Carriers

[bigboywooly]

Hi was just answering a post somewhere else in here and that got me thinking about the lack of carriers in the game

The British had 24 Fleet carriers all told and a further 62 escort carriers although 17 were merchantile conversions and the bulk of the rest were US

The dutch had 3 merchantile conversions

Even the Free French had 1 !!!

And not counting the 36 US fleet carriers or the 121 escort carriers

Hmmm lacking a bit in the game somewhat eh !!!

[phatmatt]

Germany also had an aircraft carrier the Graf Zeppelin but it was never commissioned. Actually two were constructed "Carrier A"(later named the Graf Zeppelin) and "Carrier B" (never finished) which was abandoned in 1940 and broken up.

More on the Graf Zeppelin can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_carrier_Graf_Zeppelin

[bigboywooly]

while would be nice to see the zeppelin cant sink that hehe be nice to see some other classes of english carriers as only 1 type in the game plus the bogue

[CCIP]

I don't know, seeing how many the folks in the 11.Flottille over at WaW sunk, I'd say there's anything but a lack of them :hmm:

Heck, even I've managed to sink one!

[The_Blockade_Runner]

I am sure that aircraft carriers will be a BIG part of SH4 :rock:

Also, can u imagine being a jap sub and going to Pearl Harbor to watch the attack!

[bigboywooly]

yeah that would be cool

all those big US target hmmm

still could do with a few more carriers in sh3 even in convoys

[CptGrayWolf]

I'm curious to know who spotted a carrier in the stock game, and what was it's escort coverage like. :ping:

[VonHelsching]

Hi was just answering a post somewhere else in here and that got me thinking about the lack of carriers in the game

The British had 24 Fleet carriers all told and a further 62 escort carriers although 17 were merchantile conversions and the bulk of the rest were US

The dutch had 3 merchantile conversions

Even the Free French had 1 !!!

And not counting the 36 US fleet carriers or the 121 escort carriers

Hmmm lacking a bit in the game somewhat eh !!!

Well you might be right, but then there were hundreds of merchants running around to keep the uboats busy, so you may say that the u-boats were not actually hunting escort carriers (well apart from the Alternative timeline mod)

[bigboywooly]

I spotted an Illustrious class in the stock game but it came with 6 detroyers and 2 Fiji light cruisers - i came steaming out of Lorient in a 1XB in 41 straight into the task force. Managed to loose of a salvo of 4 of which 2 hit.It went bow down then carried on at 16 kts while i spent an hour in the mud with dc all around. Still was nice to have a go at

[AG124]

Also, can u imagine being a jap sub and going to Pearl Harbor to watch the attack!

all those big US target hmmm

Actually, SHIV has been announced as a US Sub Sim now, despite earlier reports of being based on Japanese subs. But Japanese carriers would be a large part of a US sub game;s experience too.

[perisher]

I'm curious to know who spotted a carrier in the stock game, and what was it's escort coverage like. :ping:

I found one at anchor in Scapa Flow.

[El Dude]

Played this sim a year now but not seen a single carrier or BB, dont think i have even seen a cruiser either :stare:

[bigboywooly]

wow not seen any of those for a year ? came across a Fiji light cruiser in a convoy last night - 1 torp at 7.3m mag and boom

have also come across a nelson with 2 cruiser and 6 or 7 destroyers too but alas no chance of letting loose at that lot steaming along at 25 kts

Thats what makes a good patrol bumping into some of the big stuff other than the usual corvette frigate or destroyer - you may not always get to have a shot but is nice to see them steaming along

[CptGrayWolf]

I'm curious to know who spotted a carrier in the stock game, and what was it's escort coverage like. :ping:

I found one at anchor in Scapa Flow.

Scapa Flow eh...I'm not too far from there now :hmm:

[Der Eisen-Wal]

are there sub traps in the scapa flow? i'm thinking of going up there for a visit sometime. but i play 96% real/vanilla so no external cams.

2 years in and i bagged my first C Class Destroyer last night :) sailing across at night at an easy 7 knots. i put 2 in him just for all the pain those DDs cause me :yep:

[Cerberus]

I found one at anchor in Scapa Flow.

I trust you persuaded it to spend more time with its anchor?

[El Dude]

wow not seen any of those for a year ? came across a Fiji light cruiser in a convoy last night - 1 torp at 7.3m mag and boom

have also come across a nelson with 2 cruiser and 6 or 7 destroyers too but alas no chance of letting loose at that lot steaming along at 25 kts

Thats what makes a good patrol bumping into some of the big stuff other than the usual corvette frigate or destroyer - you may not always get to have a shot but is nice to see them steaming along

Mmm that sounds cool, what mods are you using?

[Lzs von swe]

I'm curious to know who spotted a carrier in the stock game, and what was it's escort coverage like. :ping:

I ran into a taskforce in cg87 on 17 dec -41 at ca 01.00. I did not have time to get closer then about 3000m so I´m not sure, but as I remember there was 6 destroyers, 1 fleetcarrier and 1 Nelson class battleship. The Nelson sank at 01.51 after two torpedohits.

[Sailor Steve]

I've seen a few cruisers in convoys, and one task force while off Ireland on my way to the Atlantic. I managed to put two or three into the carrier, and it showed up as sunk on the map, partially due to the heavy weather. I didn't get credit for it though.

Maybe it was neutral. :rotfl:

[bigboywooly]

wow not seen any of those for a year ? came across a Fiji light cruiser in a convoy last night - 1 torp at 7.3m mag and boom

have also come across a nelson with 2 cruiser and 6 or 7 destroyers too but alas no chance of letting loose at that lot steaming along at 25 kts

Thats what makes a good patrol bumping into some of the big stuff other than the usual corvette frigate or destroyer - you may not always get to have a shot but is nice to see them steaming along

Mmm that sounds cool, what mods are you using?


Am using grey wolves v1 and 1.1 but all shipping is stock as playing in the wolfpack campaign so am using their .scr too

[bookworm_020]

Did anyone know that the Italians had an aircraft carrier? They converted the passinger ship Roma, but it wasn't finnished before Italy was knocked out of the war.

[perisher]

Even if Germany or Italy had completed their carriers, they lacked suitable aircraft to operate from them. The JU87 Stuka might have converted ok, but they lacked a fighter that would have stood up to carrier operations. The BF109's landing gear was too narrow to provide stability on a moving deck.

[AG124]

Did anyone know that the Italians had an aircraft carrier? They converted the passinger ship Roma, but it wasn't finnished before Italy was knocked out of the war.

Yes, she was to be renamed Aquila, and was scuttled incomplete to avoid capture. :yep: Post-war, the wreck was salvaged but was too badly damaged to be worth completing and thus was scrapped.

Also, many people do not know that the Italians converted a second liner into the carrier Sparviero. She would have been similar to the HMS Argus in appearance. She was never completed and suffered the same fate as the Aquila.

http://warships.web4u.cz/tridy.php?language=E&stat=ITA&typ=CV

[El Dude]

wow not seen any of those for a year ? came across a Fiji light cruiser in a convoy last night - 1 torp at 7.3m mag and boom

have also come across a nelson with 2 cruiser and 6 or 7 destroyers too but alas no chance of letting loose at that lot steaming along at 25 kts

Thats what makes a good patrol bumping into some of the big stuff other than the usual corvette frigate or destroyer - you may not always get to have a shot but is nice to see them steaming along

Mmm that sounds cool, what mods are you using?


Am using grey wolves v1 and 1.1 but all shipping is stock as playing in the wolfpack campaign so am using their .scr too

Ok thanks, stock shipping here too i guess i am just unlucky not meeting them then.

[bookworm_020]

That did convert the Bf 109's for carrier ops. The T version was built in two mods, T-O with catapult and arrestor gear and T1 with gear removed - it was used for training. They weren't used on carriers (of couse!) but were used in Norway as interceptors.

The Italians were planning a similar thing with one of there fighters (Ra 202?, I know the 202 is correct but not sure on the correct letter abrevation) but never went ahead with it.

[perisher]

Yeah, but would they have stood up to carrier ops?

Look at the Seafire, in the air it was all but unbeatable but it was plagued with deck accidents which were mostly due to its weak and narrow undercarriage (which had been beefed up from the original Spitfire's). Several sources quote 20 lost in deck accidents for every single aircraft lost to enemy action. For sustained carrier ops an aircraft had to trade off a little perfomance in return for strong, and wide, landing gear, like the Hellcat.

Off hand, I cannot think of any aircraft that was originally designed for land use becoming a totally successful carrier aircraft, can you?

[VonHelsching]

In order to "raise" the possibilities of locating carriers, BBs, cruisers etc., I would suggest that you install SH3 Gen. Check the thread in the mods section.

I couldn't imagine the game without it.

[El Dude]

In order to "raise" the possibilities of locating carriers, BBs, cruisers etc., I would suggest that you install SH3 Gen. Check the thread in the mods section.

I couldn't imagine the game without it.

Thanks for the tip VonHelsching, will give that one a try.

[bigboywooly]

Took the tip of installing sh3gen and ran of first map update-my patrol grid was nowhere near scapa flow but it said the ark royal and 2 armed merchant cruisers ? possibly so i though oh what the heck and negotiated my way into scapa only to find 1 fiji well i sunk that and as would happen comp froze so rebooted and ran sh3gen again from same save point - again gave me same ships in scapa plus the fiji - lol - think i will stick to my patrol grid this time but will carry on some more with it and see how i get on in future

[Captain Affenschwanz]

I'm curious to know who spotted a carrier in the stock game, and what was it's escort coverage like.

January, 1944: I left Bordeaux and had just cleared the Bay of Biscay when I came across a Bogue Class carrier with an escort of 8 various types of destroyers. I sank it with 4 fish fired from 2.5 meters. What a rush!

It was the first large warship I've encountered in 24 patrols. What really amazed me was that I was able to get away unmolested.