technology to produce nuclear weapons" is often confused with the "capacity to produce nuclear weapons". That's why there is still (some) time to look for a diplomatic solution.
Bush will probably want to finish this crisis as well and has still more than two years to do so...

But what if Olmert is right about irans neuclear and 3 or 4 month from now we se iran with their first neuclear-bomb. What then shall we wait untill then or?

Markus

[STEED]

There is to much miss information flying around on this subject take a step back and think about all the aspects to what is going on.

[CCIP]

Yesterme, yesteryou, yesterday (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2295792449224502914&q=raid+on+re).

:o

Thanks for the awesome link!

[GreyOctober]

Indeed, great documentary. I didnt know about that. Thank you m'am! :up:

[MadMike]

Hoo-rah! for the Heyl ha'Avir!
I was at Pease AFB, NH when a batch of F-16's being delivered to Israel (in Israeli camo and markings) were held up by Congress. You should have seen the turnout when they finally took off. Awesome.

Yours, Mike

[The Avon Lady]

I was at Pease AFB, NH when a batch of F-16's being delivered to Israel (in Israeli camo and markings) were held up by Congress.
Some things never change:
[u]Israel, US battling over sale of jets
By AP AND NATHAN GUTTMAN

Israel and the United States are battling over the sale of the next generation of warplanes, the F-35, with Israel considering canceling plans to purchase some 100 aircraft, IDF officials said Monday.

Israel is insisting it be allowed to upgrade the planes with its own technological warfare systems, as it has done with the F-15, the F-16 and the F-16-I, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the sides are trying to resolve the issue.

The United States has rejected Israel's request, at least partly because the Israeli systems are considered the best in the world and provide stiff competition to US companies, the officials said.

Israel was reinstated as a partner in the development of the F-35, also known as the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), after Israeli participation was put on hold following the Chinese arms deal crisis.

Israeli participation in JSF development was suspended as part of US sanctions against Israel following the Israeli agreement to upgrade Chinese 'Harpy' UAV's, which was done without prior consultation with the US.

Israeli defense industries expect to sign contracts worth tens of millions of dollars as part of the project. The JSF, also known as the F-35 fighter, is supposed to serve as the major aviation platform for all branches of US military and for many military forces around the world, replacing the F-15 and F-16 fighters.

[Abraham]

I hope all parties concerned learned from "The Lavi Experience" and wont let this become a cancer for US-Israeli relations...

[The Avon Lady]

I hope all parties concerned learned from "The Lavi Experience" and wont let this become a cancer for US-Israeli relations...
Israel has been constantly improving their F15s and F16s, way past the Lavi's demise.

[TLAM Strike]

I hope all parties concerned learned from "The Lavi Experience" and wont let this become a cancer for US-Israeli relations...
Israel has been constantly improving their F15s and F16s, way past the Lavi's demise. And their F-4 Phantoms and A-4 Skyhawks IIRC. :rock:

... if we attack Iran we might need to borrow some... (http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=507325#507325) :D

[Wim Libaers]

Strange topic title. Of course they're on alert! Even countries in Western Europe, without any hostile neighbours, keep fighters on alert just in case something strange happens that requires a quick response.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Yay, JSF for Israel! Then the Saudis will HAVE to have them. Good find on the documentary, AL.

PD

[mapuc]

Strange topic title. Of course they're on alert! Even countries in Western Europe, without any hostile neighbours, keep fighters on alert just in case something strange happens that requires a quick response.

Offcourse

In swden there's always 6(2+2+2) JAS-39 gripen on standby alert around our oblong country

But in this case, I ment, that more than 70 % of the Israels airforce is on high alert

Markus

[TLAM Strike]

Yay, JSF for Israel! Then the Saudis will HAVE to have them. The RSAF's next gen fighter is going to be the Eurofighter Typhoon. Although its possable that they would buy F/A-35s since they operate both F-15C/D/S and Panavia Tornado IDS/ADVs concurently.

[XabbaRus]

Sounds like Israels JSF woes aren't dissimilar to the UK's problems. UK wants the same rights. In fact that has gone quiet...

[The Avon Lady]

Yay, JSF for Israel! Then the Saudis will HAVE to have them.
But of course.

Maybe they'll get these (http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2481), too.

[Abraham]

Interesting link, Avon Lady...

[TLAM Strike]

Yay, JSF for Israel! Then the Saudis will HAVE to have them.
But of course.

Maybe they'll get these (http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2481), too. Can the F-15 Strike Eagle deploy this? Thats the only thing short of a C-130 (maybe a F-4 lighty loaded could take off with it) that eather Airforce has that comes close to being able to lift this thing. The MOP is designed to be droped from the B-52 and B-2 something that the IAF and RSAF lacks.

[VipertheSniper]

I know I'll get some flak for this, and I have to say that I don't want the nutters in Iran to have nuclear weapons,

BUT
I guess you all know what MAD means (in case you don't: Mutually Assured Destruction), and atm Isreal having nukes but no one else in the middle east, is giving them a carte blanche doing whatever they like in the region, I guess if Iran had nuclear weapons we'd see more stability down there, because I don't think anyone will be stupid enough to press the button.

And quite frankly I could understand the Iran if they're considering developing nuclear weapons. I'd too feel cornered if the US would first free Afghanistan, invade Iraq and then threaten me.

As someone in this thread put it, the ability to produce nuclear weapons doesn't mean having the capacity to do so.

[The Avon Lady]

atm Isreal having nukes but no one else in the middle east, is giving them a carte blanche doing whatever they like in the region,
Where exactly does my country get to do whatever it likes and that based on using a nuclear threat? This is giberish.
I guess if Iran had nuclear weapons we'd see more stability down there, because I don't think anyone will be stupid enough to press the button.
Thinking isn't equivalent to knowing (http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP32502) and this is 4 year old material.
And quite frankly I could understand the Iran if they're considering developing nuclear weapons. I'd too feel cornered if the US would first free Afghanistan, invade Iraq and then threaten me.
Why did the US invade Afghanistan?

Why did the US invade Iraq?

Who has been threatening whom for decades as "the great Satan"?
As someone in this thread put it, the ability to produce nuclear weapons doesn't mean having the capacity to do so.
Which doesn't mean they don't have the capacity.

The bottom line is that a war can be waged to fight against Ahmadinejad without nukes or with them.

[TteFAboB]

Ahmedinejad doesn't want nuclear weapons because Israel has them.

He wants a nuke to be able to destroy freedom.

In his letter to Bush he said Democracy failed to fulfill mankind's goals and yadda yadda and he has the better model.

Unless one wants to live under the superior Iranian regime, a fantastic model that it is, or already lives in a mental asylum, Iran must never be allowed a Nuke, untill it recognizes the right of the Other to exist, or in other words untill VipertheSniper is allowed to play Tennis with a crucifix on his neck, wearing shorts, in Teheran.

[VipertheSniper]

Why did the US invade Afghanistan?

To get Osama bin Laden, to fight a war on terror


Why did the US invade Iraq?


No one knows really. I'd say, oil in the first place tho, even Saddam said to his staff that they won't have any WMD's to use.
To fight the war on terror.


Who has been threatening whom for decades as "the great Satan"?


The religious leaders in Iran, the US or rather the western lifestyle.


The bottom line is that a war can be waged to fight against Ahmadinejad without nukes or with them.

Why would you want to fight him, because he's making hollow threats?

Why do you think they hate us so much?
Why do you think that terrorists are getting that much support?

Because they see us living in wealth, while they themselves have next to nothing. The suicide bombers are lured in with religion, and it's easy to lure them in, because they're desperate. Desperate because noone seems to hear them, or recognise their wishes. I know it's hard to recognise someones wishes through all the bombings, but I guess fighting a war on poverty would dry out the support for terrorists like Osama much quicker than trying to get all the terrorists.

It's like treating only the symptoms of a disease rather than the disease itself.

[The Avon Lady]

To get Osama bin Laden, to fight a war on terror
Well, you conveniently leave out a few details. Like Osama masterminding 9/11 and more and the Taliban protecting him and offering him any facilities he needs to train more terrorists.

This was not just a bounty hunt for one head.
No one knows really. I'd say, oil in the first place tho, even Saddam said to his staff that they won't have any WMD's to use.
To fight the war on terror.
If for oil, why isn't the US awash in it?:nope:

It was indeed for WMDs. Have any been found? Nope.:nope: So how do you explain the decision?

We've been through this here but read through this article (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp), quoting verbatim high ranking democrats and their opinions of Saddam and his WMDs. These quote go from pre-9/11 to post-war declaration against Iraq.

Assessing all the quotes, going to war was not far-fetched at all. So where's the mistake (besides the strategic military ones on how to handle this war and what should have been expected)?

Intelligence. Or more accurately, the lack of such. 9/11 was an intelligence failure. The assemssement of Hussein and his abilities was just the same. The CIA has since seen 2 of its headmen asked to leave.
The religious leaders in Iran, the US or rather the western lifestyle.
So, then, this would be Islam's intollerence of the infidel world. BTW, it is not limited to the west.
Why would you want to fight him, because he's making hollow threats?
Why is this (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20782_Ahmadinejad_to_Europe-_Support_Iranian_Nukes_or_Suffer_the_Consequences) hollow?

Movie suggestion: go to BlockBuster and rent Charlie Chaplin's "The Little Dictator". The world laughed back then, too.
Why do you think they hate us so much?
Why do you think that terrorists are getting that much support?
Because they see us living in wealth,
Jealously! Naughty us! Success is evil! Modernization and advancement are the forces of Satan!
while they themselves have next to nothing.
Can anyone dig up the total number of dollars that have flowed into OPEC country coffers over the last 50 years?
The suicide bombers are lured in with religion, and it's easy to lure them in, because they're desperate.
I see someone's been mesmerized by George Clooney's "Syrianna".

Please look up the backgrounds, educational and financial status of the 9/11 and London terrorists, for example. OBL has millions, if not billions. The PA received billions, nowhere to be found.
Desperate because noone seems to hear them, or recognise their wishes. I know it's hard to recognise someones wishes through all the bombings, but I guess fighting a war on poverty would dry out the support for terrorists like Osama much quicker than trying to get all the terrorists.
Read and wise up (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004806.php).
It's like treating only the symptoms of a disease rather than the disease itself.
All the jizyah in the world will not cure the disease that is Islam.

If you don't know what jizyah is, praise Allah for Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=jizyah&num=100&hl=en&lr=).

[VipertheSniper]

Islam a disease? Don't you think your painting here with a brush a tiny bit too wide?That's hatespeech, much like the hatespeech against Israel spouted by the likes of Ahmadinejad.I would have expected something more reasonable from you.I'll have a go on your other points later, atm I'm not at home.Watch this space

[The Avon Lady]

Islam a disease? Don't you think your painting here with a brush a tiny bit too wide?That's hatespeech, much like the hatespeech against Israel spouted by the likes of Ahmadinejad.
Skybird, wherever you are, can you please give me a link to one of your essays that responds to VTS' shock?

Stay tuned......................

[VipertheSniper]

Yes I am shocked, shocked by your attitude towards muslims... they should be tolerant and respect our way of life, but you just go and say that their religion is a disease. The majority of muslims isn't condoning the acts committed by those terrorists.Just a reminder... I'm praying to the same Lord as the Muslims, just like you do, he may have another name, but they're all the same, whether you're jewish, muslim or christian. So I guess we all have a disease?There have been committed many atrocities in the name of religion, so yeah I guess religion in general is some sort of disease, or was the religion just used to justify someones actions, when this someone just wanted to gain influence and might?I personnally don't think that there's one TRUE religion in this world, and the others are all wrong, or some are less right than others. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

[The Avon Lady]

Yes I am shocked, shocked by your attitude towards muslims...
Specifically Islam. There a potentially big difference.
they should be tolerant and respect our way of life, but you just go and say that their religion is a disease.
These 2 are not the same.
The majority of muslims isn't condoning the acts committed by those terrorists.
The ongoing mistake here is interchanging people who are Muslim and the religion called Islam and this is not semantics, I can assure you.

BTW, what is the percentage of Muslims that condemn all those terrorist acts you can imagine? What is the percentage that support them? Again, these 2 are not the same.
Just a reminder... I'm praying to the same Lord as the Muslims, just like you do, he may have another name, but they're all the same, whether you're jewish, muslim or christian.
This is mostly incorrect. Just for starters, you are aware that Islam does not view Jesus as a diety but rather as a human being selected by a monotheistic God to be a prophet? The Quran denies the crucifixion and resurection of Jesus.

As for Judaism, the G-d I pray to never sent anyone named Mohamed or Jesus for that matter to be prophets. In Judaism's view, they are false prophets and the scriptures associated with both religions are works of fiction.

But you mean well. I like the spirit. However, you will find that Islam will only begrudgingly acknowledge such a spirit and then only under conditions where you and I have been clearly subjugated as dhimmis. Of course, you do know what Dhimmitude is, don't you. Hint: Google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dhimmitude) - again.
So I guess we all have a disease?There have been committed many atrocities in the name of religion, so yeah I guess religion in general is some sort of disease, or was the religion just used to justify someones actions, when this someone just wanted to gain influence and might?I personnally don't think that there's one TRUE religion in this world, and the others are all wrong, or some are less right than others. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
I await Skybird.

[VipertheSniper]

So what would be the other branches of Muslims?? Apart from Islam?To those fundamentalists and fanatics it clearly does matter which religion is RIGHT, BUT does it matter for US?BTW, what is the percentage of Muslims that condemn all those terrorist acts you can imagine? What is the percentage that support them? Again, these 2 are not the same.I'm not sure I got what you wanted to say with that sentence? That 95% isn't the same as 5%?... (I've not looked up how many Islams condemn the acts of the terrorists, these are just random numbers)These 2 are not the same.I guess you're right, I should've written "or even" instead of "and"The ongoing mistake here is interchanging people who are Muslim and the religion called Islam and this is not semantics, I can assure you.Care to elaborate?And could please someone tell me how I get this forum to accept my text formatation?It all ever comes out as plain text.

[The Avon Lady]

So what would be the other branches of Muslims?? Apart from Islam?
In fact, one of the biggest problems is assigning them a unique name or identifying them. The problem is that many of these people, whom everyone piles together with a term called "moderate Muslims", are not adherants of any particular Islamic school or if they are, of a compromising, partial, liberal or reform version of Islam.
To those fundamentalists and fanatics it clearly does matter which religion is RIGHT, BUT does it matter for US?
I'm not sure I got what you just said but I'll give it a try.

As a reliable rule, every religion is exclusive of all other. There are absolute contradictions between the 3 major religions that cannot be reconciled.

But religious beliefs and religious tolerance are 2 completely different stories. I may dismiss the authenticity of religions not mine but I am under no religious doctinal obligation to view and treat people of other beliefs as if they were the scum of the earth. (There is one exception in the Torah. Anyone belonging to the nation of Amalek is subject to the death penalty. Please find me 1 confirmed Amalekite. I'm just itching for a fight).

The reason why Christians and Jews can mostly get along and certainly at least be tolerant of one another is because essentially the religions of Christianity and Judaism do not obligate their respective religionists to do otherwise.

Not so Islam. Have you read the Quran? How about the Hadith's, documenting lifetime experiences from Mohamed that serve the function of "do as I do and as I say"? It's all online for you to begin reading. Did you check on what "dhimmitude" and "jizya" are? What's dar al-Islam and dar al-harb? What do you (think you) know about Jihad?

So how come so many of us infidels (myself included at various points of my life), can indeed get along with many a Muslim? Usually one of 3 reasons fit:

1. Such persons do not abide by the absolute rules of the Quran or the spirit of its writings which describe what should be a Muslim's attitude towards non-Muslims.

2. They are practicing dawa. Google (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&q=da%27wa) is your friend.:yep:

3. As an extension of #2, above, Sha'aria is not yet in force in your next of the woods.
That 95% isn't the same as 5%?... (I've not looked up how many Islams condemn the acts of the terrorists, these are just random numbers)
Let's pretend and assume that we're talking about 5% of the almost 1.8 billion Muslims around the world. My calculator puts that at 90 million people. But let's leave the percentages for later. There a lot for you to argue on and investigate with everything else I've tossed your way so far.

Unfortunately today is not my day for free time. So if I don't respond again till tomorrow, my apologies.

[The Avon Lady]

The ongoing mistake here is interchanging people who are Muslim and the religion called Islam and this is not semantics, I can assure you.
Care to elaborate?
Simply not everyone who identifies themselves with a religion practice it in whole or even in part.

[Takeda Shingen]

There are absolute contradictions between the 3 major religions that cannot be reconciled.

I am always amused by Eurocentrism.

Religious Groups Ranked by Size (from adherents.com)

1. Christianity--2.1 billion
2. Islam--1.3 billion
3. Secular/agnostic/aethist/et. al.--1.1 billion
4. Hinduism--900 million
5. Buddhism--708 million
6. Primal Indiginous (blanket term for various native, non-industrial societies)--300 million
7. African Traditional/diasporic--100 million
8. Shintoism--69 million
9. Sikhism--23 million
10. Juche--19 million
11. Spiritism--15 million
12. Judaism--15 million
13. Falun Gong--10 million
14. Bahai Faith--7 million
15. Jainism--4.2 million
16. Cao Dai--4 million
17. Humanism--3 million
18. Zoroastrianism--2.6 million
19. Tenrikyo--2 million
20. Neopaganism--1 million
21. Unitarianism--800,000
22. Rasta--600,000

Perhaps you mean the three Judao-based faiths. Otherwise, since aetheism is technically the absence of religion, we would be talking about Christianity, Islam and Hinduism. What would Jesus say about Vishnu?

[TteFAboB]

Takeda, your source is incorrect.

Where are the Jedi?! And the Sith?! :down:

[Takeda Shingen]

My goodness! You're right! There are over 70,000 practicing 'Jediists' (Jediians? Jedifarians? Jediorastrians?) in Australia alone! How insensitive of me. I will update the list:

1. Christianity--2.1 billion
2. Islam--1.3 billion
3. Secular/agnostic/aethist/et. al.--1.1 billion
4. Hinduism--900 million
5. Buddhism--708 million
6. Primal Indiginous (blanket term for various native, non-industrial societies)--300 million
7. African Traditional/diasporic--100 million
8. Shintoism--69 million
9. Sikhism--23 million
10. Juche--19 million
11. Spiritism--15 million
12. Judaism--15 million
13. Falun Gong--10 million
14. Bahai Faith--7 million
15. Jainism--4.2 million
16. Cao Dai--4 million
17. Humanism--3 million
18. Zoroastrianism--2.6 million
19. Tenrikyo--2 million
20. Neopaganism--1 million
21. Unitarianism--800,000
22. Rasta--600,000
23. Jedi--c. 150,000

[The Avon Lady]

Perhaps you mean the three Judao-based faiths.
No problemo.:cool:

[The Avon Lady]

2. Islam--1.3 billion
Give or take another 200,000,000 (http://search.csmonitor.com/2006/0510/p01s04-wome.html). Of course, take note of the article's remaining content.

[VipertheSniper]

In fact, one of the biggest problems is assigning them a unique name or identifying them. The problem is that many of these people, whom everyone piles together with a term called "moderate Muslims", are not adherants of any particular Islamic school or if they are, of a compromising, partial, liberal or reform version of Islam.

I know there are a number of schools of Islam, and even in them it's the Imam that teaches how he thinks it should be practiced, but I think all would say that their religion is the Islam. Not only the fundamentalist like you seem to imply.


I'm not sure I got what you just said but I'll give it a try.

As a reliable rule, every religion is exclusive of all other. There are absolute contradictions between the 3 major religions that cannot be reconciled.

But religious beliefs and religious tolerance are 2 completely different stories. I may dismiss the authenticity of religions not mine but I am under no religious doctinal obligation to view and treat people of other beliefs as if they were the scum of the earth. (There is one exception in the Torah. Anyone belonging to the nation of Amalek is subject to the death penalty. Please find me 1 confirmed Amalekite. I'm just itching for a fight).

The reason why Christians and Jews can mostly get along and certainly at least be tolerant of one another is because essentially the religions of Christianity and Judaism do not obligate their respective religionists to do otherwise.

Not so Islam. Have you read the Quran? How about the Hadith's, documenting lifetime experiences from Mohamed that serve the function of "do as I do and as I say"? It's all online for you to begin reading. Did you check on what "dhimmitude" and "jizya" are? What's dar al-Islam and dar al-harb? What do you (think you) know about Jihad?

So how come so many of us infidels (myself included at various points of my life), can indeed get along with many a Muslim? Usually one of 3 reasons fit:

1. Such persons do not abide by the absolute rules of the Quran or the spirit of its writings which describe what should be a Muslim's attitude towards non-Muslims.

2. They are practicing dawa. Google (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&q=da%27wa) is your friend.:yep:

3. As an extension of #2, above, Sha'aria is not yet in force in your next of the woods.


I'd say that you pretty much got what I meant to say.
It doesn't matter much for anyone not holding as extreme beliefs as these lunatics (no matter what religion, the muslims aren't the only ones). We can get along.

Reading up about this terms you pointed out didn't bring any answers, only more questions (except for Da'wa). Especially due to the nature of the various teachings of the Qu'ran.

I'm not a theologian, and I don't plan on becoming one.



The suicide bombers are lured in with religion, and it's easy to lure them in, because they're desperate.

I see someone's been mesmerized by George Clooney's "Syrianna".

Please look up the backgrounds, educational and financial status of the 9/11 and London terrorists, for example. OBL has millions, if not billions. The PA received billions, nowhere to be found.


Desperate because noone seems to hear them, or recognise their wishes. I know it's hard to recognise someones wishes through all the bombings, but I guess fighting a war on poverty would dry out the support for terrorists like Osama much quicker than trying to get all the terrorists.

Read and wise up (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004806.php)



I like this bit... you're contradicting yourself, on one hand it's not religion that's used to lure them in, but on the other hand it is? Or how would you call this

The relationship between the phenomenon of terrorism in our society and culture is like the relationship betweenthe cause and consequence. A thorough study of this phenomenon shows that the … real reason behind the mobilization of a handful of young men by this deviant group is purely cultural. This means that these youths were brought up in a special cultural atmosphere which finds its roots in a stereotyped understanding of religion. This understanding serves as a basic incubator to this group. This may explain the reason why some youths belonging to rich families and others who are well positioned in the state's civil service hierarchy are implicated in terrorist crimes.

So maybe it's not poverty and being desperate to get heard. But the religion is used to form them to jihadists... and it's easy to form a childs mind in their upbringing.

[TLAM Strike]

My goodness! You're right! There are over 70,000 practicing 'Jediists' (Jediians? Jedifarians? Jediorastrians?) in Australia alone! How insensitive of me. I will update the list:

<snip>

As a Dark Lord of the Sith I take offense to being bunched in with the 'Jedi'! Allow me to correct your list.

1. Sith--2
2. Christianity--2.1 billion
3. Islam--1.3 billion
4. Secular/agnostic/aethist/et. al.--1.1 billion
5. Hinduism--900 million
6. Buddhism--708 million
7. Primal Indiginous (blanket term for various native, non-industrial societies)--300 million
8. African Traditional/diasporic--100 million
9. Shintoism--69 million
10. Sikhism--23 million
11. Juche--19 million
12. Spiritism--15 million
13. Judaism--15 million
14. Falun Gong--10 million
15. Bahai Faith--7 million
16. Jainism--4.2 million
17. Cao Dai--4 million
18. Humanism--3 million
19. Zoroastrianism--2.6 million
20. Tenrikyo--2 million
21. Neopaganism--1 million
22. Unitarianism--800,000
23. Rasta--600,000
24. Jedi--c. 150,000 (and falling *bwahahahaha*)

(Yes I know we are the lest numerous on the list but as the most powerful we deserve to be #1.)

[Wim Libaers]

I'm praying to the same Lord as the Muslims, just like you do, he may have another name, but they're all the same, whether you're jewish, muslim or christian.

While that is debatable, which god you pray to isn't as important as whose throat you want to slit...

To clarify, Islam isn't a religion. It's a system that has religion as one of its components (and uses that as justification for the other components), but also includes political ideology and a set of laws, and those components include very strong rules against those who aren't muslims.

[VipertheSniper]

Just a reminder... I'm praying to the same Lord as the Muslims, just like you do, he may have another name, but they're all the same, whether you're jewish, muslim or christian.
So I guess we all have a disease?There have been committed many atrocities in the name of religion, so yeah I guess religion in general is some sort of disease, or was the religion just used to justify someones actions, when this someone just wanted to gain influence and might?

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