seawolves

[sandbag69]

Anyone know if Seawolves by X1 software is out in the shops in the UK yet?
Is Seawolves:med a different add-on by X1?

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[KptnLt Eric Karle]

Oh dear :nope: :nope:


http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48003

[Syxx_Killer]

Download the new Grey Wolves mod. It is infinitely better and FREE. :rock: :rock: :yep: Unlike that crap from X1. :nope:

[The Avon Lady]

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[The Noob]

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HAW HAW HAW!!!

[sandbag69]

Does Grey Wolves have completely new ships in it.

Wots wrong with Seawolves anyway? Isn't it right that they will have 60 brand new ships in it or is that nonsense?

[CCIP]

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=50012

Here's GreyWolves official feature list. Note that unlike some people, this states very clearly where the content came from :|\

[Tigrone]

When I went to U-Boat.Realsimulation.com to download Grey Wolves, I found this poll on the bottom left of the page. Does this refer to Seawolves?

U-Boat.Realsimulation.com

Polls
Will You Buy The Official SH3 Expansion Pack?
Yes
No

Replies are 80+% yes.

Is there an official UbiSoft Expansion Pack in the works for SH3?

[Wulfmann]

I am putting a flak vest on to say this but the Seawolves Mediterranean is the only "official" expansion package. That is; they are the only ones to have UBIsoft permission to make a payware add on to SH3.
It is interesting that 80% polled would buy an expansion particularly considering the poll is on a site hostile to X-1 to say the least.
The new X-1 pack is all new material but hurt feelings here will not accept that.
It is possible people that buy that and want advise for modding it might require a more favorable environment than SubSim, unfortunately.

Although, I am sure you will get considerable advise on not buying it here.

I will say this. It is so different than my “Atlantic” SH3 I have 2 installs on my PC so I can have both. I like my intense North Atlantic heavily modded version for serious historic U-Boat play.
But, Seawolves is fast and action packed with many twist not found in my regular version.
I simply want both.

Wulfmann

[Soviet_Warlord]

I am putting a flak vest on to say this but the Seawolves Mediterranean is the only "official" expansion package. That is; they are the only ones to have UBIsoft permission to make a payware add on to SH3.
It is interesting that 80% polled would buy an expansion particularly considering the poll is on a site hostile to X-1 to say the least.
The new X-1 pack is all new material but hurt feelings here will not accept that.
It is possible people that buy that and want advise for modding it might require a more favorable environment than SubSim, unfortunately.

Although, I am sure you will get considerable advise on not buying it here.

I will say this. It is so different than my “Atlantic” SH3 I have 2 installs on my PC so I can have both. I like my intense North Atlantic heavily modded version for serious historic U-Boat play.
But, Seawolves is fast and action packed with many twist not found in my regular version.
I simply want both.

Wulfmann

Well, with 60 new ships SW: Mediterranean doesn't seem all that bad. Where do you buy it? Is it only for sale in Europe?

[Razman23]

I am putting a flak vest on to say this but the Seawolves Mediterranean is the only "official" expansion package. That is; they are the only ones to have UBIsoft permission to make a payware add on to SH3.
It is interesting that 80% polled would buy an expansion particularly considering the poll is on a site hostile to X-1 to say the least.
The new X-1 pack is all new material but hurt feelings here will not accept that.
It is possible people that buy that and want advise for modding it might require a more favorable environment than SubSim, unfortunately.

Although, I am sure you will get considerable advise on not buying it here.

I will say this. It is so different than my “Atlantic” SH3 I have 2 installs on my PC so I can have both. I like my intense North Atlantic heavily modded version for serious historic U-Boat play.
But, Seawolves is fast and action packed with many twist not found in my regular version.
I simply want both.

Wulfmann

yawn

[Kpt. Lehmann]

.... Moving right along... :|\

[xrvjorn]

The new X-1 pack is all new material but hurt feelings here will not accept that.

They took other people's freeware and sold it. Who cares if they have a new expansion pack or not after such a stunt? I can accept that they have new material but I'm still not going to support a company with a history of stealing.

[xrvjorn]

"wir gesunken einem LKW!"

All your base are belong to us?? :hmm:

[rogerbo]

Wulfmann, you'r fighting for that X-1 like crazy and you claim that it is"the only "official" expansion package". Now i know you'r posting on the UBI Boards except on the German where UBI_Marc posted last September that "Seewölfe - U-Boote auf Jagd" IS NO official Add-On. And that UBI has NOTHING to do with it and that they do not acept ANY more discusion or Addvertising for it.

"Original Board entry "Wir bitten euch die Diskussion rund um das Thema "Seewölfe - U-Boote auf Jagd" hiermit zu beenden. Es handelt sich um KEIN offizielles Add-On von Ubisoft noch haben wir mit dem Inhalt etwas zu tun. Daher akzeptieren wir keine Werbung noch ausgedehnte Diskussionen zu diesem Thema.

http://forums-de.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/469102863/m/1871024263


Now Wulfmann exept of you'r saiing i didn't see Any official Note from UBI that X-1 IS as you claim the OFFICIAL ADD-ON so where can you show us THE proof of it ???

[Gizzmoe]

Now Wulfmann exept of you'r saiing i didn't see Any official Note from UBI that X-1 IS as you claim the OFFICIAL ADD-ON so where can you show us THE proof of it ???

He didn´t say that it is an official add-on. Reread what he wrote: "I am putting a flak vest on to say this but the Seawolves Mediterranean is the only "official" expansion package. That is; they are the only ones to have UBIsoft permission to make a payware add on to SH3."

[Karl-Heinz Jaeger]

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Jeez Avon, you must have drilled those smileys forever to get them to smash their little heads against that wall in perfect unison. Thats discipline!!

*thinks to self*Glad I'm not serving on her boat!!

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[rogerbo]

Gizzmoe call me stupid but where is the exact line to draw between expansion and a Add-On ??

From Wiki

An expansion pack is an addition to an existing game. These add-ons mostly add new game areas, weapons, objects, and/or an extended storyline to a complete and already released game.

Add-ons are optional computer hardware or software modules that supplement or enhance the original unit they are adding on to. Also known as plugins, extensions, snap-ins, or various other vendor-specific names, these modules often have proprietary interfaces that are tightly held by the company that manufactured the original unit in order to prevent competing companies from producing add-ons

[Gizzmoe]

Gizzmoe call me stupid but where is the exact line to draw between expansion and a Add-On ??

Both are the same, why do you ask???

[rogerbo]

If both are the same then where is the difference in Wolfmanns official Extension and my Add-On ???

[Gizzmoe]

If both are the same then where is the difference in Wolfmanns official Extension and my Add-On ???

I guess you still don´t get it.

Ok, again: You said that Wulfmann claims that X-1 (Seewolves) is an official add-on/expansion pack. I said that he´d didn´t, he just said that Seawolves is the only "official" expansion/add-on, because they are the only ones to have UBIsoft permission to make a payware expansion/add-on to SH3.

[mkubani]

X-1 is a parasite company.

Their quest for stealing people's work is not limited to SH 3 community only. In the past, they have stolen many free airplane skins for their addons for simulators called IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles and Pacific Fighters.

No matter what they do now, there is no way I am buying ANYTHING from them EVER.

[scandium]

If both are the same then where is the difference in Wolfmanns official Extension and my Add-On ???

I guess you still don´t get it.

Ok, again: You said that Wulfmann claims that X-1 (Seewolves) is an official add-on/expansion pack. I said that he´d didn´t, he just said that Seawolves is the only "official" expansion/add-on, because they are the only ones to have UBIsoft permission to make a payware expansion/add-on to SH3.

The twists and turns you're making here to cut some fine distinction between the two is making me dizzy.

[scandium]

By the way I wouldn't touch their stuff with a hand grenade.

[scandium]

Gizzoe I'm talking about what you said here:


He didn´t say that it is an official add-on. Reread what he wrote: "I am putting a flak vest on to say this but the Seawolves Mediterranean is the only "official" expansion package. That is; they are the only ones to have UBIsoft permission to make a payware add on to SH3."

You say: He didn´t say that it is an official add-on.

He said "... the Seawolves Mediterranean is the only "official" expansion package."

I don't think many of us here make the distinction that you seem to be making between an "official add-on" and an "official expansion package".

[Gizzmoe]

You say: He didn´t say that it is an official add-on.

He said "... the Seawolves Mediterranean is the only "official" expansion package."

I don't think many of us here make the distinction that you seem to be making between an "official add-on" and an "official expansion package".

<GROAN!!!!>

Wulfmann also wrote "they are the only ones to have UBIsoft permission to make a payware add on to SH3." I´ve never tried to make an distinction, all I´ve said is that Wulfmann never said that Seawolves is a real official expansion pack, add-on or whatever you want to call it.

[scandium]

Alright, whatever. Its still enough twisting and turning to make one's head spin all to point out that this loathesome parasite company supposedly has permission to peddle an expansion/add-on.

[Gizzmoe]

Not "supposedly", they do have the permission. The proof is in the shops and on the Internet. You can buy their SH3 add-on since September 2005 in Germany and Switzerland, also soon in the UK.

[scandium]

Interestingly my only reaction is to wonder how much of it is other people's code/artwork used without permission or compensation.

Alas, I'm not curious enough to buy it to find out though.

[Wulfmann]

How can we fight over this? Let me count the ways.
No, I will be dead in the 30-40 years that may take!

Seawolves is not published by UBI. They have UBI’s permission to make an expansion package to sell.
When last year someone tried to do this without permission UBI axed it. Not one person said these guys were wrong to modify copyrighted material without permission.

Now, I read I must prove they have permission.
I don’t care if you don’t believe it. Live in your fantasy, which is fine. After the first pack they are making this much much better one. How big of a genius does one have to be to figure UBI knows about this?

As for my “plugging” the new package, well, I am relaying what I see in the beta. Sorry if that happens to translate into the fun I am having.

As for all the people that hate X-1 you might be surprised to find they do not notice. How many here know others personally? How many have ever spoken on the phone?
I advise X-1 simply to improve the game in spite of my reservations of the last package I want this one to improve the overall SH3 and help broaden the base for SH4 so there will be a SH5.
For those that misunderstand my intentions and do your childish name calling please don’t be too upset that I do not care.
Well, maybe Avon Lady. I am a little afraid of her!
:rotfl:

Wulfmann

[xrvjorn]

As for all the people that hate X-1 you might be surprised to find they do not notice.

It's not important that they should notice. It's important that people don't buy from them.

Besides, they probably DO notice even if they don't care. If they didn't search the forums, where would they have found the mods they stole?

[Wulfmann]

It's important that people don't buy from them.

And yet 80% said they would buy it from the poll at Real-UBoat which is an anti-X-1 site.
We shall see how the numbers play out.

Wulfmann

[xrvjorn]

And yet 80% said they would buy it from the poll at Real-UBoat which is an anti-X-1 site.
We shall see how the numbers play out.


How many have you sold so far? Judging from the response here, your sales efforts here at Subsim aren't going to well...

[scandium]

I think a more accurate poll would have three choices:

a. Buy any expansion if it came out.
b. Only if it weren't done by X-1.
c. Not buy it no matter who made it.

If there's no option B the poll is meaningless, since the community's loathing of X-1 may exceed its desire for any "official" expansion pack made by them.

[jasonb885]

The new X-1 pack is all new material but hurt feelings here will not accept that.

They took other people's freeware and sold it. Who cares if they have a new expansion pack or not after such a stunt? I can accept that they have new material but I'm still not going to support a company with a history of stealing.

Exactly.

Game over already.

This is getting so old.

I really don't feel like trolling out the original threads with proof positive that mods were taken without permission, but I'm happy to do so...

:doh:

[jasonb885]

Oh, screw this.

Can we just lock it up please?

Thanks.

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[Salvadoreno]

the NYGM Tonnage War Mod seems to address the lame Medd action in stock sh3. Now the med is awesome (well supposedly), and the X1 software isnt needed, it doesnt look much diff besides more ships added. And looking at the RND layer it has SO MUCH TRAFFIC its unrealistic, almost like an arcade sink fest.

[Wulfmann]

Jason on that I agree.
Every time someone post asking what is in the new add on people come on and start a flame war.
I feel I have a right to express my opinion because I am beta testing the new version and know it is original.
I concede the bad feelings from the first X-1 project.
I also understand those that feel bad toward X-1 have no desire to consider the new one.
But, when they make the assumption on the second, they are wrong.
I am not trying to convince those that dislike X-1 to buy it.
I just feel I should relay what I know about the next one to counter false and misleading claims.

Wulfmann

[jasonb885]

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I just feel I should relay what I know about the next one to counter false and misleading claims.


What false and misleading claims?

Other than some confusion over whether UBI would actually officially authorize such a disgusting group of people to release a 'product' with UBI's blessing -- and it is entirely understable why that's hard to believe and I won't be _buying_ another UBI product _ever_ again between Starforce, X1, and the beta state SH3 v1.0 was released in -- I haven't seen any misleading claims.

I have presented no evidence that any community mods were using in the new X1 'product', only that the X1 people have proven they're disgusting animals and no one should fund such immoral slobs.

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[Wulfmann]

I take it you are not a political speech writer!!!:rotfl:

Many people have made such false claims on the new one often by association and that is where I have made my defenses.

I do understand those that do not want to consider this because of past events.

I also am concerned that those that make the choice to buy this add on will be rediculed at this site and driven away.
There is nothing wrong with people choosing not to buy this.
But, there is nothing wrong with others making the choice to add to their SH3 experience in a manner that does not involve learning the mod world and they should be welcomed to a stronger larger community that makes SH4 more pomentially succesful.

You have every right to not buy UBI products, your choice. Most here will want to get SH4 and our far bigger concern is not X-1 but Starforce.

Wulfmann

[SubSerpent]

I got something important to say about all this ..... oh....oh dear....oh no....here it comes..............'BBBBBBBUUUUURRRRRIIIIIPPPPPPSs ss'!!!!!
Nevermind, I just had to fart!!!! :rotfl:

[jasonb885]

I take it you are not a political speech writer!!!:rotfl:


Heh.


Many people have made such false claims on the new one often by association and that is where I have made my defenses.


All anyone has is your word that the upcoming mod is 'clean'.

Maybe a sincere apology from the actual X1 tools instead of more nude photo links would be worthwhile.


I do understand those that do not want to consider this because of past events.


Yep.


I also am concerned that those that make the choice to buy this add on will be rediculed at this site and driven away.
There is nothing wrong with people choosing not to buy this.
But, there is nothing wrong with others making the choice to add to their SH3 experience in a manner that does not involve learning the mod world and they should be welcomed to a stronger larger community that makes SH4 more pomentially succesful.


I don't see how any of this would make SH4 more successful.

Between Starforce and how buggy SH3 was until v1.4b, I think UBI has made a very effective case for not purchasing their products in the future. Officially sanctioning scammers like X1 is just icing.


You have every right to not buy UBI products, your choice. Most here will want to get SH4 and our far bigger concern is not X-1 but Starforce.

Starforce is definitely a real problem.

It's a shame when a 'software pirate' has more freedom with something he has no license to use than those who actually pay for a license to play!

:down:

[Wulfmann]

I see your point J and actually usually do. I just prefer to look past it for my own personal fun. I like SH3. I run at least one patrol every single day sometimes 2 or 3.

There is no black and white to me only variations of Grey. The mod community stealing X-1s mods and saying it was OK because the left their private site unprotected said all I needed to know about shades of grey on no one being the good guy.
You will never make me believe the mod community acted reasonably or honorably. They got right down and did the very same stuff, in principle they accused X-1 of doing.
War crimes are only war crimes when the other guy does it!

That said, I advise X-1. I suggest ships to model and run patrols and tell them my opinion and I am as frank as I am here.
They are not making this for me. They do not care what purist think. This will be for increased game play with history as a starting point and game play more important.
What is kind of odd is while I complain about the RND.mis file and think it will be a traffic jam it does not play like that at all.
I will get 3 or 4 task force reports and 2 small convoys but never run into any of them because they change directions more often. With all the task forces reported in about 40 missions I have attacked about 6 or 7. I see them passing out of range almost once a patrol on average. You are right, that is too much. But it is much more fun and I almost hate to admit that. Reality in a U-Boat is extreme boredom with brief periods of terror. This simple condenses the action. Patrols are shorter and with more variation in the action, much more Luftwaffe involvement and having to ID for fear of hitting friendlies. This is a whole new way of SH3. Not so much better but so different it is worthwhile if for only a change of pace for us that actually play this on a regular basis.
The people that buy this will mostly be very happy they did.
Wulfmann

[Syxx_Killer]

Does someone have a link to this "new" Meditteranean add-on? I'm curious what is being added. :88)

[jasonb885]

I see your point J and actually usually do. I just prefer to look past it for my own personal fun. I like SH3. I run at least one patrol every single day sometimes 2 or 3.


Fun? I guess you have too much free time if you find paying Devil's advocate for people that suck fun.


There is no black and white to me only variations of Grey. The mod community stealing X-1s mods and saying it was OK because the left their private site unprotected said all I needed to know about shades of grey on no one being the good guy.


First, the 'mod community' never said any such a thing. You can't speak for everyone.

Second, no one sold or in any way profited from peaking at the leaked SeaWolves release.

If you think X1's transgression is the lesser that is truly sad.


You will never make me believe the mod community acted reasonably or honorably. They got right down and did the very same stuff, in principle they accused X-1 of doing.
War crimes are only war crimes when the other guy does it!


Eh?

There was no profiteering on the part of _any_ commmunity modder. _NOT A ONE._

X1 laughed all the way to the bank, using community mods to get paid. That's just sick.


That said, I advise X-1. I suggest ships to model and run patrols and tell them my opinion and I am as frank as I am here.
They are not making this for me. They do not care what purist think. This will be for increased game play with history as a starting point and game play more important.
What is kind of odd is while I complain about the RND.mis file and think it will be a traffic jam it does not play like that at all.
I will get 3 or 4 task force reports and 2 small convoys but never run into any of them because they change directions more often. With all the task forces reported in about 40 missions I have attacked about 6 or 7. I see them passing out of range almost once a patrol on average. You are right, that is too much. But it is much more fun and I almost hate to admit that. Reality in a U-Boat is extreme boredom with brief periods of terror. This simple condenses the action. Patrols are shorter and with more variation in the action, much more Luftwaffe involvement and having to ID for fear of hitting friendlies. This is a whole new way of SH3. Not so much better but so different it is worthwhile if for only a change of pace for us that actually play this on a regular basis.
The people that buy this will mostly be very happy they did.


Only those that either a) don't know that X1 and CP borrowed from the community without permission or apparently any consideration or b) like you, really don't care.

Your attitude can only be taken as one big FU to the modding community.

[jasondef]

I think y'all arguing is at this point futile, nobody's going to budge from their platform. So just agree to disagree, and go sink some merchants already! Its much more fun than this topic at this point.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

I think y'all arguing is at this point futile, nobody's going to budge from their platform. So just agree to disagree, and go sink some merchants already! Its much more fun than this topic at this point.

Yes and there are always alternatives as long as our modders live and breathe. :cool:

[The Avon Lady]

I think y'all arguing is at this point futile, nobody's going to budge from their platform. So just agree to disagree, and go sink some merchants already! Its much more fun than this topic at this point.

Yes and there are always alternatives as long as our modders live and breathe. :cool:
:o Don't give them any ideas!!!!!!! :o

[The Noob]

<First warning. - Gizzmoe>

[Kpt. Lehmann]

I think y'all arguing is at this point futile, nobody's going to budge from their platform. So just agree to disagree, and go sink some merchants already! Its much more fun than this topic at this point.

Yes and there are always alternatives as long as our modders live and breathe. :cool:
:o Don't give them any ideas!!!!!!! :o

Arrrgh!

I should re-state what I am trying to say I guess.

There are always alternatives to dealing with questionable sources/parties/potential software pirates and/or piracy....

Which is how I view X-1 and all related.

I'm not going to quantify or qualify my stated opinion. I don't have the time to do so.

Besides, the Subsim community faithful have largely echoed my thoughts on the matter anyway.

Boycott X-1

Come to Subsim.com and get what you want regarding add-ons free and clean.

[Wulfmann]

IMO, it was the mod community that made SH3 an excellent game rather than a decent short of its potential program.
Still, I look at my highly tweaked version and it is so unique that no one has anything like it.
I like to mod. That is part of the fun.
So do others here like to mod. I hope they also enjoy it.
The majority of people do not mod in spite of the dozens that post here believing they represent the whole SH3 community and all think just like them.
Dream on.
The new Seawolves Mediterranean, to those that do not mod, will improve their game considerably. The fact it will cost them an hour of their wages and allow them to simply play and enjoy escapes the majority here and that is almost unbelievable how that is not understood.
Most do not want to mod. They buy PC games to play.
I understand and agree with those that boycott X-1.
I understand and agree with those that do not care and want to buy a Mod add on and enjoy themselves.
And Jason, if you think your criticizing me for having all the time in the world to do exactly what I please every day of my life well is a cut, well, you are not alone. People can not understand how I can enjoy myself so much and am busy day and night never having time for TV and such when I have no obligation to do a thing. It is called self modivation.

Wulfmann

[jasonb885]

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The majority of people do not mod in spite of the dozens that post here believing they represent the whole SH3 community and all think just like them.
Dream on.


Eh?


The new Seawolves Mediterranean, to those that do not mod, will improve their game considerably.


In support of those who are shady. With a reputation like X1 and CombatPlanes have, it sounds like it's better to light my money on fire.


The fact it will cost them an hour of their wages and allow them to simply play and enjoy escapes the majority here and that is almost unbelievable how that is not understood.


And that's a lot if you're buying from a scammer. You have no recourse once you've been screwed over. You think Amazon is going to refund your money? Heh.


Most do not want to mod. They buy PC games to play.


And those people don't read this forum and don't know they're supporting a company of lies and thieves.


I understand and agree with those that boycott X-1.
I understand and agree with those that do not care and want to buy a Mod add on and enjoy themselves.


Good job.


And Jason, if you think your criticizing me for having all the time in the world to do exactly what I please every day of my life well is a cut, well, you are not alone. People can not understand how I can enjoy myself so much and am busy day and night never having time for TV and such when I have no obligation to do a thing. It is called self modivation.

snip annoying oversized sig

No, I critize for your continued support of proven scammers. Your determination to defend X1 and CP is just sickening.

What your describe sounds like unemployment, to me.

Why not employ some of that self motivation towards a good course in grammar, eh?

kthxbye.

[JCWolf]

Oh peeeeelease! :zzz:


This talk about X1 Sucks! :rock:

It's anoying, and completly out of timing cause now that Greywolves came out i Wonder what they'll do! :o


Sorry guys , but realy , talking about X... is giving that thing to much importance! :arrgh!:


"I hope Nobody Kills me for this! " :doh: :up:

[VonHelsching]

Please...
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:/\x:

[xrvjorn]

Being an X-1 apologist seems to be a lot of work, but the effort must be about as rewarding as being an SCO apologist at a Linux forum...

[Wulfmann]

"What your describe sounds like unemployment, to me. "

That would be true if I wanted employment.
Even when I did work for a living as a freelance photojournalist and then a travel writer it was by assignment.
Have you noticed I don’t mind having a different point of view? How long do think that would last at a job (ugh, the word job is sick!)

I enjoy complete freedom. I wake up when I open my eyes not buy any schedule.

I do hear of people that can’t function without a job but that amazes me. I love having 24/7 all to myself.

J, I am beginning to think we don’t agree on this!

Bad grammar??? I ain’t gots no book lernen!

Wulfmann

[jasonb885]

Being an X-1 apologist seems to be a lot of work, but the effort must be about as rewarding as being an SCO apologist at a Linux forum...

Haha.

You called it so good!

:up: :up: :up:

[jasonb885]

"What your describe sounds like unemployment, to me. "

That would be true if I wanted employment.
Even when I did work for a living as a freelance photojournalist and then a travel writer it was by assignment.
Have you noticed I don’t mind having a different point of view? How long do think that would last at a job (ugh, the word job is sick!)


Yeah, it's nice being able to air how you really feel about things. ;)


I enjoy complete freedom. I wake up when I open my eyes not buy any schedule.

I do hear of people that can’t function without a job but that amazes me. I love having 24/7 all to myself.

J, I am beginning to think we don’t agree on this!

Bad grammar??? I ain’t gots no book lernen!


Yes, I eventually became really bored. Instead of shillin' for X1 I ended up getting a job with a good company, cool people, and a flexible schedule. It's quite nice. The pay is certainly nice.

:smug:

[kiwi_2005]

The only type of ppl that play X1 games are these types :arrgh!:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/mischazion/music_porn.jpg

[Cheapskate]

The only type of ppl that play X1 games are these types :arrgh!:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/mischazion/music_porn.jpg

Oi Kiwi !! Watch what you're saying :hulk: I've never been near an XI game in my life!!!!

Mind you, I've got a couple of Combatplanes ones.....Is that as bad????

[JCWolf]

The only type of ppl that play X1 games are these types :arrgh!:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/mischazion/music_porn.jpg



:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[SubSerpent]

:rotfl: That is some funny stuff right there :rotfl:


Wulfmann, please stop arguing your point on here. I tried to play that game with Skybird in the tanksim.com forum and got sent to the 'time-out' chair for a few days. I was wrong in the end and I know that now. Maybe you should end your argument here and now since you've already made your point once, twice, umpteen million times already. We don't need to hear anymore on this. Seems like you drew a weak hand on this topic and everyone else has a full house, that's just too bad. However the same should go to all those against Wulfmann for his beliefs - stop baiting him on! I personally think this topic needs to be closed once and for all since no good ever comes from it! John Channing where are you! This topic is becoming a war zone I fear!

[jasonb885]

My bad.

No publicity is bad publicity. This is actually selfdefeatist. Out of 100 people that never touch X1, one person will probably go out and buy from them after reading all these threads. A company like X1 only wants that one sale and doesn't care about the rest.

I'm done.

:doh:

[Wulfmann]

SubSerp, I just come on and explain the new version is all original stuff when people suggest or blatantly state it is not.
That is my point.
When anyone makes false and inaccurate statements I feel it is only fair to share what I know about this next add on.
So, do not make these false claims and I won't have to share my actual experiences from playing the beta version.

Sometimes Jason does a little name calling to detract from his weak argument (a sure sign of little evidence) but usually it is just some harmless banter.

Wulfmann

[jasonb885]

...
Sometimes Jason does a little name calling to detract from his weak argument (a sure sign of little evidence) but usually it is just some harmless banter.

Wulfmann

Dude, did you miss the entire discussion last year you participated in where it was proved beyond any doubt that SeaWolves was using mods from the community without permission?

Sigh.

:nope:

[CCIP]

...
Sometimes Jason does a little name calling to detract from his weak argument (a sure sign of little evidence) but usually it is just some harmless banter.

Wulfmann

Dude, did you miss the entire discussion last year you participated in where it was proved beyond any doubt that SeaWolves was using mods from the community without permission?

Sigh.

:nope:

Plus someone else whose name starts with Trombke was known for more than a little name-calling in that thread :yep:

As someone who was around for the whole thing, I can tell you that the community here did their research on SeaWolves and made their findings known. All the while Seawolves staff behaved on the forum very badly. This has been looked over and even Neal, looking over the discussion, had to make a statement telling Seawolves to clean up their act.

All this talk lately might suggest that they have, but we need hard facts. Don't make a mistake, their original fault has been proven beyond all doubt. No "name calling" excuse works, because from what I've observed, the Seawolves producers have earned the names given to them by the SHIII modding community, and have yet to do something concrete to redeem themselves.

I'm open to that. But let them go ahead and come clean themselves.

[SubSerpent]

I don't frankly care anymore, nor do most of us here. This topic seems to be debated between Jason and Wulfmann and should be argued out in private emails or IM and not in here. The original poster should be smart enough to read into this matter more from previous threads that still include all the arguing and name calling that were posted months ago. All anyone needs to do is point a finger towards one of those old links. All the arguments in here are the same old arguments from before.


Jason, don't waste your time with this guy, he just seems to be here to argue.


Wulfmann, don't waste your time 'defending X1' from Jason or whoever else. I'm not saying you aren't entitled to your 'opinions' but you are arguing on the weak side of this case since most folks that are regulars aren't buying into your claims. We just simply don't care about 'payware mods'.


Enough has been said on this subject, no more needs to be said!!!

[Wulfmann]

Sub, you care a lot and so does Jason. The old argument that the opposite of love is hate is not at all true. The opposite of love is indifference.

If you and Jason were not argumentive and constantly flipping out and name calling it is not for lack of interest, it is your infuriation you can not convince me. You simply demand people see things like you.

The funny thing is I don't totally disagree. I keep saying the same thing but you will not listen.
I had nothing to do with the first Seawolves.
I advise and beta test the new, all original Med add on.
When someone says this contains unauthorized mods, I will post to dismiss the false claim.
If you do not want that, do not make these false claims. Saying you don't like these guys (I never ever conferred in any way with one Trombke) and because of the first one you would not support the second one no matter if it is all original is a legitimate position.
Saying the next on has free mods is not.
Don't say it and I won't need to clarify it.
Once it is released you can go through and prove me right!

Wulfmann

[The Noob]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c387/mischazion/music_porn.jpg

HAW HAW HAW!!!!

MEGALLLLLLOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rogerbo]

Wulfmann you constantly repeat your self that you'r Betatesting and Advising them, now how do you know that what you see as BETA realy has been made by them ? Do you know ALL the mods out there that you realy can say Yes the did all them selves ? And with which tools are they do it ? with the Tools the Moders made available ? you see the point is they haven't invented anything but just taken what's available in the scene and now want to make $$ In my eyes that's just ripping of the comunity, they only take what the moders (specialy here) made available with NO giving back.

[xrvjorn]

Wulfmann you constantly repeat your self that you'r Betatesting and Advising them, now how do you know that what you see as BETA really has been made by them ?

Does it really matter? They have a history as thieves. Whether or not they have done their own material in a current release won't wash that away. Thus, I think it's pointless to discuss what X1 is doing now, since we already know what kind of company it is.

But I do see your point, since thieves usually are liars as well. I wouldn't trust them either, let alone associate myself with them or their likes.

[Wulfmann]

Since some members of the Mod community stole the original X-1 data to "investigate" saying stealing is OK for them, I do not believe that means every mod maker is also a thief.

I can tell you most of the ships I got in the first beta were not available anywhere at all and most still are not available.
Who did they steal them from??
Then when I would suggest something in the model was wrong and they fixed it, who did they steal the fix from?
Many effects I have seen for months were not available anywhere. I wonder if seeing screen shots of them from X-1 others could guess what they did and copied it?
One suggested the Mob36 DD and US carrier might be their work. I have their mod and I have X-1's. They are not the same files, dates or even file sizes and X-1 had them before they were released in the Mod community.
Well, stating that got an apology? No, the mod community has the right to make false claims because they do not profit so that makes it OK.

Some (most in the mod community are dedicated honest people) sound like Jesse Jackson or Swaggert who feel they have a right that others do not.

If you feel because of the conduct of the first Seawolves you can not support the next project, I understand completely.
But, when you support stealing and lying for the mod community as justified, I can not and will not accept that.
If someone questions a mod in Seawolves and it is shown that they did their own work, they deserve an apology.

How do I know that a mod in Seawolves is really their work when that mod is not available anywhere at all??? How stupid a question is that?

Wulfmann

[jasonb885]

Since some members of the Mod community stole the original X-1 data to "investigate" saying stealing is OK for them, I do not believe that means every mod maker is also a thief.

I can tell you most of the ships I got in the first beta were not available anywhere at all and most still are not available.
Who did they steal them from??
Then when I would suggest something in the model was wrong and they fixed it, who did they steal the fix from?


You are making false and misleading claims about the first SeaWolves mod.

I can't let that go.

You can say all you want about the new mod, I don't care.

But lying about the original theft of mods is simply wrong.

End of post.

:nope:

[xrvjorn]

Since some members of the Mod community stole the original X-1 data to "investigate" saying stealing is OK for them, ...

I agree. If a mod maker gets his material stolen, he should immediately send his money to the thieves by buying their product. That's the decent thing to do.

I can tell you most of the ships I got in the first beta were not available anywhere at all and most still are not available.
Who did they steal them from??

Oh, they didn't steal everything? There was actually some non-stolen material included? Well, that makes everything alright then. Sorry for bothering you.

[Wulfmann]

Where have I heard that lingo before??
Hmmmmmmmm?

Wulfmann

[Wulfmann]

OK X, I will play along.

I am referring to the new Mediterranean add on which is what was being addressed.

You say not everything was stolen so you must have some idea what has been stolen to make the new Seawolves Med.

Name something. Please, anything at all.

There is a long list at Combat Planes site of what is in this new package.
Please copy that list and place a "stolen" next to each mod that is not theirs.
You do realize that making an accusation will require some evidence or do you think just making it up is enough?

Wulfmann

[jasonb885]

OK X, I will play along.

I am referring to the new Mediterranean add on which is what was being addressed.


Lie. You weren't. And I quote you at yourself.

Since some members of the Mod community stole the original X-1 data to "investigate" saying stealing is OK for them, I do not believe that means every mod maker is also a thief.

I can tell you most of the ships I got in the first beta were not available anywhere at all and most still are not available.
Who did they steal them from??
Then when I would suggest something in the model was wrong and they fixed it, who did they steal the fix from?


You can't have it both ways.

Either you're talking about SeaWolves or the new Med payware mod.

Pick one.

You can't call someone out when they comment about your lies regarding the original SeaWolves and claim you're talking about SeaWolves 2 when you just flat out said you're talking about the original SeaWolves!

:nope:

[xrvjorn]

I am referring to the new Mediterranean add on which is what was being addressed.

Sorry, I was referring to the old one.

[CWorth]

The original Seawolves add-on was proven to be made up of stolen items.Plain and simple.There is no debate on this.

Now comes a second mod they are doing.Did they do it properly and make it themselves...maybe.However we wont know for sure until it is released.I for one dont care if they did it properly this time.

They stole from the community before and proved themselves to be low life scumbags here on this forum.So they lost any chance right then of me ever supporting them.

And you choosing to team up with them as a beta tester and obviously a go between does not add much to your arguments in terms of believability.For all we know your doing just what they want you to do...blow smoke up our butts to cover for them.Your arguments hold little weight.

You may as well give it up...you will get little to no sympathy or support here.

[John Channing]

You know what?

This is just the same stuff over and over and over. All of the points that could have been made have been made, so it is time for this thread to be consigned to the deep.

And any more personal attacks by a couple of the participants in this thread and they will find themselves joining it.

JCC