View Full Version : Ahmadinejad’s letter to Bush
Ducimus
05-09-06, 08:08 PM
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0605/transcript.lemonde.letter/
It might sound strange, especially after I called him "a complete ass" on this forum, but...
I seriously agree with him on this one :doh:
Luckily for him, of course, he said nothing of himself or iran so naturally, it doesn't convince me at all - but he's got GW's number right, at least. :hmm:
Ducimus
05-09-06, 08:20 PM
I is ignant i is. Yup yup.
Whats, (PBUH)?
EDIT:
Nevermind, i read some of the fine print. It amazes me how politics and religion are indivisble to these people.
Sea Demon
05-09-06, 08:28 PM
It might sound strange, especially after I called him "a complete ass" on this forum, but...
I seriously agree with him on this one :doh:
...........etc. etc.
- but he's got GW's number right, at least. :hmm:
:hmm: It looks to me like he is trying to get your type of reaction from left-leaning people who reside in the West. This sounds like a rant produced from the office of Howard Dean himself.
The whole letter is BS. :roll:
Ducimus
05-09-06, 08:32 PM
I can't force myself to read past page 2 without some hip waders.
I don't find it any more BS than most other political documents, just that it's obviously skewed to defend his position. There's nothing extraordinary in this, it's the usual half-truths and rhethoric focused around a certain side of the argument. We all obviously know what Mr. Iran Guy really thinks, so it's not like this letter suddenly changes our view. Yes, even those like myself who I assure you are well to the left of Howard Dean :P
TteFAboB
05-09-06, 08:55 PM
Pathetic. Primitive, childish, hypocritical, he has no authority to speak on many matters, human rights, progress, media, Jesus Christ, etc..
Probably meant to impress the simple minds.
Probably meant to impress the simple minds.
Isn't that what politicians usually do? :hmm:
TteFAboB
05-09-06, 08:59 PM
Probably meant to impress the simple minds.
Isn't that what politicians usually do? :hmm:
All too often.
Sea Demon
05-09-06, 11:14 PM
I don't find it any more BS than most other political documents, just that it's obviously skewed to defend his position. There's nothing extraordinary in this, it's the usual half-truths and rhethoric focused around a certain side of the argument. We all obviously know what Mr. Iran Guy really thinks, so it's not like this letter suddenly changes our view. Yes, even those like myself who I assure you are well to the left of Howard Dean :P
Oh. OK. I see what you mean. In that case, yeah. I agree with you. :smug:
Yeah, statements like this are really little to go by. He's honestly accomplishing nothing with Bush himself, and I think the real goal of all this is not to make Bush look bad to the Americans - the Americans have heard it all before. Just another smokescreen.
He's done a fine job outlining old and well-known criticisms - of course you heard this from Howard Dean, because Howard Dean was there well before Mr. Iran Guy. But all of this means nothing. Just a smokescreen to throw over things. It's rather obvious he's playing for time, as he has been for a while, as he will be until things move.
So, let Mr. Iran Guy talk - we know that Mr. Bush is not listening to him. Who is really listening to him, I'm not sure. Surely not even that liberal nightmare Howard Dean :lol: . At this rate, I predict that things will move starting from Israel. Israel are the only ones here who have a lot to lose from not moving; Iran is in no position to flex anything but rhethoric, the US have nothing but rhethoric as incentive to move right now - it'll take a push for them to start moving. The best I can hope for is that this push is not mis-directed as it was with Iraq, and takes reality into account over rhethorical goals.
DeepSix
05-10-06, 12:33 AM
I'm no fundamentalist, especially when it comes to signs and omens and end-of-the-world scenarios, but the way this guy talks he sounds like the anti-Christ. :-?
It's not THAT bad. Many of the things he mentions, like Guantanamo Bay and the West overthrowing Iran's democratic government in the '50s, are legitimate grievances and genuine examples of hypocrisy.
I think the problem is that his actual positions are far more extreme than those espoused in the letter. The letter itself is rational for the most part.
Whats, (PBUH)?
I believe that is shorthand for 'peace be upon him'.
Gizzmoe
05-10-06, 04:56 AM
I believe that is shorthand for 'peace be upon him'.
No, it´s "Praise Be Unto Him".
Skybird
05-10-06, 05:09 AM
He should write for Hollywood. Had emptied my cleenex box before end of page two. His ghostwrtier surely knows what buttons to push to make my eyes drowning.
I would read the whole letter and even reflect upon it seriously - if it would have been written by anyone but not this gangster.
Takes more than an serious letter. Takes more than an honourable sender. Takes both. One missing, and the whole thing is ruined.
But there are enough emtpyheads in Europe who will love it and feel "encouraged" that reason is there and a solution is possible, if only we do this... and if we do that... and if we change... and if we... we... we...
Words. Schall und Rauch.
rogerbo
05-10-06, 06:08 AM
For me it's just a sum up of many point's GEB was asked before (with out giving a good answer) however if you did follow what ahmedinadjad did say since he's President then tha's just his way to stir up smoke. He's and his Ajatolahs in the back are in no position at all to ask Questions like that.
He's constant denial of the Holocoast is hilarious and disqualifys him for any comment. I was not surprised that to the end of the letter religion came (I did many times have discusion with Moslims about various themes but they always do land in the Religion).
Iran does have to many problems in their own Country so all what that Windblower is doing is to blind his own People so they don't see what the whole regime did since they'r on top.
Sadly the Iranian Ppl. are blinded by their Religious leaders (even worse then the Chinese by their Gov.).
DeepSix
05-10-06, 06:42 AM
...I think the problem is that his actual positions are far more extreme than those espoused in the letter. The letter itself is rational for the most part.
Of course - that's why he's the anti-Christ. Even the devil can quote scripture. ;)
Pretty much agree with what the others here have said...my opinion on Bush and his foreign policy is pretty much in agreement with CCIP for example, yet I feel no call to follow Iran guy's call to come to "His God" any more than Bush's. He did lose me on the Holocaust thing as well. Oh well, one hypocrite religious nut writing to another more powerful hypocritical religious nut.
Ducimus
05-10-06, 07:29 PM
More fun reading!
Dear Mahmoud
How Bush should respond to the Iranian president's letter.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Wednesday, May 10, 2006, at 6:41 PM ET
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's 18-page letter to President Bush is a bizarre document. Condoleezza Rice is right to say that it fails to address any of the issues on the table. (Contrary to some initial reports, it doesn't call for talks of any sort.) Even the Wall Street Journal editorial page isn't off the mark in likening the letter's philosophical depth to that of the Unabomber's soliloquies.
http://www.slate.com/id/2141589/
tycho102
05-11-06, 12:46 PM
If I was President of the United States, you know how I'd reply to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's letter?
NUTS! (http://www.thedropzone.org/europe/Bulge/kinnard.html)
MadMike
05-11-06, 01:01 PM
Mahmoud Hitler is at it again-
"JAKARTA, Indonesia
Iran's president on Thursday called Israel's government a "regime based on evil," but also said he was ready to negotiate with the United States and other countries over his country's nuclear program.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has previously said Israel should be wiped off the map, also told a cheering crowd of students in Indonesia's capital that the Jewish state "cannot continue and one day will vanish."
Students in the crowd held up posters saying "Iran in our Hearts," and "Nuclear for Peace."
Ahmadinejad made his comments after key U.N. Security Council members agreed to present Tehran with a choice of incentives or sanctions in deciding whether to suspend uranium enrichment.
The Iranian leader told Indonesia's Metro TV station that he was unconcerned about the possibility of U.N. sanctions, saying the West had more to lose than Iran did if the country was isolated.
"We do not need to be dependent on others," he said, adding international isolation would serve only to "motivate" the country's nuclear scientists."
Ducimus
05-11-06, 01:06 PM
If I was President of the United States, you know how I'd reply to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's letter?
NUTS! (http://www.thedropzone.org/europe/Bulge/kinnard.html)
Thats too uniquely american. It's really not that well known in our current culture anyway. Nobody would get it, least of all the nutjob.
If I was President of the United States, you know how I'd reply to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's letter?
NUTS! (http://www.thedropzone.org/europe/Bulge/kinnard.html)
Thats too uniquely american. It's really not that well known in our current culture anyway. Nobody would get it, least of all the nutjob.
Yeah the Germans didn't understand Tony McAuliffe original either.
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.