How Islamic inventors changed the world

[bradclark1]

:D 1001 Inventions: Discover the Muslim Heritage in Our World" is a new exhibition which began a nationwide tour this week. It is currently at the Science Museum in Manchester. For more information, go to www.1001inventions.com.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article350594.ece

[Type XXIII]

Interesting. I didn't know it was a muslim that invented coffee. Imagine what a horrible world it would be without it.

*Patiently waiting for the islamophobes to reply to this thread.*

PS. the link is broken, drop the period at the end.

[STEED]

Interesting. I didn't know it was a muslim that invented coffee. Imagine what a horrible world it would be without it.

*Patiently waiting for the islamophobes to reply to this thread.*

PS. the link is broken, drop the period at the end.

It's a horrible world will it no different's :doh:

[jumpy]

*Patiently waiting for the islamophobes to reply to this thread.*

hehe :hmm: *rises to the bait*
nothing like a well developed sense of inferiority to liven up the history of a culture - Yes! look how great an benevolent we are with all these wonderous inventions that we discovered before you... maybe so, but you should hear some of the things the arabs claim to 'belong' to them by way of invention. And please where's the grace and cultural sensitivity in being discreetly modest?
I dig their architecture and geometry though.



I won't bother furnishing this thred with links, that's what google is for.
go on then http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=things+the+arabs+claim+to+have+invented+first&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=arab+inventions&btnG=Search&meta=

[TLAM Strike]

I’ll still take some pride knowing that some of the more recent inventions of my people (the Irish and Ukrainians) may literately blow them away in the near future…

Irish Inventors:
Louis Brennan: Wire Guided Torpedo.
John Phillip Holland: Modern Military Submarine.
Sir James Martin: Aircraft Ejector Seat.
John Walker: Caterpillar Track

Ukrainian Inventors:
Sergey Korolev: Sputnik and Vostok ‘nuff said
Igor Sikorsky: The helicopter
Vladimir Chelomei: Proton Rocket, launch vehicle of the 1st space station.
Alexander Morozov: Tank Designer.
Alexander Samakula: anti-reflective coating for optical lenses.

What have Moslem Inventors does for us lately? The IED?

[The Avon Lady]

*Patiently waiting for the islamophobes to reply to this thread.*
Does disagreeing with distortions of history qualify as "Islamophobia"?

I remember when this letter (http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm) was published, in protest to a chock-full-of-nuts lecture given by Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett Packard.

Regarding this new 1001 Inventions site and exhibit, read what the science nerd community (http://science.slashdot.org/science/06/03/13/1255202.shtml) has to say (very difficult to follow).

[Sixpack]

I want to thank all muslim inventors for their brilliance. Too bad they dont seem to make muslims like that anymore.

[The Avon Lady]

EDIT: Sorry, forgot A1 GP
What is that? :hmm:

The steak sauce?! :shifty:

[Sixpack]

EDIT: Sorry, forgot A1 GP
What is that? :hmm:

The steak sauce?! :shifty:

http://www.a1gp.com/main.php?hf=Yes

[Fish]

What have Moslem Inventors does for us lately? The IED?

The suicide bomber? :-?

[STEED]

The suicide bomber? :-?

Sick but true.

[The Avon Lady]

EDIT: Sorry, forgot A1 GP
What is that? :hmm:

The steak sauce?! :shifty:
http://www.a1gp.com/main.php?hf=Yes
You seem to be all confused. Surely you meant to refer to this (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=14137). :hmm:

[TLAM Strike]

What have Moslem Inventors does for us lately? The IED?

The suicide bomber? :-?No I think that was a Japanese invention. :hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

What have Moslem Inventors does for us lately? The IED?

The suicide bomber? :-?No I think that was a Japanese invention. :hmm:
You must be referring to kamikazes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze).

In which case, you are wrong (http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part10.html).

[TLAM Strike]

What have Moslem Inventors does for us lately? The IED?

The suicide bomber? :-?No I think that was a Japanese invention. :hmm:
You must be referring to kamikazes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze).

In which case, you are wrong (http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part10.html).Actually I was talking about the Japanese school children that were taught to jump under an American tank with a satchel charge and blow them selves up.

[The Avon Lady]

What have Moslem Inventors does for us lately? The IED?

The suicide bomber? :-?No I think that was a Japanese invention. :hmm:
You must be referring to kamikazes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze).

In which case, you are wrong (http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part10.html).Actually I was talking about the Japanese school children that were thought to jump under an American tank with a satchel charge and blow them selves up.
In that case, I am wrong! :smug:

[TLAM Strike]

What have Moslem Inventors does for us lately? The IED?

The suicide bomber? :-?No I think that was a Japanese invention. :hmm:
You must be referring to kamikazes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze).

In which case, you are wrong (http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part10.html).Actually I was talking about the Japanese school children that were [taught] to jump under an American tank with a satchel charge and blow them selves up.
In that case, I am wrong! :smug: Also at the Battle of Okinawa Japanese soldiers (and some local women!) would blow them selves up with their hand grenades when capture seemed likely. Although this was more of a version of "Seppuku" (ritual suicide by disembowelment) than suicide bombing some Allied soldiers were killed.

[TankHunter]

The suicide bomber? :-?

Sick but true.

"Pop quiz: Who were the first suicide bombers?

It's sort of a trick question. Depends on the style of suicide you're talking about. If you count kamikazes, then the Japanese air force gets the honor, if it is one. If you mean vehicular mass-manslaughter--guys in trucks or cars bumping over the curb to double park'n'explode outside US embassies, then the real trendsetters were those Shiites who drove their truck into American, French and Israeli bases in Lebanon in the early eighties.

But if you're talking about simple pedestrian suicide-bombers, the kind who stroll around wearing those fashionable TNT vests, the ones who drift into fast-food strip malls in Jerusalem and pull their instant-hamburger string...well, it's pretty clear who gets the credit for that. That distinction goes to those underrated killers, the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, or LTTE for short. The LTTE did its first walking suicide-bomb in 1987, killing 40-odd government soldiers in some hellhole called Nelliyadi...

Sri Lanka's one of those tropical hellholes that changed its name when the Brits left. Burma turned into Myanmar and Ceylon -- like the tea -- turned into Sri Lanka. It's a little droplet-shapes island off the southeast tip of India. And it's one of those wonderful multi-ethnic countries where people spend most of their time killing each other. The players here are the Sinhalese, who are maybe two-thirds of the population, and the Tamils, who are the other third. The Sinhalese hang out in the South and West of the island and the Tamils stick to the northeast. The Sinhalese are Buddhists, the Tamils are Hindus."

http://www.exile.ru/2003-June-26/war_nerd.html

[Vinay]

Tamil's are not only Hindus, but Christians, Muslims etc. But surely Majority of them are Hindus. Tamil's are an ethnic community. The problem in Srilanka is a very complicated one. LTTE is a terrorist organistaion banned in India for carrying out terrorist operation in India and killing the Indian Prime Minister Shri. Rajiv Gandhi. The LTTE leader Prabhakaran is wanted in India.

Tamil's are the people who speak the Tamil language, like the French are the on'e's who speak the French Language.

[Vinay]

Indian Inventions
http://www.crystalinks.com/indiascience.html

http://india_resource.tripod.com/technology.htm

http://india_resource.tripod.com/indianhistory.html

[TankHunter]

Tamil's are not only Hindus, but Christians, Muslims etc. But surely Majority of them are Hindus. Tamil's are an ethnic community. The problem in Srilanka is a very complicated one. LTTE is a terrorist organistaion banned in India for carrying out terrorist operation in India and killing the Indian Prime Minister Shri. Rajiv Gandhi. The LTTE leader Prabhakaran is wanted in India.

Tamil's are the people who speak the Tamil language, like the French are the on'e's who speak the French Language.

Oh ya, of course. The guy uses generalizations to give a synopsis of the situation in the shortest amount of space possible.

[TLAM Strike]

Tamil's are the people who speak the Tamil language, like the French are the on'e's who speak the French Language. A lot of Canadians speak French, as do some Americans (like in New Orleans). :yep:

[Happy Times]

Tamil's are the people who speak the Tamil language, like the French are the on'e's who speak the French Language. A lot of Canadians speak French, as do some Americans (like in New Orleans). :yep:And..France, including French Overseas Departments, Communities and Territories; Canada especially in Quebec and New Brunswick; Belgium; Switzerland; Luxembourg; Monaco; Algeria; many Western and Central African nations such as Ivory Coast, Republic of the Congo, Niger, Senegal and Tunisia; Haiti; Mauritius; some Asian countries such as Laos and Vietnam; and the U.S. states of Louisiana, Maine, and New Hampshire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language

[Vinay]

A lot of Canadians speak French, as do some Americans (like in New Orleans). yep

Exactly, Similarly there are Indian Tamillians, Srilankan Tamilians, Singaporean Tamil's etc etc.

[Abraham]

I remember when this letter (http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm) was published, in protest to a chock-full-of-nuts lecture given by Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett Packard...

Thanks for pointing out this letter on Arab Civilisation. I especially liked the line:
"Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards."
So true. Islam prohibits investigative, exploratory, creative, scientific and critical thinking.
How many Arab Nobel-prize winners are there - apart from Yassir Arafat?

[TteFAboB]

Watch it Abraham, according to open-arms-warm-welcoming Type XXIII, you are acting as an Islamophobe.

Do it like him and praise something, quick!

[Bertgang]

I remember when this letter (http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm) was published, in protest to a chock-full-of-nuts lecture given by Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett Packard...

Thanks for pointing out this letter on Arab Civilisation. I especially liked the line:
"Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards."
So true. Islam prohibits investigative, exploratory, creative, scientific and critical thinking.


Not so true, if you think with an historical perspective.
Christian culture, specially catholic culture (the mine), was for century against investigative, exploratory, creative, scientific and critical thinking: this nasty attitude, a strong brake for any scientific and social development, has changed since no so long time.

Now it's so easy and cheap to tell something against Islam, as too many bad apples pretend to be the perfect believers of Allah, but religion has little to do with their actions.

Terrorism is an old European invention, then exported and modified for a new environement.
Some historical types, peculiar to my country:
Patriot terrorism, against foreign rulers (mainly austrians);
German terrorism, by people of South Tyrol under italian rule;
Red terrorism, made by people close to communism;
Black terrorism, made by people close to fascism.

Not speaking of other european countries with different problems.

[TLAM Strike]

How many Arab Nobel-prize winners are there - apart from Yassir Arafat? Nota whole lots here is a break down of Nobel Laureates from the Middle East (minus Israel):

3 Peace
1 Literature
1 Chemistry
1 Physics

By nation:
Egypt
Mohamed ElBaradei, Peace, 2005
Naguib Mahfouz, Literature, 1988
Anwar Sadat, Peace, 1978
Ahmed H. Zewail, Chemistry, 1999

Iran
Shirin Ebadi, Peace, 2003

Pakistan
Abdus Salam, , Physics, 1979

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_by_country

[TLAM Strike]

Terrorism is an old European invention, then exported and modified for a new environement.
Some historical types, peculiar to my country:
Patriot terrorism, against foreign rulers (mainly austrians);
German terrorism, by people of South Tyrol under italian rule;
Red terrorism, made by people close to communism;
Black terrorism, made by people close to fascism.

Not speaking of other european countries with different problems.

Believe it or not terrorism is a Jewish Invention (I S*hit you not!) 1st Centaury Jewish Zealots and hired assassins (called Sicarii) conducted acts of terrorism and murder against Roman occupiers and their Jewish collaborators. This is most likey the 1st recorded acts of terrorism in history.

Don’t ya just hate it when something comes back to bite you in the @$$?

[Bertgang]

Believe it or not terrorism is a Jewish Invention (I S*hit you not!)

As for the suicidal attack, used by a Jewish hero to kill a war elephant knowing that it was going to fall over him; sort of reversed japanese kamikaze tactic.

Nothing really new happens now, after all, out of the use of powerful explosives, quite unknown until Mr. Nobel created the first reliable one (not thinking to some nasty possible use).

[STEED]

We are all used to the conventional explosives, sooner or later the next level will be the dirty bomb. :nope:

[Abraham]

Watch it Abraham, according to open-arms-warm-welcoming Type XXIII, you are acting as an Islamophobe.

Do it like him and praise something, quick!
Naw, I can't believe anybody is going to say something that stupid about me...
Actually I think Islam is in great danger in this modern world and resorts to reactionary tactics to survive unchanged. It's really like a dinosaur that doesn't adapt to modernity. It can only survive in a backwards, undevelloped, reactionary, protected environment, not (unchanged) in the rest of the world... Look how they reacted to some innocent cartoons, for Mohammed's sake! (Or is that remark politically incorrect and should I say: "for Christ's sake"? I'm really in doubt now, perhaps it should be: "For G-d's sake"?).
;)
Am I Islamophobe? Rather the contrary!

I remember when this letter (http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm) was published, in protest to a chock-full-of-nuts lecture given by Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett Packard...

Thanks for pointing out this letter on Arab Civilisation. I especially liked the line:
"Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards."
So true. Islam prohibits investigative, exploratory, creative, scientific and critical thinking.


Not so true, if you think with an historical perspective.
Christian culture, specially catholic culture (the mine), was for century against investigative, exploratory, creative, scientific and critical thinking: this nasty attitude, a strong brake for any scientific and social development, has changed since no so long time.

Now it's so easy and cheap to tell something against Islam, as too many bad apples pretend to be the perfect believers of Allah, but religion has little to do with their actions.

Terrorism is an old European invention, then exported and modified for a new environement.
Some historical types, peculiar to my country:
Patriot terrorism, against foreign rulers (mainly austrians);
German terrorism, by people of South Tyrol under italian rule;
Red terrorism, made by people close to communism;
Black terrorism, made by people close to fascism.

Not speaking of other european countries with different problems.
I don't agree at all with your comment.
Being a Christian myself (Protestant) I have nothing against religion in general. A blessing for Christianity was that the rigid medieval thinking of the Catholic Church - only slightly more modern than Muslim thinking of the 7th and 8th Century - was woken up by the great Roman thinker Thomas Aquinas, who set into movement the modern thinking about church authority and state authority, which led to the Renaissance, consequently the Reformation and finally the Enlightment. The end result of this phantastic devellopment is the separation of the powers of State and Church in the modern world, freedom of religion and (other) Human Rights. I could dwell on on this subject as long as Skybird on Islam...
All this came after often fierce conflicts, but the result has been a burst of progress in the Western world and a superior western culture that can be called dominant in much of the world.

You don't give any examples of the Islam not prohibiting investigative, exploratory, creative, scientific and critical thinking, as my point was.
The examples of terror in Europe that you give were clearly abberations of the normal rule of law, done by relatively small social groups, which violence was never condoned by the population at large (or the Church) and corrected by the respective societies themselves.

To counter any cheap arguments: I'm not saying that our Western society is perfect. I'm saying we've come a long way (with ups and downs) from solving conflicts between religions and between states and their subjects in an orderly way by thre rule of law.
Compare that to the Sharia...

[Type XXIII]

Islamophobe was a hyperbole. Though some of you are exhibiting a clear fear of Islam. (I'm deliberately not mentioning specific persons.)

open-arms-warm-welcoming Type XXIII

Can you please start reading my posts from a different perspective than trying to prove I'm naïve and ignorant? That I'm less anti-Islam than you doesn't automatically mean I'm pro-Islam.

[zombiewolf]

I remember when the country of Israel was invented along with terrorism( Irgun Zvai Leumi) attacks. Menachem Begin.Everheard of him .
I lost an uncle in that stuff.

Contacting the dormant Jewish underground, Irgun Zvai Leumi, Begin set about planning a Jewish uprising against the British authorities. This began in 1944, but increased in pace and scope immediately after World War II and continued until late 1947. Begin ordered many of the Irgun's operations, including the Akko prison breakout and the destruction of the central British administrative offices in the King David Hotel. Following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Begin disbanded the Irgun.

Everybody has their version of history.
People are people, politics is what bugs me

[Iceman]

I remember when the country of Israel was invented along with terrorism( Irgun Zvai Leumi) attacks. Menachem Begin.Everheard of him .
I lost an uncle in that stuff.

Contacting the dormant Jewish underground, Irgun Zvai Leumi, Begin set about planning a Jewish uprising against the British authorities. This began in 1944, but increased in pace and scope immediately after World War II and continued until late 1947. Begin ordered many of the Irgun's operations, including the Akko prison breakout and the destruction of the central British administrative offices in the King David Hotel. Following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Begin disbanded the Irgun.

Everybody has their version of history.
People are people, politics is what bugs me

Your first statement trips me out a little...If Isreal was only "Invented" in 1944 why do scrolls carbon dated in the B.C. time zone speak of a country called "Isreal"...

Exodus 1
[1] Now these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob.

Isreal has been around alooooooong time me thinks....and you know as well as me is Not the idea of a country of Isreal but Who has "Rights" to it..legally,morally, or whatever.....and "Terrorism" has been around since dirt was made....the Horror.....the Horror....If ya follow the logic of the scientist then I think you should listen and look at your own evidence that slaps you in the face.....scrolls dated pre-B.C. tell you all about who owns or has rights to the land of Isreal and to ignore the "Scientific' facts well now is just pigheadedness and stubborn in my opinion....but hey...opinions.

Maybe the Dead Sea Scrolls were just invented by alines to throw everyone off the trail.

[TteFAboB]

Islamophobe was a hyperbole. Though some of you are exhibiting a clear fear of Islam. (I'm deliberately not mentioning specific persons.)

open-arms-warm-welcoming Type XXIII

Can you please start reading my posts from a different perspective than trying to prove I'm naïve and ignorant? That I'm less anti-Islam than you doesn't automatically mean I'm pro-Islam.

But we're both Pro-Islam and Anti-Islam, who's more than the other I don't know. We are both pro a modern Islam, a reformed Islam much like the one European Muslim immigrants had to create to live in harmony in Europe. Instead of this minor personally reformed Islam, I assume we would both like if this sort of decent Islam was the mainstream, in the Mosques and in the mouth of the Immans in Europe.

Take the opposite of that and you know what we are both against.

So I ask you to do the same. Just because I'm more anti-Islam than you doesn't automatically mean I oppose Islam as a religion. I don't care about Islam, if Islam demanded its followers to cut off their testicles at a random point in life, I wouldn't bother with the butchery, it'd be their choice. I only bother because Islam has been hijacked and kept in captivity since birth to be used against me. They want to cut my testicles off. And the fine, peacefull Muslims who have no problems with my corporeal extensions are either voluntarily mute in a consenting silence or silenced by those who want people like me to shut up.

[Sixpack]

I don't care about Islam, if Islam demanded its followers to cut off their testicles at a random point in life, I wouldn't bother with the butchery, it'd be their choice. I only bother because Islam has been hijacked and kept in captivity since birth to be used against me. They want to cut my testicles off. And the fine, peacefull Muslims who have no problems with my corporeal extensions are either voluntarily mute in a consenting silence or silenced by those who want people like me to shut up.

Point graphically yet very well put ! :up:

[bradclark1]

Iceman,
Curious. Do you spell Israel Isreal on purpose?