Blair: how to make a complete idiot of oneself

[Skybird]

In the past I have laughed about Blair proclaiming "Europe's and Islam's cooperation on the basis of shared values". But this time Tony tops even his own folly by miles and lightyears. I wonder what kind of desease is ticking in his brain. Or is it just lacking education?

http://www.themuslimweekly.com/fullstoryview.aspx?NewsID=2E55BC69EA7A593A9AEB68F6&MENUID=&DESCRIPTION=Search%20result

These quotes are also referred to by non-Muslim sites, so I take it that the editor of that site did not distort his "remarks".

Once a fool - always a fool.

Unfortunately we will pay a high price for brain-dummies like this, for generations and centuries to come.

[Kapitan]

We can all tell when politicians lie

Thier lips move

[The Avon Lady]

We can all tell when politicians lie

Thier lips move
When they're dead they'll be lying but their lips won't be moving. :nope: :hmm:

Here is the official transcript (http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page9224.asp) of Blair's speech.

Notice the differences?

[Abraham]

Some of his remarks make sense and my even be prophetical:

"The most remarkable thing about reading the Koran – in so far as it can be truly translated from the original Arabic - is to understand how progressive it is."It is indeed remarkable to understand that the Qu'ran is progressive.

"I am not qualified to make any judgements. But as an outsider, the Koran strikes me as a reforming book..."Certainly British society is being reformed lately.

"It is practical and way ahead of its time in attitudes to marriage, women and governance." he saidThese words may be prophetical. I can only say I share Tony's fears.

He added that under the guidance of the Qur’an, the spread of Islam and its dominance over previously Christian or pagan lands was "breathtaking".Altough Blair is using an euphemism and tries to speak 'politically correct', we have to admit that he's right.

@ Skybird:
You have taught us the same story in other words...
:D

[Skybird]

The Qu'ran - progressive...? A reforming book? Ahead of it's time with regard to marriage and women...??? And by the original speech script I still don't get what Blair means when calling the conquest of Islam "breathtakling". Is it a disgusted or an admiring statement?

I think Blair is talking without deepr knowledge and insight both into the scritpures of Islam, and history. He falls victim to the popular follies there are about Islam.

Can't disagree more with you, Abraham. I want to remind you that Blair is the head of government who was the first in europe to condemn the Danish, although Brtish governments have nothing to say about Danish affairs, and that representatives of this government where amongst the loudest voices demanding that free opinion in Europe should go silence, that newspaper should not print suppoort for the Danish cartoons and positions, and that the West should apologize to Islam for practicing according to it's own rights, values and traditions, in it's own place.

[scandium]

Some of his remarks make sense and my even be prophetical:

"The most remarkable thing about reading the Koran – in so far as it can be truly translated from the original Arabic - is to understand how progressive it is."It is indeed remarkable to understand that the Qu'ran is progressive.

"I am not qualified to make any judgements. But as an outsider, the Koran strikes me as a reforming book..."Certainly British society is being reformed lately.

"It is practical and way ahead of its time in attitudes to marriage, women and governance." he saidThese words may be prophetical. I can only say I share Tony's fears.

He added that under the guidance of the Qur’an, the spread of Islam and its dominance over previously Christian or pagan lands was "breathtaking".Altough Blair is using an euphemism and tries to speak 'politically correct', we have to admit that he's right.

@ Skybird:
You have taught us the same story in other words...
:D

Nice selection of quotes. The problem with Blair isn't that he has no iintellectual capability, as you have only to see him debate in Parliment to see he's no idiot; rather its that he has no conviction. He's the worst kind of politician because he tries to please everyone. This is impossible, you have to stand for something. That doesn't mean you have to close your mind to everything else and surround yourself with sycophantic yes-men, but you have to have at least enough backbone to call a spade a spade.

I'm amazed that Blair can even stand upright, lacking as he does any spine at all. He is, truly, a yapping poodle.

[Kapitan]

Why are you calling me an idiot skybird?

[TteFAboB]

Some of his remarks make sense and my even be prophetical:

"The most remarkable thing about reading the Koran – in so far as it can be truly translated from the original Arabic - is to understand how progressive it is."It is indeed remarkable to understand that the Qu'ran is progressive.

"I am not qualified to make any judgements. But as an outsider, the Koran strikes me as a reforming book..."Certainly British society is being reformed lately.

"It is practical and way ahead of its time in attitudes to marriage, women and governance." he saidThese words may be prophetical. I can only say I share Tony's fears.

He added that under the guidance of the Qur’an, the spread of Islam and its dominance over previously Christian or pagan lands was "breathtaking".Altough Blair is using an euphemism and tries to speak 'politically correct', we have to admit that he's right.

@ Skybird:
You have taught us the same story in other words...
:D

Hats off, that's one of the best sarcastic posts I have seen in a while.

[Skybird]

Why are you calling me an idiot skybird?
Did I? Are you Tony Blair?

[Kapitan]

hehehe nope but my name is Blair :D

[Skybird]

hehehe nope but my name is Blair :D
I call you T-Rex from now on. Just to make the difference clear. :lol:

[Kapitan]

hehehe good good :|\ :up:

[Oberon]

Not so good, you know what happened to Mark Bolan! :cry:

Anyway, yeah, Tony Blair making an idiot of himself...usually happens whenever he opens his mouth...but then again, if it isn't him it's some other member of the cabinet.
We really need to organise an October revolution...now, I'll be Lenin...errr...Kapitain you can be Trotsky, we'll need a couple hundred angry men with pitchforks...hmmm, I'll ring the Countryside Alliance ;)

*is carted off by anti-terrorism police*

[Skybird]

now, I'll be Lenin...errr...Kapitain you can be Trotsky, we'll need a couple hundred angry men with pitchforks...hmmm,

You only need me and a sword, really! :lol:

[Oberon]

now, I'll be Lenin...errr...Kapitain you can be Trotsky, we'll need a couple hundred angry men with pitchforks...hmmm,

You only need me and a sword, really! :lol:

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[STEED]

Tony Blair is the worst Prime Minister of all time he can not be trusted one bit as I remember when he first came to power he promise their would be no sleaze in his party. And look at them corrupt to the core; this is one stinking Prime Minister I will not miss. I look forward to the first book on the Blair years stating he sat on a massive majority and did nothing its all smoke and mirrors with that grinning moron, I am paying higher taxes under him, and what has he done. Put this country well in the red, Blair is a vile snake in the grass.

:hulk: :hulk:

[Kapitan]

Here here steed my council tax bill just went up by 100% i was only paying £331 per year (due to my nan) but they seem to think that its now ok to charge £1,336 per year.

And do we see the money being spent anywhere ?

NO

Bring back maggie thatcher

[U-552Erich-Topp]

Blair, another nut like Bush

[bradclark1]

Tony Blair is the worst Prime Minister of all time he can not be trusted one bit as I remember when he first came to power he promise their would be no sleaze in his party. And look at them corrupt to the core; this is one stinking Prime Minister I will not miss. I look forward to the first book on the Blair years stating he sat on a massive majority and did nothing its all smoke and mirrors with that grinning moron, I am paying higher taxes under him, and what has he done. Put this country well in the red, Blair is a vile snake in the grass.

:hulk: :hulk:

Show me a political party that hasn't got sleaze. It's the nature of the animal. All politicians are legalized con men and I have never seen a politician that wasn't rich.
So as the public our job is to try and pick the least sleazy, close our eyes and ears and hope for the best. Unfourtunatley the public closing their eyes and plugging their ears has got us in a world of hurt.

[scandium]

There's a certain common mindset that rich politicians are somehow immune to corruption because of their wealth. I don't see it. In fact they're paid well enough that, rich or poor, they don't need to supplement their income with graft.

I don't think you could find a party immune to "sleaze", its more a question of how deep the rot goes. It may sound naive but I think there are and have been many politicians who aren't corrupt. Former US President Carter, for instance, whatever his other faults, didn't strike me as being on the take.

[STEED]

bradclark1, you’re lucky you don't have to put up with Blair and his henchmen and lackeys, like Kapitain and I we pay so much tax I lost count. Tax on this and that and back door tax, stealth tax, secret tax that has yet to come to light. It's a nightmare and what makes it worst all that tax is being wasted on Blair’s dumb plans. :nope: :nope:

[Kapitan]

Just got my bank statement.

£9.51 savings account 16/02/06
£4.94 Tax 8/3/06

They even taxed me on my savings i had less than £10 in there and they wonder why i dont put squat in.

[STEED]

Sounds to me Kapitain that are Mr Blair has raided your account to pay off his mortgage. Hands off Blair how dare you, better check mind just in case. :yep:

[Oberon]

Heh, Blair's taken enough money off me and my family to fund an invasion of Iran by ex-SAS mercenaries!

[micky1up]

sky the koran is a progressive and moderate book as with the bible you will always find a ****ing idiot who reads it and comes out with a extreme answer

open your mind


even christian's come out with ****e sometimes like the vicar who said that god sent the asian tusnami to wipe out the sin in that area

[STEED]

We want our money back Blair. :yep:

[Oberon]

sky the koran is a progressive and moderate book as with the bible you will always find a F@&*#^! idiot who reads it and comes out with a extreme answer

even christian's come out with ****e sometimes like the vicar who said that god sent the asian tusnami to wipe out the sin in that area

For once, I'm actually in agreement with micky1up....

I'm going to go take a lie down... :o

[STEED]

Just saw this one as it's an American article that is an old tax that will be revamped called the window tax.

Here’s the Article -


Monday 27th March, 2006

British homeowners to pay for home details
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Big News Network.com Monday 27th March, 2006 (UPI)

Homeowners in Britain may have to pay up to $1,700 to help provide the government with detailed information on their home, yard and even views.

Details of the Home Information Pack, which the government will require whenever a home is sold, are to be revealed Monday.

The pack is designed to provide details of a property on the market, but some Conservative Party members say the detailed assessments could be used to increase property taxes, the Sunday Telegraph reported.

Those refusing to cooperate in assembling the Home Information Pack will be fined about $350, the Telegraph said.

It's estimated about 1.4 million packs will be produced annually. Currently, house details are only shared among the buyer, seller and mortgage provider, with little or no government involvement.

LINK - http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=d31bd2c83fc19d14

[micky1up]

thx oberon see im not right or wrong i have an opinion but there like *******s evryone has one

[Skybird]

I have commented often enough on the Qu'Ran, on it's history and the reasons that influenced it's present shape. I see no reason why I should change my opinion on it. If you people think that the Qu'ran is a modern, progressive book and will lead you to a better society, then you do not deserve it any better. But your ancestors who suffered for such a state of life being overcome, will turn in their graves.

Once again I say: there is no difference between fundamental and "real" Islam (I have explained where the misleading perception of the West, that this separation does exist, has come from, around one hundred years ago during the local rebellion against the Imperial powers in North-West-Africa). There is only one Islam - and that is the fighting Islam. there never has been a non_fighting Islam, nor is such an Islam descriobed in the Qu'ran or Hadith. It is a militant, intolerant ideology, driven by it's sense to be superior and having the mission to kill or convert5 anything non-Islamic, designed to justify conquest, and excusing intolerance by terms of a self-made, highly narcist cult that repalces culture and religion. It'S social ideal is a totalitarian society in which the single individual is nothing, the state/religion/community is all. Coexistence is unacceptable. attack is needed to delete coexistence, and to gain new ressources (remember, Muhammad was a predatory beduin in the first, who nevertheless wanted not to be called a bandit: thus his maneuvering into the religious feild where his demands could no longer be touched withoiut beeing called a heresy) If you do not realize this, if you think you must put it into more tolerant relations and approach it with reason and logic (Western style), then you are doomed to fall.

Our ancestors considered it to be modern to develope (under immense pains) beyond the unity of state and religion, that's why we have secular states in which both is kept separate. Qu'Ran preaches exactly the opposite, and not only that, no it preaches a religion of superstitious immitation only: immitation of virtual Muhammad that in that kind and form as he is described by Islam never has existed. How can educated Europeans consider an ideology to be progressive - if it leads them back to their violant past? In school you have learned why you should consider it as progressive, that these cruel, dark times of non-separation between religion and politics had been overcome.

Muslim societies have seen standstill in philosophy, sciences, theology, state theory, since centuries, social system and education since over thousand years. they are helpless agisnt there own tyrantsa, because these tyrants necessarily must be raised and supported by the system of politics and religion in one hand. The Western raise of all these virtues and developements, plus the canon of the typical Western values, Islam cannot compensate by any developement like that in it's own sphere. It works by only one simple mechanism: demanding what it wants, and when it does not get it, using force to take it, or saying it want's it because that is it's religion and Allah is demanding it like that. Intimidation and discrimination are part of the agenda. Critical questions get answered explicitly: with a sharp knife. when there are no questions anymore, then there is peace made in Islam. Cannot get more primitive like that. You better should be more careful what lecture you would call "progressive", guys.

again, there are several essay I have written on all this. Details there.

[micky1up]

yawn a closed statment from a closed mind

[micky1up]

oh yes and the last time a man used a minority view to expess his opinion about a race of people and cast them all as bad he was in germany aswell funny thing that!

[bradclark1]

Give me a break. :roll:

[Abraham]

thx oberon see im not right or wrong i have an opinion but there like *******s evryone has onePlease mind your words. Let's try to keep it decent here.

oh yes and the last time a man used a minority view to expess his opinion about a race of people and cast them all as bad he was in germany aswell funny thing that!I take this as a veiled reference to Herr A. Hitler. Don't compare Skybird's or anybody's view on this forum with Hitler without the strongest evidence. To make this suggestion against a German from the post-war generation is really a blow below the belt.

Abraham
(with moderator cap on)

[STEED]

Well said Abraham.

[Konovalov]

sky the koran is a progressive and moderate book as with the bible you will always find a F@&*#^! idiot who reads it and comes out with a extreme answer

even christian's come out with ****e sometimes like the vicar who said that god sent the asian tusnami to wipe out the sin in that area

You mean like this guy and his organisation:

Rabbi puts Old Testament curse on the enemy

By Ed O'Loughlin Herald Correspondent in Jerusalem
March 28, 2006

AS ISRAEL goes to the polls today, the spiritual leader of the country's largest Jewish religious party is promising heaven to those who vote for him and hell to anyone who supports the acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert.

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, 86, the spiritual leader of the ultra-Orthodox Sephardic Jewish party Shas, has issued an election flyer based on passages from the books of Judges and Deuteronomy - "Cursed be its inhabitants for not having come to God's aid" and "Cursed be those who do not uphold and obey the words of this law."

He adds: "I hereby issue a religious ruling that everyone must vote for Shas."

Rabbi Ovadia has previously stated that anyone who votes for Shas will go to heaven whereas supporters of Mr Olmert's front-running Kadima will be consigned to hell.

Regarded as God's man on Earth by many ultra-Orthodox Jews of non-European origin, Rabbi Ovadia has long played an active role in Israeli politics. His Shas party has held as many as 17 seats in the 120-seat Knesset and played kingmaker in several government coalitions.

Recently, however, the party has been partially eclipsed by corruption scandals and by the resentment of many secular Israelis who believe that most ultra-Orthodox Jews are taking advantage of the state's largesse to avoid military service and live on welfare while ostensibly studying religion.

The rabbi has previously condemned Arabs to hell and last year blamed Hurricane Katrina and the Indian Ocean tsunami on US support for the withdrawal by the Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, of illegal settlements from Gaza. He also cursed Mr Sharon for this "disengagement" from holy Jewish soil, saying he would "sleep and not wake up" - this was taken by many supporters to foreshadow the stroke that has left Mr Sharon comatose since January 5.

Although polls suggest that Shas will hold the 11 seats it won in the last Knesset, opinion surveys are proving particularly volatile in this campaign, with predictions from different polls often varying by several seats for the same party on the same day.

The mass daily Maariv has reported that Mr Olmert's party is worried about reports that "a series of astrologers, future-tellers and various mystics interviewed by the media in the past few days" have all predicted a huge last-minute upset for Kadima, which has seen some slide in its support in recent days.

From a peak prediction of 40 seats, the party is now tipped to win from 34 to 37 - still probably enough to lead the next government but vulnerable to a potential far-right blocking group of Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud, far-right pro-settlement or anti-Arab racist parties and perhaps Shas and the smaller Ashkenazi party, United Torah Judaism.

Mr Olmert has described the poll as a referendum on his plan of "convergence".

This sequel to Mr Sharon's withdrawal from Gaza would see Israel unilaterally setting its own borders along the line of the so-called "separation barrier" inside the West Bank, annexing parts of the occupied territories without Palestinian consent and withdrawing some smaller illegal Jewish settlements.

[Skybird]

Thanks Abraham. Good moderating. Not too much, not too little. Your action got noted ;)

[Konovalov]

And Rabbi Ovadia Yosef blames (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/6530.htm) President Bush and US citizens for the death and carnage attributed to Hurricane Katrina. What a great guy NOT! :nope:

[scandium]

And Rabbi Ovadia Yosef blames (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/6530.htm) President Bush and US citizens for the death and carnage attributed to Hurricane Katrina. What a great guy NOT! :nope:

Pat Robertson, I believe it was (though I might be wrong as I have trouble keeping the evangelical fundies straight), did something similar too: blamed Katrina on the victims who he said brought it on themselves because there was so much sin in New Orleans.

[Konovalov]

Yeah, I remember that. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef also said some 'charming' (http://www.adl.org/PresRele/IslME_62/4663_62.htm) things about Sharon which I'm sure Sharon's family rightly were disgusted with.

Also well before that wack-job naive President of Iran called for the wiping off the map and destruction of Israel recently, the spiritual leader of the Shas Party in Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, had in 2001 called for (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1270038.stm) the annihilation of Arabs in one of his sermons. A fundie is a fundie no matter the religion.

[STEED]

THE MORNING STAR
Blair in fantasy world-PEACE campaigners and Labour MPs accused fanatical Prime Minister Tony Blair of descending into a dangerous fantasy world yesterday.


:-j :rotfl: :-j

[SUBMAN1]

Some of his remarks make sense and my even be prophetical:

"The most remarkable thing about reading the Koran �" in so far as it can be truly translated from the original Arabic - is to understand how progressive it is."It is indeed remarkable to understand that the Qu'ran is progressive.

"I am not qualified to make any judgements. But as an outsider, the Koran strikes me as a reforming book..."Certainly British society is being reformed lately.

"It is practical and way ahead of its time in attitudes to marriage, women and governance." he saidThese words may be prophetical. I can only say I share Tony's fears.

He added that under the guidance of the Qur’an, the spread of Islam and its dominance over previously Christian or pagan lands was "breathtaking".Altough Blair is using an euphemism and tries to speak 'politically correct', we have to admit that he's right.

@ Skybird:
You have taught us the same story in other words...
:D

The day that these things come to pass on my land is the day that we better start shooting. To allow a religion that thinks it is allright to kill another just because they converted out of the said religion, is not OK. This type of religion must be removed from the Earth forever.

-S

[Wim Libaers]

I have commented often enough on the Qu'Ran, on it's history and the reasons that influenced it's present shape. I see no reason why I should change my opinion on it. If you people think that the Qu'ran is a modern, progressive book and will lead you to a better society, then you do not deserve it any better. But your ancestors who suffered for such a state of life being overcome, will turn in their graves.

Of course! Once they take over, slaughtering the infidels and having Islamic law will be defined as the progressive, better way to run a society.

Remember, the good always win, because the winners will redefine "good" if necessary. ;)

Of course, everything should be done to prevent that from happening, in this case.

[The Avon Lady]

Yeah, I remember that. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef also said some 'charming' (http://www.adl.org/PresRele/IslME_62/4663_62.htm) things about Sharon which I'm sure Sharon's family rightly were disgusted with.

Also well before that wack-job naive President of Iran called for the wiping off the map and destruction of Israel recently, the spiritual leader of the Shas Party in Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, had in 2001 called for (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1270038.stm) the annihilation of Arabs in one of his sermons. A fundie is a fundie no matter the religion.
I almost agree with every word you've said about Rabbi Yosef. However, I'll take partial exception with your last sentence, link and claim.

Ask yourself this: is there an imperative Torah based command to kill Arabs because they are Arabs or is Rabbi Yosef basing himself on responding appropriately to current events?

Ask yourself something else: Rabbi Yosef and the Shas party have a relatively gigantic following. In yesterdays national elections, Shas came in 3rd place, with 13 out of 120 Knesset seats. And there are plenty more people that didn't vote for Shas but respect Rabbi Yosef.

How many acts of violence against Arabs can you attribute to Rabbi Yosef's rantings? Yes, rantings is how I see them.

Remember, Yosef is regarded as one of the highest authorities in Jewish law for Sepharadi Jews worldwide. So ask yourself another question: how come we Jews - or at least the vast population of Sepharadi Jews in Israel - are not slaughering Arabs right left top bottom and center?

[micky1up]

see guys this is a world of free speach and opinion so i can compare people to whom i like , skys post painted the whole religion involved as bad casting the entire populas of that religion , at very best hes a hypocrit complaining that islam is bad and all involved and complaining about goverments actions in fighing the extremists inside the religion if he had his way we would just gladly let them get away with there acts of blatant terror but complain if anyone duz anything about it .

im interested what duz he think we should do about it ? im guessing its probably in the style of norman kember

[Skybird]

:dead:
Pöbelt herum wie ein Prolli und glaubt, sich schlecht zu benehmen sei sein gutes Recht auf freie Meinung, und Lautstärke könne Cleverness ersetzen - aber ist zu blöde den Search-Button zu verwenden. Tzzz.

It's all there in the threads, Laserbrain. Partially since over a year... can't you read?


http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/HistoryOfIslam_2_IslamQuranHadith.doc

ttp://people.freenet.de/Skybird/DialogueWithIslam.rtf

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/BOI.doc

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/HistoryOfIslam_1_Forword.doc

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=27048&highlight=turkey

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48105&highlight=dialogue



All stuff from these threads:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48674&highlight=dialogue

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48105&highlight=dialogue

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=27048&highlight=turkey

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=47650&highlight=

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=45065&highlight=history+islam

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=47650&highlight=



Spare your time to adress me in the future, neither will I read your mindless comments, nor will I react - I'm tired of your shouting around, calling your bad behavior your "freedom of speech." I think you are dim and I think you cannot behave, and since I have no more patience with you and your tendency to always become personally offending sooner or later I will not deal with you again, now and forever.

[Sixpack]

Sky, :up:

Time management works great for me ! Recommended. :D

[The Avon Lady]

Maybe Skybird should paste all those links at the top of the sticky chess threads so they'll never get lost again. :P

[scandium]

Maybe Skybird should paste all those links at the top of the sticky chess threads so they'll never get lost again. :P

Chess and politics don't mix. One need only look at Bobby Fischer to see the truth of this. :nope:

[micky1up]

or is free speech only for those topics that someone else dictates aslong as it dosent offened anyone well im afraid there is no way that you can tell someone to stop what they are saying and then pretened that your an advocate of democracy ive never said to sky he cant say what hes saying i just disagree with what hes saying or not saying , he complains about what the uk and us are doing but offer's no solution of his own maybe because he cant , my statement saying that the last time i heard someone saying what hes saying he was in germany funnny thing that was not a reference to hitler ! but i find it rather satisfying that he made the connection rather quickly a psycologist would be interested in that