What are they thinking?

[August]

http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f&k=32073

Badges for Jew and Christians? Mandatory dress code? Is it me or is Iran deliberately trying to alienate the rest of the planet?

[STEED]

Welcome to the Fourth Reich and WW3 thanks to Iran. http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/b185.gif

[Konovalov]

Disgusting. :nope:

[CB..]

Iran seems to have learn't from every internet "troll" on the planet just exactly how to press every one's buttons..i guesse this is following on from the response to the cartoon controversy and the insistance that if similar depictions of the holocaust were "bandied about" that we'd get as upset as they were..i think they're testing this philosphy out at the moment..you have to admit it is all rather troll like behaviour on Irans part(?whad ya reckon? i dunno what else you could compare this behaviour too other than troll like)...if they are 100% serious and actually do this then i'm sure things will take on a very different slant..they are virtually begging the west to invade...one has to wonder why...i mean gawd help us all if they actually attempt to restage the holocaust just to prove a point !!!

[Skybird]

Nothing new. Has already been practiced in the golden and wonderful age of Grenada, and during the age of the Almohades from North-West Africa up to India. Practicing like this has a historical record of long acceptance by Muslims.

So-called moderates will be quick in pointing out that here and there there had been discussions on this, MAYBE, I don't know, maybe even protests, but all this does not mean anything as long as it comes not in form of a directly Quran-based and by word's content irreversible (unlimited validity) fatwah by the highest global representatives of Islam. Just a protest against this by a Muslim community here or there means nothing and has no binding obligation

And for such a fatwah, may it be with regard to discriminative clothing, may it be with regard to Muslim terror-bombing against infidels, we in the West can wait until all hell freezes over. And when all hell has cooled down - we still will wait.

Wake up, Europe! This news is a reminder from your worst and most unforgiving of all enemies!

[GreyOctober]

In times like this i really wish Bush is thinking about invading Iran and ridding us all of this disgusting maggot. This just ruined my day! Ewwww

[August]

Iran seems to have learn't from every internet "troll" on the planet just exactly how to press every one's buttons..i guesse this is following on from the response to the cartoon controversy and the insistance that if similar depictions of the holocaust were "bandied about" that we'd get as upset as they were..i think they're testing this philosphy out at the moment..you have to admit it is all rather troll like behaviour on Irans part(?whad ya reckon? i dunno what else you could compare this behaviour too other than troll like)...if they are 100% serious and actually do this then i'm sure things will take on a very different slant..they are virtually begging the west to invade...one has to wonder why...i mean gawd help us all if they actually attempt to restage the holocaust just to prove a point !!!

The key difference is that an internet troll operates from the anonymity of the internet. People who act like that in person tend to get their noses bloodied...

[CB..]

Iran seems to have learn't from every internet "troll" on the planet just exactly how to press every one's buttons..i guesse this is following on from the response to the cartoon controversy and the insistance that if similar depictions of the holocaust were "bandied about" that we'd get as upset as they were..i think they're testing this philosphy out at the moment..you have to admit it is all rather troll like behaviour on Irans part(?whad ya reckon? i dunno what else you could compare this behaviour too other than troll like)...if they are 100% serious and actually do this then i'm sure things will take on a very different slant..they are virtually begging the west to invade...one has to wonder why...i mean gawd help us all if they actually attempt to restage the holocaust just to prove a point !!!

The key difference is that an internet troll operates from the anonymity of the internet. People who act like that in person tend to get their noses bloodied...

i wasn't implying in any way that your posting of the subject was troll like ..

but that Iran seems to be exploiting the same techniques as internet trolls-
hoping to illustrate just how dangerous such practices are when viewed in a larger venue ---never mind forget it...

[August]

Iran seems to have learn't from every internet "troll" on the planet just exactly how to press every one's buttons..i guesse this is following on from the response to the cartoon controversy and the insistance that if similar depictions of the holocaust were "bandied about" that we'd get as upset as they were..i think they're testing this philosphy out at the moment..you have to admit it is all rather troll like behaviour on Irans part(?whad ya reckon? i dunno what else you could compare this behaviour too other than troll like)...if they are 100% serious and actually do this then i'm sure things will take on a very different slant..they are virtually begging the west to invade...one has to wonder why...i mean gawd help us all if they actually attempt to restage the holocaust just to prove a point !!!

The key difference is that an internet troll operates from the anonymity of the internet. People who act like that in person tend to get their noses bloodied...

i wasn't implying in any way that your posting of the subject was troll like ..

but that Iran seems to be exploiting the same techniques as internet trolls-
hoping to illustrate just how dangerous such practices are when viewed in a larger venue ---never mind forget it...

I wasn't saying that at all. I do agree with you completely.

I was just commenting that because the internet troll does this thing anonymously he can avoid the obvious response. Iran ain't being anonymous and therefore may have to face to the consequences of what they're saying

[CB..]

ok whew sorry about that...my worry is that Iran wants us to bloody their nose---knowing that there will be a chance that the entire muslim world will go stark raving bonkers in response..(it won't make ANY sense but there's stiil a chance it will happen any way)

[TteFAboB]

Ahmedinejad (and most of his gang) denies the Holocaust because of an inferiority complex.

The Nazis did their homework, they weren't bright, but they were rational enough to carry out a decently terrible Holocaust.

Now, Mr. dingdong is green of envy, because he has less than 100,000 targets to terrorize. Far less than the smallest estimatives of Hitler's Holocaust.

Dingdong would never top his predecessor, he can only ever be a small spot in the history of terror.

And so he has to troll indeed, to boast his tiny insignificant figure.

[Ducimus]

In times like this i really wish Bush is thinking about invading Iran and ridding us all of this disgusting maggot. This just ruined my day! Ewwww

Nah. We're already over extended and that rathole isnt worth spilling one drop of blood over.

I got a better idea,...

Nuclear technology is their "right" they say? Well, lets provide them with some, the old fashioned way.

http://www.nukeitfromorbit.com/nuke.jpg

[Wim Libaers]

Some confusion about this one:
http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,19196947%255E1702,00.html

[Skybird]

Now, Mr. dingdong is green of envy, because he has less than 100,000 targets to terrorize. Far less than the smallest estimatives of Hitler's Holocaust.

Dingdong would never top his predecessor, he can only ever be a small spot in the history of terror.


The third Reich lasted less than two decades. It's first war was it's last.

Islam lasts since 1400 years and counting. It has waged uncountable minor and major attack wars and predatory raids, and three major attempts to conquer Europe. Although beeing thrown back by Europe after centuries-long fighting, it survived these defeats, and now again tries to overthrow Europe again, by demographics and infilitration.

"Small spot in history?" It is the most successful story of military conquest human history does know of.

[Happy Times]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/eyeranian/AttackIran.jpghttp://web.stratfor.com/images/middleeast/art/3_16_iran_attack_201.jpghttp://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/spacdm.JPG

[Ducimus]

Oh god that middle picture reminds me of something youd see on CNN during the first gulf war. Well done parody.

[The Noob]

Please do not Flame Iran or muslims, after the Muslim Cartoon disaster this could make the Situation even worse. I am NOT a muslim or a friend of iran, but i think we should be careful that we don't make them even more angry.

And, if America has Nuklear technology, why iran shouldn't? It's thier right! It's every Nations Right! I cannot support the american governement in tyrraning the rest of the world with nukes just cos they are the only ones who have them. To avoid america Tyrran other countrys cos they are the only ones with nukes there are Two solutions:

1.Nobody has Nukes.
2.Everybody has 'em.

I do not need America as "World Sherrif". And Iran even less...

(With america i mean the Governement there.)

I hope you understood me right.

[Wildcat]

Who cares about what Iran wants. Iran wants to get invaded, judging by the way it behaves. Ahmadinejad needs to have a bullet inserted into his brain and the rest of his political cronies need to walk out or get the same treatment.

Crap like that has got to stop, right now.

[TLAM Strike]

And, if America has Nuklear technology, why iran shouldn't? It's thier right! It's every Nations Right!
...
I do not need America as "World Sherrif". And Iran even less... Three words "Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty". The world fought hard trying to make sure these damn things don't get used again and the western world finally developed an agreement that most of the world (including Iran) agreed on and now they are just going to illegally break their agreement?

If the US and its allies don’t step up and inforce the will of the world whose going to? The UN? When was the last time the UN went and enforced the will of its member states by force against an agressive hostile power? The Korean War 50 years ago? Be glad the US gives a damn, there have been too many times already when the US has ignored things like this and lots have died.

[Happy Times]

Please do not Flame Iran or muslims, after the Muslim Cartoon disaster this could make the Situation even worse. I am NOT a muslim or a friend of iran, but i think we should be careful that we don't make them even more angry.
http://www.tu****a.com/catalog/images/_cards/qcards/Q0113.jpg

[Ducimus]

after the Muslim Cartoon disaster this could make the Situation even worse. I am NOT a muslim or a friend of iran, but i think we should be careful that we don't make them even more angry.



With all due respect, i personnaly will not curb my speech, nor thoughts to placate a nameless mob of fanatical zealots who's well being i honestly could care less about. Least of all Iran. Ive heard many times they raise their people at a very early age to hate americans. So why should anyone respect a country and people who breeds and instills hate within their young, and whos goverment reinacts policies remincent of the third reich?

As for nukes, like it or not, it is best left as it is.
Nukes were a byproduct of WW2. The modern reality is that few nations can be trusted with this technology. If everyone had nukes we'd all be living in a cold war world of brinksmanship where at any time, a nutjob like the one in iran could get a little trigger happy and press the button. Likewise the targeted nation would respond, and well, there you have WW3.

While i joke about nuking the muslim world (primarly because im starting to beleive their fanaticsm should be matched and repelled by equal zeal, and what better way then making them glow :P ), the reality is we would never nuke anyone ever again. We've done it once, and we found its not cool. They however, have an opposing view, a view which precludes any sense of responsblity.

Nuclear technology isnt anyones right, no nation is entitled to have it, ESPECIALLY one where its leader advocates wiping a nation off the face of the planet. ( If somone who said he wanted to kill your family said owning a large knife was his right, would you give him one?) Of course all of this makes my nuclear joking, to me, all that much more delicious. Nuking iran off the face of the planet.. the country which advocates the same to others. That would be a bitter sweet bit of irony.

[scandium]

Meanwhile back on planet earth:

Experts say report of badges for Jews in Iran is untrue:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6626a0fa-99de-4f1e-aebe-bb91af82abb3

Several experts are casting doubt on reports that Iran had passed a law requiring the country’s Jews and other religious minorities to wear coloured badges identifying them as non-Muslims.

This propaganda buildup, with its recent barrage of hyperbolic and sensational stories about a place most people paid scant attention to 2 years ago, reminds me of how people swallowed everything they read about Iraq 3 years ago without the slightest bit of critical examination.

People don't even seem to notice how many of these stories are all coming from the same Iranian ex-patriot (the Iranian Ahmed Chalabi), Amir Taheri, or that he's a paid public speaker at the same firm that's also employed Richard Perle.

Not that some of what we're reading isn't true (as the best propaganda, and the greatest lies and distorions, all contain a grain of truth), but IMHO those who take everything they read as gospel, and without any further examination, are little better than Pavlov's dogs.

[The Noob]

Please do not Flame Iran or muslims, after the Muslim Cartoon disaster this could make the Situation even worse. I am NOT a muslim or a friend of iran, but i think we should be careful that we don't make them even more angry.
http://www.tu****a.com/catalog/images/_cards/qcards/Q0113.jpg

Yup, thats what i'm doing. :up:

@TLAM Strike
That would be a Reason. But, why does damn America needs to Play Sherrif? Can't another country do that? I just hate the American Governement.

@Ducimus
Are you american? I don't have to discuss politics with a Bush loving manipulatet Person. And thats like you sound.


If somone who said he wanted to kill your family said owning a large knife was his right, would you give him one?

If i can have one too, yes.

Personally i hope america and Iran both get Nuked in the Process of the Upcoming war.

[Excalibur Bane]

I'm surprised the whole cartoon fiasco was allowed to happen at all. I don't know the situation, I don't care for politics but if that was my country I would not allow religious fanatics to protest and generally deny people free speech. Nor terroize people because they portrayed some holy figure. Personally, I would have arranged for some very tragic accidents to happen to each and every idiot who voiced an objection to the cartoon. People protesting about free speech and the right to say whatever the hell you like, I never thought I'd see the day. :down:

[The Noob]

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[TLAM Strike]

@TLAM Strike
That would be a Reason. But, why does damn America needs to Play Sherrif? Can't another country do that? I just hate the American Governement. Name ones that’s tried? Since the days of Teddy Roosevelt the US has went out and protected the less fortunate and tried to maintain peace in the world while other nations have been trying to gobble up territory or settle old scores. Remember the League of Nations? Yea sure it failed but I don’t remember a European leader purposing it? What did they fight for at the The Paris Peace Conference? How would Germany be punished and how much of the spoils of war would they get. After WWII what did the US do to prevent another world war? The UN. And it worked more or less for around 40 years until the rest of the world stopped having the guts to do what it agreed to and its officers decided personal profit was more important than the common good.

I ask you what other country is going to do this if not us?

[Happy Times]

It is true that many Americans have too little knowledge of outside world but this forum proves that some are interested to keep themself informed. And i believe people working in their goverment, intelligence services and military arent totally stupid people.

[scandium]

I'm surprised the whole cartoon fiasco was allowed to happen at all. I don't know the situation, I don't care for politics but if that was my country I would not allow religious fanatics to protest and generally deny people free speech. Nor terroize people because they portrayed some holy figure. Personally, I would have arranged for some very tragic accidents to happen to each and every idiot who voiced an objection to the cartoon. People protesting about free speech and the right to say whatever the hell you like, I never thought I'd see the day. :down:

I don't agree with it either but two things:

1. They were also exercising their own right to protest. Yes, there is irony in people using a democratic right to protest the media exercising its democratic right to print a cartoon but such is life and I don't mind them protesting as it is their right. I disagree with them but that is my right. However when people use their freedom of speech and to protest as a forum for hatred and to incite violence or convey death threats, then that is another thing. That is not freedom of expression but (at least here in Canada) a potential hate crime that can (at least here) and should be proescuted to the fullest extent possible;

2. In this last regard, you yourself, by implying that people should "meet with some tragic style accident" (what do you have in mind, KGB style asassinations?) merely for airing their opinions are little better then the worst of them are.

I just hope all of this hatred (and it is thinly disguided hatred in the best cases, outright xenophobia and racism in the worst) expressed here on this forum, in this thread and the many anti-muslim threads just like it (that myself and others have noticed pop up at least once per day, every day), do not actually express the mainstream views of the supposedly educated and civilized countries we claim to live in. If they do then dark times certainly do await us.

[scandium]

Since the days of Teddy Roosevelt the US has went out and protected the less fortunate and tried to maintain peace in the world while other nations have been trying to gobble up territory or settle old scores.

Or at least that is what they teach you to believe (and many of us as well, whose school books also happen to be written in the United States).

You have a valid point that up until, and including, WWII this was exactly what other countries were doing in one form or another. And there's no denying that many things the US has done have had a benevolent impact (the Marshall Plan is a prime example). But is this the full story of US intervention? Is its foreign policy really driven by a desire to maintain peace and help the less fortunate around the world? I think not, on both counts.

Let's look at "gobbling up territory", as an example. How well has this worked out for the old Imperial Powers? I would say not too well if you look at the world today where almost all of the former colonies have achieved independence - sometimes, as in the case of the US itself, at the cost of a expensive and bloody war for independence. Has the US been ruled by a succession of leaders too out of touch to see this? Obviously not (exception being the current President).

There's a much more modern and effective way of achieving imperial style wealth and power without conquering anyone: economic imperialism. Like the imperialism of old it transfers the wealth and resources out of the client state and into the imperial power, but without all of the expense and mess of old fashioned colonialsm with its need for occupation and risk of rebellion. Its a subtler, kinder imperialism that all Western countries wage but that the US wages better than anyone.

[TLAM Strike]

It is true that many Americans have too little knowledge of outside world but this forum proves that some are interested to keep themself informed. And i believe people working in their goverment, intelligence services and military arent totally stupid people.

Well I for one grew up with a map of the world, and a map of the solar system on the wall and a globe circa 1950 (given to me by my dad and since given to our neighbors spoiled kids… one day if they haven’t destroyed it I should take it back) on my dresser.

On that globe there was only 1 country that my ancestors came from that was on that map: England. The other two not so much. About half the countries on that globe say they belonged (Ex. French Indo China) to someone else or were big chunks of nations where many smaller ones are now (Ex. USSR, France’s Central African Republic). The United States of America is the same as it is today as it was on that globe (a few small islands not withstanding)

Maybe thats the reason I think they way I do.

[TLAM Strike]

Since the days of Teddy Roosevelt the US has went out and protected the less fortunate and tried to maintain peace in the world while other nations have been trying to gobble up territory or settle old scores.

Or at least that is what they teach you to believe (and many of us as well, whose school books also happen to be written in the United States).

You have a valid point that up until, and including, WWII this was exactly what other countries were doing in one form or another. Oh they have been doing it for quite a bit after that. Remember the Soviet Union? Or China? Or to some extent England and France (holding on to what they had in a death grip). What does the US do? Hay Puerto Rico, statehood, independence or the same old same old? Go ask your people and let us know, we’re cool with what ever you decide.

And there's no denying that many things the US has done have had a benevolent impact (the Marshall Plan is a prime example). But is this the full story of US intervention? Is its foreign policy really driven by a desire to maintain peace and help the less fortunate around the world? I think not, on both counts. The Marshall Plan was to maintain peace by preventing the Soviets from getting a bigger foot hold in the Med. Remember the Monroe Doctrine? Europe say out of the Americas. The Korean War? The Communist Bloc decides it wants to help the North Korans invade their neighbors.

There's a much more modern and effective way of achieving imperial style wealth and power without conquering anyone: economic imperialism. Like the imperialism of old it transfers the wealth and resources out of the client state and into the imperial power, but without all of the expense and mess of old fashioned colonialsm with its need for occupation and risk of rebellion. Its a subtler, kinder imperialism that all Western countries wage but that the US wages better than anyone. So we can't act for the common good simply because we have so much money? If say Portugal or Norway or Lesotho had billions and billions of dollars and a huge military and they didn’t act to prevent a country whose leaders have determined their people’s goal should be the systematic extermination of another group of people by the most heinous acts imaginable you would be screaming at the top of your lungs (…err typing at the tips of your fingers?) for them to act, you would probably be even saying that’s its criminal not to act. Everyone complains when the US acts and they don’t like what we are doing and everyone complains when the US doesn’t and everyone doesn’t even bother to remember when the US acts and does good. As for money coming in to the US there has been a huge discussion in how Illegal Immigrants to the US come here for the sole reason to send money out.

[Iceman]

Scandium...what country are you from? In your profile you list no information. Just curious. I always try to understand where people come from on there point of view. I find it very intresting that many people who enjoy alot of freedom tend to forget at what price it comes at.

Maybe Skybird can enlighten this topic on the guy who came up with the Art of War theory...I have read some of it in the past and war and conquering seems very simple...mafias generally have it down as well too...Subduing your enimes,crushing there will, killing all out if neccessary. All these traits is where America falls short in it's "Conquests". Trying to sustain a war like we are doing in Iraq and Afghan...always trying to be the stand up guy and not taking advantage of the spoils of war is folly on the part of the conquerer.

Maybe it is a good thing after all not being so absolute.But the question I think was brought up in this thread..If America does not stand up who will?....we all know the answer...no one.So should America sit back and do nothing...no she should ACT and consult no one but her own people and those who would seek to live in peace.

A city divided against itself cannot stand....Peace out Scandium.

[scandium]

Since the days of Teddy Roosevelt the US has went out and protected the less fortunate and tried to maintain peace in the world while other nations have been trying to gobble up territory or settle old scores.

Or at least that is what they teach you to believe (and many of us as well, whose school books also happen to be written in the United States).

You have a valid point that up until, and including, WWII this was exactly what other countries were doing in one form or another.

Oh they have been doing it for quite a bit after that. Remember the Soviet Union? Or China? Or to some extent England and France (holding on to what they had in a death grip).

Not really, and not on the same scale, no. By far, and I mean by far (we're talking entire continents here, not little third world countries like Korea... think Africa, North America, South America) the great imperial ventures were pre-20th century. In fact pre-18th century if we want to get into its peak. Much of the history since then has been marked by independence (whether bloody or bloodless) in the colonies and what colonialism has taken place since the 18th century has been on a smaller scale and shorter lived.

So we can't act for the common good simply because we have so much money?

Wouldn't that be rather socialist and run counter to the American ideal of rugged individualism? Is there so much of this "acting for the common good" (ie: socialism/liberalism) in the US that its spread to your foreign policy as well? Obviously no. Domestically the US spends among the lowest amounts (as a percentage of GDP) of industrialized countries (compare it to "socialist" Europe... or even "socialist" Canada) on social programs. In terms of foreign aid, again as a percentage of GDP, it is also one of the cheapest industrialized countries. This extends to foreign policy as well: if the policy is beneficial to the indigenous peoples then so be it; if it isn't, so be it. What matters in either case is that the policy is beneficial to the US and the "common good" is not a variable there (let alone the prime one). Of course other countries are no different but to believe the US is some lofty exception to this not only absurd, but profoundly naive.

Everyone complains when the US acts and they don’t like what we are doing and everyone complains when the US doesn’t and everyone doesn’t even bother to remember when the US acts and does good.

Well certainly this is what Americans have been telling themselves since they invaded Iraq. Ironically, at the time I remember only the worldwide protests begging the US not to invade but this goes to the parallel universe I believe many inhabit these days.

Incidentally, this may come as a surprise to you, but believe it or not its actually Canada, and not the US, that has led the most peace-keeping missions in the world. That despite our much smaller military and population. Of course Canada doesn't pretend to be the world's protector and savior... but we don't have God on our side like you do ;)

[scandium]

Scandium...what country are you from? In your profile you list no information. Just curious. I always try to understand where people come from on there point of view. I find it very intresting that many people who enjoy alot of freedom tend to forget at what price it comes at.

Maybe Skybird can enlighten this topic on the guy who came up with the Art of War theory...I have read some of it in the past and war and conquering seems very simple...mafias generally have it down as well too...Subduing your enimes,crushing there will, killing all out if neccessary. All these traits is where America falls short in it's "Conquests". Trying to sustain a war like we are doing in Iraq and Afghan...always trying to be the stand up guy and not taking advantage of the spoils of war is folly on the part of the conquerer.

Maybe it is a good thing after all not being so absolute.But the question I think was brought up in this thread..If America does not stand up who will?....we all know the answer...no one.So should America sit back and do nothing...no she should ACT and consult no one but her own people and those who would seek to live in peace.

A city divided against itself cannot stand....Peace out Scandium.

Canada... one of these days I'll get around to filling out more of my profile.

As to Sun Tzu: I've only ever read parts of the Art of War and, though its timeless and as relevant then as it is now, the advent of capitalism has meant some necessary modifications to the way imperial powers operate (modern forms of government and technology have played a part too).

I don't think the US should "sit back and do nothing" but that implies a false dichotomy; ie, that there are only two choices: the way its done things so far or nothing at all. Of course there are alternatives and always have been. You only need to look back and the choices made so far and consider alternatives to see this. For instance, consider the so-called "War on Terror":

What do terrorism and warfare have in common? Both rely on violence and fear to achieve their objectives (you win a war by destroying, through violence, your enemies will to fight, by making him fear the consequences of prolonging the conflict - for instance, a third a-bomb on Japan in WWII). In fact terrorism is little more than assymetrical warfare by non-nation participants. This is the problem with a "war on terror" though, how do you sap the will of participants, who are not defined by national boundaries, through violence and the fear that refusal to surrender will lead to more violence? Who signs the surrender? Isn't fear, through violence, exactly the goal of terrorism? Wouldn't it therefore make sense that a "War on Terror" cannot be won and is actually a paradox?

To me it follows logically that if the War on Terror is based on a paradox and cannot be won, then the actions taken to date in fighting in it are not reducing Terrorism. Rather, I believe the US's actions to date are worsening the problem.

This is not to say that you can't fight terrorism. I believe you can, but I think you do that by combatting the ideologies that promote it, by changing the living conditions in the places where it breeds, and by training and funding skilled counter-terrorist professionals. Then you capture, try, convict and imprison the perpetrators rather than detain them indefinitely in secret.

Sure the US is at least claiming to be fighting terrorism, I just believe that its doing about as poorly a job of it as its possible to do. It has been very successful at creating new backwaters for it to thrive in though.

[retired1212]

did a little bit digging.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060519/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_dress_code;_ylt=AqaKPIhdl..zLsiFVidUUw9vaA8F; _ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

[scandium]

did a little bit digging.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060519/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_dress_code;_ylt=AqaKPIhdl..zLsiFVidUUw9vaA8F; _ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

Much of this artcle is also covered in the one I posted in this thread earlier. I especially liked this part of the Yahoo one though:

Iran's Islamic law imposes tight restrictions on women. They need a male guardian's permission to work or travel. They are not allowed to become judges, and a man's court testimony is considered twice as important as a woman's.

Despite such restrictions, Iranian women have more rights than their counterparts in Saudi Arabia and some other conservative Muslim countries. They can drive, vote and run for office.

Interesting how we never hear a peep about Saudia Arabia on these topics isn't it? Even though they're more restrictive than their Iranian counterparts and even though 15 of the 19 Sept 11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian... wonder why that is... :hmm:

[retired1212]

I love one thing in SArabia. Death for death traffickers who are protected by law in West.

Would love to put 1Kg of heroin in a spammer's bag and send him to SArabia for vacations :D

[Skybird]

Please do not Flame Iran or muslims, after the Muslim Cartoon disaster this could make the Situation even worse. I am NOT a muslim or a friend of iran, but i think we should be careful that we don't make them even more angry.

When reading comments of this callibre, I can feel intensively myself that Buddha was right: living is suffering.

[TLAM Strike]

Since the days of Teddy Roosevelt the US has went out and protected the less fortunate and tried to maintain peace in the world while other nations have been trying to gobble up territory or settle old scores.

Or at least that is what they teach you to believe (and many of us as well, whose school books also happen to be written in the United States).

You have a valid point that up until, and including, WWII this was exactly what other countries were doing in one form or another.

Oh they have been doing it for quite a bit after that. Remember the Soviet Union? Or China? Or to some extent England and France (holding on to what they had in a death grip).

Not really, and not on the same scale, no. By far, and I mean by far (we're talking entire continents here, not little third world countries like Korea... think Africa, North America, South America) the great imperial ventures were pre-20th century. In fact pre-18th century if we want to get into its peak. Much of the history since then has been marked by independence (whether bloody or bloodless) in the colonies and what colonialism has taken place since the 18th century has been on a smaller scale and shorter lived. Excuse me? Think Europe think half of Europe and a chunk of Asia; Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan plus Albania (until 1962), Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, and Romania and Soviet or proxy forces in Angola, Afghanistan, Cuba, Mozambique, Ethiopia, and Mongolia. That was the world in the 1980s. Your telling me that is not a massive empire held together at gunpoint?

Incidentally, this may come as a surprise to you, but believe it or not its actually Canada, and not the US, that has led the most peace-keeping missions in the world. That despite our much smaller military and population. Of course Canada doesn't pretend to be the world's protector and savior... but we don't have God on our side like you do ;) Who has put down the most homicidal dictators?

Oh and we don't have God on our side that would violate the 1st Amendment. :D

Oh well your Canadian so whatever we Americans do you hate. As Barbara Amiel said: "If America was trying to keep the bubonic plague out of its hemisphere, Canadians would import it just to show their independence of American foreign policy." ;)

[The Noob]

Please do not Flame Iran or muslims, after the Muslim Cartoon disaster this could make the Situation even worse. I am NOT a muslim or a friend of iran, but i think we should be careful that we don't make them even more angry.

When reading comments of this callibre, I can feel intensively myself that Buddha was right: living is suffering.

Yup. Budda Rocks! :up:

No Seriously... :up:

[tycho102]

The World According To America

Actually, we're on fairly friendly terms with the Aussies. In part because they get a lot of Yank tourists, part because they get to ship us their "convicts" like Paul Hogan and Steve Irwin, and part because our rednecks bare striking resemblance to their rednecks. Switch the Canada and Australasia bits, and that might be fairly accurate. You should probably re-label the eastern side of South America with "Here be shemales". :rotfl:

As for Iran, the "president" gets over-ridden by the "Supreme Mullah". The badges would have flown two years ago when they were introduced, just as Ayatollah Kohmeni (however it's spelled, I'm not going to do him the courtesy of checking google) could have fired/removed Mahoumed from his position as president.

[Ducimus]

@Ducimus
Are you american? I don't have to discuss politics with a Bush loving manipulatet Person. And thats like you sound.


If somone who said he wanted to kill your family said owning a large knife was his right, would you give him one?

If i can have one too, yes.

Personally i hope america and Iran both get Nuked in the Process of the Upcoming war.


You sure are drawing up a whole lot of assumptions.

First of all, i hate bush. But im also not stupid. Ive been around the world enough to realize that you just cant hand over some things to some countries. That metphorical knife, you'd be an idiot to hand one over to the mass murder the example i use. The object is to let allow that conflict to start to begin with. Weather you also have a knife is irrelvant, because you've set the stage for a fight that you'd rather not have to begin with.


I can tell you love Americans a whole lot. Guess what, your not really hurting my feelings. After 7 years in the military, ive heard it all. Words alone can't relate the joy of staring down an enemy that threatens to destroy a people, and have that people turn around and say, "**** you GI", or "Yankee go home" to my face, as if i really wanted to sit in their rat ****hole of a country to begin with. Or being denied service in a resturant or store, simply because im an American. So, ive heard it all, if slamming americans makes you feel good, go for it, its very fashionable these days.

Personnaly i would love it if we went back to isolationism. Stopped bying all forign, get our own craftsmanship back up to standards, and start buying american again. The following really sums how how i feel, and if such a man were to run for president he'd have my vote in a heartbeat.


My fellow Americans:

As you all know, the defeat of Iraq's regime has been completed. Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete.

This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now time to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short.

The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, Norway and Poland are some of the countries listed there.

The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption. Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.


In the future, together with Congress, I will work to cut taxes and solve some local problems. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth. Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China.



To Israel and the Palestinian Authority. You, boys. Work out a peace deal now. Just note that Camp David is closed. Maybe all of you can go to Russia for negotiations. They have some great palaces there. Big tables, too.



I'm ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. Pay your tickets tomorrow, or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers, and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York.

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are going to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change. Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I have a couple extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I'm gonna put 'em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty--starting now.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens.

Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying darn tootin'.

Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet.


It is time to cut taxes here because we will not be spending on other people's problems.

To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you. To the nations on List 2, a final thought. Drop dead. God bless America. Thank you and good night.

[The Noob]

After 7 years in the military, ive heard it all. Words alone can't relate the joy of staring down an enemy that threatens to destroy a people, and have that people turn around and say, "frick you GI", or "Yankee go home" to my face, as if i really wanted to sit in their rat ****hole of a country to begin with.

If you don't wan't to "sit in their rat ****hole of a country" why then you are in the military? Why do you invade thier country? Don't you realised that Irak was only invaded for getting thier oil? I do not want to hurt your feelings, but you seem to be manipulatet/"Brainwashed". I know what you are thinking. "We just invaded thier country to
Free them". Bullsh!t i say! The governement wantet to make thier soldiers think that way. If America would be invaded by...Germany for Ecsemple, wouldn't you say "Frick you German" or "Kraut go Home"?

Too many "America Loving Brainwashed soldiers" around here...:damn:

[scandium]

Incidentally, this may come as a surprise to you, but believe it or not its actually Canada, and not the US, that has led the most peace-keeping missions in the world. That despite our much smaller military and population. Of course Canada doesn't pretend to be the world's protector and savior... but we don't have God on our side like you do ;) Who has put down the most homicidal dictators?

Oh and we don't have God on our side that would violate the 1st Amendment. :D

Oh well your Canadian so whatever we Americans do you hate. As Barbara Amiel said: "If America was trying to keep the bubonic plague out of its hemisphere, Canadians would import it just to show their independence of American foreign policy."

All of which pales compared to the colonialism pre-18th century when it was at its peak. Also many of the countries you list were ones that were liberated from the Germans in WWII and with the USSR having been invaded and all its a safe bet colonialism wasn't on Stalin's mind when they were nearly over-run by the Germans. Later, after the loss of entire cities and huge chunks of their population it was a factor, but it would be revisionist history at its worst to say that WWII was fought as a war of Imperialism for the Russians. And many of their gains were short-lived, lasting of all of 40 or 50 years before these countries became independent.


Who has put down the most homicidal dictators?


Who has put most of them in power to begin with? Who has supplied most of them with the training, weapons, "aid", and other forms of support they've needed to come to power or remain in power?


Oh well your Canadian so whatever we Americans do you hate.

That is also out of touch with reality... like almost everything else you've written. In the wake of the Iraq war, with US support abroad at perhaps its lowest level ever, an international survey was conducted to measure how people felt about the US in various parts of the world. A majority of Canadians were found to have favourable opinions of Americans, and I believe in this regard we were second only to Israelis.

It also does an injustice to our soldiers who have fought and died in Afghanistan on your behalf, who would not have been there if we 'hated whatever you Americans do'. In fact our parliment voted only yesterday to extend our mission there to 2009, this done the very same day another one of our soldiers was killed there.

Canadians are critical of Americans but so is everyone else. Naturally since we share a border and many mutual interests our criticism will seem loudest. If you think our criticism equals hatred then you really do have your head in the sand.

Editted to add to that last paragraph: it seems kind of hypocritcal when Americans such as yourself get their panties in a bunch 'because everyone criticizes them' while feeling, at the same time, that the US is somehow above criticism as the US President rails on the frontpage almost daily against other countries.

Recent examples: when Canada proposed legislation to decriminalize small quanties of pot possession the US Ambassador wasted no time criticizing our country for it and proclaiming that much of it would find its way into the US. Sorry, but how is our Criminal Code his business again? Why is your inability our unwillingness to police your own border our fault? Then the US did the same thing when Mexico proposed its own modifications to its drug laws. Those are two trifling examples of something anyone here can cite thousands more of and which happens so often you take it for granted. Of course if it were done in reverse, if our ambassador had the temerity to criticize any such minor revision of American law then every pundit in the US would be outraged and people like yourself would be saying its another example of how 'Canadians hate everything Americans do' :roll:

[Ducimus]

If you don't wan't to "sit in their rat ****hole of a country" why then you are in the military? Why do you invade thier country? Don't you realised that Irak was only invaded for getting thier oil? I do not want to hurt your feelings, but you seem to be manipulatet/"Brainwashed". I know what you are thinking. "We just invaded thier country to
Free them". Bullsh!t i say! The governement wantet to make thier soldiers think that way. If America would be invaded by...Germany for Ecsemple, wouldn't you say "Frick you German" or "Kraut go Home"?

Too many "America Loving Brainwashed soldiers" around here...:damn:

You have absolutely no clue what your talking about.

First of all, people don't join the military thinking, "WOW, i wanna go invade some countries!"

Secondly, i could care less about why where in Iraq at this point, because its irrevlvant. What is relevant, is what were going to do to solve the situation. Orginally i supported of the idea toppeling saddam because i beleived the false intelligence that was held in front of our nose. That intelligence was all about what the media calls "WMD's". An acronym developed, probably because bush can't proprerly pronounce Nuclear. The proper term is NBC.. meaning Nuclear, Biological, Chemical.

Ever have NBC training? I have, and what i learned during that training is that NBC' is nothign to **** around with. For instance, there is a vaccine for maybe 5% of the worlds total Chemical and Biological weapons. The reality is, there IS NO DEFENSE against it. Sure you can don a gas mask and suck rubber for 16 hours, but thats not gonna help much for the other nasty stuff, and thats only if you had advanced warning. If a biological vectors were released into a country, but the time we found out about it , it would be too late to do anything. All it takes is one raghead, with a few barrels, a bright idea, and the determination to do it. So on THAT basis, and THAT basis alone i suported the idea. Turns out our intelligence was full of ****. Well, not much you can say about that except we ****ed up. Plain and simple.

Thirdly im far from brainwashed. Any US citizen who's read my posts in here would probably accuse me of being a liberal weenie or something. All you have to do is say , "**** bush!" and someone will be up your ass. Many people here are over patriotic. I however am not one of them. Infact i dislike people who wrap themselves in our nations flag, watch CNN like the war is a football game, and say things like, "We're gonna kick their ass" or whatever. From my perspecitve, What do you mean, we? I dont see your ass doing anything. Am i patriotic? Yes, but i am not blind and fervantly so, despite what you may think.

Fourthly, Freedom is an overused buzzword. It lost its meaning years ago, and truth be told ill wager alot of people could give less then a **** about the Iraq' peoples freedom. Alot of people tout "liberation" so it makes them feel warm and fuzzy so the entire debacle isnt a lost cause. On top of that, to a US serviceman, whos taken away from his home, his family, his loved ones, EVERYTHING he knows and lvoes in life, to sit in some ****hole country, watching his friends die, he wants to know it was for a reason, a good and honorable reason, so people cling to the whole liberation thing.

[Abraham]

:hmm:

Been away from the forum for a few days and guess what:
"Jokes" about nuking Iran and pictures with mushroom clouds, plus the accidental wish to nuke other countries as well.
Many people take offense against small talk about nuking a country. Nuking a country means evaporizing it's population and will create more problems than it solves.

We can discuss nuclear technology, nuclear weapons, nuclear warfare, but as has been said before on this forum we don't promote nuclear war or joke about it against any country. It pollutes the discussion, the thread and the forum. The mere fact that Iran is a Muslim country or has an oppressive regime with a controversial policy doesn't change the subsim policy.

Please, no more small talk about nuking.

Abraham
(with moderator cap on)

[Iceman]

Thank you for your reply Scandium...your paradox comment about terrorisim is well noted....it is a paradox...the only way is a final solution, type of solution, I'm afraid when it comes to winnig hearts and minds so to speak...you are talking about thousands of years of ways of life and no amount of prodding,war,terror tactics, abu grab prisions or whatever will change Christians , Muslims, or Jews point of views on life and the way things should be done.

Just wanted to see where you hailed from basically. ;)

P.S. I only subscribe to the " Jesus Christ Returns and puts EVERYONE In There Place " final solution. :)

[The Noob]

Alright, listen up, this will be my final political statement.

I am a Hard-Core, Hard Liner, or whatsoever Communist. You don't believe me? I wake up with a Alarm clock that plays the Soviet anthem. In 3 Variations. The "Internationale" in the morning, Stalin's in the Midday, and the 1977 one on evening.

I love Stalin that much than you your "Rosevelt Teddy Wierdo"!
No Capitalist will change my way of thinking. Capitalist agression must be Stopped somehow. I am Atheist, thus Not Suporting the Iran Religion way of thinking. No, i HATE it! And i am not the most moral person. And not the most intelligent one. BUT i can tell you that Communism Still Kicks Butt! Destroy the Capitalism, Destroy it thats the Cry form Millions of dead Soviet Communists who died for the Communist ideals! And you americans are even Literally spitting on thier Graves! No Longer! Someone Has to show you were Vladimir gets the Vodka! And, someday, Communism will win! The first man/woman on Mars, or Saturn, or any other planet were you can land and thats far away Will be Communists! We Shall rise from the Waste of our destroyed land, every Lost battle will only make us Stronger, Every Failed plan wiser, and american people will see that Communism is better! They will want inside of your Sotial Paradise, but we will send them back to Dammned Earth, as Punishment for that years of Stupid ignorance and Primitive...Capitalistic Behaivor!

This is my Final Political Statement. You cannot change my way of thinking, so don't try. It's useless! I hope this speech will not get me Banned. I can only Hope that this forum tolerates Different ways of thinking, not only the Capitalistic Mainstream. If there are any comrades around, let me know. I'm feeling...Alone. BUT even is someone would tell me that only 2% of the people are still Communist, i would not Stop. And, even if someone would tell me i am the ONLY one wich thinks that way...than i would be the only one.

But i will never Betrayal the Revolution!

I am Deadly Sure that there are Fellow Comrades reading this wich are having tears on ther faces now, Part from my Spelling errors, part from the Trueness of my Little Speech.

Alright then, one of my last posts on this Political topic.

Victory Moscow!

[The Avon Lady]

Now, now. It's time for your afternoon treatment. Come along quietly.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9487/headlock6eh.jpg

[The Noob]

Now, now. It's time for your afternoon treatment. Come along quietly.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9487/headlock6eh.jpg

If you wouldn't be a Woman you would here some very bad words now. :shifty:

[XabbaRus]

Can we please stop feeding the troll.

[The Noob]

I'm no Troll! :stare:

[GreyOctober]

I'm no Troll! :stare:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Though we know youre kidding :lol:

http://www.dqshrine.com/dq/dq3/troll.jpg

[The Noob]

No, i'm Really no "Internet-Troll". My reasons are real, i do not post just to post Bullsh!t, my posts are meaned serious.

Read your own article next time!

In forums where most users are similar to each other, outsiders may be perceived as trolls simply because they do not fit into the social norms of that group. It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between a user who merely has different values, views, or ideas, and a user who is intentionally trolling.

I just have different views. I'm Communist.

But i will stop to post my political thoughts to prevent getting problems with moderators/Admins.

[GreyOctober]

Hmmm, ok, my appologies sir.

Dont know where are you from but if youre from a country that has never seen communism at work then youre totally mistaken. Communism is not good from any perspective you may look at it. Trust me.

And if you trully are a communist, what motivates you? Is it just for show, to be different? What do you do as a communist in a world driven by capitalism? Im just curious.

One more thing: communism will NEVER win. the world has seen enough of its destructive ways and will never accept it again.

I read your post now 3 times and the more i read it, the more disturbing i find it, sorry to say. I hope youre not offended.

Cheers!

[The Noob]

Hmmm, ok, my appologies sir.


No Problem. As the article says such mistakes can easily happened.


Dont know where are you from but if youre from a country that has never seen communism at work then youre totally mistaken. Communism is not good from any perspective you may look at it. Trust me.

I'm from germany. But as i already said, you cannot change my way of thinking, so pleaso do not try it. It leads to nothing constructive.


One more thing: communism will NEVER win. the world has seen enough of its destructive ways and will never accept it again.


See above.


And if you trully are a communist, what motivates you? Is it just for show, to be different? What do you do as a communist in a world driven by capitalism? Im just curious.

My motivation is to be not one of those capitalists who squeese every cent out of the Normal worker. What do i do as a communist in a world driven by capitalism? Trying to survive with as less supporting the capitalists as possible.



I read your post now 3 times and the more i read it, the more disturbing i find it, sorry to say. I hope youre not offended.


I wouldn't like to remove my most heartfelt statement ever just because some capitalist finds it disturbing.

I do not want to offend any of you, i just made my point clear. I hope me and this community can still have a relationship as we had before i outet myself as communist.

[The Avon Lady]

So, Noob, tell us all the reasons why you "love" Stalin.

[The Noob]

So, Noob, tell us all the reasons why you "love" Stalin.

Under comrade stalin, there was discipline! Discipline and order are needed amont citizens to Sucsesfully running a Country. And most people had sometihng to eat. Ecsept in WW2, but that was because the Germans stated a very Ecspensive war with the Soviet union.
Yes, stalin had his Failures and Errors too, but he was better that this guy Putin or Gorbacev or however it's Written.

Are you all really so interestet what i think?

:hmm:

Maybe i shall write a book?

:hmm:

[bradclark1]

But i will stop to post my political thoughts to prevent getting problems with moderators/Admins.

It's not against anybodies law to be a commie. I don't think you have to worry about be sensored for posting your political thoughts. This is a free society not a communist one.......Sorry couldn't resist. :D

[The Avon Lady]

Are you aware that Stalin is responsible for the murder of some 20 to 30 million people?

This is your hero?

:nope:

You want discipline? Join the Boy Scouts!

[STEED]

Under comrade stalin, there was discipline! Discipline and order are needed amont citizens to Sucsesfully running a Country. And most people had sometihng to eat.
:hmm:

Tell that to the people in Ukraine 1932-1933 millions killed in the largest national catastrophe of the Ukrainian nation in modern history, the famine was caused by the deliberate policies of the government of the Soviet Union.

[GreyOctober]

Need a refresher Noob? HERE:

The crimes of Communism

According to Stéphane Courtois, writing in the introduction to The Black Book of Communism, using a rather liberal definition of crime, approximately 100 million deaths have resulted from the crimes of Communism over its 85 year history. He includes 20 million deaths in the Soviet Union including executions of hostages and prisoners without trial and killing of hundreds of thousands of rebellious workers and peasants during the period of 1918 to 1922; the famine of 1922, five million deaths; the extermination and deportation of the Don Cossacks, 1920; killing of 100s of thousands in concentration camps, 1918 to 1930; liquidation of 690,00 during the Great Purge; deportation of 2 million kulaks 1930-1932; deaths of 4 million Ukrainians and 2 million others during the induced famine of 1932-1933; deportation of hundreds of thousands of Poles, Ukrainians, Balts, Moldovans and Bessarabians 1939-1941 and 1944-1945; deportation of the Volga Germans, 1941; deportation of the Crimean Tatars, 1943; deportation of the Chechens, 1944; and deportation of the Ingush, 1944. He also includes 65 million deaths in the People's Republic of China, many in the famine associated with the Great Leap Forward; 1 million in Vietnam; 2 million in Cambodia, one fourth of the population; 1 million in Eastern Europe; 150,000 in Latin America; 1.7 million in Africa; 1.5 million in Afganistan; and 10,000 by Communist parties not in power and the international Communist movement.

How about 30 years of communism in Romania brought us to our knees and the fact that we may need another 30-40 years to recover?

What are YOU thinking?!

[The Noob]

*Deleted by Request*

[STEED]

Are you aware that Stalin is responsible for the murder of some 20 to 30 million people?


So What?
Those he killed were either Traitors, or enemeys of war!
No Mercy with Facists! :nope:

You really must learn your history.

Millions were killed and were innocent.

[The Avon Lady]

Are you aware that Stalin is responsible for the murder of some 20 to 30 million people?


So What?
Those he killed were either Traitors, or enemeys of war!
No Mercy with Facists! :nope:
You really must learn your history.
He most probably has a great Pravda back-issue collection.

[The Noob]

...and now it morphs into flaming...

Anyway, i go to sleep now, so i will post answeres tomorrow if i wake up.

Goodnight. :zzz:

[bradclark1]

Noob,
Have you read a biography of Stalin? I'd say you haven't. Stalin was not a communist. He was one of the worlds bloodiest tyrants plain and simple.

[Ducimus]

I can't beleive i took the time to write a couple responses back in this thread. I want those 10 mins of my life back! What a waste!

[Oberon]

I have three words:

What the F**k?

Noob...which side of Germany do you live in...East or West? Admittedly that's a moot point now.
Now, I'm a left-wing kinda guy, I like the idea of Communism and the idea of everyone being equal...but this isn't an equal world and no matter what you do, there's always going to be one man who reckons he's better and bigger than everyone else, and there'll always be the sheep that follow him (or indeed for that matter, her).
In an ideal world Communism would work, and work well...but this isn't an ideal world, far from it.
I hate to break this to you, but Stalin betrayed the revolution, he worked himself in the shadows, moving around in jobs that no-one wanted, heck, I'm not gonna deny that the guy worked hard and perhaps, to some extent he helped get Russia through the 'Great Patriotic War' but for humanitarian crimes, he was up there with the other guy, and the control he, as one man, had over the country...I sincerely doubt that is true communism.
Like I said, this ain't a perfect world, and it's occupants aren't either.

[STEED]

Wow what a statement oberon is really http://www.langkawi.dk/midis/9.gif off.

[Oberon]

Wow what a statement oberon is really http://www.langkawi.dk/midis/9.gif off.

:D

Nah, I'm just warming up ;)

I just hate it when people get so blinkered through nationalistic pride (or the belief that one form of government is superior to another) that they cast aside all logical thought and choose not to see the facts as they are presented to them. We know the crimes against humanity commited under Stalins regime, whether or not this was done with Stalins precise authorisation is a little harder to know or whether it was more the actions of the 'yes men' (or indeed 'Da taravichs', if I've written that right) around him, although with that many people being killed some word would have had to have gotten through to him.
It's attitudes like this that let history repeat itself.

Noob, you are quite welcome to your own opinions, this is a democratic nation or so it says on the tin, but just consider whether you'd be writing on the internet, on a computer in your home under the regime of someone like Stalin, or if you did, whether you'd be allowed to talk to people on the other side of the 'Iron Curtain', or indeed allowed to know the truth of things going on over here.
For a good example of communism in the modern age, go to China.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4088702.stm

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/24/D8FBCF686.html

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,56195,00.html

[STEED]

Very well said. :up:

[August]

This topic has been seriously derailed. I'm just sayin...

[The Avon Lady]

This topic has been seriously derailed. I'm just sayin...
Back on topic:

Amir Taheri sticks to his original story (http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19508).

[The Noob]

I hate to break this to you, but Stalin betrayed the revolution, he worked himself in the shadows, moving around in jobs that no-one wanted, heck, I'm not gonna deny that the guy worked hard and perhaps, to some extent he helped get Russia through the 'Great Patriotic War' but for humanitarian crimes, he was up there with the other guy, and the control he, as one man, had over the country...I sincerely doubt that is true communism.


You are right. I just Read a Book today about Communism and the Soviet leaders.

It really opened my Eyes on Stalin. :nope:
But i'm Still a Commie.

And one more thing: Don't be so negative Oberon. It destroys you slowly.

Now we can go back to Topic. :P