eh...how to get the XXI in the beginning of the war

[melinjkpg]

I have played this game loooong time now. did just install the gray wolf mod...great mod by the way. but...I dont have the pleasure of playing with XXI in a real warpatroll and loong one. Sure. i did try it and started my carrier -44 and cheat alittle to hade afford to buy the boat, but. how can i cheat so i get the XXI in the begining of the war. Why i want to do this, becourse i have played the game so loong time now..and have tried all the other boats my earn them, but XXI if i get it, i can only play with that a couple of month and the war is over. I want to play more with that. HOW? love to have patrolls to USA on the drumbeatle operation and so on.

[melinjkpg]

Bump....

[VonHelsching]

Hmmmm...... :hmm:
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Oh, yes! Check: http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=49043

[Cdre Gibs]

To get Type XXI @ 1939 as first assigned boat.

First we need to modify the Basic.cfg
1.Copy the info below:.

;[SUBMARINE_AMMO11];XXI
[SUBMARINE_AMMO10]
Type=3
Version=0
ForeTubes=6
AftTubes=0
ForeResIntern=17
ForeResExtern=0
ForeResExtra=0
AftResIntern=0
AftResExtern=0
ShellSlots=10
NbYears=7
Renown=11

Year0=1939
ForeTube00=9
ForeTube01=9
ForeTube02=9
ForeTube03=9
ForeTube04=9
ForeTube05=9
ForeResIntern00=10
ForeResIntern01=10
ForeResIntern02=10
ForeResIntern03=10
ForeResIntern04=10
ForeResIntern05=10
ForeResIntern06=3
ForeResIntern07=3
ForeResIntern08=3
ForeResIntern09=3
ForeResIntern010=3
ForeResIntern011=3
ForeResIntern012=9
ForeResIntern013=9
ForeResIntern014=9
ForeResIntern015=9
ForeResIntern016=9
Z01_00=12 ; XXI/1
A01_00=9
A02_00=9
SuperCharger_00=1260
Snorkel_00=1262
Batteries_00=1269
AftBatteries_00=1269
Hydrophone_00=1272
Sonar_00=1274
Radar_00=1278
RadarWarningReceiver_00=1283
Decoy_Launcher_00=1288
SonarCoatings_00=1304
RadarCoatings_00=1305
Renown0=0


Year1=1940
ForeTube10=9
ForeTube11=9
ForeTube12=9
ForeTube13=9
ForeTube14=9
ForeTube15=9
ForeResIntern10=10
ForeResIntern11=10
ForeResIntern12=10
ForeResIntern13=10
ForeResIntern14=10
ForeResIntern15=10
ForeResIntern16=3
ForeResIntern17=3
ForeResIntern18=3
ForeResIntern19=3
ForeResIntern110=3
ForeResIntern111=3
ForeResIntern112=9
ForeResIntern113=9
ForeResIntern114=9
ForeResIntern115=9
ForeResIntern116=9
Z01_10=12 ; XXI/1
A01_10=9

A02_10=9
SuperCharger_10=1260
Snorkel_10=1262
Batteries_10=1269
AftBatteries_10=1269
Hydrophone_10=1272
Sonar_10=1274
Radar_10=1278
RadarWarningReceiver_10=1283
Decoy_Launcher_10=1288
SonarCoatings_10=1304
RadarCoatings_10=1305
Renown1=0


Year2=1941
ForeTube20=9
ForeTube21=9
ForeTube22=9
ForeTube23=9
ForeTube24=9
ForeTube25=9
ForeResIntern20=10
ForeResIntern21=10
ForeResIntern22=10
ForeResIntern23=10
ForeResIntern24=10
ForeResIntern25=10
ForeResIntern26=3
ForeResIntern27=3
ForeResIntern28=3
ForeResIntern29=3
ForeResIntern210=3
ForeResIntern211=3
ForeResIntern212=9
ForeResIntern213=9
ForeResIntern214=9
ForeResIntern215=9
ForeResIntern216=9
Z01_20=12 ; XXI/1
A01_20=9
A02_20=9
SuperCharger_20=1260
Snorkel_20=1262
Batteries_20=1269
AftBatteries_20=1269
Hydrophone_20=1272
Sonar_20=1274
Radar_20=1278
RadarWarningReceiver_20=1283
Decoy_Launcher_20=1288
SonarCoatings_20=1304
RadarCoatings_20=1305
Renown2=0

Year3=1942
ForeTube30=9
ForeTube31=9
ForeTube32=9
ForeTube33=9
ForeTube34=9
ForeTube35=9
ForeResIntern30=10
ForeResIntern31=10
ForeResIntern32=10
ForeResIntern33=10
ForeResIntern34=10
ForeResIntern35=10
ForeResIntern36=3
ForeResIntern37=3
ForeResIntern38=3
ForeResIntern39=3
ForeResIntern310=3
ForeResIntern311=3
ForeResIntern312=9
ForeResIntern313=9
ForeResIntern314=9
ForeResIntern315=9
ForeResIntern316=9
Z01_30=12 ; XXI/1
A01_30=9
A02_30=9
SuperCharger_30=1260
Snorkel_30=1262
Batteries_30=1269
AftBatteries_30=1269
Hydrophone_30=1272
Sonar_30=1274
Radar_30=1278
RadarWarningReceiver_30=1283
Decoy_Launcher_30=1288
SonarCoatings_30=1304
RadarCoatings_30=1305
Renown3=0

Year4=1943
ForeTube40=9
ForeTube41=9
ForeTube42=9
ForeTube43=9
ForeTube44=9
ForeTube45=9
ForeResIntern40=10
ForeResIntern41=10
ForeResIntern42=10
ForeResIntern43=10
ForeResIntern44=10
ForeResIntern45=10
ForeResIntern46=3
ForeResIntern47=3
ForeResIntern48=3
ForeResIntern49=3
ForeResIntern410=3
ForeResIntern411=3
ForeResIntern412=9
ForeResIntern413=9
ForeResIntern414=9
ForeResIntern415=9
ForeResIntern416=9
Z01_40=12 ; XXI/1
A01_40=9
A02_40=9
SuperCharger_40=1260
Snorkel_40=1262
Batteries_40=1269
AftBatteries_40=1269
Hydrophone_40=1272
Sonar_40=1274
Radar_40=1278
RadarWarningReceiver_40=1283
Decoy_Launcher_40=1288
SonarCoatings_40=1304
RadarCoatings_40=1305
Renown4=0

Year5=1944
ForeTube50=9
ForeTube51=9
ForeTube52=9
ForeTube53=9
ForeTube54=9
ForeTube55=9
ForeResIntern50=10
ForeResIntern51=10
ForeResIntern52=10
ForeResIntern53=10
ForeResIntern54=10
ForeResIntern55=10
ForeResIntern56=3
ForeResIntern57=3
ForeResIntern58=3
ForeResIntern59=3
ForeResIntern510=3
ForeResIntern511=3
ForeResIntern512=9
ForeResIntern513=9
ForeResIntern514=9
ForeResIntern515=9
ForeResIntern516=9
Z01_50=12 ; XXI/1
A01_50=9
A02_50=9
SuperCharger_50=1260
Snorkel_50=1262
Batteries_50=1269
AftBatteries_50=1269
Hydrophone_50=1272
Sonar_50=1274
Radar_50=1278
RadarWarningReceiver_50=1283
Decoy_Launcher_50=1288
SonarCoatings_50=1304
RadarCoatings_50=1305
Renown5=0

Year6=1945
ForeTube60=9
ForeTube61=9
ForeTube62=9
ForeTube63=9
ForeTube64=9
ForeTube65=9
ForeResIntern60=10
ForeResIntern61=10
ForeResIntern62=10
ForeResIntern63=10
ForeResIntern64=10
ForeResIntern65=10
ForeResIntern66=3
ForeResIntern67=3
ForeResIntern68=3
ForeResIntern69=3
ForeResIntern610=3
ForeResIntern611=3
ForeResIntern612=9
ForeResIntern613=9
ForeResIntern614=9
ForeResIntern615=9
ForeResIntern616=9
Z01_60=12 ; XXI/1
A01_60=9
A02_60=9
SuperCharger_60=1260
Snorkel_60=1262
Batteries_60=1269
AftBatteries_60=1269
Hydrophone_60=1272
Sonar_60=1274
Radar_60=1278
RadarWarningReceiver_60=1283
Decoy_Launcher_60=1288
SonarCoatings_60=1304
RadarCoatings_60=1305
Renown6=0

2. Now goto your Basic.cfg file / open and search for [SUBMARINE_AMMO11];XXI to find the parameters related to the type XXI sub. Then paste all the info above over the original [SUBMARINE_AMMO11];XXI list.

3. Edit the [CONING_TYPE12] ;XXI/1 section. Change Year=1943 to Year=1939.

4.Edit the [AMMO_TYPE9];2cm FK C/38 Flakzwiling XXI section. Change Year=1943 to Year=1939.

SAVE

Now we need to edit the Flotillia.cfg.
1.Open the file.
2.Find the flotilia section you need to edit. For example we want add type XXI to the 1st flotillia which has the Flotilla0=902 id.

3.In the Flotilla0=902 section find the NbUboats0=2 string and change it to NbUboats0=3 string. This is the number of available submarines.

4. Now we need to specify a new third submarine. Find the following strings:
Uboat0_0=0
Uboat0_1=1

5. Add :Uboat0_2=3.
Uboat0_0=0
Uboat0_1=1
Uboat0_2=3

6. Repeat this steps for other flotillias if you need. For example for the 2nd Flotillia:

NbUboats1=3
Uboat1_0=1
Uboat1_1=2
Uboat1_2=3

Save.

Now to fix the sub files.

1. Goto the Type XXI Sub folder found in */Silent Hunter III/Data/Submarine/NS_Uboat21.

Copy the info below:

;equiment cfg file, high level of detail

[Equipment 1]
NodeName=A01
LinkName=20mm21_UFlak
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

[Equipment 2]
NodeName=A02
LinkName=20mm21_UFlak
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

2. Open the NSS_Uboat21.eqp fie, select all, paste. Save

3. Copy all the info below.

; sensor configuration file

;lookout on conning tower
[Sensor 1]
NodeName=O01
LinkName=Visual
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;atack periscope
[Sensor 2]
NodeName=O02
LinkName=Periscope
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Observation periscope
[Sensor 3]
NodeName=O03
LinkName=Periscope
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Hydrophone
[Sensor 4]
NodeName=H01
LinkName=Hydrophone
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Hydrophone2
[Sensor 5]
NodeName=H02
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Sonar
[Sensor 6]
NodeName=N01
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Radar
[Sensor 7]
NodeName=R01
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;RadioDF
[Sensor 8]
NodeName=D01
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

;Radar Warning
[Sensor 9]
NodeName=C01
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

[Sensor 10]
NodeName=R02
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

[Sensor 11]
NodeName=D02
LinkName=NULL
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231

4. Opn the NSS_Uboat21.sns file. Select all, paste. Save.

5. Start game. select Type XXI Boat. Go sink lots of ships and have Fun.

[Ducimus]

Don't forget to change the dates on the XXI's roster.cfg file too.

[Cdre Gibs]

Don't need to. But you can do if 1 so desire's.

[Ducimus]

Don't need to. But you can do if 1 so desire's.

Well you do and you don't.

You don't need to if you dont mind having no patrol grid.
You need to, if you do mind not having a patrol grid.


I experimented with this alot awhile ago, and i always ended up with the same behavior.

Start a new patrol with a newly aquired XXI, and you start with a patrol grid. After that, i'd never see a patrol grid assignment again. In hindsight you could aways use SH3 commander and give yourself any grid you want, but to me it really takes away from the game when you pick and choose your "assignments". Id rather have the feeling of behind handed orders to carry out. Personal flavor thing i guess.

[Cdre Gibs]

Correct.

Personaly I think the Patrol grids are over rated. Boring as hell. I prefer freelancing it. More so if your taking a Type XXI out in 1939. A patrol grid sorta becomes redundant. :)

[Ducimus]

Correct.

More so if your taking a Type XXI out in 1939. A patrol grid sorta becomes redundant. :)

Where the XXI is concerned, ill agree to that. If your using that boat in 1939, a patrol grid is a moot point no matter how you look at it.

[flyingdane]

:o

[flyingdane]

:doh:

[VonHelsching]

Correct.

Personaly I think the Patrol grids are over rated. Boring as hell. I prefer freelancing it. More so if your taking a Type XXI out in 1939. A patrol grid sorta becomes redundant. :)

:rotfl: That was a good one.

Cdre, speaking of 1939...A question out of the blue. Is there any way to attach a double DG of a DD to any human playable u-boat? I was thinking a mod about the U-cruiser. Is this possible?

If you're not familiar with u-cruisers:

Type XI U-cruisers
Huge U-boats, designed in 1937-1938, with 4 127mm deck guns ( ) in two gun-towers (one fore and aft of the conning tower). 6 torpedo tubes (4 in the bow and two at the stern, all below the CWL). One Ar 231 small aircraft in a watertight 2.6m in diameter container shaft. These boats were to have a crew of about 110 men almost double that of any constructed German U-boat. 4 contracts (U-112 thru U-115) were awarded to the AG Weser yard in Bremen on Jan 17, 1939 but wisely cancelled at the outbreak of war in September that year

There is a pic in http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=47482

BTW, how can you attach a pic in the message body? :88)

[Cdre Gibs]

You mean like this?

what ever your link is to the pic put here

I take it you mean 1 of these ?
http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/154277/154277_1122152994.jpg

Ok heres the deal. No NON Sub Gun can be used on a PCO (Player Controled Object - meaning Human player sub)

NON Sub Gun - Any weapon mount that is NOT part of Sub_Gun.dat. So there for if it comes off an AI Boast, you cant use it. Ohh it can be mounted an hell it will even track a target, BUT it will be reported as destroyed and your crew wont man it.

However something close is sorta possible. BRB, need to close Campaign and take a SS for you.

[Cdre Gibs]

Ok here we go. U-Cruiser Light.

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser01.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser02.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser03.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser04.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser05.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser06.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser07.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser08.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser09.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser10.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser11.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser12.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser13.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser14.jpg

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/Ucruiser15.jpg

[VonHelsching]

:o
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That was good. :rock:

:P

Are both DGs controllable by the player, or only the front?
Was that an IXD/2?
What was that plane?
Can we simulate shells "larger" than 10.5 inches?
Can I have it?

[Ducimus]

Pretty sure that was an IXD2, you can tell by looking at the sides of the boat, as the tanks there stick out farther then a standard IX.

[Cdre Gibs]

Are both DGs controllable by the player, or only the front?

Both are player controlable, However the Stern DG is the only 1 that your crew will show up on. Dont panic, you crew still fire both, just only man 1 ! Its a bug :lol:


Was that an IXD/2?

Yep, but it can be done to any Type IX Boat.

What was that plane?

Thats a Walrus Seaplane, Its from Serg's Seaplane mod (My idea tho, I asked him for em. He did a bloody good job hey!)

Can we simulate shells "larger" than 10.5 inches?

Simulate ! Why would I simulate a larger round when I could use a larger round. I wouldnt tho, because then ALL 105cm DG would be firing say the 16inch shell. ( I did do that 1's, was intersting. ;) )

Can I have it?

Yep, but beware that you will loose a boat (the above was the Type IXD2 1944 Boat). I still want to try cloning it and make it a better boat. You see when you launch with this boat you will get an error msg say FlackGun N° 3 destroyed, but flackgun 3 is the Stern DG. Then to top it off, you crew will only appear on the Stern DG not the front 1 but they still fire both. Then your 2 remaining flack guns in the crew compartment will only accept 2 crew members, but you have the slots for 4. Unlike the DG's tho, your crew will show up on BOTH flack guns even thou you cant get all the crew in there, and fire them just fine. So yeah, shes a lil buggy. I still intend to refine her but its not high on my list of things to do atm.

So now you know all its bugs, you still want it ?

[The Noob]

I STILL WANT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would be cool to leave the sub harbour with a new U-Kreutzer..........and be interesting to come it the 100K club. :doh:

No, serius, I WANT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE!!!!!!!

[VonHelsching]

I still intend to refine her but its not high on my list of things to do atm.

So now you know all its bugs, you still want it ?

Oh yeah :yep:

Like being a beta tester.

Will do some work myself. Will fix the .sim file as per the "original" U-cruiser: 26 kn surface speed etc. It should be very slow undereater and terrible turn radius.

If this was actually built, it would have become a DC and airplane magnet...

Anyway, I'm all bandwidth and waiting.

It would be a nice opportunity to try to pass the Gibraltar straits surfaced; and having the chance to fight back. I remember Ducimus said that a while ago. Nice concept for a single mission.

And I almost forgot it; I'll take it with the 127mm shells option. I think I'll simulate the twin guns (there were 4 of them on the XI U-cruiser) by applying 1 second reload time (or even less).

I think that at least 2-3 hardcore realism simmers must have fainted or died while reading this thread :-j

[Cdre Gibs]

Oh yeah ,Like being a beta tester.

:lol: Your just a DG nutter, admit it. ;)

Will do some work myself. Will fix the .sim file as per the "original" U-cruiser: 26 kn surface speed etc. It should be very slow undereater and terrible turn radius.

Well thats gonna be a tad difficult, since atm all it is, is a Basic.cfg tweak. :)


Anyway, I'm all bandwidth and waiting.

I'll get the tweak bits sorted out after dinner an post it.

It would be a nice opportunity to try to pass the Gibraltar straits surfaced; and having the chance to fight back. I remember Ducimus said that a while ago. Nice concept for a single mission.

Not with my version of SHIII you wouldnt. Not even if it did have the correct Gun Mounts.

And I almost forgot it; I'll take it with the 127mm shells option. I think I'll simulate the twin guns (there were 4 of them on the XI U-cruiser) by applying 1 second reload time (or even less).

Umm you can only have 105mm Ammo, Its not the SUB that determins the ammo, its the DG its self. IF I changed it to use say 16" Ammo and gave it a 0 reload time, then all boats that mount the 105mm DG would get the same as above. Not good.

I think that at least 2-3 hardcore realism simmers must have fainted or died while reading this thread.

Ohh I know they have, you can tell by their absence! Not that thats such a bad thing ;)

[VonHelsching]

Thanks Cdre, much appreciated. :up:

Is there any (far chance) possibility to elongate the IXD/2 and put the subnet cutter in front in order to look like the U-cruiser in the picture :P

And yes, I am a DG nut :rock:

[STEED]

Nice One Cdre Gibs :up:

[Cdre Gibs]

To make a U-Cruiser.

Make a backup copy of your Basic.cfg file befor doing this.

1. Copy the lines below:

Year2=1944
ForeTube20=3 ;T1
ForeTube21=3
ForeTube22=1
ForeTube23=1
ForeResIntern20=3
ForeResIntern21=3
ForeResIntern22=1
ForeResIntern23=1
ForeResExtern20=0
ForeResExtern21=0
ForeResExtern22=3
ForeResExtern23=3
ForeResExtern24=3
ForeResExtern25=3
ForeResExtern26=1
ForeResExtern27=1
ForeResExtra20=3
ForeResExtra21=3
AftTubes20=5
AftTubes21=3
AftResIntern20=3
AftResIntern21=3
AftResExtern20=3
AftResExtern21=3
AftResExtern22=3
AftResExtern23=3
;Z01_20=11; IX/3
;M01_20=0
;A01_20=10
;A02_20=10
;S01_20=2
Z01_20=8; VIIC/4
M01_20=0
S01_20=4
S02_20=2
S03_20=2
SuperCharger_20=1260
Snorkel_20=1262
Batteries_20=1268
AftBatteries_20=1268
Hydrophone_20=1270
Sonar_20=-1
Radar_20=1275
RadarWarningReceiver_20=1280
Decoy_Launcher_20=1284
SonarCoatings_20=-1
RadarCoatings_20=-1
Renown2=0

2. Goto your Basic.cfg file and open it in notepad/word. Search for ;[SUBMARINE_AMMO10];IXD2 . Goto the Year 1944 (the reason I chose the 1944 boat rather than the 42,43 an 45 boat is ppl usually tends to keep 1's original boat and the 44 is about the same as the 45 so you wont really miss it). Select the entire 1944 entery, paste.

3. Copy the lines below:
[S01]
DaysSpent=0
NbGuns=4
Idx0=2
Dummy0=37mmTSA_UFlak_High
Idx1=3
Dummy1=37mmSA_UFlak_High
Idx2=4
Dummy2=105mm_UDeck_Gun_High
Idx3=5
Dummy3=20mmVierling_High

[S02]
DaysSpent=0
NbGuns=4
Idx0=2
Dummy0=37mmTSA_UFlak_High
Idx1=3
Dummy1=37mmSA_UFlak_High
Idx2=4
Dummy2=20mm21_UFlak
Idx3=5
Dummy3=20mmVierling_High

[S03]
DaysSpent=0
NbGuns=4
Idx0=2
Dummy0=37mmTSA_UFlak_High
Idx1=3
Dummy1=37mmSA_UFlak_High
Idx2=4
Dummy2=20mm21_UFlak
Idx3=5
Dummy3=20mmVierling_High

4.Go further down your Basic.cfg file until you find the S01-S03 entery's. Select all the S01-S03 settings, paste. Save.

5.Start game, Launch a SP map. Select the Type IXD2 1944 boat. Have fun.

When you want to go back to your campaign game. Save the Basic.cfg file to a folder named U-Cruiser. Then copy paste your original backed up Basic.cfg back into SH3/Data/CFG folder. Now your good to go in your campaign.

Eventually I hoped to clone a sub and do a more permenate solution and maybe address some of the bugs.

[VonHelsching]

Cdre, you ROCK :rock:

I suppose I can now play with the .sim file of the IXD/3 (U-cruiser) now. Now, let's see...

Terrible turn radius
Dive time 1,25 minutes
Surface speed 26 kn
Submerged speed 5,5 kn
Submerged range 30 nautical miles @4kn

But on the surface... :rock:

This u-boat would have success in 1940 only if it could coordinate a tight small wolfpack (1 U-cruiser, 3 VIIBs). Something like a U-hunter killer group. The VIIBs would go for the DDs first and then the U-cruiser would surface.... :rock:

Thanks again Cdre!