Airbus or Boeing ?

[Kapitan]

What is you favorite type of aircraft airbus boeing or other please specify reasons for you choice.

I prefer the Airbus purely because it is revolutionary and also uses so many back up systems that it is hard to fail.

what about you lot?

[Takeda Shingen]

This again? I smell a bar fight coming.

[Linton]

It has got to be Airbus.The quality of the engineering is far better than Boeing.Think Ferrari compared to Buick!

[Kapitan]

Airbus all the way Boing has had a little to much sucsess and is due a down fall.

[TteFAboB]

Embraer.

The story of how a poorly managed state company, with no innovation, goes from this:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1024195/L/

To this:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0991312/L/

After it was finally put in private hands.

[Kapitan]

Not a bad story realy EMB make some good planes and some that rival boeing and airbus.

[TLAM Strike]

Boeing... "Because I'm proud to be an American!"

:D ;)

[Torplexed]

I'm from Seattle...how do you expect me to respond? :D Actually, Ive flown on my share of Airbuses and they're pretty nice aircraft.

[The Avon Lady]

This would be a great test to do blindfolded, with similar seats, leg room, plane age and seat location within cabin.

I doubt anyone would know the difference.

[Kapitan]

You can as it goes the A320 and A330 series have more of a bucketed seat than boeing and also the A340 compaired to the 744 hsa a tad more leg room.

[The Avon Lady]

You can as it goes the A320 and A330 series have more of a bucketed seat than boeing and also the A340 compaired to the 744 hsa a tad more leg room.
To the best of my knowledge, leg room is totally dependent on the customer's configuration preferences.

I also understand that there are more than one seat model to select from.

Can anyone else confirm that?

[Kapitan]

Yes there is airbus have even offerd a custom seat design for planes.

[Oberon]

Mikojan & Gurevich :D

[STEED]

Airbus :)

[Kapitan]

Mig's now they make some very nice aircraft Mig 29 can out monover most aircraft. nice thought too.

[Takeda Shingen]

Cessna.

[STEED]

Mig's now they make some very nice aircraft Mig 29 can out monover most aircraft. nice thought too.

As far as I know only the MIG 29 and SU 27 can pull off the cobra movment.

[TLAM Strike]

Cessna.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/A37_Cessna_firing_Rockets.jpg
:rock: :rock: Cessna A-37 Dragonfly :rock: :rock:

[Kapitan]

Cobra and tail whip movements yes they sure can. :yep:

[Polak]

I dont trust Frech things... Neither do I trust things that are proudly made in the US of A... Who am I kiddin, I dont trust flying things...
I will allways choose a ship before an airplane. ;)

[Kapitan]

Your not alone

[Sailor Steve]

Boeing, for the history. I don't ride modern airliners, so I go back to the Boeing 100 Monomail, 299/B-17, Stratocruiser, B-29, B-52, 707/720/727/737 (a very pretty series, though De Havilland's Comet was prettier), all the classics.

[Bort]

Boeing for sure. They have been in business much longer than Airbus, and were the ones who revolutionized the industry. Also, because the A380 is an incredibly expensive dud that will only sell to a few European and Asian carriers. It's ridiculously huge and most Airlines that are already flying the 747 will just buy the 747-8 rather than spending a ton building new infrastrucure to support the A380, at the few airports that can accomadate it. Plus the 787 will be a real winner and will beat the pants off the A350! :rock:
http://www.aircraft-info.net/aircraft/jet_aircraft/boeing/7e7/7E7Dreamliner_6.jpg

[Abraham]

Mig's now they make some very nice aircraft Mig 29 can out monover most aircraft. nice thought too.
But how is the seating configuration as The Avon Lady asked. How about legroom, aisles, seats per row?
I really don't know, I never flew one.
:D

[Oberon]

Mig's now they make some very nice aircraft Mig 29 can out monover most aircraft. nice thought too.
But how is the seating configuration as The Avon Lady asked. How about legroom, aisles, seats per row?
I really don't know, I never flew one.
:D

Probably roomier than Easyjet :-j


What about BAe? I don't see many people meantioning them? They gave us Concorde after all...perhaps a one hit wonder...but what a hit! :rock:

[STEED]

Just for you Kapitain

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/RS42/030610-F-7709A-002.jpg

[Oberon]

Nice pic!!

I've always liked this one....
There's a bigger version if you throw MiG-29 into google image search:
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/9505/mig29pilot1jv.jpg

[Abraham]

... What about BAe? I don't see many people meantioning them? They gave us Concorde after all...
I'm mad at them, I never got mine!
:D

[Kapitan]

that and the hawk which the red arrows fly they make exocet (part of) and also the harrier.

[Sea Demon]

Cessna.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/A37_Cessna_firing_Rockets.jpg
:rock: :rock: Cessna A-37 Dragonfly :rock: :rock:

Got about 85 hours in the T-37 tweet during my time down at Laughlin. Lots of fun, especially during formation flying. Interestingly enough, this jet has the quickest G' onset of any aircraft in the USAF inventory. :rock:

Airbus or Boeing???? Undecided. :shifty: Both manufacture great jets.

[GunnersMate]

I'm a sucker for F-14D. Can't beat 120mile AIM-54!
http://www.screaming-eagles.org/Pictures/Tomcat%20G's.jpg

[Kapitan]

Shame the tomcat is now retired but at least a few examples still remain the ones that we may fight very soon in iran.

[I-25]

lets not forget tupelov with there exelent saftey record :rotfl:

[STEED]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/RS42/1023431.jpg

[Kapitan]

TU22 Backfires they are very nice aircraft. :up:

[STEED]

Four more Kapitain, hey I just like the Russian planes.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/RS42/0974182.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/RS42/1020729.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/RS42/0931477.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/RS42/1014282.jpg

[Kapitan]

Nice pictures there i have a pic of a real life mig 21 that was in duxford :up:

[STEED]

Nice pictures there i have a pic of a real life mig 21 that was in duxford :up:

Same here, on one trip to Duxford a cold day got some good pics of a Mig 15 taking off. :D

[Kapitan]

Very nice :up:

[TLAM Strike]

Nice pictures there i have a pic of a real life mig 21 that was in duxford :up:

Same here, on one trip to Duxford a cold day got some good pics of a Mig 15 taking off. :D

Ahhhh the 15. Can't beat the origional! Probaly one of the few times the Soviets had a better aircraft than NATO. :up:
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/6546/mig15f866la.jpg
Ahhhhh those were the days...

Also I've always been partial to the Su-15 Flagon. :rock:
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/7697/1su150vv.jpg

[Kapitan]

Id take a boat theres been more air crashes than ferry accidents.

[STEED]

Ahhhh the 15. Can't beat the origional! Probaly one of the few times the Soviets had a better aircraft than NATO. :up:
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/6546/mig15f866la.jpg
Ahhhhh those were the days...



Nice :up:

The SU24 Fencer for me. :yep:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/RS42/1024687.jpg

[Etienne]

I will allways choose a ship before an airplane. ;)

Airplanes have backup systems for just about anything and are grounded for the slightest problems. When you read about passenger ferry accidents, you realise that some of them don't even have backups for basic stuff like radio and GPS. Compared to aviation, there's hardly any safety awareness at all on the sea. Ferrys scare me, I'd take an Airbus or Boeing anytime.

I think I'll print that out and post it in the ship's office next time I'm filling out some ISM forms. It might make me happier... Ah, screw it, it won't.

Have you ever been on a ship?

Have you ever heard of, say, SOLAS? GMDSS? ISM?

Ever heard of an emergency fire pump? That's a back up of the main fire pump. Same with the emergency generator - and you might have two or three mains. We also have batteries, too, because, you know, no safety conscience.

IMO says we need two radar, but that's only so we can hang laundry off the scanner - there's no way you can use the X band to back up the S band. And forget about using the radar to back up the GPS, that's waaaaaaay too complicated. We're too dumb to do that, because there's no convention on how trained and safety conscious we have to be.

Because, you know, STCW? Totally doesn't exist.

Oh yeah, the sextant's for show. No way we could use that as a backup for the GPS, I mean, what's that thing for, anyway? Let's just do like ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE and buy a second GPS. Hey, we'll even plug it into the GMDSS console and the batteries, so that the distress message already has a position in it! Cause we're too ****ing dumb not to sink!

Jesus christ, either you know what you're talking about, or you SHUT THE **** UP.

[Linton]

Here is a boeing pretending to be an Airbus:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-757_departure.wmv

[xrvjorn]

Jesus christ, either you know what you're talking about, or you SHUT THE frick UP.

Trying to impress us by mature language?

One of my friends lost his daughter on the "Estonia". "Estonia" COULD NOT transmit it's position since they lost the power supply for the GPS. They didn't even have a hand held unit for backup. Some interesting practices of the ferry lines around here where revealed after the accident, e g trucks where not secured against sliding in heavy weather.

After the fire on the "Scandinavian Star", a fire test was made on a section that either survived the fire on was rebuilt using the same materials (I don't remember which). Within 30 seconds, the section was filled with cyanide gas emitted from the burning plastics. Good luck trying to get an airplane certified with that choice of materials.

[Kapitan]

Eittene there knows exactly what he is talking about myself and him are in the same line of work.

NAVY

[Etienne]

One of my friends lost his daughter on the "Estonia". "Estonia" COULD NOT transmit it's position since they lost the power supply for the GPS. They didn't even have a hand held unit for backup. Some interesting practices of the ferry lines around here where revealed after the accident, e g trucks where not secured against sliding in heavy weather.

After the fire on the "Scandinavian Star", a fire test was made on a section that either survived the fire on was rebuilt using the same materials (I don't remember which). Within 30 seconds, the section was filled with cyanide gas emitted from the burning plastics. Good luck trying to get an airplane certified with that choice of materials.

Just like airlines, you have ferry lines that are fully compliant with all existing regulations, and you have ferry lines that are under the "40 ounces and a pack of smoke" inspection regimen. Estonia sunk twelve years ago, because of a monumental screw up. People have learned. Standards have changed (ISM! YEAH!) (A hand held GPS wouldn't have been much help, either. Trying to find it with a 30 degree list, in emergency lighting, then having to stand outside until you get the fix, in a storm, wouldn't make for a fun and happy time)

Badly lashed truck are dangerous. Lashing trucks take a long time. Time cost money. Passengers like cheap tickets. Yeah, it's a sucky situation, but economic pressure is just something we have to live with.

Scandinavian Star was built in 1971. Keel might have been laid down in 1970 or so. Wouldn't pass muster today.

Have you heard of SwissAir 111? Fire proof insulation on electrical wiring caught fire. They wouldn't let you use that on a boat, either - Now.

I'd much prefer travelling by sea than by air. But then, I'm willing to understand that there's a risk involved in any form of travel. And there are incompetent idiots working in any industry.

Saying that the whole maritime industry is not safety conscious is pretty offensive - We're just stuck with some unscrupulous owners, and, well, the competition's harsh.

Once aviation catches on to the whole flag-of-convenience gimmick, it'll be just as bad. :lol:

[Happy Times]

http://cimg.163.com/catchpic/D/DC/DC0CEF6472A0A3D0855D2AA99AD41859.jpg

[Kapitan]

If you like the A350 why not fly the A330 basicaly the same plane.

[Abraham]

I think I'll print that out and post it in the ship's office next time I'm filling out some ISM forms. It might make me happier... Ah, screw it, it won't.

Have you ever been on a ship?

Have you ever heard of, say, SOLAS? GMDSS? ISM?

Ever heard of an emergency fire pump? That's a back up of the main fire pump. Same with the emergency generator - and you might have two or three mains. We also have batteries, too, because, you know, no safety conscience.

IMO says we need two radar, but that's only so we can hang laundry off the scanner - there's no way you can use the X band to back up the S band. And forget about using the radar to back up the GPS, that's waaaaaaay too complicated. We're too dumb to do that, because there's no convention on how trained and safety conscious we have to be.

Because, you know, STCW? Totally doesn't exist.

Oh yeah, the sextant's for show. No way we could use that as a backup for the GPS, I mean, what's that thing for, anyway? Let's just do like ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE and buy a second GPS. Hey, we'll even plug it into the GMDSS console and the batteries, so that the distress message already has a position in it! Cause we're too ****ing dumb not to sink!

Jesus christ, either you know what you're talking about, or you SHUT THE frick UP.
@ Etienne:
Mind your tongue.
We try to keep things decent and everybody is entitled to an opinion, even a wrong one.

Abraham
(with moderator cap on)

[Linton]

Did any of you look at the 757 doing a fly -by and a vertical pull up?

[Oberon]

Yeah, it's good to see them doing that...I guess they don't get much of a chance when they've got passengers onboard :lol: