who likes guns?!

[ABBAFAN]

What firearms do you use and what are your favourites?

I have a brown bess .75 flintlock musket and a greener gp martini action 12 guage shotgun and also a laurona s/s 12 guage.
what do other people like?

[Torpedo Fodder]

I have a .22LR single shot rifle that used to be my father's. It has served me well as a plinker, but it's 50 years old and getting worn out. I think I'll by a new bolt action .22LR. Someday, when my finances improve I think I'll get a shotgun and try my hand at skeet shooting, a more powerful rifle (a .308 or .30-06), and at least one handgun. Maybe that AR15 I've always wanted could be had eventually.. But for now, .22LR serves me fine. It has reasonable range when fired from a long-gun, and both it an the firearms that fire it are usually dirt cheap: most .22LR rifles are less than $200 Canadian, and I can buy a thousand rounds of .22LR ammo for less than $40.

[Fish]

I used different firearms, but owned just one. A .22 Smith and Wesson revolver with a long barrel.

[blue3golf]

I own a Remington 870 Magnum in 12 gauge, I got a rifled and smoothbore barrel for it. Use it mostly for deer hunting becuase where I live rifles are not allowed until the northern half of the state. Also in the inventory is a Colt 1991 .45, New England single shot 20 ga., two Savage model 99's in .300 savage, Winchester model 62 in 22LR, a side by side 16ga and an old bolt action single shot 22LR that used to be my grandfathers. What I'm really looking for is a Mauser 98 and and M1 Garand though.

[Kapitan]

Theres a topic around here with some of my weapons, my main weapon being a AK47S.

[jumpy]

@blue3golf
I forget exactly where I saw it, (googled for M1 garand) but there's some american dudes who are remanufacturing a detailed version of the M1 with a match grade barrel and diopter sights (I think) for precision target shooting, going for about 1000 usd (maybe more?).
Looked good. Shame we can't get that sort of thing so easily here in the UK... :cry:

[micky1up]

anyone who replies to ths post in favour of guns is a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy as soon as u wake up and smell the salt the better

[blue3golf]

@jumpy
yeah, I've seen the match grade ones, the price sounds about right, I'm actually hoping to find one that has stock everything, because truthfully I don't need all that extra stuff just for shooting around or hunting. I'll probably have to give in though and get one with the match grade equipment.

[jumpy]

thanks for that, micky1up... no, really. :lol:

[Onkel Neal]

anyone who replies to ths post in favour of guns is a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy as soon as u wake up and smell the salt the better

Can't afford therapy, spent all my dough in ringtones :lol:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/ruger_p90.jpg
My Ruger P90-S .40 cal :up:

[DeepSix]

.... What I'm really looking for is a Mauser 98 and and M1 Garand though.

Nice collection you have there; got a Model 62 myself. I gave my Dad a Mauser for Christmas a couple years ago. Got it from Mitchell's - one of the Yugoslav WW2 ones. I think the old man forgave me for all the mischief I ever got into when he saw that.

http://www.mitchellsales.com/

[JSLTIGER]

My grandfather's got a Mauser...it's from WWI, it's got a stamp of the Kaiser's crown and the date 1917 on the top of the barrel, just forward of the opening of the bolt for the chamber. My great uncle brought it back after he served in the 100th Div. during WWII, and my grandfather has had it and several other war items in his possession since my uncle was killed on his motorcycle by a drunk driver in '47. The mechanism still works smoothly and looking down the barrel, the rifling is still evident, however, it really needs to be checked before anyone takes a crack at firing it, as it looks as if some rust may have developed on the metal. Everything about the rifle still works (including the bolt mechanism, trigger, firing pin, and safety), but it hasn't been fired since the 1940s.

One other item of interest that he has is a long-barrelled Luger pistol with the original leather holster and accompanying metal Nazi insignia. The only thing that the Luger is missing is the rifle butt attachment.


Any body have any idea how much this stuff would be worth, btw?

[Torpedo Fodder]

anyone who replies to ths post in favour of guns is a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy as soon as u wake up and smell the salt the better

Guns kill far fewer people than cars every year. I propose we ban personal automobile ownership for the good of society! Think of the children!!!111!1 :yep:

Seriously, what do you find so offensive about responsible, law abiding citizens owning guns for recreation? I own a rifle and I use it for plinking, and I greatly enjoy that. I take every safety percaution, and I endanger nobody in the pursuit of my hobby. Why should I not be allowed to do something I enjoy when I do so safely and responsibly?

[Abraham]

I am a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy, with a Heckler & Koch P7 M8 9mm.
I have been shooting thousands of bullets since 1989 and I have never hit anybody...
:doh:

[blue3golf]

@JSLTiger
no exact figures but if the serial numbers match on the Mauser and the Luger then it's alot. So much that I wouldn't sell.

[Kapitan]

Ive been shooting for only 7 or 8 years sadly ive had a few accidents none were my fault.

Was firing on a range with a air rifle when a member of the public decided to cross infront of the targets just as i pulled my trigger, caught the guy in the left hand.

And my only other accident (well done it on purpose) i shot a guy with an air rifle in the leg cause he real did piss me off.

[lesrae]

And my only other accident (well done it on purpose) i shot a guy with an air rifle in the leg cause he real did pee me off.

:down:

[micky1up]

even the saving of 1 life in the US by getting rid of the stupid constitution would be worth it or do u put such a small value on a life.

and people quoting its my right to bare arms need a reality check that was written when the US was very young and in danger of being invaded by any nation (not so now i think) also they where under threat by the nation of people they stole the land from the true american's the native indians not some jumped up euopean rejects and some poor african slaves that got kidnapped from there home to work for these rejects


and kapitan thats not an accident thats ABH actual bodily harm in the UK and you would go to jail for it see thats the reason to get rid of all personal firearms i shot him caus ehe pissed me off what *******ing excuse is that

[Kapitan]

What excuse well we call it a good one, you see niehter of us would ever grass each other up simply because the repocussions would be enormous and you would soon be branded grass and then more people would be on you case.

I do things diffrently i dont rely on police to get involved i sort my problems out my way, given the chance the other guy would have done exactly the same.

To be honest guns is what keeps everyone safe the army use's them or do you want us to run around with swords and daggers?

Its better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have it.

[micky1up]

dosent change the fact you shot someone becuase you got upset if you didnt have the weapon in the first place you could have shot him and i said personal firearms not military arms of course the military needs its weapons.thats how easy it is to kill with firearms you get upset gun in hand and bang




thx kap your proving my case for me

[lesrae]

thx kap your proving my case for me

Agreed, what if he'd really pissed you off - you'd have killed him?

[Kapitan]

As it goes id never aim for the head, if you must know i shot the guy in the shin, and i wasnt upset i was highly raged.

I do have control over my temper hence why i didnt shoot him in the head, if i didnt have a gun i would have used something else or my fist's.

So i supose now you going to say oh no thats bad, well i aint cutting off my hands to satisfy anyone.

[lesrae]

As I see it, the fact you shot him means one of 2 things:

a. You acted in rage and didn't think about the consequences - in which case you need help.

b. You knew what you were doing and shot him deliberately - in which case you need help.

The fact remains that if you didn't have the gun you couldn't have shot him - I have no opinion on gun control, it's just logic.

The whole macho posturing BS about people sorting problems out for themselves without going to the police and becoming a 'grass' is laughable to me. Their defence is that it's the environment they live in, but they're the ones perpetuating that culture - the tough man is the one who takes a stand against this and says no to it.

[TLAM Strike]

anyone who replies to ths post in favour of guns is a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy as soon as u wake up and smell the salt the better

"There are no dangerous weapons; there are only dangerous men."
Sergeant Charles Zim, Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein
;)

I am a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy, with a Heckler & Koch P7 M8 9mm.
I have been shooting thousands of bullets since 1989 and I have never hit anybody...
:doh:

You don't need therapy you need more time on the range your accuacy is s*hit! :P :lol:


And my only other accident (well done it on purpose) i shot a guy with an air rifle in the leg cause he real did pee me off.

I always thought you were stupid. Now its been confirmed. :roll:

[Dowly]

I am a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy, with a Heckler & Koch P7 M8 9mm.
I have been shooting thousands of bullets since 1989 and I have never hit anybody...
:doh:

Squeeze the trigger, do not pull. :rotfl:

[Kapitan]

Stupid yes TLAM just not stupid enough to get caught, besides since that incident took place ive moved away and started fresh, i still have guns but i dont shoot them regularly no more, and when i do shoot them its only in my garden.

So it cant and wont happen a 2nd time.

LES what would you rather have sort your own issues out, or get the police too, and when they leave your now open to revenge by other people so it makes the issue alot worse.

I was in a rage so what we all get them but as i said if i didnt have the gun i would have used something else, so in reality i would still "be armed" with something, it just happend to be a gun that time.

Ive been in a fair share of fights lost a few won a few (most in school) but never used a weapon in any of them, this was a one off job just happend that i was walking home froma friends that i saw the guy and decided to do what i did.

Im not proud of it thats why im admiting it as a sign of guilt not sign of anything else, i dont agree with what i did and i dont think others should follow the same path i did.

If younger kids couldnt get hold of guns (bear in mind i was 14 when i did this) then we could definatly say it would be safer, as they would be in the hands of more mature people.

I signed a petition to try and enforce gun licencies for the air rifles and air soft weapons, i agree that they should have them, and at purchase they must produce such a licence, its already in affect now in my area, and i can say im happy with that.

[STEED]

anyone who replies to ths post in favour of guns is a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy as soon as u wake up and smell the salt the better

A sweeping statement their more information would help. And no I have no guns at all I will admit to firing my uncle’s air rifle years ago.

[DeepSix]

...
Any body have any idea how much this stuff would be worth, btw?

What blue3golf said on p. 1. They might be worth plenty; if you have the opportunity, look them up in a reference like the Standard Catalog of Military Firearms: The Collector's Price and Reference Guide. There are several books like this out there; they aren't particularly expensive but for two firearms you probably don't need to buy them, either. Best to consult as many as you can to get a ballpark idea of what's worth what.

[Sailor Steve]

even the saving of 1 life in the US by getting rid of the stupid constitution would be worth it or do u put such a small value on a life.
If we got rid of the Constitution we would have no way to run the government. Oh, you meant the bill of rights. We have that to guarantee protections against the government. Hardly 'stupid'.

and people quoting its my right to bare arms need a reality check that was written when the US was very young and in danger of being invaded by any nation (not so now i think) also they where under threat by the nation of people they stole the land from the true american's the native indians not some jumped up euopean rejects and some poor african slaves that got kidnapped from there home to work for these rejects
Actually the right to bear (not bare) arms was guaranteed because we had just seceded-violently-from the mother country which didn't want to let us go. The first shots of that war-the battle of Lexington and Concorde-started when the British Colonial governer of Massachussets sent troops to confiscate the cannons held at a privately owned armory. If Britain had exercised proper gun control in 1775 we wouldn't have been able to have our revolution, so we take the right to bear arms fairly seriously. We also have the Third Amenement, which protects us from the government forcing us to let soldiers stay in our homes, at our expense. Why? Because the British did exactly that.


and kapitan thats not an accident thats ABH actual bodily harm in the UK and you would go to jail for it see thats the reason to get rid of all personal firearms i shot him caus ehe pissed me off what *******ing excuse is that
Micky, you really need to be more reasonable in your arguments, and not just scream opinions. Also, check your facts. Every one you used was wrong.

[Rockstar]

I'm a gun nut from waaay back.


After I got married I still have my semi-autos a WWII K43 ac44 scoped German infrantry rifle, an old soviet TT33 pistol and a post war Venezualen FN49. Prior to marriage I had a slew of bolt actions (K98's and O3A3's) but had to sell'em off because of space considerations. I kept the the semi-autos which allows the wife to shoot'em without the fear of a big recoil. It's a blast to see her shoot the K43, dang thing is almost as big as she is, she thinks it's a missle launcher. :rotfl:

[Kresge]

I have a 1958 Russian SKS that I take out to the range about once a year. I also inherited a Marlin rifle my father-in-law had purchased during the Detroit riots back in the 60's. Luckily it has never been fired.

I have been eyeing the Turkish and Czech Mausers on the market right now. I like the bolt action rifles and the prices aren't too bad. Dunham's sporting goods actually carries them (and Swiss Rubins) and I've heard you can find some nice examples; plus the benefit of being able to choose from what they have in stock as opposed to mail-order. Mitchell's, as mentioned in an earlier post, is a great source for all grades of Mausers.

p.s. If you want to debate the pros/cons gun control, please start another topic!

[blue3golf]

The Swedish Mausers in 6.5mm are fun to shoot, they run anywhere from $150-$200 where I'm at.

[Rockstar]

What I'm really looking for is a Mauser 98 and and M1 Garand though.


If it's a Garand you're looking for check out Scott Duff's site he's pretty much the M1 guru in my book. I've done business with him online and have got no complaints.

As far as 98's go, I recommend ya stay away from online auctions or dealings unless know the seller really well. Too many shady characters pushing garbage. They even go as far as removing russian armory and import markings refinishing them then make up a set of fake vet bring papers and stories to entice the buyer all the while claiming the rifle is an original.


http://www.scott-duff.com/

[Tchocky]

Wouldnt trust myself with a gun. Honestly

[Happy Times]

As I see it, the fact you shot him means one of 2 things:

a. You acted in rage and didn't think about the consequences - in which case you need help.

b. You knew what you were doing and shot him deliberately - in which case you need help.

The fact remains that if you didn't have the gun you couldn't have shot him - I have no opinion on gun control, it's just logic.

The whole macho posturing BS about people sorting problems out for themselves without going to the police and becoming a 'grass' is laughable to me. Their defence is that it's the environment they live in, but they're the ones perpetuating that culture - the tough man is the one who takes a stand against this and says no to it. You honestly think that even a normal fist fight is out off the question? I never start anything but if someone has attacked me, i have hit at once, as hard and fast as possible. I really dont think calling the police would have helped a lot , i would just had gotten beaten myself. Ofcourse you can do alot to avoid these situations, mainly avoiding drunk males. I ussually have had good succes with women, that gets you in to a lot of fights in my experience. Reminds that when you scratch the surface, you have a jungle out there. :lol:

[blue3golf]

Thanks Rockstar, great site. :up:

[Konovalov]

In answer to the original questions of this thread.

I don't own or use any firearms. I have never been in ownership of a firearm.

Nor do I have a favourite weapon. Yep, darned boring I know. Back to sleep now. :zzz:

[JJ]

I don't own any guns, never had and probly never will.

Although after playing excessive amounts of Hidden&Dangerous 2 I think I'd like to own the german Karabiner (with optics) :lol:

What comes to the forever lasting question is it the guns that kill people or the people holding the guns, I don't know.

But I know that currently I drive a car for a living and at times I do press the pedal to metal a bit too hard and if I'm going to kill myself or someone else it's quite likely going to happen with the car rather than a gun even if I'd own one. Actually one of our co-workers died few weeks ago in a car crash. On his spare time, tho.
For some reason an on-coming car drifted to his lane and they collided head-on. Fire Dept. had to cut him out of the wreck and after couple of days at the intensive care he was announced dead.

[micky1up]

@Sailor Steve
ok my facts where not correct but cant you see my point.

That bill of rights was written hundreds of years ago and is way out of date. Kap's shotiing his pal cause he pissed him off proves something if your upset and angry like most humans get more than once a day and you have a gun in your hand then its going to happen. The mix of human emotion and firearms is not a good one but a country that has at least 1 firearm for evrery person is asking for trouble.

And yes i have an opinion like everyone else but my extreme is the oposite of your's and your nations blinkered view about your rights is what is the underlying problem. Do u know that the USA has the least percentage of people that own a passport also the least percentage that learn another language. And you have the cheek to call other nations insular and isolationalist.

You have a word that you use all the time which you have no concept of: FREEDOM. Except in one way the freedom to kill each other at random with firearms. You actually do that quite well!

[Kapitan]

I think micky1up you should go and see bosnia.

[Rockstar]

underlying problem do u know that the USA has the least percentage of people that own a passport also the least percentage that learn another language

do you know most passport holders are legal immigrants coming from other countries? do you really think the only people here are white and speak only english? For crying out loud America is made up from legal and illegal immigrants from all over the world trying to escape oppressive governments, screw ball dictators or seeking a better way of life. Why would a these citizens want a passport to visit a world they just escaped from?

My grand dad immigrated from Norway in 1921 didn't speak a lick of english grandmother was Finn. Communities all over the U.S. where people speak their native tongue AND english. Been to Miami? I have 14 years, U.S. citizens everywhere speaking spanish, indian, chinese, haitian creole AND english. Been to Wisconsin heavy German population guess what they speak?

and why use Kap as an example to illustrate problems in the U.S. is he even from here? did the shooting happen on U.S. soil? facts and location are messed bud

never bring a knife to a gunfight :)

[TLAM Strike]

never bring a knife to a gunfight :)
*Thows knife in to Rockstar's hand*

The enemy can not pull a trigger if you disable his hand... medic!

:P :-j

[DeepSix]

...but cant you see my point that bill of rights was written hundreds of years ago and is way out of date....

{run-on sentence and drivel snipped}

I can't see your point because I don't think it's even there. The Bill of Rights is far more than any one of its ten amendments. It is greater than the sum of its parts, and it would not have survived if it had become "out of date." Without it, there would be no U.S. Constitution. The men who drafted it knew what they were about - unlike some, who enjoy the privilege of posting to public forums without even thinking about what it is that gives them the freedom to do so. If there were no Bill of Rights, none of us in this country would enjoy the singular experience of hearing the opinions of people in yours.

Read more books, Mick. Or move to China; Tienamin Square is a great place to express yourself.

[bradclark1]

If you outlaw guns lets do it to bows also. Arrows do a nice job of killing. Lets not forget knives with more than a 2" blade.
Nothing wrong with owning a plinking weapon nor something for home defence.
I don't see the need for privatley owned assault weapons however. I know Torpedo has issues on that statement. ;)

[micky1up]

deep the men who drafted it existed two hundred years ago when the the new frontier was under threat this is not the case now and people using it as a defense to own all manner of assault weapons why cause they may invaded my personel space its just not valid anymore what next i have an antitank weapon cause the guy next door has one where duz it stop i tell you where it becomes a real issue for people like you when a close relative of yours dies at the hands of some nut who thinks he need to defend himselve from the red indians then you wake up to the fact that the US is without doubt the most paraniod violent state that exists then my friend it will be you who is the one fighting the bill of rights and the constitution , explain to me why that in canada where more people own firearms than there american counterparts that the gun related crime is far below that of the USA to me it proves that in the USA case firearms and a paranoid race of europian rejects that stole there land from its true owners is the reason why the USA is the home of gun crime and gun related murder


p.s in any case my argument still holds true if you dont have a gun you cant ********** kill anyone with it

[Kresge]

"proves that in the USA case firearms and a paranoid race of europian rejects that stole there land from its true owners is the reason why the USA is the home of gun crime and gun related murder"

Now that's a good one! I guess we really need to blame the British, French, and Spanish for exploring and settling North America, beginning the hostile takeover of land from the natives, and introducing firearms to both the natives and settlers.

:rotfl:
:rotfl:

[Wim Libaers]

I am a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy, with a Heckler & Koch P7 M8 9mm.
I have been shooting thousands of bullets since 1989 and I have never hit anybody...
:doh:

You don't need therapy you need more time on the range your accuacy is s*hit! :P :lol:



No, with that many bullets, he should have hit someone, unless... maybe he was intentionally not shooting at people. To solve that problem, I would recommend some training specifically to increase the willingness to shoot at humans. Replacing standard targets with human-shaped targets would be a good first step.


Now, my personal weaponry is limited to an old air rifle. I've also made some pyrotechnics and explosives for recreational use. An interesting hobby if you're careful. Haven't done it for some time though, lack of time, and it's time-consuming if you want to do it safely.

[Tchocky]

Suppose I like guns, the idea of gun ownership less so.

seems to be a direct correlation between the amount of guns, and the amount of gun deaths. Probably (careful now) makes sense to restrict ownership to those who really need them, like special police teams, and really committed criminals

[TteFAboB]

Safe Pyrotechnics? Pfft! :nope:

I use Red Indian-Native American slave labour to handle my explosives, the only safety measure I have to take is to keep my finger ready at the remote trigger detonator in case the bastards get any clever ideas.

Although I have to admit, it's also a little time-consuming to clean up all the mess. :/\x: :fff: :/\x:

[blue3golf]

Looking at this forum I've owned and shot more guns than most here combined. I'm proud to say I've never had any firearm or any weapon related accidents and I've been around guns my whole life, started shooting when I was 8 years old. I could set a loaded gun with a round in the chamber and safety off on a table in the middle of the woods and that gun will never fire unless SOMEONE touches it so lets stop blaming the guns and maybe blame those that don't have enough responsibility and sense to feed themselves let alone handle a firearm.

[Kapitan]

The gun has the capacity to kill, but its the decesion of the peron wether he uses that gun to kill.

But by itself a gun cannot kill.

[GunnersMate]

Best hangun in the world : H&K USP series (Preferably in .40)

[Onkel Neal]

deep the men who drafted it existed two hundred years ago when the the new frontier was under threat this is not the case now and people using it as a defense to own all manner of assault weapons why cause they may invaded my personel space its just not valid anymore what next i have an antitank weapon cause the guy next door has one where duz it stop i tell you where it becomes a real issue for people like you when a close relative of yours dies at the hands of some nut who thinks he need to defend himselve from the red indians then you wake up to the fact that the US is without doubt the most paraniod violent state that exists then my friend it will be you who is the one fighting the bill of rights and the constitution , explain to me why that in canada where more people own firearms than there american counterparts that the gun related crime is far below that of the USA to me it proves that in the USA case firearms and a paranoid race of europian rejects that stole there land from its true owners is the reason why the USA is the home of gun crime and gun related murder


p.s in any case my argument still holds true if you dont have a gun you cant ********** kill anyone with it

Micky, I'm not trying to be funny or critical, but could you use some standard punctuation? Your remarks are hard to read. Thanks.

[Onkel Neal]

I was just told you are "word blind", please disregard my previous message. thanks

[StdDev]

It seems to me that Micky1up's argument stems from the belief that guns are for killing and anyone who owns a gun must therefore be interested in killing...or perhaps they are so fearful that someone is going to kill them that they must have a gun for protection... well.. guess what.. it aint so!
I would bet that most people who own guns/firearms just happen to have an appreciation for crafted machines.
There are also those who collect guns/firearms from a more historical appreciation.
This is not dissimilar to owning/collecting anything else.. cars, baseball cards, books... the appreciation to collect any of these things is very similar!
I have been exposed to guns all of my life and have owned guns for most of it.. I have yet to kill anyone!
The solution to most of the issues with gun ownership is education.. not prohibition.. There seems to be a tendency in the world today (particularly in the States here), to legislate against stupidity.. this always is done at the expense of the majority of people who act responsibly. For example.. passing a law or ordinance that McDonalds may only serve coffee at a certain temperature or below.. because some dumbass might decide to drive his auto while holding a cup of hot liquid in his lap and spill it.. jeeeeeeeezus! if you cant foresee the possibilities in such an act perhaps what is really needed is to require a license to buy coffee!
There are many laws and ordinances in effect right now that regulate gun ownership (particularly buying a gun I am referring to California), But because of the nature of The USA it is inevitable that some schmucks will get around or through the system... Unfortunately there is not a whole lot that can be done about these individuals without seriously curtailing ordinary citizens rights.. but the majority of gun tragedies could be avoided by better or more education.


Now.. as for guns that I own
Remington Fieldmaster pump action .22 rifle
.22 caliber reproduction of an AK-47 (dont remember who manufactured)
Ruger 10-22 .22 rifle
Calico .22 rifle (this gun has a 100 round helical drum magazine and is semi-auto.. therefore it qualifies as an assault rifle.. yet it does not tempt me to acts of terrorism or banditry!)
Barretta .22 LR pistol
Remington .45 ACP (standard officer sidearm of US WWII)
2 Marlin 30-30 lever action carbines
Remington bolt action 30-06 with Bushnell scope
Mossberg pump action 16 ga. shotgun
Savage double barrel (side by side) 12 ga shotgun

[DeepSix]

...
The solution to most of the issues with gun ownership is education.. not prohibition.. There seems to be a tendency in the world today (particularly in the States here), to legislate against stupidity.. this always is done at the expense of the majority of people who act responsibly.
...

:up: Unfortunately, we nearly always opt for the lowest common denominator.

[August]

even the saving of 1 life in the US by getting rid of the stupid constitution would be worth it or do u put such a small value on a life.

Considering the many thousands of lives spent defending that constitution i'd say you're wrong...

[August]

then you wake up to the fact that the US is without doubt the most paraniod violent state that exists

Really? Obviously you've never been to, well, just about anywhere if you really believe that.

[August]

Colt Ar-15
Mossberg 590 .12ga combat shotgun
Remington model 700
Springfield Armory .45

Note: None of the above listed firearms have ever been used to kill anyone or used in the commission of any crime.

[StdDev]

Note: None of the above listed firearms have ever been used to kill anyone or used in the commission of any crime.

Its always been a dream of mine to fire a howitzer into a retirement home... :roll: :dead:

[Abraham]

Note: None of the above listed firearms have ever been used to kill anyone or used in the commission of any crime.

Its always been a dream of mine to fire a howitzer into a retirement home... :roll: :dead:
Tastes differ, I dream about quite different things...
:D

[Khayman]

Its always been a dream of mine to fire a howitzer into a retirement home... :roll: :dead:

I've always dreamed of shooting zombies in the head with high powered sniper rifles, automatics or pistols. Unfortunately all I can legally own are air pistols and air rifles. I have both, but am unsure of their undead stopping potential.

[StdDev]

Unfortunately all I can legally own are air pistols and air rifles. I have both, but am unsure of their undead stopping potential.

Seriously? I thought you could have shotguns there too!.

[bradclark1]

I've always dreamed of shooting zombies in the head with high powered sniper rifles, automatics or pistols. Unfortunately all I can legally own are air pistols and air rifles. I have both, but am unsure of their undead stopping potential.

You have to jam the barrel through the eye socket before you pull the trigger. I just don't have the guts to test that theory though. What if I'm wrong?

[Kapitan]

Outlawd weapons in england.

Any hand pistol that fires live ammunition
Any automatic or semi automatic rifle
Any sub machine gun
Any machine gun

Weapons allowed shot gun and a bolt action rifle.

However there is exclusions and exemptions.

Also note scots law differs from english law.

[StdDev]

Outlawd weapons in england.

Any hand pistol that fires live ammunition
Any automatic or semi automatic rifle
Any sub machine gun
Any machine gun

Weapons allowed shot gun and a bolt action rifle.

However there is exclusions and exemptions.

Also note scots law differs from english law.

Jeez.. are you guys allowed to own big rocks? j/k :D

I am interested in the difference between English and Scots firearms laws..

.. and what is the difference between sub-machine gun and machine gun?

[TLAM Strike]

.. and what is the difference between sub-machine gun and machine gun? Well technically (not necessarily legally) its caliber. Generaly SMGs fire bullets common to hand guns (.45, 9mm) while MGs fire bullets common to rifles (7.62 etc).

[Bertgang]

As said past times, we europeans look at american laws & constitutionnal rights about firearms as a really strange thing.

Well, the only one I currently have is a sort of single shot trumpet pistol from XiX century, pure Oncle Scroogle style; it could fire a bullet with the size of a golf ball, but the normal ammo should be a spread of several smaller ones; I won't try it for sure, as I suspect that it should be the last stupid thing made during my life.

[SUBMAN1]

anyone who replies to ths post in favour of guns is a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy as soon as u wake up and smell the salt the better

Huh? DO you even know what you just said? :) That is funny! I think you are trying to be funny, right? :)

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.

Mohandas Gandhi

[SUBMAN1]

Sigmund Freud, the father of modern psychoanalysis, stated the following: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis".

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Hoplophobia, (pronounced HOP-li-fobia), from the Greek hoplon, or weapon, is a phobia identified by firearms instructor Colonel Jeff Cooper in 1962. His intent was to satirically use a clinical term to bring public recognition of the irrational fear of firearms and other forms of weaponry such as knives or explosives. He stated that "the most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user". Hoplophobia is deemed to be a cultural side effect of those who engage in the primordial human belief systems that anthropologists refer to as "animism", or the belief that inanimate objects can hold spirits that can effect human actions.

[SUBMAN1]

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.gif

Anyone want to guess what happened between 1992 and 1995 to cause the dramatic drop in Americas violent crime rates?

-S

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm

[Khayman]

Seriously? I thought you could have shotguns there too!.

As well as police and medical checks you also have to prove to the police that you have a good reason to own a shotgun or firearm certificate. I imagine self defence or zombie invasion don't quite qualify :)

[Sailor Steve]

@Sailor Steve
ok my facts where not correct but cant you see my point.

That bill of rights was written hundreds of years ago and is way out of date. Kap's shotiing his pal cause he pissed him off proves something if your upset and angry like most humans get more than once a day and you have a gun in your hand then its going to happen. The mix of human emotion and firearms is not a good one but a country that has at least 1 firearm for evrery person is asking for trouble.

And yes i have an opinion like everyone else but my extreme is the oposite of your's and your nations blinkered view about your rights is what is the underlying problem. Do u know that the USA has the least percentage of people that own a passport also the least percentage that learn another language. And you have the cheek to call other nations insular and isolationalist.

You have a word that you use all the time which you have no concept of: FREEDOM. Except in one way the freedom to kill each other at random with firearms. You actually do that quite well!
I will agree that any freedom requires some responsibility. On the other hand, I live in a state that is larger than the main island of the British Isles, yet has a total population of just two million people. A friend who lives just outside of Salt Lake City owns horses and has problems with mountain lions. Dick Cheney was criticized for supporting gun ownership, but no one ever points out that he is from Wyoming, a state much larger than Utah yet with less than half the population. Where he's from it's possible to have a bear-or a burglar-come through the window, and the nearest cop is 300 miles away.

I don't own a passport or speak another language, both of which I sometimes regret. On the other hand, I live in a country that is larger than all of western Europe combined. The nearest large city from mine-Las Vegas-is a six-hour drive away, at 100 kph. The only country I could possibly visit without making an all-day flight is Mexico, and they are more than eager to learn English; except of course the ones who are here, and they want us all to speak Spanish.

I agree that places like New York may need strong gun control; we don't, and for that reason I stand against national gun control laws.

[SUBMAN1]

@Sailor Steve
ok my facts where not correct but cant you see my point.

That bill of rights was written hundreds of years ago and is way out of date. Kap's shotiing his pal cause he pissed him off proves something if your upset and angry like most humans get more than once a day and you have a gun in your hand then its going to happen. The mix of human emotion and firearms is not a good one but a country that has at least 1 firearm for evrery person is asking for trouble.

And yes i have an opinion like everyone else but my extreme is the oposite of your's and your nations blinkered view about your rights is what is the underlying problem. Do u know that the USA has the least percentage of people that own a passport also the least percentage that learn another language. And you have the cheek to call other nations insular and isolationalist.

You have a word that you use all the time which you have no concept of: FREEDOM. Except in one way the freedom to kill each other at random with firearms. You actually do that quite well!
I will agree that any freedom requires some responsibility. On the other hand, I live in a state that is larger than the main island of the British Isles, yet has a total population of just two million people. A friend who lives just outside of Salt Lake City owns horses and has problems with mountain lions. Dick Cheney was criticized for supporting gun ownership, but no one ever points out that he is from Wyoming, a state much larger than Utah yet with less than half the population. Where he's from it's possible to have a bear-or a burglar-come through the window, and the nearest cop is 300 miles away.

I don't own a passport or speak another language, both of which I sometimes regret. On the other hand, I live in a country that is larger than all of western Europe combined. The nearest large city from mine-Las Vegas-is a six-hour drive away, at 100 kph. The only country I could possibly visit without making an all-day flight is Mexico, and they are more than eager to learn English; except of course the ones who are here, and they want us all to speak Spanish.

I agree that places like New York may need strong gun control; we don't, and for that reason I stand against national gun control laws.

Well put SS. Except, I don't think gun control should be in New York either. Look at my statistics above. The drop in violent crime coincides with the mass issuance of Concealed Weapons Permits - and it had a dramatic effect almost overnight. We now have 1/3rd the violent crime in the US since states started doing this.

-S

PS. I forgot to mention that states that kept their control laws and did not adopt CWP's have continued on at the very same rate prior to the 1990's in number of violent crimes. So technically, overall the statistics should be even lower, but these few states that held out and refused to issue permits are dragging the numbers up - making it look worse than it actually is for most states, even though it looks really good - it should look better!

PPS. As of 1998, our violent crime rate had already dropped to less than half of Englands rate (That statistic is buried in this forum somewhere - I found the actual reported English violent crimes), so as of today, we are probably 1/4 or less than England now.

[SUBMAN1]

I am a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy, with a Heckler & Koch P7 M8 9mm.
I have been shooting thousands of bullets since 1989 and I have never hit anybody...
:doh:

If you want to sell that, I might be interested. :)

-S

[Abraham]

I am a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy, with a Heckler & Koch P7 M8 9mm.
I have been shooting thousands of bullets since 1989 and I have never hit anybody...
:doh:

If you want to sell that, I might be interested. :)

-S
No no no, there is a misunderstanding here. I am quite happy with my high-tech gun. Happily shoothing away those rounds.
The fact that I never hit anybody may well be due to the fact that I never aimed a loaded gun at anybody, and most probably will never do so.
Wim Libaerts figured that one out, I think...
:D

[Wim Libaers]

Either that, or it'd be the longest session of suppressive fire in human history.

[TLAM Strike]

The fact that I never hit anybody may well be due to the fact that I never aimed a loaded gun at anybody, and most probably will never do so. You don't know me well enough yet... :-j

[SUBMAN1]

I am a *******ing nutjob who needs therapy, with a Heckler & Koch P7 M8 9mm.
I have been shooting thousands of bullets since 1989 and I have never hit anybody...
:doh:

If you want to sell that, I might be interested. :)

-S
No no no, there is a misunderstanding here. I am quite happy with my high-tech gun. Happily shoothing away those rounds.
The fact that I never hit anybody may well be due to the fact that I never aimed a loaded gun at anybody, and most probably will never do so.
Wim Libaerts figured that one out, I think...
:D

I was just making a suggestion since a P7 would make a nice addition to my collection! :P

A 9mm is a good plinker. Make sure you get 147 gr ammo for it though since 115 gr has been proven ineffective in taking down a bad guy (according to the FBI). I can recall the guy the police shot 32 times with 115 gr and he still didn't die! 115 gr is good for plinking however! Found it for $4 a box last time I was in AZ, so we bought 1000 rds and grabbed a Glock 18, and 3 MP5's and took off to the desert!

-S

[The Noob]

What firearms do you use and what are your favourites?


I Never had a Gun. But the German P38 Looks Quite Cool. But Even if i may buy it Someday, i will Have no ammo for it cos i only want It cos it was the Commanders Gun on a U-Boat. The Commanders gun was a P38 Wasn't it? :hmm:

[ABBAFAN]

probably a walther.

[The Noob]

probably a walther.

Pics? Links? Were can i LEGALLY Buy one?

[The Noob]

Stupid idea, wrong place for that.

Sorry.

[SUBMAN1]

Stupid idea, wrong place for that.

Sorry.

Legally buy one? Pretty much anywhere in the US.

What country are you in?

-S

[The Noob]

I'm in Austria. Thats Pretty Much Like Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria

[bradclark1]

This is my weapon and this is my gun(holding crotch). This is for killing and this is for fun.

[SUBMAN1]

I'm in Austria. Thats Pretty Much Like Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria

Do they allow you to own anything in Austria?

-S

[Ducimus]

I used to be a gun nut.

7 years in the mililtar cured me of that. Now while i don't particularly hate them, im not all that enthusiastic about them either. It's a tool for a job, and it has to be cleaned and maintained. (thats the part that cured me of my enthusiasm).

For home defense, id prefer a short barreled pump action shotgun sans plug, with an extended magazine tube that extends the length of the barrel. Must be able to shoot up to 3 inch high brass magnum w/ a buckshot load.

For target shooting, if i could afford it, id get an M14. Very nice solid piece.

Never was much for sidearms, but i suppose id enjoy your standard 9mm military issue pieces. Never was much on Dirty harry, although as a special intrest piece, id love to have some old colt navy's to target shoot with.


As a primary duty weapon, i think id prefer an AK74, since its the most modern AK varient im aware of. I honestly never did like M16's all that much. (ive used A1's, A2's and M4's) Sure the magazines are lighter, and their more accurate at range, but ive found them far too tempermental to the enviorment, you have to keep those rifles immaculate. of all the M16's If i HAD to use one, i think id take an A1 with the forward assist and a 30 round magazine.

[TLAM Strike]

As a primary duty weapon, i think id prefer an AK74, since its the most modern AK varient im aware of.

AK-101 (5.56x45 NATO)
AK-103 (7.62mm x 39mm)
AK-107 (5.45 x 39 mm)
AK-108 (5.56 x 45 mm NATO)

;)

[Ducimus]

Yeah i went to gun.ru and found that out right after i made my last post. :D

I don't keep up on firearms that much anymore. Hell, i dont own anything but a shotgun, and that is for bird hunting :roll:

One of thse days im going to buy that home defense shotgun like ive been wanting, but i always find other things that need my monitary attention more.

My father's like "why that shotgun" (and he owns ALOT of firearms) i told him its better to have one and not need it, then to need it and not have it.

My wife wants a handgun, but id rather a shotgun for 2 reasons.

1. LIttle to no aiming required, (as compared to a handgun), your most likely to hit your intruder.

2. less penetration. Id rather not a stray round go through a wall and hit one of my neighbors.

Primary advatnage to a handgun is it would be better in close quarters, but most home defense shotguns are short enough to where its not too much of an issue.

[JBClark]

A Marlin .22 my dad gave me for my 12th birthday.

A Marlin .30-30 I bought for myself when I was 18.

A Mossberg 12 Ga. auto to replace the Mossberg 12 Ga. pump my crack-head ex-girlfriend stole to buy crack.

A .45 Auto, because no man should be without a .45.

Various .22 handguns because of their sheer utility.

This is probably all I really need for the rest of my life but I want several more:

Something for long range, like a Ruger No.1 7mm Remington Magnum with a scope that cost more than the rifle.

Something for big bears or engine blocks like a Marlin .45-70.

And if I ever got rich: a Blaser Bock-drilling.

Gun control means hitting your target.

Cheers,

JBC

[Happy Times]

This would be fun, i just dont know if you can get a licence for it here :) http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh07-e.htm

[TLAM Strike]

This would be fun, i just dont know if you can get a licence for it here :) http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh07-e.htm

If I ever do purchase a firearm that is the one I’m going for. :up:

[Happy Times]

These i would also like to own. The SAKO Rk-95 http://world.guns.ru/assault/as43-e.htm , IMI Micro-Galil http://world.guns.ru/assault/as23-e.htm, H&K MP5 http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg14-e.htm , AS50 http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn67-e.htm , SAKO TRG 42 http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn22-e.htm , Pecheneg http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg30-e.htm .. :D After i edited the M4A1 and Barret of the list, no US weapons remain, funny thing. :oops:

[SUBMAN1]

I used to be a gun nut.

7 years in the mililtar cured me of that. Now while i don't particularly hate them, im not all that enthusiastic about them either. It's a tool for a job, and it has to be cleaned and maintained. (thats the part that cured me of my enthusiasm).

For home defense, id prefer a short barreled pump action shotgun sans plug, with an extended magazine tube that extends the length of the barrel. Must be able to shoot up to 3 inch high brass magnum w/ a buckshot load.

For target shooting, if i could afford it, id get an M14. Very nice solid piece.

Never was much for sidearms, but i suppose id enjoy your standard 9mm military issue pieces. Never was much on Dirty harry, although as a special intrest piece, id love to have some old colt navy's to target shoot with.


As a primary duty weapon, i think id prefer an AK74, since its the most modern AK varient im aware of. I honestly never did like M16's all that much. (ive used A1's, A2's and M4's) Sure the magazines are lighter, and their more accurate at range, but ive found them far too tempermental to the enviorment, you have to keep those rifles immaculate. of all the M16's If i HAD to use one, i think id take an A1 with the forward assist and a 30 round magazine.

One thing about that AK-74 is that gas line. Touch it the wrong way and your whole gun is screwed which is its biggest weakness. Of course, most of the AK's I shot are typically very reliable in any environment.

THis brings me to the M-16 and AR-15 I agree that some of them are tempermental, but what I have found is that the gas port and how it connects to the bolt is what causes any M-16 or AR-15 to be tempermental. Mine is perfect so I never have a jam in any kind of climate / weather / conditions. It works regardless of how crammed up with junk it is no problem. The only other real issue I have seen is magazines. My old Colt mags suck and will jam once in a while, but the Bushmaster with the green follower work flawlessly time and time again. What I have is in effect a well operating gun that I would bet my life on.

I did come across one time of an M-16 that was purchased by a friend of mine. It was completely as tempermental as you say. At first it was thought that tiny bits of sand from the AZ desert was the cause and it was even put through the sonic cleaners to no effect. Even though the gas port looked fine, it was readjusted anyway and it turned out to be the cuase. Now you can fill that thing with muck and grime and put 3000 rounds through in a a few hours and it still won't jam. Matter of fact, I don't ever remember even having to force the bolt closed after putting a ton of ammo through it.

Yes I agree - cleaning sucks and that is why I don't care to go shooting much either anymore because of the hours of cleaning afterwards. I need to buy one of those sonic cleaners I think. My friend just pops his stuff apart, drops it in, and comes back later to a perfectly cleaned part. It makes me sick that I am cleaning and he is off doing whatever while his stuff gets cleaned for him!

-S

PS. Go try a fully auto Kirkov if you ever get the chance. Though it is not the most accurate thing, it throws a flame like nothing else!

[August]

This is my shotgun. Mossberg model 590

http://www.globalhunt.es/imagesref/AAE101022.gif

[Happy Times]

This is my shotgun. Mossberg model 590

http://www.globalhunt.es/imagesref/AAE101022.gifYou got the bayonet for that? Might even be useful in a home invasion type of scenario.. Werent you
ex SF? Nice supprise for the one that brakes in the house with you and that arsenal :lol:

[Ishmael]

I grew up with guns in the house

22 nylon 66
300 magnum
357 magnum pistol

qualified in the USN on

45 auto pistol
12 guage pump
Thompson 45 submachinegun
M-14
M-16
M-60 LMG
(Nuclear Weapons Security Alert Team)

I didn't own a firearm from 1978 to 2004 when I took my latest job maintaining Microwave radio sites on the mountaintops of New Mexico. After seeing the Grizzley Bear signs at San Antonio Mtn(Big Dents on the walls and roof of the site), I bought a nice Romanian folding-stock AK-47(7.62) with 2 30 round clips(the same gun Bin-Laden uses in the file footage). Since I'm usually 200 mile from home, I bought the wife her weapon of choice, a Mossberg 12-guage pump.

Of course, I may start buying more assault weapons if Bush & Cheney keep doing what their doing. The 2nd amendment was drafted as the ultimate popular check on governmental power.

[August]

You got the bayonet for that? Might even be useful in a home invasion type of scenario.. Werent you
ex SF? Nice supprise for the one that brakes in the house with you and that arsenal :lol:

Yeah my AR bayonet fits on it, although i normally don't keep it mounted, therefore it wouldn't be useful in a home defense situation.

I couldn't think of a better home defense weapon than a pump shotgun, even if money and gun laws weren't a factor. Nothing says "git" like racking a round into the chamber. Of course i'd rather they did git, but if not it will more than amply take care of business.

Also you're less likely to shoot your foot off with them, buckshot doesn't penetrate walls very well and they can serve as a pretty good club in a pinch.

[Happy Times]

In Finland you cant shoot to defend your home or business. :-? Even if the invaders are armed. :doh: A gas station owner got sentenced to fines for shooting a robber in the leg. :down: Only one i know that got away with it is the war veteran that shot a guy that broke in his home with an axe. Theres a case in court against a police officer that shot at a drug addict that tried to drive over the officer and other people. :o But i know i wont hesitate if it comes to that , il just buy my guns illegal after that :D

[Happy Times]

This guard would have been convicted of murder or attempted murder in Finland. http://www.break.com/index/robberyontape.html Somebody even want to get in to prison because you get a monthly check from the state. :doh: The softnes on crime is the most facked up thing in Finland. According to polls it goes against the peoples sense of law and order. Its a result of a socialist experiment, but there are signs its coming to its end :rock:

[SUBMAN1]

In Finland you cant shoot to defend your home or business. :-? Even if the invaders are armed. :doh: A gas station owner got sentenced to fines for shooting a robber in the leg. :down: Only one i know that got away with it is the war veteran that shot a guy that broke in his home with an axe. Theres a case in court against a police officer that shot at a drug addict that tried to drive over the officer and other people. :o But i know i wont hesitate if it comes to that , il just buy my guns illegal after that :D

THat is the dumbest law ever! :) I can't believe people would stand for that. If people are in your home, they have intent to do you or your livelyhood wrong, so I believe you have the right to defend yourself and your possesions. Without a law like that, your crime will continue to rise since there is no consequence if the police can't catch you. Obviously, if these people are breaking into your homes, that is a VERY CLEAR sign that the police are incapable of doing thier jobs.

-S

[Happy Times]

In Finland you cant shoot to defend your home or business. :-? Even if the invaders are armed. :doh: A gas station owner got sentenced to fines for shooting a robber in the leg. :down: Only one i know that got away with it is the war veteran that shot a guy that broke in his home with an axe. Theres a case in court against a police officer that shot at a drug addict that tried to drive over the officer and other people. :o But i know i wont hesitate if it comes to that , il just buy my guns illegal after that :D

THat is the dumbest law ever! :) I can't believe people would stand for that. If people are in your home, they have intent to do you or your livelyhood wrong, so I believe you have the right to defend yourself and your possesions. Without a law like that, your crime will continue to rise since there is no consequence if the police can't catch you. Obviously, if these people are breaking into your homes, that is a VERY CLEAR sign that the police are incapable of doing thier jobs.

-SIt does go against what people want. Andt it is going to change as the pressure starts to feell in the parlament. The police is allready getting more rights to do its job. One big problem is the lack of funds in the police forces that leaves many open vacancies. Per capita Finland has the lowest figure of police officers in Europe. The end of Soviet Union brought the drugs and organized crime from Russia , though now we got the Hells Angels and Bandidos of our own also. Positives are that we still have a very small crime rate, probably worlds lowest corruption in the police force and legal system that doesnt make it possible to get off because of any technicalities.

[SUBMAN1]

Here are Interpol 2001 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):

4161 - US
7736 - Germany
6941 - France
9927 - England and Wales


Doesn't England have the most restrictive laws when it comes to defense of crimes?

-S

PS. By the way, the US numbers are probably between 1/3 to 1/2 of what they were in 2001 today, so this graph will probably be even more way out of balance if you looked at 2005 numbers. THe US should read between 2000 to 3000 somewhere today.

[SUBMAN1]

One more thing, I never said if I like guns or not as asked in the original post. My answer to this question is no, I do not like guns in a sense that I am awed by them or worship them. Some are entertaining to shoot however if just for the experience.

-S

PS. I do consider them a neccesary evil however in an imperfect world. If there were no violence, no stealing, no evil people out to do me harm, no one out to better themselves at my expense, I'd be happy to destroy every last gun on the planet. Sadly, no matter how much people want society to be like this, it is forever an impossibility. This is what makes guns a neccesary evil and why they will always be with us in some form or fasion.

PPS. Besides, you may need one to eat someday if society falls. A rabbit or a deer tastes a whole lot better than some pine tree.

PPPS. The terrorist guys are with us as well. Back near Snoqualimie pass in Washington state, I was testing my new Land Rover Sunday and wouldn't you know it but a guy dressed like he was just out of Afganistan with black ammo/accesory belt type water carrier, with extra space for cantene and of course what looked like soft blue gun covers in his trunk was preparing to go for a hike it would seem. It looks like they are training in our own mountains. He stared right at me, studying me, and I stared right back at him. Nice. I didn't go analyze what he was doing since my .45 was in my parked Land Rover back down the road. The only difference with this guy vs. what you see on the news is that he had expensive shades on and drives a small aqua blue Acura.

[August]

PPPS. The terrorist guys are with us as well. Back near Snoqualimie pass in Washington state, I was testing my new Land Rover Sunday and wouldn't you know it but a guy dressed like he was just out of Afganistan with black ammo/accesory belt type water carrier, with extra space for cantene and of course what looked like soft blue gun covers in his trunk was preparing to go for a hike it would seem. It looks like they are training in our own mountains. He stared right at me, studying me, and I stared right back at him. Nice. I didn't go analyze what he was doing since my .45 was in my parked Land Rover back down the road. The only difference with this guy vs. what you see on the news is that he had expensive shades on and drives a small aqua blue Acura.

If this really happened Subman then you ought to report it to the authorities asap. After all you'd hate to recognize his face on a perpetrators list of another 9-11 style attack some day and realize that you didn't do anything about it when you had the chance.

[SUBMAN1]

PPPS. The terrorist guys are with us as well. Back near Snoqualimie pass in Washington state, I was testing my new Land Rover Sunday and wouldn't you know it but a guy dressed like he was just out of Afganistan with black ammo/accesory belt type water carrier, with extra space for cantene and of course what looked like soft blue gun covers in his trunk was preparing to go for a hike it would seem. It looks like they are training in our own mountains. He stared right at me, studying me, and I stared right back at him. Nice. I didn't go analyze what he was doing since my .45 was in my parked Land Rover back down the road. The only difference with this guy vs. what you see on the news is that he had expensive shades on and drives a small aqua blue Acura.

If this really happened Subman then you ought to report it to the authorities asap. After all you'd hate to recognize his face on a perpetrators list of another 9-11 style attack some day and realize that you didn't do anything about it when you had the chance.

Yeah - what is the first thing they will ask me? Well, Did you get the license number? The answer is no - he was standing in front of it (probably on purpose). Did you see guns? No is the answer other than what looks like soft gun cases from a distance. And with those shades and beard, he looks like all the rest. I have no real information to give them other than what might be termed as, a guy dressed like a raghead was up in the mountains. If I had more to give, than I would. There were quite a few other people around too so hopefully someone got to see what his license # was when I couldn't. I unfortunately kept my distance.

-S

PS. I'll ask my friend what road we were on and tell them what I saw, but I doubt they will care much since I have nothing hard to give them.

PPS. THe only reason I think he parked there around the other people is because the snow blocked his little Acura from going any further.

[SUBMAN1]

This reminds me of back in 2001 when I was on the BC Ferries going to Vancouver Island and I saw a group if these Arab guys photographing the emergency exits and taking notes and having some big conversations about the exits themselves. What made me notice them is they were trying hard to look natural in an unnatural way, such as having an umbrella on a cold sunny day. I figured they were contractors or something at the time, but with all this terrorist garbage, I think a BC Ferry is on the hit list at some point.

-S

[August]

Well the law might not do anything about it but at least you'd have the satisfaction of knowing that you did your part.

[SUBMAN1]

I don't know much about Acura's because I am not a fan, but I found the exact make and model and color of the car, so that is a step in the right direction.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8453/tcar8fq.png

[Happy Times]

Go quick, they might get him in satellite imagery or just from a gas station surveillence tapes. You never know :hmm:

[SUBMAN1]

Well, I wrote an email detailing everything I know to the Seattle FBI office. What they do with it now is their parogative and I have done my duty.

-S

[Happy Times]

If they dont check on you tomorrow, they have to be stupid or underfunded, both cases makes one worry.. And if you vanish from the forums youve struck gold :lol:

[SUBMAN1]

If they dont check on you tomorrow, they have to be stupid or underfunded, both cases makes one worry.. And if you vanish from the forums youve struck gold :lol:

I doubt they will check on me. I didn't give them anything significant other than a description of a guy at a certain location. Nothing else to go on.

-S

[Abraham]

Well, I wrote an email detailing everything I know to the Seattle FBI office. What they do with it now is their parogative and I have done my duty.

-S
You'll be amazed how sometimes small details fit into a bigger picture, or how some insignificant tales may lead to an important investigation...

Well done SUBMAN1
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[ABBAFAN]

Im selling one of my shotguns to buy a matchlock.

[Ishmael]

PPPS. The terrorist guys are with us as well. Back near Snoqualimie pass in Washington state, I was testing my new Land Rover Sunday and wouldn't you know it but a guy dressed like he was just out of Afganistan with black ammo/accesory belt type water carrier, with extra space for cantene and of course what looked like soft blue gun covers in his trunk was preparing to go for a hike it would seem. It looks like they are training in our own mountains. He stared right at me, studying me, and I stared right back at him. Nice. I didn't go analyze what he was doing since my .45 was in my parked Land Rover back down the road. The only difference with this guy vs. what you see on the news is that he had expensive shades on and drives a small aqua blue Acura.

You were right to do so. On 9/10/2001 I was working for a telcomm company in LA doing an install of a circuit for a phone card/throwaway call phone retailer at Venice & Vermont in the stone ghetto of South-Central Los Angeles. You had to be buzzed in past 4 clean-shaven Arabic looking guys by the front door. When I went into the back to hook up the T1, I noticed 3 classic-looking fundamentalists with the beards and beanies in their shipping room speaking Arabic. Having a smattering of many languages, I did my work then went to go around the back of the building to check the connection from Bell. As I passed them I said,"Was Salaam Aleikum" to them. Every other time I've spoken Arabic to Arabs here, their eyes would light up and they would be so happy someone was speaking to them in their own language. These guys looked at each other and muttered,"Aleikum Was Sallam" back to me. When I finished my work outside, I came back inside to finish my tests. None of those guys spoke Arabic in my presence again. In fact, the 4 guys in front were giving me the hairy eyeball when I left.

Of course, the next day was Sept. 11 and they sent me home early. On Sept 12, I was on the phone to the Fat Boy's Institute(FBI). Within half an hour, a special agent was calling me back and taking all the info I had on these guys. I did a wabsearch of the company(9278 Communications) and found out they were based out of Egypt with offices in NY, LA & Seattle. I ran the story by a couple of friends in intelligence and they confirmed I had probably stumbled across a logistics cell of Al Qaeda.

[Abraham]

@ Ishmael:
This is what I ment when I commented on SUBMAN1.
In this kind of situation the authorities are very much depending upon the cooperation of the general public.
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We're pretty much off topic though.
:D