"Israel Will Be Annihilated."

[Onkel Neal]

I tell ya, he sounds remarkably like Hitler. I guess we should stand by and see if he he means it. ...

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1843031&page=1

TEHRAN, Iran Apr 14, 2006 (AP)— The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really happened.

"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

On Friday, he repeated his previous line on the Holocaust, saying: "If such a disaster is true, why should the people of this region pay the price? Why does the Palestinian nation have to be suppressed and have its land occupied?"

The land of Palestine, he said, referring to the British mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, "will be freed soon."

If this happens, and we did nothing to prevent it, we all should hang our heads in shame and name our children Neville.

[Perilscope]

I tell ya, he sounds remarkably like Hitler.I am afraid that it is Hitler, reincarnated!:nope:

I feel sorry for Israel... :cry:

[blue3golf]

That comment is great except for the fact Israel would roll through Iran like crap through a goose.

[bradclark1]

The guys just a nut running off at the mouth. I don't understand why the media even reports his crap.

[Onkel Neal]

He may be running his mouth, Brad, that's true. But he may also have an agenda with his god, to rid his Holy Land of the Jews. He sure seems like he has convictions. I guess if a guy down my street kept screaming "I'm gonna kill you, soon as I finish the bomb I'm building in my garage!"... I wouldn't sit around and wait and see.

When an elected national leader repeatedly threatens another country.... think it's time to take him seriously.

[TLAM Strike]

I guess if a guy down my street kept screaming "I'm gonna kill you, soon as I finish the bomb I'm building in my garage!"... I wouldn't sit around and wait and see.So that’s why everyone is moving out of my neighborhood. I didn’t realize I was so loud. :hmm:

Oh well back to work on my 'Photon Torpedo'… :ping:

[Onkel Neal]

:lol:

[JSLTIGER]

I guess if a guy down my street kept screaming "I'm gonna kill you, soon as I finish the bomb I'm building in my garage!"... I wouldn't sit around and wait and see.So that’s why everyone is moving out of my neighborhood. I didn’t realize I was so loud. :hmm:

Oh well back to work on my 'Photon Torpedo'… :ping:


What, not willing to fork over the extra dough for the quantum model? :rotfl: :rotfl:

[CCIP]

Frankly, I'm surprised Israel hasn't done anything yet :hmm:

Seems quite unlike them, anyway.

[JSLTIGER]

Frankly, I'm surprised Israel hasn't done anything yet :hmm:

Seems quite unlike them, anyway.

I'd imagine that several countries are restraining Israel by continuing to NOT support the Hamas-led government (i.e. withholding funds) . Israel probably cut a deal to keep their mouths relatively shut and allow the world to handle the situation in return for this gesture from the rest of the world.

[kiwi_2005]

Another anti-christ :hmm:

World war 3 will begin in the yr 2009

:88)

[MadMike]

Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Ahmadinejad- The Legacy Continues-

From Wikipedia-

"In 1979, Ahmadinejad was the head representative of IUST to the unofficial student gatherings that occasionally met with the Ayatollah Khomeini. These sessions created the foundations of the first Office for Strengthening Unity (daftar-e tahkim-e vahdat), the student organization to which several members behind the seizure of the United States embassy belonged (this would become the Iran hostage crisis). Ahmadinejad became a member of the Office of Strengthening Unity. Before the seizure of the embassy, he had suggested a simultaneous or similar attempt against the Soviet Union embassy, but was voted down, resulting in independent pursuit of the idea by its proponents. [citation needed]

He joined the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps in 1986 during the Iran-Iraq War. After training at the headquarters, he saw action in extraterritorial covert operations against Kirkuk, Iraq. Later he also became the head engineer of the sixth army of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps and the head of the Corps' staff in the western provinces of Iran. After the war, he served as vice governor and governor of Maku and Khoy, an Advisor to the Minister of Culture and Islamic Guidance, and the governor of the then newly established Ardabil province from 1993 to October 1997."

Given the fact that Iranians heavily support (or founded) Hezbollah, don't look for "peace in the Middle East" anytime soon.

Yours, Mike

[TLAM Strike]

I guess if a guy down my street kept screaming "I'm gonna kill you, soon as I finish the bomb I'm building in my garage!"... I wouldn't sit around and wait and see.So that’s why everyone is moving out of my neighborhood. I didn’t realize I was so loud. :hmm:

Oh well back to work on my 'Photon Torpedo'… :ping:


What, not willing to fork over the extra dough for the quantum model? :rotfl: :rotfl:

The ‘may destroy the entire universe if used improperly’ disclaimer I saw in the DS9 tech manual put me off on that idea. ;)

[TteFAboB]

He's also forcing a dress code on women now.

Those Iranian prostitutes, walking around in sandals, just like infidels, showing the entire front of their feet, and the lax head-gear which don't even resemble a burka at all, they must be annihilated too!

[mog]

Ahhh lay off Neville Chamberlain.

How conveniently people forget that while he was postponing the war, he was overseeing a massive military build-up without which Britain would have been up the creek.

[Sixpack]

The nutter is cleary in need of a beheading :x

If military action against his insane regime would prove inevitable, I suggest the West first demands and secures 'guarantees' from as many Islamic countries as possible, esp. Iran's neighbours, to accept the measures and not in any way interfere. Best would be if they'd participate or at least somehow practically support the action to keep the operation as short and smooth as possible, but fat chance ofcourse.... :shifty:

If they accept the terms we will not have to put up with any of their opportunistic 'diplomatic' crap let alone demands or twisting of facts in the future.

If they wouldnt accept, we'll know for a cold hard fact the enemy is not just Iran and we can include that in future plans.

In other words, I want it down in a solid contract first.

[Skybird]

If military action against his insane regime would prove inevitable, I suggest the West first demands and secures 'guarantees' from as many Islamic countries as possible, esp. Iran's neighbours, to accept the measures and not in any way interfere. Best would be if they'd participate or at least somehow practically support the action to keep the operation as short and smooth as possible, but fat chance ofcourse.... :shifty:
:rotfl: Good luck. You'll need truckloads of it.
Ouch, and you forgot the Russians, having massive financial interests that Iran is not being attacked and being able to influence european decision-making due to the increasing energy-imports from Russia (gas, GASPROM just threatened to reduce the ammount of gas deleiveries if it is hindered to take over parts of the European market: a first taste of things to come)), and China, with interests leading even further. People seem to be unaware that the outcome with Iran - will massively influence the situation in the pacific region as well - diplomacy and economy-wise as well as with regard to hard military facts.

[Happy Times]

:rotfl: Good luck. You'll need truckloads of it.
Ouch, and you forgot the Russians, having massive financial interests that Iran is not being attacked and being able to influence european decision-making due to the increasing energy-imports from Russia (gas, GASPROM just threatened to reduce the ammount of gas deleiveries if it is hindered to take over parts of the European market: a first taste of things to come)), and China, with interests leading even further. People seem to be unaware that the outcome with Iran - will massively influence the situation in the pacific region as well - diplomacy and economy-wise as well as with regard to hard military facts X2 Good post and hope that people start to see the big picture. Everytime ive tried to point these facts some people just dismiss it and continue their rants :roll:

[Kapitan]

Im just waiting for avons responce :D

[micky1up]

i dont think the west need bother with military action just wait till their close to a bomb and israel will go in anyway as they have in the past

[Fish]

Im just waiting for avons responce :D

She promised to feed here kids properly at least one day a week, Sabbat. :)

[bradclark1]

He may be running his mouth, Brad, that's true. But he may also have an agenda with his god, to rid his Holy Land of the Jews. He sure seems like he has convictions. I guess if a guy down my street kept screaming "I'm gonna kill you, soon as I finish the bomb I'm building in my garage!"... I wouldn't sit around and wait and see.

When an elected national leader repeatedly threatens another country.... think it's time to take him seriously.

I'm not saying he's not dangerous. Right now he's just running off at the mouth for media attention and tweaking the tigers nose and the media rewards him.

[The Noob]

It's Cold war All Over Again. No Side will Strike. Cos Both Are Big Military Powers. if USA Attacks Them, Both Countrys will get Destroyed.

[mapuc]

Frankly, I'm surprised Israel hasn't done anything yet :hmm:

Seems quite unlike them, anyway.

And you will not see them do anything, if Iran isn't attacking Israel, then Israel will return fire offcourse

No it will be USA that's gonna wipe out the threat from Iran.

It's a very delicate situation in the area and if Israel should make a preemptiv strike against Iran it could make thing worse down there and that's why USA have put a pressure on Israel, not to do anything unless they are attacked.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

:rotfl: Good luck. You'll need truckloads of it.
Ouch, and you forgot the Russians, having massive financial interests that Iran is not being attacked and being able to influence european decision-making due to the increasing energy-imports from Russia (gas, GASPROM just threatened to reduce the ammount of gas deleiveries if it is hindered to take over parts of the European market: a first taste of things to come)), and China, with interests leading even further. People seem to be unaware that the outcome with Iran - will massively influence the situation in the pacific region as well - diplomacy and economy-wise as well as with regard to hard military facts X2 Good post and hope that people start to see the big picture. Everytime ive tried to point these facts some people just dismiss it and continue their rants :roll:

I hope I don't come across as ranting about this, just posting a news article and a simple observation. Do I think Russia would oppose intervention in Iran? They would oppose it, just as they opposed it in Iraq. Big deal. Any action, even right ones, come with a price.

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"Issues are not always black and white, but decisions should be,
and actions must be."
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[August]

It's Cold war All Over Again. No Side will Strike. Cos Both Are Big Military Powers. if USA Attacks Them, Both Countrys will get Destroyed.

I understand the US is a big military power but who is the other one? Certainly not Iran.

[Abraham]

He may be running his mouth, Brad, that's true. But he may also have an agenda with his god, to rid his Holy Land of the Jews. He sure seems like he has convictions. I guess if a guy down my street kept screaming "I'm gonna kill you, soon as I finish the bomb I'm building in my garage!"... I wouldn't sit around and wait and see.

When an elected national leader repeatedly threatens another country.... think it's time to take him seriously.

I'm not saying he's not dangerous. Right now he's just running off at the mouth for media attention and tweaking the tigers nose and the media rewards him.
He's doing slightly more that "just ranting his mouth for media attention". He's actually making all the necessairy preparations to realise his dream. Iran is devellopping Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles and has a nuclear program that could well be used to devellop nuclear weapons. Those things, combined with those words, makes Ahmadinejad a bit too much alike to Hitler in the mid 1930s, claiming the right to rearm and predicting the destruction of Israel.

[Happy Times]

:rotfl: Good luck. You'll need truckloads of it.
Ouch, and you forgot the Russians, having massive financial interests that Iran is not being attacked and being able to influence european decision-making due to the increasing energy-imports from Russia (gas, GASPROM just threatened to reduce the ammount of gas deleiveries if it is hindered to take over parts of the European market: a first taste of things to come)), and China, with interests leading even further. People seem to be unaware that the outcome with Iran - will massively influence the situation in the pacific region as well - diplomacy and economy-wise as well as with regard to hard military facts X2 Good post and hope that people start to see the big picture. Everytime ive tried to point these facts some people just dismiss it and continue their rants :roll:

I hope I don't come across as ranting about this, just posting a news article and a simple observation. Do I think Russia would oppose intervention in Iran? They would oppose it, just as they opposed it in Iraq. Big deal. Any action, even right ones, come with a price.

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.I ment the people that think things will turn out good with waiting, hoping and appeasement. They dont realise that this is about more than Irans nuclear program. The Iran conflict is only a result of the allways active process of changing balances of power in the world.

[Rockstar]

I tell ya, he sounds remarkably like Hitler.I am afraid that it is Hitler, reincarnated!:nope:

I feel sorry for Israel... :cry:

I thought Bush was hitler, Israel giving land back to the palistinians would appease aggressors and Blair was certain to be on his way out for supporting the war in Iraq.

sheeesh what was I thinking.

[The Avon Lady]

The guys just a nut running off at the mouth. I don't understand why the media even reports his crap.
"Europe cannot find peace until the Jewish question has been solved. …One thing I should like to say on this day [the sixth anniversary of his being appointed Chancellor of the Reich] which may be memorable for others as well as for us Germans. In the course of my life I have very often been a prophet and have usually been ridiculed for it. … Today I will once more be a prophet: if the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshivization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."
- Adolf Hitler, speech to the Reichstag, January 30, 1939

[DeepSix]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Iranian "president" one of the terrorists that took the Americans hostage in 1979?

[Onkel Neal]

There was some speculation on that but I never saw conclusive proof.

[Bort]

ABC brought a facial recognition expert on to compare and analyze the photos of the hosage taker and the president of Iran. He pretty much confirmed that the president was not the hostage taker, and showed that while the two look similar, they have diffent eyes, noses, eyebrows etc. so they probably aren't the same guy. They're both nutcases though! :o

[DeepSix]

Ok, thanks, guys. I had heard a while back that he was the terrorist, but never heard the end of the story. Thanks.

[kiwi_2005]

Im just waiting for avons responce

Apparently her PC crashed big time due to heavy use of google. :yep:

:-j

[Linton]

As this thread has degenerated into a discussion about Iran could I ask the Onkel with his petro chemical head on two questions?
1: How long does it take for oil from the Gulf to get to Europe and get turned into petrol?Prices here go up every day due to the spot price increasing but the stuff in the petrol stations must have been made months ago!
2:Iran has a lot of oil but I believe that foreign assistance is required to get to a lot of it-is this why they have a nuclear programme or is it purely for weapon purposes?Iran is a HUGE mountainous country and I don't think you will ever subdue it unless the population want regime change.

[Onkel Neal]

Probably takes 5-7 days to leave export dock and arrive at the refineries. It takes around 2 weeks- 18 days for a cargo to leave Algeria and arrive in Plaquemine, LA or Freeport, TX. Last time I heard there were around 22 or so major refineries in Western Europe, and only one that I know of built in the last 11 years. The US has not had a new refinery built in the last 20 years, mainly because the margins are really thin. No one wants to invest their money in new construction with so little to get in return. Of course, with prices climbing, that will change.

Yes, you are right, the barrel of gas coming out of the pump was bought long before you see it, often long before it comes out of the ground. But the owner of the station will often raise hi prices in anticipation of greater future costs to him when he buys more stocks. Of course, he runs the risk of getting undercut by competing stations, so he cannot go crazy with it.

Risk analysts use hedging future buying to make more money for their companies--they are experts at reading the events that can affect the price of oil and buying in advance. SW Airlines, for example, did really well with their long term purchase strategies, I heard on the radio that they had locked in prices at ~$35 bbl, so they were able to beat their competition in fares.

Right now there is a lot of justification for higher priced oil. China's demand for oil grows at a fast rate, there is more demand in Europe, who gets ~40% of their oil from the ME (US gets around 16% from ME, even with their so-called "war for oil"), and the supply from OPEC is nearing the max, meaning if a refinery, pipeline, or producer goes down, there will be more demand than supply. And prices will rise.

The best thing we can do is get smart and use less. Cutting back on auto trips, using less electricity, etc will slow demand (you know all that stuff, I'm sure), and eventually lower prices (or stop the rate of increase). If the US invades Iran and disrupts that supply, things will go nuts for a while, so if you can afford to build an underground tank of around 5000 bls, fill it at $70 crude-priced gasoline and hang on :D

PS: Iran would be no tougher than Afghanistan, same type of terrain, but yes, getting the populace to abide by occupation would be no easier than Iraq, probably a lot worse. That has to be taken into consideration.

[CCIP]

PS: Iran would be no tougher than Afghanistan, same type of terrain, but yes, getting the populace to abide by occupation would be no easier than Iraq, probably a lot worse. That has to be taken into consideration.

Yes, but you have to be careful in this comparison. The occupation of Afghanistan has been very different from Iraq, and I would personally doubt that coalition troops are to any real extent in control of Afghanistan. There has, for all purposes, not been a real ground war in Afghanistan - if there was, it was fought almost entirely by Afghans with some special involvement from coalition troops and a lot of air power. The occupation as it presently stands is limited to high-security bases in population centres with regular patrols to the outside; this is part of the reason why there's not much fighting against coalition troops - there's not much to fight for as they aren't really a factor to control.

If anything, a far more apt comparison would be with the Soviet experience in Afghanistan. And what I am saying that this is precisely what Americans would face in a ground war against Iran in a full-scale operation with a large amount of troops involved in direct fighting.

I hope there isn't anything outside of special operations on the ground - the cost in casualties would be completely unacceptable. Afghanistan is easy due to the complete lack of cohesion between its population; I'd argue that on the ground, there really isn't such a thing as a state of Afghanistan as we imagine it. Iran is a different story though.

I don't think there's an easy solution to the Iran problem, frankly, but I doubt that occupation is the best one.

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Otherwise, I do understand why Israel is keeping quiet; but is it not notorious for its effective and vicious use of pre-emption when threatened? I'd say it's about as direct a threat as they'll ever get. Of course, the vast amount of Israel's of military capacity is really based on a "make them pay" logic - that is, Israel is not by any means indestructible, but it has the capability to make anyone who even thinks of attacking them pay dearly for it.

I'm not a big fan of pre-emption, perhaps, but I'll say that - unlike some other countries - they've been incredibly efficient in pre-emption and defence by the way of attack. We're probably not at the point where they've been given a grave enough warning (and for all its awful rhetoric, Mr. Iran Guy's talk really shouldn't be taken as a true indicator), but unless there's been a real change in Israel's doctrine, I think it will eventually react. Whether the US will react before, at the same time or after that point is something that remains to be seen, but the clock is certainly ticking.

[Deathblow]

Man I wish fusion power would hurry up and get here so we could wipe our feet of all this stink. Guess the devil knew what he was doing when he put the world's most precious energy supplies right under the feet of the most fanatical...

[tycho102]

No one wants to invest their money in new construction with so little to get in return. Of course, with prices climbing, that will change.

Not only that, but companies cannot get the land-use license. Either it's flat out denied, or it gets shuffled around 10 different committees and costs millions in bribes to actually come up to a vote. It's the exact same problem that nuclear power plants have. It's just as difficult to build a nuke plant as it is to build a refinery. One of the things the past energy bill did was to provide insurance for companies when their licenses were held up in committee.

It's going to have to get worse before it becomes important enough to the average American. I say bring on $4 gas. If it hits $6, we will have riots, but $4 will give us the impetus to do something about dependence on foreign oil.

[Hitman]

Well, at least Ahmadinejad can't be angry if the US throws some nukes to his country. All in all, it's just using the same criteria he does: "I don't like you, I prefer you do not exist, so I nuke you", so he can't protest against that, it's just the US using his reasoning. In the end, looks as if he managed to convince the US about the benefits of that line of thinking :)

[The Avon Lady]

Well, at least Ahmadinejad can't be angry if the US throws some nukes to his country. All in all, it's just using the same criteria he does: "I don't like you, I prefer you do not exist, so I nuke you", so he can't protest against that, it's just the US using his reasoning. In the end, looks as if he managed to convince the US about the benefits of that line of thinking :)
No, it's not the same criteria.

The US has had nukes for decades and never declared their desire to destroy the little Satan known as Iran. It was the other way around - for decades. Yet you equate them.

Anyway, my boyfriend's back and your gonna be in trouble................ (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011157.php)

[Hitman]

Since it seems my irony wasn't noticeable enough, I say it directly: I was just being ironic about it all. No intention to equate Iran and the US in the way they treat nuclear power, obviously. Quite the contrary, in fact :-?

[kiwi_2005]

If this Iran want to blast the crap out of isreal, what is isreal prepareing to do about it? Are they going to rely on the Americans to do the job for them. Or is this a war isreal dont want so hopefully someone else with do the dirty work for them. :hmm: Doesn't Isreal have one of the best airforces in the world? I would rather see peace and an agreement come for isreal & iran, in fact wouldn't it be great to see world peace, and wars were a thing of the past. But this aint going to happen cos man has been killing each other from day one! Farkin maddness. So isreal should make the first move, maybe drop a nuke on them. Problem solved. :-j :lol:

[The Avon Lady]

If this Iran want to blast the crap out of isreal, what is isreal prepareing to do about it?
Hold on. I'll go out and ask the local grocery clerk and get back to you with a policy statement.

[STEED]

If this Iran want to blast the crap out of isreal, what is isreal prepareing to do about it?

Israel has one of the best intelligence services in the world, I am sure they know what's going on in Iran. Israel is watching this situation carefully and will act when the time comes.

[Oberon]

Israel is good at nuclear disarmament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera)

:up: :up: :up: :up:

[U-104]

:yep: :yep:

[NeonSamurai]

Sounds like yet more blustering from the usual sources that has been going on for decades now. Im sure Mosad and the Israli military is keeping an eye on them as always, as is the us, etc.

[The Avon Lady]

I spy, with my little eye,.......... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060425/wl_nm/israel_satellite_dc_1)

Actually, it was already launched yesterday (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1145961224873&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull).

Must be crowded up there! :hmm:

[kiwi_2005]

Hold on. I'll go out and ask the local grocery clerk and get back to you with a policy statement.


So have ya asked him yet? :-j The clocks ticking

[Abraham]

Hold on. I'll go out and ask the local grocery clerk and get back to you with a policy statement.


So have ya asked him yet? :-j The clocks ticking
Didn't you read her last posting?
The grocery man sent a Spybird out into the sky...
:D

[Abraham]

Hold on. I'll go out and ask the local grocery clerk and get back to you with a policy statement.


So have ya asked him yet? :-j The clocks ticking
Didn't you read her last posting?
The grocery man sent a Spybird out into the sky...
:D

[The Avon Lady]

Hold on. I'll go out and ask the local grocery clerk and get back to you with a policy statement.


So have ya asked him yet? :-j The clocks ticking
Didn't you read her last posting?
The grocery man sent a Spybird out into the sky...
Well, not him personally.

The milk truck launched it.

:shifty:

[Abraham]

Hold on. I'll go out and ask the local grocery clerk and get back to you with a policy statement.


So have ya asked him yet? :-j The clocks ticking
Didn't you read her last posting?
The grocery man sent a Spybird out into the sky...
Well, not him personally.

The milk truck launched it.

:shifty:
edit: a Skybird out to spy.
:D

[The Avon Lady]

Hold on. I'll go out and ask the local grocery clerk and get back to you with a policy statement.


So have ya asked him yet? :-j The clocks ticking
Didn't you read her last posting?
The grocery man sent a Spybird out into the sky...
Well, not him personally.

The milk truck launched it.

:shifty:
edit: a Skybird out to spy.
He left behind a 40 page PDF file on "The History of Backward Countdowns."

[Abraham]

Hold on. I'll go out and ask the local grocery clerk and get back to you with a policy statement.


So have ya asked him yet? :-j The clocks ticking
Didn't you read her last posting?
The grocery man sent a Spybird out into the sky...
Well, not him personally.

The milk truck launched it.

:shifty:
edit: a Skybird out to spy.
He left behind a 40 page PDF file on "The History of Backward Countdowns."
Part 1, "Its Touchdown and Final History"

[Skybird]

:smug: I certainly have left an impression...

[Abraham]

:smug: I certainly have left an impression...
With me you did from the moment of our first debate...
:D