Not everyone like George.W. Bush

[mapuc]

We live in a free world, some part of it. Where everyone has the freedom of speech. I have in some forums, in Denmark and Sweden met those who don't like Bush. But there's one person I will tell you about.

I have until now, newer debated with a person, that had such a hat against bush.

This person, even blamed Bush for the earthquake, in Pakistan last year. The reason?

It's because of all these bombs Bush has droped on the mountain between Afghanistan and Pakistan and that has made the ground unsecured.

Markus

[Konovalov]

What is your point or subject of debate?

[blue3golf]

I think he's trying to say that some people hate someone so much they'll make up the craziest stuff just to make them look bad.

[mapuc]

I think he's trying to say that some people hate someone so much they'll make up the craziest stuff just to make them look bad.

Yep that is exactly what I mean.

Markus

[Sea Demon]

I think he's trying to say that some people hate someone so much they'll make up the craziest stuff just to make them look bad.

Yep that is exactly what I mean.

Markus

Some of our American Liberal/Socialists even tried to spread the B.S. that the Bush Administration planted explosives on the New Orleans levees, just so black people could suffer. :roll:

There are even some Democrats out there that hate Bush so much they have MIHOP/LIHOP (ex: Made It Happen On Purpose/Let It Happen On Purpose) fantasies regarding 9/11. All so Mr Bush could consildate dictatorial powers. :shifty:

These people are just strange. And there's much more examples. Hatred this deep makes you look insane.

[kiwi_2005]

Well im as twisted as they come, but i like GB, cos he's a modern day warrior, if he was a leader back in the days of abram, he probably would of been mentioned in the bible. - under Kings.

Problem i have is he shouldn't of attacked iraq.

[bradclark1]

Sea Deamon can I have some of whatever you are on?

[TLAM Strike]

Sea Deamon can I have some of whatever you are on?
Yea me too I need some for uhhh medicinal use…
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[Sea Demon]

Sea Deamon can I have some of whatever you are on?
Yea me too I need some for uhhh medicinal use…
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Lol. That's funny guys. :D But honestly, just listen to some of what those Democrats say themselves. Go to Democrat Underground and look at what the Democrat base has to say about 9/11. Bush planned 9/11 according to these lost souls. Also, Osama's building daycare centers in the Middle East ya know? That's a direct quote. That's exactly what Patty Murray(D) in Washington had to say about Osama and his "humanitarian" efforts in the Middle East. See what Dick Durbin (D) had to say when he was comparing American service members to Nazis. The list is long and wide. Jesse Jackson (D) is one of those espousing his view that the Bush Administration purposely made blacks suffer in New Orleans. And much much more.......

All you got to do is pay attention. :yep:

[Bort]

Sea Deamon, you have gone too far, beyond mere discussion and argument, to insulting your fellow Americans that do not share your Ultra Conservative views. Just because some patriots in this nation do not march to the well funded drum of the GOP does not mean you can slander them with absurd claims like Bush planned 9/11. The generations of my family and many other families that have served their country in peace and war, as well as voted for who they thought was right, Democrat or Republican don't deserve it.

[CCIP]

The strange thing is, I met a person who believes that too...

That person is my father :dead:

[Sea Demon]

* Bort]Sea Deamon, you have gone too far, beyond mere discussion and argument, to insulting your fellow Americans that do not share your Ultra Conservative views.

Come on *[FOX]* Bort. No slander is intended. Honestly, some of my family are Democrats. We all have lively discussions. But since when is pointing out some of the questionable statements of Democratic Party leaders and Party activists insulting? I didn't make these comments...they did. I merely point it out.

If you don't believe Democrat Party activists make these claims regarding Bush and 9/11, I suggest you go to Democratic Underground and see for yourself. Many people who show up on that forum are party activists and journalists. And like it or not, Party leaders have made very questionable comments. Because I point it out, doesn't mean I'm personally insulting your honor.

If they didn't give me the ammo, I wouldn't use it.

[scandium]

* Bort]Sea Deamon, you have gone too far, beyond mere discussion and argument, to insulting your fellow Americans that do not share your Ultra Conservative views.

Come on *[FOX]* Bort. No slander is intended. Honestly, some of my family are Democrats. We all have lively discussions. But since when is pointing out some of the questionable statements of Democratic Party leaders and Party activists insulting? I didn't make these comments...they did. I merely point it out.

If you don't believe Democrat Party activists make these claims regarding Bush and 9/11, I suggest you go to Democratic Underground and see for yourself. Many people who show up on that forum are party activists and journalists. And like it or not, Party leaders have made very questionable comments. Because I point it out, doesn't mean I'm personally insulting your honor.

If they didn't give me the ammo, I wouldn't use it.

Some do. Just like if one visits a site like Free Republic one will find droves of conservatives there who would like to turn the entire Middle East, France included (I know that isn't part of the ME, but these people don't seem to make that distinction), into a parking lot. You will also find droves of people there who think Bush is the second coming of Christ. And I could go on and on - but why bother? After all, nutjobs are the exclusive domain of the left :roll:

[Sea Demon]

Some do. Just like if one visits a site like Free Republic one will find droves of conservatives there who would like to turn the entire Middle East, France included (I know that isn't part of the ME, but these people don't seem to make that distinction), into a parking lot. You will also find droves of people there who think Bush is the second coming of Christ. And I could go on and on - but why bother? After all, nutjobs are the exclusive domain of the left :roll:

The only difference is Democrat Party leaders join in the chorus. Often times, they are the originators. I don't hear this type of insanity from most Republican elected leaders.

[Sea Demon]

* Bort]Sea Deamon, you have gone too far

*[FOX]*Bort, I've read my posts to see how you could have interpreted my comments as slandering all Democrats. The only thing I can come up with is this ....

...and look at what the Democrat base has to say about 9/11.

This makes it look as though I meant the entire Democratic base believes G.W. Bush planted a bomb in the WTC. That's not what I intended and I apologize to you for the poor choice of words. :oops:

[scandium]

Some do. Just like if one visits a site like Free Republic one will find droves of conservatives there who would like to turn the entire Middle East, France included (I know that isn't part of the ME, but these people don't seem to make that distinction), into a parking lot. You will also find droves of people there who think Bush is the second coming of Christ. And I could go on and on - but why bother? After all, nutjobs are the exclusive domain of the left :roll:

The only difference is Democrat Party leaders join in the chorus. Often times, they are the originators. I don't hear this type of insanity from most Republican elected leaders.

Which Democratic Party leaders? Name them.

[Sea Demon]

I named a couple, but the list goes a long way. Dick Durbin referring to our service members as Nazis last spring, Patty Murray singing praises last year of Osama as a Humanitarian, Al Gore claiming we have 10 years left because of Bush's environmental policies, Howard Dean claiming Bush invaded Iraq for the sole purposes of stealing oil, Jesse Jackson claiming Bush didn't respond to Katrina because he wanted black people to suffer, .......etc....etc. I could go on and on....

[DeepSix]

...Louis Farrakahn (sp.?) claiming Bush blew up the levees to make the flooding worse....

[scandium]

I named a couple, but the list goes a long way. Dick Durbin referring to our service members as Nazis last spring, Patty Murray singing praises last year of Osama as a Humanitarian, Al Gore claiming we have 10 years left because of Bush's environmental policies, Howard Dean claiming Bush invaded Iraq for the sole purposes of stealing oil, Jesse Jackson claiming Bush didn't respond to Katrina because he wanted black people to suffer, .......etc....etc. I could go on and on....

What's that saying, that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks? I suppose its all well and good to hear what democratic "leader" Patty Murray has to say (never heard of them by the way), but let's hear from a real leader. Like President George W. Bush (R):

"I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend."—On the prospect of visiting Denmark, Washington D.C., June 29, 2005

"You see, not only did the attacks help accelerate a recession, the attacks reminded us that we are at war."—Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."—Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple objectives—like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and write."—on federal education requirements, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me." —Washington D.C., April 14, 2005

"In this job you've got a lot on your plate on a regular basis; you don't have much time to sit around and wander, lonely, in the Oval Office, kind of asking different portraits, 'How do you think my standing will be?' "—Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005

"After all, Europe is America's closest ally."—Mainz, Germany, Feb. 23, 2005

"If you're a younger person, you ought to be asking members of Congress and the United States Senate and the president what you intend to do about it. If you see a train wreck coming, you ought to be saying, what are you going to do about it, Mr. Congressman, or Madam Congressman?"—Detroit, Feb. 8, 2005

"And that's why I'm here at the community college system today."—Jacksonville, Fla., Jan. 14, 2005

I could go on and on. And trust me, when I say on and on, I mean as in entire books are filled with these. ;)

[August]

I could go on and on. And trust me, when I say on and on, I mean as in entire books are filled with these. ;)

Nothing hateful about any of those quotes. Silly yes, but spitefull and disparaging? No.

[TLAM Strike]

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."—Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

He said that where I live! :rock:

Why didn't I near that sound bite on the news afterwords? :rotfl:

[scandium]

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."—Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

He said that where I live! :rock:

Why didn't I near that sound bite on the news afterwords? :rotfl:

This is my personal favourite:

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."—Sept. 6, 2004, Poplar Bluff, Mo.

[kholemann]

Say what you want, President G. W. Bush is one of the finest in the history of this land. The reason why so many liberals are so outspoken against this President is because he is far greater than their hypcratic hero Clinton. The louder they get (and with the liberal media piling on) the more they think they are making a dent into the great legacy this President will leave. One minute he is an evil genius and the next he is an idiot. Its just immature, banal, petty and really quite a shame for them to act that way. Truth, honesty and facts are all on the side of President Bush.

[DeepSix]

...
This is my personal favourite:

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."—Sept. 6, 2004, Poplar Bluff, Mo.

Clearly, Bush is not our most articulate president. But that quote, like the others, is a malapropism, a gaff. It's not even intentional, let alone spiteful.

[bradclark1]

Say what you want, President G. W. Bush is one of the finest in the history of this land. The reason why so many liberals are so outspoken against this President is because he is far greater than their hypcratic hero Clinton. The louder they get (and with the liberal media piling on) the more they think they are making a dent into the great legacy this President will leave. One minute he is an evil genius and the next he is an idiot. Its just immature, banal, petty and really quite a shame for them to act that way. Truth, honesty and facts are all on the side of President Bush.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :doh:

**Edit**
I guess I should put some words here:
Is that why he has the lowest satisfaction rating in recent history? Most of the country is banal, petty, and immature?
:hmm: Somehow I don't think so!

[TteFAboB]

Yes, I've heard on the radio George W. Bush caused the Pacific Tsunami with a nuclear device.

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."—Sept. 6, 2004, Poplar Bluff, Mo.

That happened some weeks ago over here with a senator explaining his vote for the new head of the supreme court, which is a woman:

"As a GYN, I've learned to deal closely with women, to understand very profoundly the feminine sensibility".

If he wasn't a GYN, there wouldn't be any problem, he could've just said what he wanted to say, without remembering he was a GYN. But even basketball players can do bad, this substitute senator said:

"I've heard alot about her competence, her knowledge of the law, her intellectuality, but my vote also counts her beauty and charm". Dunked.

[scandium]

...
This is my personal favourite:

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."—Sept. 6, 2004, Poplar Bluff, Mo.

Clearly, Bush is not our most articulate president. But that quote, like the others, is a malapropism, a gaff. It's not even intentional, let alone spiteful.

Its my favourite because its funny. As are most of the ones I posted (though some are simply creepy - like the one about "catapulting the proganda"). Is GW spiteful? You bet he is, or did you not see him on camera mocking the retarded woman he had denied clemency to (while Governor) and who was about to be executed? However, I thought I'd instead post the lighter side of GW as he can be pretty amusing at times too.

[Sea Demon]

Some of you here are funny. :lol: I realize that a popular way for some Democrats to cope with America's political realities is to call G.W. Bush "stupid" or an idiot. Something he's clearly not. But if it makes you feel better....go for it. Just because an individual is not a great public speaker does not mean they are stupid. While I find these Democrats who assume this as amusing myself, I got to say that it displays alot about the accuser. It's called immaturity. And it's not going to win Democrats any votes.

But that's of little significance. I wonder how you guys are going to cope when Republicans retain control of the House and Senate next fall. And yes, G.W. Bush will still be President.

[scandium]

Some of you here are funny. :lol: I realize that a popular way for some Democrats to cope with America's political realities is to call G.W. Bush "stupid" or an idiot. Something he's clearly not. But if it makes you feel better....go for it. Just because an individual is not a great public speaker does not mean they are stupid. While I find these Democrats who assume this as amusing myself, I got to say that it displays alot about the accuser. It's called immaturity. And it's not going to win Democrats any votes.

But that's of little significance. I wonder how you guys are going to cope when Republicans retain control of the House and Senate next fall. And yes, G.W. Bush will still be President.

Last month, Pew released its latest study of American attitudes, finding that just one in three support Bush's leadership. Even among those who say they voted for Bush in 2004, his support has fallen from 92 per cent at the beginning of 2005 to 68 per cent. Asked for a one-word description of the President, the most common response was "incompetent," followed closely by "idiot" and "liar."

That's a verbatim quote from a magazine article I posted in a separate thread (Is George W. Bush the worst president in 100 years?). But why let reality intrude upon a good rant. :lol:

[Sea Demon]

Last month, Pew released its latest study of American attitudes, finding that just one in three support Bush's leadership. Even among those who say they voted for Bush in 2004, his support has fallen from 92 per cent at the beginning of 2005 to 68 per cent. Asked for a one-word description of the President, the most common response was "incompetent," followed closely by "idiot" and "liar."

That's a verbatim quote from a magazine article I posted in a separate thread (Is George W. Bush the worst president in 100 years?). But why let reality intrude upon a good rant. :lol:

Oh...polls...schmolls. Pew also showed a John Kerry victory 1 week before last Presidential election. And we saw how that turned out. The only poll that matters is election day. And the American people have made clear their wishes both times.

BTW, did you know last election, G.W. Bush got more votes than any Presidential candidate in American History??? But that's OK, keep calling Bush a moron and read the polls. Won't change reality one bit.

[Bort]

Last month, Pew released its latest study of American attitudes, finding that just one in three support Bush's leadership. Even among those who say they voted for Bush in 2004, his support has fallen from 92 per cent at the beginning of 2005 to 68 per cent. Asked for a one-word description of the President, the most common response was "incompetent," followed closely by "idiot" and "liar."

That's a verbatim quote from a magazine article I posted in a separate thread (Is George W. Bush the worst president in 100 years?). But why let reality intrude upon a good rant. :lol:

Oh...polls...schmolls. Pew also showed a John Kerry victory 1 week before last Presidential election. And we saw how that turned out. The only poll that matters is election day. And the American people have made clear their wishes both times.

BTW, did you know last election, G.W. Bush got more votes than any Presidential candidate in American History??? But that's OK, keep calling Bush a moron and read the polls. Won't change reality one bit.

As I always seem forced to point out, Bush did win by the greatest number of votes, but also by the narrowest margin in history.

[Sea Demon]

* Bort]
As I always seem forced to point out, Bush did win by the greatest number of votes, but also by the narrowest margin in history.

Ahh. But you also miss the point, my good friend. Last election we were told that the American people were "fed up"..."ready for change"...."sick of this administration"etc...etc. Polls showed J. Kerry leading all the way up to the election. Yet the GOP managed to turn out more than 62 million voters. :hmm:

[scandium]

But that's OK, keep calling Bush a moron and read the polls. Won't change reality one bit.

I hadn't realized my posting quotes of things Bush has actually said was somehow calling him a moron. In any case, here's another funny one for ya:

"That's why I went to the Congress last September and proposed fundamental—supplemental funding, which is money for armor and body parts and ammunition and fuel."—Erie, Pa., Sept. 4, 2004

[Happy Times]

Is he dyslexic? Does he read these from a teleprompter? Something ive wondered many times. Id rather see Bush as your president, though he has been a little soft in the ME :lol: But he is better than some ex hippie, pothead, pasifist. The problem with the two party system is that all kind of freeks can "hide" inside the partys. :hmm:

[mapuc]

I personally think your president is doing a fine job, But I think he or should I say they have made some mistakes when it comes to Irak.

His general did a great job, planning for the war, but they forgot the peace

have a question that I gonna ask in a new posting

Markus

[kholemann]

Last month, Pew released its latest study of American attitudes, finding that just one in three support Bush's leadership. Even among those who say they voted for Bush in 2004, his support has fallen from 92 per cent at the beginning of 2005 to 68 per cent. Asked for a one-word description of the President, the most common response was "incompetent," followed closely by "idiot" and "liar."

That's a verbatim quote from a magazine article I posted in a separate thread (Is George W. Bush the worst president in 100 years?). But why let reality intrude upon a good rant. :lol:

Oh...polls...schmolls. Pew also showed a John Kerry victory 1 week before last Presidential election. And we saw how that turned out. The only poll that matters is election day. And the American people have made clear their wishes both times.

BTW, did you know last election, G.W. Bush got more votes than any Presidential candidate in American History??? But that's OK, keep calling Bush a moron and read the polls. Won't change reality one bit.

You are the man Sea!

[DeepSix]

Is he dyslexic? Does he read these from a teleprompter?
...


I don't know about dyslexic but he does read from a teleprompter, which has to be positioned in such a way that it doesn't block the many cameras recording him. Maybe he has trouble reading from it due to glare or distance - I have no idea. At any rate, Americans have gotten used to a certain image standard when it comes to the presidency. There's so much energy put into making things look good - Nixon looked bad on TV; Reagan redefined the role of the president as a showman; Clinton was probably the most charismatic dude since Reagan (and for some people, moreso).

I think that's partly why Bush's mistakes earn him so much criticism. Sometimes it seems like he runs into trouble when he strays away from what's on the 'promp and decides to say something in his own words. He either fumbles or loses his place. Almost all presidential speeches are written by professional speechwriters, and choreographed to the umpteenth degree. It's like a Superbowl halftime show, so you can imagine what it's like when he opens his mouth and out flies a "wardrobe malfunction."

[Beery]

Well im as twisted as they come, but i like GB, cos he's a modern day warrior...

I assume you mean that the closest he's come to combat was wrestling the family dog. Heck, I'm no warrior but, unlike W., at least I can say that someone has shot at me in anger.

[Beery]

Polls showed J. Kerry leading all the way up to the election. Yet the GOP managed to turn out more than 62 million voters. :hmm:

Yeah. It just goes to show that there are at least 62 million people in the US who can challenge Bush to a moron contest.

[scandium]

Well im as twisted as they come, but i like GB, cos he's a modern day warrior...

I assume you mean that the closest he's come to combat was wrestling the family dog.

No he's been in combat... with a cedar tree:

"As you can possibly see, I have an injury myself—not here at the hospital, but in combat with a cedar. I eventually won. The cedar gave me a little scratch."—After visiting with wounded veterans from the Amputee Care Center of Brooke Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas, Jan. 1, 2006

[Beery]

Some of our American Liberal/Socialists even tried to spread the B.S. that the Bush Administration planted explosives on the New Orleans levees, just so black people could suffer. :roll:

Yeah. There are some people (both Democrats and Republicans) who believe that the moon landings never happened and that Elvis and Buddy Holly are still alive. But that doesn't mean that all democrats or all republicans are wacko conspiracy theorists.

Voting for Bush the first time was probably just an honest mistake. Voting for him a second time was, by any measure, clearly insane. After all, the mark of insanity is doing the same thing over again even after it's clearly giving negative results.

[Rockstar]

A lot of people from other countries hate President Bush the U.S. and everything we do or try to do. But when I think about it I think it is just a opportunity to hide their own failing and divert attention from problems arising in their own country. Their governments/media start producing diversions and the sheep follow. Unfortunetly France for instance couldn't keep it up.

Leaders love power and will use whatever it takes to retain and increase it. It's easy to hate so it's easy to stir up crap and take peoples minds of more pressing issues that are happening in their own backyards.

Whats happening in yours?

[Beery]

A lot of people from other countries hate President Bush the U.S. and everything we do or try to do.

Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that what Bush or the US is doing is right (or even good for America).

[Rockstar]

Whats bad about it?

A dictator is gone, the people of Iraq are moving on with their lives, we have a strong presence and influence in the middle east, and Iran is quaking in their boots. Last I heard Hamas is openly seeking peace which I know is a farking lie but thats politics.

Our troops are kicking arse and morale is high.


Of course you will never hear it from any media outlet in this country.

[TLAM Strike]

Well im as twisted as they come, but i like GB, cos he's a modern day warrior...I miss the old days when Warriors who failed to achieve a decisive victory and did not die gloriously on the field of battle would throw themselves on their swords rather than bring dishonor to the Empire. :down:

“My life for the Empire!”
"Today is a good day to die!"
That’s the mentality I want in a modern warrior-president. :hulk:

[Beery]

Whats bad about it?

A dictator is gone, the people of Iraq are moving on with their lives, we have a strong presence and influence in the middle east, and Iran is quaking in their boots. Last I heard Hamas is openly seeking peace which I know is a farking lie but thats politics.

Our troops are kicking arse and morale is high.


Of course you will never hear it from any media outlet in this country.

Well, firstly, there are hundreds of US soldiers who have been killed in a war that has no clear goals other than installing democracy to a country that has no history of democracy and where democracy is unlikely to take root due to religious pressures. Also, there's no exit strategy and even if democracy does take root, the gains in terms of US strtegic goals are questionable at best. There is absolutely no precedent that shows that a democratic Iraq would be friendly to the US. In fact, in order to survive, a democratic Iraq would have to kowtow to religious leaders who have no reason to love the US. Then there's the fact that Iraq has become the world's best terrorist training camp, and the longevity of the insurgency is proof that the US military strategy is not working and that the remaining terrorists are, by reason of their survival, experts in anti-US military doctrine in the same way that the Viet Cong became experts at fighting the US in Vietnam. The view that we are 'kicking arse' given such a situation is myopic at best, and dangerous at worst. The US could easily lose its place as the world's remaining superpower if it continues to 'kick arse' in this way. These low intensity conflicts are precisely what lost the British their empire in the late 19th and early 20th century. The oft-quoted adage that 'Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it' is often true, but the less-quoted one that 'Those who repeat history are doomed to repeat it' is always true.

The question is, are the Americans ready to lose their empire?

[mapuc]

Whats bad about it?

A dictator is gone, the people of Iraq are moving on with their lives, we have a strong presence and influence in the middle east, and Iran is quaking in their boots. Last I heard Hamas is openly seeking peace which I know is a farking lie but thats politics.

Our troops are kicking arse and morale is high.


Of course you will never hear it from any media outlet in this country.

Well, firstly, there are hundreds of US soldiers who have been killed in a war that has no clear goals other than installing democracy to a country that has no history of democracy and where democracy is unlikely to take root due to religious pressures. Also, there's no exit strategy and even if democracy does take root, the gains in terms of US strtegic goals are questionable at best. There is absolutely no precedent that shows that a democratic Iraq would be friendly to the US. In fact, in order to survive, a democratic Iraq would have to kowtow to religious leaders who have no reason to love the US. Then there's the fact that Iraq has become the world's best terrorist training camp, and the longevity of the insurgency is proof that the US military strategy is not working and that the remaining terrorists are, by reason of their survival, experts in anti-US military doctrine in the same way that the Viet Cong became experts at fighting the US in Vietnam. The view that we are 'kicking arse' given such a situation is myopic at best, and dangerous at worst. The US could easily lose its place as the world's remaining superpower if it continues to 'kick arse' in this way. These low intensity conflicts are precisely what lost the British their empire in the late 19th and early 20th century. The oft-quoted adage that 'Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it' is often true, but the less-quoted one that 'Those who repeat history are doomed to repeat it' is always true.

The question is, are the Americans ready to lose their empire?

It's what I wrote in my secund posting in the thread

One thing is planning for a the war, an another is the peace.

It seems that that USA haven't pointet out any goal what so ever

Markus

[The Avon Lady]

It's what I wrote in my secund posting in the thread

One thing is planning for a the war, an another is the peace.

It seems that that USA haven't pointet out any goal what so ever

I disagree. I see the problem in Iraq is that the US did not anticipate the post-invasion terrorism that Iraq still endures.

Another mistake is imagining that western style democracy and an Islamic Sha'aria state go together like Laurel and Hardy. :nope:

The goals are too grandeur and utopian.

[Sea Demon]

Polls showed J. Kerry leading all the way up to the election. Yet the GOP managed to turn out more than 62 million voters. :hmm:

Yeah. It just goes to show that there are at least 62 million people in the US who can challenge Bush to a moron contest.

Uh. Yeah. :shifty: :roll:

[Rockstar]

whoops one too many

[Rockstar]

Well, firstly, there are hundreds of US soldiers who have been killed in a war that has no clear goals other than installing democracy to a country that has no history of democracy and where democracy is unlikely to take root due to religious pressures. Also, there's no exit strategy and even if democracy does take root, the gains in terms of US strtegic goals are questionable at best. There is absolutely no precedent that shows that a democratic Iraq would be friendly to the US. In fact, in order to survive, a democratic Iraq would have to kowtow to religious leaders who have no reason to love the US. Then there's the fact that Iraq has become the world's best terrorist training camp, and the longevity of the insurgency is proof that the US military strategy is not working and that the remaining terrorists are, by reason of their survival, experts in anti-US military doctrine in the same way that the Viet Cong became experts at fighting the US in Vietnam. The view that we are 'kicking arse' given such a situation is myopic at best, and dangerous at worst. The US could easily lose its place as the world's remaining superpower if it continues to 'kick arse' in this way. These low intensity conflicts are precisely what lost the British their empire in the late 19th and early 20th century. The oft-quoted adage that 'Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it' is often true, but the less-quoted one that 'Those who repeat history are doomed to repeat it' is always true.

The question is, are the Americans ready to lose their empire?

It's what I wrote in my secund posting in the thread

One thing is planning for a the war, an another is the peace.

It seems that that USA haven't pointet out any goal what so ever

Markus

This isn't nazi germany, this isn't viet nam nor is the United States an empire.

Kicking arse in my book is defending those desiring to move on with their lives and killing islamofacists.

Do soldiers die when doing this? Yes they do just as like police officers do when doing doing their duty. Both jobs are voluntary and everyone knows what the risks are.

Who says were leaving? How come nobody is wondering what our exit strategy is in Japan or Germany? Heck we been there since 1945 and I haven't heard a peep. I'll tell you , those who forget the past are condemmed to repeat it.

Will we suceed? Good question, I hope so

[Beery]

This isn't nazi germany, this isn't viet nam

I never said it was either.

nor is the United States an empire.

LOL. Suuuure. Next you'll be telling me you've never heard the term 'Pax Americana', and if you have, perhaps you can convince me that it doesn't refer directly to both the British and Roman Empire.

[CCIP]

I disagree. I see the problem in Iraq is that the US did not anticipate the post-invasion terrorism that Iraq still endures.

Another mistake is imagining that western style democracy and an Islamic Sha'aria state go together like Laurel and Hardy. :nope:

The goals are too grandeur and utopian.

Exactly.

As far as "moving on with their lives" - that's not a consequence of US involvement, that's a consequence of human nature. People have moved on in worse conditions. But the fact that there are very deadly terrorist attacks against Iraqi people every day doesn't work one bit to prove that the US involvement is doing much good for the Iraqi people except, perhaps, slightly holding back the immediate prospect of civil war. Which isn't yet a guarantee it won't happen.

This isn't a good time to pass final judgement on Bush; the repercussions of this administration's actions have not yet reached their real results. What those results will be only time will tell. What one can't deny is
1) The policy pursued by this administration is not a good solution for everyone and has not been supported by everyone;
2) This administration has lied, repeatedly, to support this policy (which is nothing new to world history, I assure you!);
3) This administration is responsible, directly or indirectly, for deaths of thousands of innocent people, either by its actions or by failing to do something while in pursuit of its policies (which, again, is nothing shockingly new).

To those who see these means as leading to a good end, should this good end come, the end result may be satisfactory. To others these means will never be justified (myself included).

[The Noob]

America? *Spit*

George Bush? *PUKE*

Any questions?

[kholemann]

Say what you want, President G. W. Bush is one of the finest in the history of this land. The reason why so many liberals are so outspoken against this President is because he is far greater than their hypcratic hero Clinton. The louder they get (and with the liberal media piling on) the more they think they are making a dent into the great legacy this President will leave. One minute he is an evil genius and the next he is an idiot. Its just immature, banal, petty and really quite a shame for them to act that way. Truth, honesty and facts are all on the side of President Bush.

I repeat!

'nuf said

[bradclark1]

“My life for the Empire!”
"Today is a good day to die!"
That’s the mentality I want in a modern warrior-president. :hulk:

Somehow I think I'd rather fight for someone who wants to live. :) :yep:

[bradclark1]

America? *Spit*

George Bush? *PUKE*

Any questions?

A very good post for a six year old. Congratulations. :roll:

[CCIP]

Truth, honesty and facts are all on the side of President Bush.

That should be conservative values, military-industrial complex and multinational corporations that are on the side of President Bush. :roll:

It's beyond mere fact that he lied about the facts, repeatedly. It's an axiom. I said this above, and I'll repeat it: there is nothing new about this in politics. This doesn't make him a bad politician. But I think trying to put forward Bush as the patron saint of "truth, honesty and facts" isn't going to convince anyone contrary to evidence.

IMHO, if truth, honesty and facts were higher on his list than conservative values, military-industrial complex and multinational corporations, then we'd probably be much closer to getting some of the present issues in the world resolved :hmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

I miss the old days when Warriors who failed to achieve a decisive victory and did not die gloriously on the field of battle would throw themselves on their swords rather than bring dishonor to the Empire. :down:

“My life for the Empire!”
"Today is a good day to die!"
That’s the mentality I want in a modern warrior-president. :hulk:

Right! Like Richard I of England. Oh, wait, he just went home after he failed.

[Ducimus]

Say what you want, President G. W. Bush is one of the finest in the history of this land. The reason why so many liberals are so outspoken against this President is because he is far greater than their hypcratic hero Clinton. The louder they get (and with the liberal media piling on) the more they think they are making a dent into the great legacy this President will leave. One minute he is an evil genius and the next he is an idiot. Its just immature, banal, petty and really quite a shame for them to act that way. Truth, honesty and facts are all on the side of President Bush.

I repeat!

'nuf said

2 cent comments:

1.) Being overpatriotic, or blind patriotism, is a bad thing.

2.) Truth/honesty, and ANY politiican do not belong together in the same sentence. Also, facts to a poltiican often come in the form of statistics. N'uff said.

[August]

Voting for him a second time was, by any measure, clearly insane. After all, the mark of insanity is doing the same thing over again even after it's clearly giving negative results.

Yeah those who voted to reelect FDR the first couple times were clearly insane. Especially when the opposition put up such fine and capable candidates...

I could call those who voted for any of the last 3 democratic presidential candidates clearly insane as well but that'd be just rude...