So who here is anti-muslim?

[XabbaRus]

Or going to openly admit it?

[GreyOctober]

IMHO, thats THE WORST topic you couldve opened. This should be removed....

[Bertgang]

Sad question.

Maybe someone will be proud to say yes; for others the answer could sound like "I'm not racist, but they are muslim".

For me, the question has little or no sense at all; worst people I know are italian catholics, like me.

[bradclark1]

I'm getting there with the Us vs. Them mentality.

[Polak]

I can openly admit that I am anti-muslim and a bit racist.
But I still think that it is a not to good question to ask in a forum, it will probably only lead to a flame-war.

[CCIP]

What's the definition of "anti-Muslim"?

I oppose Islamic religious dogma, but only a bit more than Christian religious dogma or any other. I can't be anti-Muslim on principle, since there's far too many Muslims in the world for me to know them all and make a conclusion. I may be more willing to deal with and trust an intelligent moderate Muslim than a very stupid atheist. :roll:

[August]

Yeah you might as well ask if we've stopped beating our wives....

[mapuc]

I'm a anti muslim or should I say anti islam

anti- religious fundamental

Markus

[joea]

I am anti-anti/pro-Islamic-Jew-neocon-nazi-liberal-christian-athiest-treehugin topics.

[ABBAFAN]

Im anti political correctness and all the nonsense it entails but thats about it.

oh and i like giraffes.

[tycho102]

Yeah you might as well ask if we've stopped beating our wives....

Have you stopped beating your wife? :-j

[CCIP]

Actually, Muslims are more relevant - we all have Muslims.... somewhere.

But I don't have a wife :oops:

[TLAM Strike]

I despise all humans equally. :shifty:

[XabbaRus]

Well with all the rehtoric I have read on here of late I posed the question to see what the response would be, not some "ooh goody, who hates muslims too yay" thread.

Lots of sideways stuff here.

In many ways things aren't like they were when I first joined up all those years ago.

[Winston]

I'm anti-Jehovah's Witnesses, god damn them. Also anti-Carol Singers. Infact I'm anti-anyone who bothers me with out a good reason.

[Sixpack]

On original topic: What's not to like ? :lol:

[August]

Yeah you might as well ask if we've stopped beating our wives....

Have you stopped beating your wife? :-j

You mean yet?

[Neptunus Rex]

I'm anti-Ice Cream Man stopping right in front of my HOUSE and SITTING THERE FOR FIVE MINUTES! :up:

[StdDev]

Depends... are these muslims texans? :roll:

[Oberon]

I'm anti-anti!

[Skybird]

Islam is the enemy and plague of all non-Islamic mankind, since it's very early beginning. Whereever it came into contact with other cultures, it created violance, war, conquest and enforced submission. the concept of tolerance and peaceful cooperation with something not-Islamic is unknown in Islam, and Muhammad's thinking. It does not know peace, only cease-fire where it is lacking the needed ressources to overcome resistance. Peace only can result from Islam annihilating all that is not itself, then there is nothing left that needs to be tolerated, then there is "peace" due to lacking challkenges. A united mankind only is a completely Islamic mankind. Islam will not rest until it is completely destroyed, or has submitted all world and rules all and everything.

How can a reasonable, civilized mind not be against Islam without giving up education, reason, knowledge, logic, humanistic values, freedom, and ignoring history...???

Take it by it's own word, judge it by it's own rules, compare it to it's own history. Not more is needed to identify it as narcissistic and untrustworthy and completely hostile and totally intolerant to all non-Islamic mankind.

I consider it to be a moral duty to be against Islam. You cannot be humanistic and Islamic at the same time. And beeing humanistic does not reject you the right of self-defense.

[Skybird]

Karl Popper: "The open society shall not tolerate intolerance."

If it does, it will end up like the societies in north Africa, the middle east, the Gulf, the Muslim far east.

[Ducimus]

I'm getting there with the Us vs. Them mentality.


Im already there, and beleive me i tried hard not to be. It's too hard not to these days. lI do not beleive the Islamic world and the rest of humanity can coexist peacfully. Their just different at the very basic levels. Many historical events relating to or around the crusades, the effects of which are still felt today.

I think there will be never peace until one of us ceases to exist. If we were to incinerate all of the Islamic world so that whoever was left didn'ttneed a flashlight to take a piss at night i woudlnt bat an eyelash nor shed a single tear.

[Oberon]

I've tried not to get drawn into this us vs them bollocks but I do agree that some people don't exactly help themselves. To be perfectly honest, I believe in my own religion, my own beliefs and no-one out there knows what they are, and I'm not going to go and shout from the rooftops that what I believe in is better than everyone else...because I'm the only person who really gives a ****.
As for Islam, well, it's religion, it's what you get from it...I could walk over to Sizewell B nuclear power station and throw a grenade inside the perimeter fence and claim I did it in the name of Ra, or some other god. It's not a set religion that causes the hatred, it's a mindset caused by human nature, it doesn't matter if it's done under the banner of Islam, or for the cause of a new Aryan race, it's still human nature at its worst...but don't we all, deep down, have our demons? Some people just don't hide it as well as others.

[The Noob]

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[Skybird]

I've tried not to get drawn into this us vs them bollocks but I do agree that some people don't exactly help themselves. To be perfectly honest, I believe in my own religion, my own beliefs and no-one out there knows what they are, and I'm not going to go and shout from the rooftops that what I believe in is better than everyone else...because I'm the only person who really gives a frick.
As for Islam, well, it's religion, it's what you get from it...I could walk over to Sizewell B nuclear power station and throw a grenade inside the perimeter fence and claim I did it in the name of Ra, or some other god. It's not a set religion that causes the hatred, it's a mindset caused by human nature, it doesn't matter if it's done under the banner of Islam, or for the cause of a new Aryan race, it's still human nature at its worst...but don't we all, deep down, have our demons? Some people just don't hide it as well as others.

The chruch has learned to move beyond it'S demons. ;) I am no church member, this is not meant to defend the church (my sympathy for it is extremely limited, but I must realize the massive influence it had on the shaping of european culture - for the good and for the worse).

As to islam and religion, in this Islam is unique: do never thinko of Islam as religion only, and apologize it on the basis of that argument, because Islam does not make a difference between religion and POLITICS Islam is both, it holds them one and the same hand. Tolerate it on the basis of freedom of religion automatically means to fully accept it'S (expansive and aggressive) political agenda - a weakness of our pöolticial and constitutional structures Islam currently exploits as best as it can in Europe. That's as if back then the Allies would have stopped to fight against the Nazis because there were churches in Germany.

My best advise would be two-sided: political priority on getting independent from Muslim oil and stopping all support for ongoing Muslim immigration, and second: treat existing communities of theirs the same way they treat our ethnic minorities in their place. Let them taste their own medicine, turn their own cultural rules and standards against them, do not accept the role of a tolerant, submissive victim anymore. In chess I would say: enforce to recapture the initiative, and then press it aggressively.

The West has declared it's weakness a virtue and labels that as "tolerance". But every school kid on the schoolyard knows that weakness never is something else than just - weakness. Only power and strength creates potentials to act, and increases the diversity of options. Virtue is not wanting to be weak, but to accept the responsebility that comes with being strong.

On this special detail, European politics make we want to vomit.

Tolerance that has no limits and tlerates everything, is a crime, it creates and supports evil, and ends in anarchy. And in anarczhy not the most tolerant or the most reasonable or the weakest and most noble will rule - but the strongest. Unblimited tolerance leads to the law of the jungle, and those being tolerant in that way are the first to become prey.

[TteFAboB]

I feel compelled to quote the Jihad Watch Editor, Robert Spencer:

Am I "anti-Muslim"? Some time ago here at Jihad Watch I had an exchange with an English convert to Islam. I said: "I would like nothing better than a flowering, a renaissance, in the Muslim world, including full equality of rights for women and non-Muslims in Islamic societies: freedom of conscience, equality in laws regarding legal testimony, equal employment opportunities, etc." Is all that "anti-Muslim"? My correspondent thought so. He responded: "So, you would like to see us ditch much of our religion and, thereby, become non-Muslims."

In other words, he saw a call for equality of rights for women and non-Muslims in Islamic societies, including freedom of conscience, equality in laws regarding legal testimony, and equal employment opportunities, as a challenge to his religion. To the extent that they are, these facts have to be confronted by both Muslims and non-Muslims. But I make no apologies: it is not "anti-Muslim" to wish freedom of conscience and equality of rights on the Islamic world -- quite the contrary.

Q: Are you trying to incite anti-Muslim hatred?
RS: Certainly not. I am trying to point out the depth and extent of the hatred that is directed against the United States, because I believe that the efforts to downplay its depth and extent leave us less equipped to defend ourselves. As I said above, the focus here is on jihad; any Muslim who renounces the ideologies of jihad and dhimmitude is most welcome to join forces with us. Anyone who targets innocent Muslims in the USA is not only evil, but is playing into the hands of the jihadists who are trying to fan the flames of anti-American hatred. Also, one of the reasons why the war on terror is so important is that those who would destroy Western civilization do not believe in the principles of due process and justice that are central elements of the American system.

Q: Are you deliberately ignoring more liberal schools of thought in Islam?
RS: Certainly not. I encourage any Muslim individual or group who is willing to work publicly for the reform of the Islamic doctrines, theological tenets and laws that Islamic jihadists use to justify violence. But this must be done honestly and thoroughly, confronting the texts of the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira that are used to justify violence against unbelievers, and decisively rejecting Qur'anic literalism. Not all self-proclaimed moderates are truly moderate: many deny that these elements of Islam exist at all — hardly a promising platform for reform. It is important to make proper distinctions and speak honestly about the roots of the terrorist threat.

[kiwi_2005]

Anti muslim? Im sure there are some very nice muslims out there, ppl just like you and me. Its the muslim terrorist that are spoiling there name. Usually when a terrorist stikes the first thing that comes to ppl's minds is "Muslim"

[Type941]

I hate bees.

bzzz.

on serious note, I think he meant radical islam, which of course is not something I support. I don't.

[Excalibur Bane]

I hate everyone equally, thus I can't be accused of being a racist as minorities are hated equally as much as every other group ;)

[Onkel Neal]

I am anti-anti/pro-Islamic-Jew-neocon-nazi-liberal-christian-athiest-treehugin topics.

:lol:

I'm closing this thread, not out of any kind of anger, but one may well ask "who is anti-christian", "who is anti-Italian", "who is anti-Negro", ... even (shudder!) "who is anti-Texan". Going to lead to meanness and hurt feelings, with nothing good to show for it.