Eurofighter Typhoon

[STEED]

http://www.eurofighter.com/Default.asp?Flash=True

At long last we got a new combat aircraft for the UK :up:

[TLAM Strike]

:ping: What do you need it for? The old Lighting F.8 can still give an F-16 one hell of a fight! :rotfl:

[STEED]

Hey I don't work for the M.O.D :-j

[Kapitan]

During tests apparently the Eurofighter ran rings around the F22 dont know if its true or not.

Also during the farnborogh airshow a few years ago, the americans sent over a F117 night hawk, only thing was a rapier missile system had radar contact with it 100 miles from the british coast line so they turned it around and with drew it from the show.

[Sea Demon]

During tests apparently the Eurofighter ran rings around the F22 dont know if its true or not.

Also during the farnborogh airshow a few years ago, the americans sent over a F117 night hawk, only thing was a rapier missile system had radar contact with it 100 miles from the british coast line so they turned it around and with drew it from the show.

The Eurofighters went up against F-15E's which are more suited to pounding mud.

The second one is a bogus story.

[Kapitan]

So why did they suddenly turn the aircraft around?

Why was it published in alot of major papers front page?

When i get onto the BBC CNN FOX ABC news sites il search and find it because i do remember reading it.

"Stealth jet found" was the sun's heading" i remember that clear as day because i was on the floor laughing my guts out for a week.

[TLAM Strike]

So why did they suddenly turn the aircraft around?

Why was it published in alot of major papers front page?

When i get onto the BBC CNN FOX ABC news sites il search and find it because i do remember reading it.

"Stealth jet found" was the sun's heading" i remember that clear as day because i was on the floor laughing my guts out for a week.

Maybe it had mechanical troubles. Stuff breaks even American stuff. (at least we got steath aircraft :P ) It just takes one paper to put 1 and 1 together and get 27 then every other media outlet jumps on it. Plus the F-117 probably had its IFF transponder on and that’s what the Rapier site probably picked up

[Kapitan]

If it had machanical troubles International air safety (which includes millatery aircraft in peacetime) to land at any friendly millatery airport that is the closest.

Why would that jet come 3,000 miles get a fault and fly back with it another 3,000 miles? plain stupidity.

[Godalmighty83]

a stealth aircraft (i forget wether it was bomber or fighter) was tracked by a airport controller some years ago coming into an air show, the americans got huffy about it and did turn the plane around.

this is true, but the details have been altered often.


happened quite a few years ago now might well have been pre 2000, my memory is not as good as it used to be.

[Sea Demon]

a stealth aircraft (i forget wether it was bomber or fighter) was tracked by a airport controller some years ago coming into an air show, the americans got huffy about it and did turn the plane around.

this is true, but the details have been altered often.


happened quite a few years ago now might well have been pre 2000, my memory is not as good as it used to be.

Guys, guys, guys. What am I going to do with you. :nope: :-j :lol: You guys crack me up. Stealth aircraft will not approach an airshow where lots of aircraft are flying around without a transponder operating. That would be hazardous and against USAF SOP. When flying in congested airspace, you want to be visible. There is a way for the F-117 to open up some slats to make it less stealthy when being controlled by ATC. I was in the USAF and know people. This story is totally bogus. Plus the aircraft is actually stationed at another base in the UK, that's where it was going. Operating as a stealth aircraft in full configuration, they wouldn't be able to detect it unless real close. I'm talking less than 1.5 - 2 Km.

American stealth works real well. Ain't it a wonder why the UK is so hell bent on getting access to American Stealth Technology? They sure got their knickers in a wad because America isn't turning over the tech. :smug: Sounds to me like the military leaders in the UK seem to think it's worth the money. ;) My advice to you, don't believe all the BS you read on the Internet.

P.S. About your other story. Right now the F-22 is routinely fighting and killing 10 F-15C's simultaneously in one sortie. I don't think Eurofighter is going to be flying rings around it anytime soon. Those were the heavy ground-pounding F-15E's that the Eurofighter flew against. I don't think F-22 would have any difficulties against Eurofighter whatsoever. :D

[Kapitan]

Never heard of an airshow 100 miles out to see have you godalmighty?

[Sea Demon]

Never heard of an airshow 100 miles out to see have you godalmighty?

Controlled airspace and jet routes extend much further out than 100 miles. :yep: I mean where did you get your story???.....the Sun was it????? :lol:

[Rotary Crewman]

Not saying its the best thing since sliced bread and will run rings round F-22s, but the pilots i have spoken to have been amazed by the Typhoon. They used to say the Hawk was the best thing to fly, but now its this.

Seeing as we're the best in the world at doing a great deal with not alot of fancy kit, this can only be good for the Royal Air Force.

[Kapitan]

@ seademon

NAT tracs (nort atlantic tracks) are way north infact they are between the tip of wales and the tip of iceland that is where all north atlantic jets cross, they are between them two points.

To fly to spain on must first pass over bordeuxto fly that the pilots will fly over pourtsmouth which is far from the coast line at lands end.

Western approaches are used only by millatry aircraft as they regularly exercise there, and this is the route the F117 will have to have taken to enter British airspace.

Read up on it.

International rules state no twin engine jet can be more than 2 hours from a airport.

Aircraft must also follw designated waypoints along a set route known by both pilot and ATC.

[micky1up]

reguardless of airshow or not the plane was not on a military operation therefore has to have a transponder operating to be visable to the air traffic contollers of every country and airport where ever in the world that just the rules

[Kapitan]

Probably true, imagine if it was sqwarking 7500 (hijack) :rotfl:

scramble 5 jets "ok sir look for a big black triangle thing"

[Sea Demon]

@ seademon

blah, blah, blah.... :cry: :cry: :cry:



Give it up, it didn't happen. :D

[Kapitan]

If the transponed was on then every god dam pilot in the sky in that area and ATC would have seen it.

Stealth jet isnt 100% stealthy it does show up on radar all it does is make its cross section very very small a bit like theswedish stealth boat's.

[Abraham]

@ seademon
... International rules state no twin engine jet can be more than 2 hours from a airport...
There are many exceptions to that standard rule, military planes being just one of them...

[Kapitan]

It also depends on what airspace you are in on a nat track (controlled only by both canada and england), being in a twin engined airliner you must be within 2 hours of a field that is the rules and they havnt changed yet.

Exceptions do occour but its just normal.

[Linton]

Euro fighter was designed to intercept mig29's in the cold war that never turned hot(thankfully!)It is massively late and enormously over budget!The UK will probably sell some of the massive surplus they have ordered to the Saudi's as they often buy our old rubbish-think Tornado air defence variant!!
Typhoon is yesterdays aeroplane and the sooner the UK can get hold of some JSF the better it will be for the country.
Rapier is a short range sam and I know of no rapier batteries permanently established in Wales.
NAT tracks move every 12 hours due to forecast wind conditions-minimum time routes.
Civil aircaft frequently fly up to 207 minutes from a suitable airport-it is called ETOPS(engines turning or passengers swimming)
US stealth aircraft are now over a decade old and this technology has been superceded :ping:

[Kapitan]

ETOPS = Extended Twin Engined Oparations i like your veriant better :D

Id like to see Britiain get something like the F22 but doubt itll happen.

[JSLTIGER]

The American stealth that you are referring to here is based on the older F-117. Even if the Rapier battery could have ID'd it (without it squawking IFF codes), congratulations...an ultra-modern missile managed to pick up a 2nd generation stealth design (SR-71 being the first) that has been in service for almost thirty years and is being considered for retirement!

Even if the Typhoon is more maneuverable than the F-22 (which no one knows for certain, but I doubt it thanks to the F-22's thrust vectoring), the F-22 would still be able to pick up a Typhoon far further away than a Typhoon could pick up an F-22. At this point in time, where missiles can kill things BVR reliably, maneuverability is a luxury. Stealth is the key in the modern world. That's why the designs for the latest front line aircraft are stealth-based (e.g. B-2 (last bomber designed), F-22, and F-35).

[Rotary Crewman]

We will certainly find out when the two meet at an up and coming Red Flag.

Then there will be no arguments :)

[Abraham]

There can hartly be an argument now...
Read Cornwallis and JSLTIGER's posts. The F-22 and F-35 are of a different concept and at least half a generation ahead (as stealth is concerned at least a whole generation).
But I'm glad that the RAF has a new true fighterplane, be it the third best.
The last true fighter was the Hawker Hunter.
:D

[Kapitan]

I like the idea of the Eurofighter but america is not enamy it is friend and i like that.

[TLAM Strike]

The last true fighter was the Hawker Hunter.
:D

Arn't you forgetting the F-4 Phantom? :hmm:

[Abraham]

The last true fighter was the Hawker Hunter.
:D

Arn't you forgetting the F-4 Phantom? :hmm:
Are we talking about fighter planes or about over-engined, over-sized, badly glued plastic models of which the nose, the wings and the stabilizers hang down...
:D

[TLAM Strike]

The last true fighter was the Hawker Hunter.
:D

Arn't you forgetting the F-4 Phantom? :hmm:
Are we talking about fighter planes or about over-engined, over-sized, badly glued plastic models of which the nose, the wings and the stabilizers hang down...
:D

They were fine aircraft until the Brits messed them up with their Rolls Royce Spey turbofans instead of their proper US built GE J79 turbojets! Still but that badly glued plastic model was the best RAF/FAA fighter since the Spit!

[Kapitan]

F4 best fighter since the spit on your bike !

[TLAM Strike]

F4 best fighter since the spit on your bike !

Best RAF/FAA fighter since the Spit. Not my fault you guys didn't buy the whop ass F-8 Crusader. :roll:

[Kapitan]

Sadly the harrier has to be the best seeing as it shot down so many supersonic fighters in the falklands that were deemed to be so much more advanced than the little harriers.

what was the count some looses to 0

[TLAM Strike]

Sadly the harrier has to be the best seeing as it shot down so many supersonic fighters in the falklands that were deemed to be so much more advanced than the little harriers.

what was the count some looses to 0

USN/USMC F-8s Vs. NVAAF MiGs:
19:3

Not bad considering they were using the buggy AIM-9B Sidwinders and had resrictive ROEs.

:ping: Respect the 'MiG Master' (http://www.vectorsite.net/avcrus.html) :ping:

[Kapitan]

It probly has something to do with the fact the migs were not allowed to enguage without ground telling them, which was the case but yeah F8 was a good plane ugly but good.

[Abraham]

Hey TLAM Strike, what was the name of that attack plane that was deducted from the Crusader. Wasn't that the Vought A-? Corsair II or something? Looked smaller but was actually slightly larger and served in Vietnam (if I'm not mistaken).

[TLAM Strike]

... but yeah F8 was a good plane ugly but good. You know what happens to people who call the F-8 ugly...
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/1661/avcrus265ws.jpg
They get fed to it!
:P :lol:

[TLAM Strike]

Hey TLAM Strike, what was the name of that attack plane that was deducted from the Crusader. Wasn't that the Vought A-? Corsair II or something? Looked smaller but was actually slightly larger and served in Vietnam (if I'm not mistaken). The Vought A-7 Corsair II. :up:

My dad was a storekeeper for a A-7 Squadron. :rock:

[STEED]

... but yeah F8 was a good plane ugly but good. You know what happens to people who call the F-8 ugly...
http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/1661/avcrus265ws.jpg
They get fed to it!
:P :lol:

Man eating aircraft AHHRREEEEE Mutant.

[Abraham]

Hey TLAM Strike, what was the name of that attack plane that was deducted from the Crusader. Wasn't that the Vought A-? Corsair II or something? Looked smaller but was actually slightly larger and served in Vietnam (if I'm not mistaken). The Vought A-7 Corsair II. :up:
My dad was a storekeeper for a A-7 Squadron. :rock:
That was also a tough bastard, wasn't it?
Didn't the Airforce buy them as was?

[TLAM Strike]

Hey TLAM Strike, what was the name of that attack plane that was deducted from the Crusader. Wasn't that the Vought A-? Corsair II or something? Looked smaller but was actually slightly larger and served in Vietnam (if I'm not mistaken). The Vought A-7 Corsair II. :up:
My dad was a storekeeper for a A-7 Squadron. :rock:
That was also a tough bastard, wasn't it?
Didn't the Airforce buy them as was?

Yea they were tough and strong. My dad loves to say 'an A-7 carry an A-6 Intruder'! Which isn't far from the truth.

They sure could take some damage:
On 18 November 1971, Major Colin A. Clarke led a successful mission near Thanh Hoa to rescue a downed F-105 Wild Weasel crew. The mission lasted a total of 8.8 hours during which Clarke and his wingman took a number of hits from 13 mm (0.51 cal) anti-aircraft fire. For his actions in coordinating the rescue, Clarke was awarded the Air Force Cross, the USAF's second-highest medal.
and give it in return...
The A-7D flew a total of 12,928 combat sorties during the war with only 4 losses -- the lowest of any US fighter in the theatre. The aircraft was second only to B-52 Stratofortress in the amount of ordinance dropped on Hanoi and dropped more bombs per sortie with greater accuracy than any other US attack aircraft.


They served in the USN, USAF, US ANG It was also exported to South Vietnam (during the Vietnam War), Greece (in the 1970s, and converted to an Air Defense role!), Portugal, and Thailand (in the late 1980s)

[Abraham]

Thanks TLAM Strike!

[Kapitan]

HAHAHA i like that pic :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Linton]

I would vote for the sea harrier as the fighter I would want to go to war in.

[Kapitan]

They are very good, mig 29 and 31 also and 25 the sukhois are very nice smooth planes and so are F15's.

Got to love the lightning though.

[Abraham]

I think we Dutch are for the time being still quite happy with one of the most adaptable planes ever, the F-16 (newest update).
Perhaps Typhoon operating countries will have an edge the next couple of years, but as soon as the F-35 will be 'on line', we'll again be fine!

[Kapitan]

German Mig29 during combat exercises out performed the F16 out monoverd it and also killed all 4 simulated in a one v four dog fight with the beligum air force (think it was them).

[jumpy]

Got to love the lightning though.

Is that the 'two big jet engines and a seat... oh yeh, and some old wing thingys we've got lying about Lightening? :lol:

[Kapitan]

Yup the same planes that can give the F15 a run for its money litteraly!

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g135/BAW1044/howlow.jpg

This is flying at 27 feet at mach one

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g135/BAW1044/tightly.jpg

Tight turns for landing

[Linton]

Tornado at its max operational altitude!I would rather go to war in the Tristar.A friend did the flight testing for the RAF and reckoned that a lot of Lockheeds test data was rubbish especially their figures for corner speed.