View Full Version : Israel will have to act on Iran if UN can't
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-03-08T142833Z_01_L08205988_RTRUKOC_0_US-NUCLEAR-IRAN-ISRAEL.xml&rpc=22
BERLIN (Reuters) - If the U.N. Security Council is incapable of taking action to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, Israel will have no choice but to defend itself, Israel's defense minister said on Wednesday.
The U.N. talking shop is a waste of space. :damn:
Don't panic Israel will not mess around. :up:
JSLTIGER
03-08-06, 08:20 PM
And you know that if they do this, they'll be blamed for another international incident despite saving the world from numerous problems (like they did with the Osiraq reactor). :damn:
Happy Times
03-08-06, 08:34 PM
They cant do it on their own as they have to use Iraqi airspace. American involment is certain. Unless they bomb their way through Saudi-Arabia. :lol: Talkin about hitting two rargets with one stone.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/giggs88/nuke_mecca.gif
kiwi_2005
03-08-06, 10:31 PM
STEED you are on a roll, i haven't seen so many posts by one person since the days of Kapitain. :yep:
Onkel Neal
03-08-06, 10:37 PM
My question is, if Pres. Bush was so set on keeping WMDs our of Saddam's hands, why would he sit back and watch the mullahs and terrorism exporters openly develop nukes? :shifty:
TLAM Strike
03-08-06, 10:50 PM
My question is, if Pres. Bush was so set on keeping WMDs our of Saddam's hands, why would he sit back and watch the mullahs and terrorism exporters openly develop nukes? :shifty: Hoping they won’t be stupid enough to try and use them and force them in to deterrence until they are bankrupt. :hmm:
U-552Erich-Topp
03-08-06, 11:08 PM
Good point Neal. (Maybe they really aren't as close to developing WMD's as the media reports).
As for Israel, sure let them go it ALONE into Iran, without any Western help. Why not, it's their turn anyway.
Besides we don't want to continue draining our financial resources over here, for a war over there. (There are lot's of other things that our Western countries need to spend money on here at home).
JSLTIGER
03-08-06, 11:40 PM
Good point Neal. (Maybe they really aren't as close to developing WMD's as the media reports).
As for Israel, sure let them go it ALONE into Iran, without any Western help. Why not, it's their turn anyway.
Besides we don't want to continue draining our financial resources over here, for a war over there. (There are lot's of other things that our Western countries need to spend money on here at home).
Um...and just who do you think would pay for the operations? The U.S., of course. We already pay for a substantial portion of the Israeli military budget. The deal is we give them the money and they turn around and buy American equipment to keep Americans employed.
P.S. 800th Post
Sixpack
03-09-06, 02:07 AM
My question is, if Pres. Bush was so set on keeping WMDs our of Saddam's hands, why would he sit back and watch the mullahs and terrorism exporters openly develop nukes? :shifty:
C'mon, the whole world outside of Texas ;) knows by now George only did Saddam
1. for his dad
2. for oil.
Besides, I think he can't take no more. He seems mentally bankrupt or at least emotionally drained.
Looks like the West is going to sponsor Israel to have that great AF of 'em have another go at radical muslims..
My question is, if Pres. Bush was so set on keeping WMDs our of Saddam's hands, why would he sit back and watch the mullahs and terrorism exporters openly develop nukes? :shifty:
man I'm outta thoughts on the krazy crap going on ... maybe I need to go join Skybird and play that new tank game I read some about him playing. :)
I wonder the same thing on this question but I think he is just gambling some in that Russia and China will possibly apply some pressure or at the least give the " NOD" or whatever the signal is between big dogs to allow the other one to devour prey.
http://www.cyberallies.com/miscpics/wolf.jpg
Kapitan
03-09-06, 02:59 AM
ERHUM kiwi im still here !
It is impossible for Israel to attack Iran. This can only be done by the U.S. I checked using the map and found that if Israel is using Military aircraft to attack Iran, then they have to fly over Gulf or aquaba, Red Sea, Enter Arabian sea and then go and attack Iran which is nearly impossibe. Even if they want to fly over Iraq first they have to fly over Saudi Arabia or Jordan, or Syria. Another way is to go through Turkey and attack Iran.
If we see any attack by Israel, then it will be by using Ballastic Missiles or Cruise missiles fired from ships or subs.
And if the U.S is doing it, they can do a Iraq on Iran. They can enter Iran from Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey and send carrier battle groups to the Arabian sea and the Persian Gulf.
Sixpack
03-09-06, 04:29 AM
Here's a wild idea.
Since Dubya and the president of India are good buddies now, let India nuke/bomb Iranian installations in total secrecy, and have them put the blame on Pakistan. Pakistan must feel worried of becoming in the middle of 2 nuclear powers, which establishes the motive.
A groundwar between Pakistan and Iran will ensue in the south.
Etc
2 birds with one stone :know:
http://www.theodora.com/maps/new8/iran.gif
PS Or simply have B2s/Nighthawks fly from Afghanistan to Iran and bomb the hell out of anything they feel like :ping:
Onkel Neal
03-09-06, 04:34 AM
I think Europe needs to get off their butts and help. The US won't do it alone (and bear all the criticism again).
Sixpack
03-09-06, 04:44 AM
I think Europe needs to get off their butts and help. The US won't do it alone (and bear all the criticism again).
I am with ya :up:
The Avon Lady
03-09-06, 06:52 AM
I think Europe needs to get off their butts and help. The US won't do it alone (and bear all the criticism again).
Yes, this has to be a "world faces......" sort of thing.
But Europe will continue to cower.
Happy Times
03-09-06, 07:28 AM
And the dominos fall. Soon everybody is nuked in ME. http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-153218-16&type=News
But Europe will continue to cower.
Nice - I'm sure the families of the dead British troops in Iraq will appreciate that one.
Sixpack
03-09-06, 07:31 AM
I think Europe needs to get off their butts and help. The US won't do it alone (and bear all the criticism again).
Yes, this has to be a "world faces......" sort of thing.
But Europe will continue to cower.
That's ofcourse what I meant.
"I am with him ... in thought" :lol:
Gotta feel aweful to be American or Jew these last 3 decades.
This may sound sarcastic, but you know better than that. I want Europe, Australia, USA (and Turkey and India can play along as well) to put the squeeze on Iran and make the inevitable attack a feelgood 'brothers in arms' kind of event :arrgh!:
If China and Russia would protest: Screw 'em. We can do without them !
Sixpack
03-09-06, 07:33 AM
But Europe will continue to cower.
Nice - I'm sure the families of the dead British troops in Iraq will appreciate that one.
Darn, you're right. What a waste of good lives with that attitude.
Sixpack
03-09-06, 07:39 AM
And the dominos fall. Soon everybody is nuked in ME. http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-153218-16&type=News
Turkey calls nuclear power its "utmost priority"
In Short:
Turkey is reviving its plans to build new nuclear power plants. Meanwhile, Iran is considering shifting parts of its own controversial nuclear activities to Turkish soil.
Darm Europe is too close for comfort if you ask me.
Pre emptive ! Pre emptive !
Pre emptive ! Let me hear ya !
Pre emptive ! Pre emptive !
Pre emptive ! Let me hear ya !
http://zone.sousmarins.free.fr/HMS_vanguard_SSBN.jpg
;)
A war is not going to take place. That's what i believe. They may again try the Russian proposal. But if Iran is adamant, then sanction will be placed on them. With each passing day Iran will get weaker and weaker. And then they will strike. But the main concern is the bomb. If putting sanction is preventing them from going ahead in the nuclear field, then that is the best method. And even after the sanction they are developing nuclear weapons, strke can be called.
Sixpack
03-09-06, 08:03 AM
Pre emptive ! Pre emptive !
Pre emptive ! Let me hear ya !
http://zone.sousmarins.free.fr/HMS_vanguard_SSBN.jpg
;)
:up: That's what these billion $ machines were designed for, is it not ?
So why not use them ?! ;)
Sixpack
03-09-06, 08:07 AM
A war is not going to take place. That's what i believe. They may again try the Russian proposal. But if Iran is adamant, then sanction will be placed on them. With each passing day Iran will get weaker and weaker. And then they will strike. But the main concern is the bomb. If putting sanction is preventing them from going ahead in the nuclear field, then that is the best method. And even after the sanction they are developing nuclear weapons, strke can be called.
Iran has seen the UN's impotence all too clear with N-Korea and will forge ahead until stopped decisively. All else is an utter waste of good time, only profitable for politicians and news media.
Even an infant can see the Iranian president is a lunatic in the Saddam category.
The Avon Lady
03-09-06, 08:08 AM
But Europe will continue to cower.
Nice - I'm sure the families of the dead British troops in Iraq will appreciate that one.
Obviously it was not my intent to include those whose 24x7 lives are anything but cowering. And that goes for the living and the brave just the same.
Stop making such absurd assuumptions from a single sentence comment on a game forum, for heavens sake! :roll:
Yet, I do not equate Tony Blair's current diplomatic and political manouvers and those of the UK government as being describable as brave. But so far, the UK pretty much bests anything the continent has to offer.
The Avon Lady
03-09-06, 08:14 AM
Iran has seen the UN's impotence all too clear
Iran even blatantly admits it - behind closed doors (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010520.php), of course.
And to think they gave the IAEA's conniver a Nobel Prize. :nope:
Sixpack
03-09-06, 08:32 AM
From the article:
"From the outset, the Americans kept telling the Europeans, 'The Iranians are lying and deceiving you and they have not told you everything'. The Europeans used to respond, 'We trust them'," he said.
Totally shameful and of a high Chamberlain (*)degree (peace for our time), but what can you expect from a bunch of wimpy diplomats who are given the VIP treatment and are all pampered into mental submission ? Spineless fairies each and everyone of them.
PS Lady, rest assured: we know where you stand, never mind the teasing ;)
(*)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Neville_Chamberlain2.jpg
Quote: My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time.
Chamberlain is perhaps the most ill-regarded British Prime Minister of the 20th century, largely because of his policy of appeasement towards Nazi Germany regarding the abandonment of Czechoslovakia to Hitler at Munich in 1938.
WTH do they teach those diplomats in history classes ? To fornicate ?
The Avon Lady
03-09-06, 09:32 AM
Some things never change (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010533.php). :nope:
TLAM Strike
03-09-06, 11:28 AM
It is impossible for Israel to attack Iran. This can only be done by the U.S. I checked using the map and found that if Israel is using Military aircraft to attack Iran, then they have to fly over Gulf or aquaba, Red Sea, Enter Arabian sea and then go and attack Iran which is nearly impossibe. Even if they want to fly over Iraq first they have to fly over Saudi Arabia or Jordan, or Syria. Another way is to go through Turkey and attack Iran.
If we see any attack by Israel, then it will be by using Ballastic Missiles or Cruise missiles fired from ships or subs.
And if the U.S is doing it, they can do a Iraq on Iran. They can enter Iran from Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey and send carrier battle groups to the Arabian sea and the Persian Gulf. Uhhhh are you familiar with In-flight Refueling? The IAF once attacked terrorist targets in Tunisia believe it or not. My rough estimates say that could get them over the Black Sea, if they top off their tanks their they can fly over Georgia and Armenia (or Turkey but I assume the others have less of an air defense that could harass them) and hit their targets in northern Iran then egress back the same way and get another fill up and head for home. If each of the F-16s or F-4s are armed with the minimum of ordnance (no more than 1 or 2 bombs) it should be possible, F-15s can provide the air cover so the larger AAMs are unnecessary. Hell they could even fly one way and ditch over the ocean and be picked up by a ship or submarine. The word ‘impossible’ has no meaning to the IAF.
The Avon Lady
03-09-06, 01:06 PM
Come fly with me, let’s fly let’s fly away
If you can use, some exotic booze
There’s a bar in far bombay
Come fly with me, we’ll fly we’ll fly away
Come fly with me, let’s float down to peru
In lama land, there’s a one man band
And he’ll toot his flute for you
Come fly with me, we’ll float down in the blue
Once I get you up there, where the air is rarefied
We’ll just glide, starry eyed
Once I get you up there, I’ll be holding you so near
You may here, angels cheer - because were together
Weather wise it’s such a lovely day
You just say the words, and we’ll beat the birds
Down to acapulco bay
It’s perfect, for a flying honeymoon - they say
Come fly with me, we’ll fly we’ll fly away
Happy Times
03-09-06, 01:34 PM
Its still too elaborate. But i also think they would take the nothern route. The Saudis and other Gulf Arabs are waiting in their planes as we speak. Ofcourse Israelis could take them out but we know that will not happen. I would go through Syria. Its also on the worlds black list, so minimal protests. Iwould take down their air defence wich Israelis probably know like their own pockets. In this you might use SOF also. Going through Syria places you very close to Iran and you could launch something from this position allready. If not, you have a short flight through Turkish or Iraqi airspace, then you are in Northern Iran were the most important targets are. http://www.theodora.com/maps/new8/middle_east.jpg
JSLTIGER
03-09-06, 01:44 PM
Come fly with me, let’s fly let’s fly away
If you can use, some exotic booze
There’s a bar in far bombay
Come fly with me, we’ll fly we’ll fly away
Come fly with me, let’s float down to peru
In lama land, there’s a one man band
And he’ll toot his flute for you
Come fly with me, we’ll float down in the blue
Once I get you up there, where the air is rarefied
We’ll just glide, starry eyed
Once I get you up there, I’ll be holding you so near
You may here, angels cheer - because were together
Weather wise it’s such a lovely day
You just say the words, and we’ll beat the birds
Down to acapulco bay
It’s perfect, for a flying honeymoon - they say
Come fly with me, we’ll fly we’ll fly away
Good song...classic Sinatra! :up:
TLAM Strike
03-09-06, 01:52 PM
Its still too elaborate.What? My plan is about as elaborate as say hitting every enemy airbase in three countries with a preemptive strike all at once... Ooops they did that already... :hmm:
Type941
03-09-06, 03:51 PM
Don't panic Israel will not mess around. up:
Yeah, they'll just shock and awe everybody with democracy and bombs.
:roll:
KptnLt Eric Karle
03-09-06, 04:15 PM
Have you guys forgotten that Israel flew to Uganda to rescue the hostages at Entebbe in the '70's how many Arab/Enemy countries did they fly over then. If this is going to happen, they will just fly in there and take out the plants
The Avon Lady
03-09-06, 04:21 PM
If this is going to happen, they will just fly in there and take out the plants
What!!!!
You want us to eliminate the heroin poppies, too, at the same time?!?!?! :damn:
TLAM Strike
03-09-06, 04:25 PM
If this is going to happen, they will just fly in there and take out the plants
What!!!!
You want us to eliminate the heroin poppies, too, at the same time?!?!?! :damn: If you use a big enough bomb you can do both...
If this is going to happen, they will just fly in there and take out the plants
What!!!!
You want us to eliminate the heroin poppies, too, at the same time?!?!?! :damn: If you use a big enough bomb you can do both...
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U-552Erich-Topp
03-09-06, 06:27 PM
Nice song Avon Lady.........but we don't want to pay for another war. Our taxes keep going up and up and up, but our services don't.
I'll give you a hint how high taxes have become here now. There are quite a few people here now who cannot pay their entire tax bill anymore. This years increase so far has ranged between 14 and 20 percent. The taxes were already extremely high here before the last hike.
I don't think we can afford another war.
I sure hope we are not subsidising Israels' military or government, that would be madness. We have enough infrastructure problems here at home that require attention immediately.
Kapitan
03-09-06, 06:30 PM
Last year my council tax bill was £1,053 now im told i have to pay £1,436 hell i only live in a 3 bedroom bungalow.
Last year my council tax bill was £1,053 now im told i have to pay £1,436 hell i only live in a 3 bedroom bungalow.
I know the feeling. :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:
:damn: you Tony Blair :damn: you my council who wasted £150,000 pounds on an inquiry of road works that went over budget :damn: the lot of them :damn: :damn: :damn:
The Avon Lady
03-10-06, 12:44 AM
Nice song Avon Lady.........but we don't want to pay for another war. Our taxes keep going up and up and up, but our services don't.
I'll give you a hint how high taxes have become here now. There are quite a few people here now who cannot pay their entire tax bill anymore. This years increase so far has ranged between 14 and 20 percent. The taxes were already extremely high here before the last hike.
I don't think we can afford another war.
I sure hope we are not subsidising Israels' military or government, that would be madness. We have enough infrastructure problems here at home that require attention immediately.
We file US tax returns.
No one wants another war.
Would you rather have another 12/7 or 9/11 or likely much worse? How much will a mega terror strike and the resulting unpreparedness cost you?
And all you can worry about is "subsidising Israels' military"? You have no idea where so much more of your tax dollars are going to, do you now?! :nope:
Weird this movie came on Sci-Fi tonite while I read this thread....I ordered it online thru Netflix so I can watch it again at a later time unedited and all at once...what a scary flipping sight these are....Goodnight my friends.
http://www.emptyworld.info/images/film/film_the_day_after.jpg
Flying over Syria will alert Iran and will fail the mission. I think the best bet for Israel to take out the reactors is by using Ballastic or Cruise missiles. Iran will retaliate if it is an air raid or a missile attack by using missiles and the Isreali arrow's must be ready to counter it.
KptnLt Eric Karle
03-10-06, 03:41 AM
If this is going to happen, they will just fly in there and take out the plants
What!!!!
You want us to eliminate the heroin poppies, too, at the same time?!?!?! :damn:
No I meant the vegetables that are ruling some of these countries :D
The Avon Lady
03-10-06, 04:23 AM
Well, I have a great squash recipe. :P
The Avon Lady
03-10-06, 08:01 AM
Introducing the Nahang 1 (http://www.memritv.org/View.asp?P1=1065).
(Neal, the above is a direct link to this specific video. Update the link in SubSim's home page news item with this one).
Happy Times
03-10-06, 10:02 AM
Flying over Syria will alert Iran and will fail the mission. I think the best bet for Israel to take out the reactors is by using Ballastic or Cruise missiles. Iran will retaliate if it is an air raid or a missile attack by using missiles and the Isreali arrow's must be ready to counter it. I think so too but what are the cababilities of the Popeye Turbo cruise missile, no one knows but the Israelis. Max range ive found is 1500km for the sub launched version. Can they do the same from the air is a mystery. Thats why i was suggesting launching them from above Syria. That would enable hitting all targets of value, though you can hit some from just Israel. I would like to know if they have any subs on the Indian Ocean at the moment, that would be a good place to launch. EDIT And i think they are allready expecting a strike at anytime, so you have to plan from that they are at full alert.
U-552Erich-Topp
03-10-06, 06:10 PM
To Avon Lady
1) I don't file a U.S. tax return.
2) Refering to the taxes being so high that we pay are............our property taxes............not our income tax, although now that you mention it.............those taxes are high as well. In Canada we have a double tax on all goods and services. In Ontario you not only pay for the provincial sales tax but also the federal sales tax.
3) Right on, no one wants another war...........or the cost of paying for it. Good point made Avon Lady.
4) The quote " All you worry about is subsidising Israels military". I have an idea. Let's reverse the role here. Let Israel subsidise the U.S. and Canadian military for a while instead. That sounds fare.
Kapitan
03-10-06, 06:14 PM
I DONT WANT ANOTHER WAR MY TAX IS HIGH ENOUGH THANKYOU !
currently paying over £1,400 per year it was around £1,000 last year we go to war again whats it going to be next year ive estimated at least £1,800 to £2,000, i live in a 3 bedroom bungalow, down the bottom of my road there is people living in 5 bedroom houses i dred to think how much they pay.
In fact i dont even want to have a look at thier tax bills i will probably have a heart failure.
U-552Erich-Topp
03-10-06, 06:51 PM
Our tax bill here is now $4000 for an average 3 bedroom home. Other services such as water/sewage/building, etc. are charged over and above the property taxes.
We have 4 levels of government in this area. Township Government, Regional Government, Provincial Government and Federal Government. :88) :88) :88)
As for our income tax in this area. My wife pays more than 1/2 of her gross pay towards income tax just to give you an idea how high taxes really are. :damn: :damn: :damn:
On some of our bills we pay tax on the tax...........go figure!!!!!! :stare: :stare: :stare:
.............and on other bills we pay tax on the provincial debt incurred by the company providing the services.........crazy. :arrgh!: :arrgh!: :arrgh!:
..............and we want to pay for another war? :hmm: NUTS. :down: :down: :down:
This all sums up to the erosion (undermining) of the working middle class. :nope: However, it's the working middle class that supports the country.........the government has yet to figure that one out. The government will figure this out after they undermined the working middle class right out of the country............leaving the poor and the wealthy.............but that will be too late.
I DONT WANT ANOTHER WAR MY TAX IS HIGH ENOUGH THANKYOU !
HERE HERE
Israel Missiles:
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/missile/
Israel has a right to defend herself... so if they really feel the need to do something, then they are free to do so.
Personally, I think it would be a strategic error to attack Iran...
however, none of this really has anything to do with the UK, and we are overstreched in Iraq and AFghanistan as it is.
If there is a pre-emptive war against Iran, I hope the UK is not involved... will just mess up politics at home, be costly and disruptive, and reduce our standing in the world.
We face a terror threat, a threat that can only be defeated with wide-spread international consensus and co-operation. The Iraq war damanged that international co-operation, and an attack on Iran would only furhter damage that co-operation.
We need to be making partners and allies in the war on terror, not futher isolating ourselves...
Tchocky
03-11-06, 09:46 AM
****it, give EVERYONE nukes, it would clear up all this rubbish
Israel Missiles:
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/missile/
translation of Chinese magazine article, 1996 :hmm:
Happy Times
03-11-06, 04:21 PM
Israel Missiles:
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/missile/ Not all the targets are suitable for ballistic missiles.
Kapitan
03-11-06, 05:41 PM
Cruise missiles would do the job most adiquatly.
****it, give EVERYONE nukes, it would clear up all this rubbish
And kiss your ass good bye ;)
Takeda Shingen
03-11-06, 07:05 PM
****it, give EVERYONE nukes, it would clear up all this rubbish
No. That would make things much, much worse.
My 104 acres of Maine woods and two story cabin costs me $300 per year in property taxes.
Kapitan
03-11-06, 07:08 PM
Give everyone a missile 90% of them would probly land on america.
Give everyone a missile 90% of them would probly land on america.
And America's will land on all those 90%
Takeda Shingen
03-11-06, 07:15 PM
And America's will land on all those 90%
And yet, the US controls far more than 10% of the world's nuclear weapons. So, according to Kapitain's theory, a large number of America's weapons will be aimed at the homeland. Take that, Massachusetts.
Kapitan
03-11-06, 07:18 PM
hahahah lol i like that.
And yes its true in all 14 tridents i recon theres what enough weapons to destroy the entire world 4 or 5 times over.
WELCOME TO THE
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Takeda Shingen
03-11-06, 07:25 PM
From the Simpson's 2001 episode entitled 'Worst Episode Ever':
The childeren are viewing a defense video from the 1960's--
Springfield has been classified "NWB," for "Nuclear Whipping Boy." In the first moments of a nuclear war, Springfield will be bombed at will by all friendly nations to calibrate their missiles.
TLAM Strike
03-11-06, 08:20 PM
hahahah lol i like that.
And yes its true in all 14 tridents i recon theres what enough weapons to destroy the entire world 4 or 5 times over. I doubt it, Earth is a very large planet... :roll:
The Avon Lady
03-12-06, 03:17 AM
A small historical flashback:
The gullible are enticed over and over. The seeds of WWII germinated on the ostensibly sane and safe middle ground. Its allure facilitated the global cataclysm. Quintessentially moderate and pragmatic Neville Chamberlain was the middle ground's then-iconic high priest. In his gentlemanly manner, he was the consummate champion of cop-out. It wasn't a personal failing or idiosyncrasy. He wasn't pursuing a private agenda, which eventually collapsed catastrophically.
Chamberlain popularly reflected his nation's zeitgeist. Most Britons wanted to disengage. That's why middle Britons en masse supported the 1934 Peace Ballot.
It was promoted by Lord Robert Cecil, who won the 1937 Nobel Peace Prize for his folly. Some 500,000 canvassers went door-to-door to poll ordinary folk on whether they were for peace and against war - as manipulative as asking who's for healing and against pain (or for Olmert's moderation and against extremism).
With no terms or conditions stipulated, "peace" won by a whopping 10,500,000 votes to a mere 750,000. This was anything but harmless (as an Olmert/Kadima landslide on March 28 won't be). The Peace Ballot made London's deterrence ring hollow, because despite its inherent bias, it encouraged appeasement.
It made Europe's ensuing bloodbath inevitable, having assured Hitler that - much as the Brits abhorred him - they didn't want to fight.
The above is a relevant snippet from this JPost article: Olmert's middle schmiddle (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395571353&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter), which pretty much shows how many Israelis respond in a similar manner as many of you here.
Enjoy your low taxes.
To quote Scarlet O'Hara: "After all, tomorrow is another day!"
:nope:
Takeda Shingen
03-12-06, 08:23 AM
Avon Lady, I think it's time you changed your avatar:
http://www.nndb.com/people/236/000101930/philip-henry-sheridan-2-sized.jpg
The Avon Lady
03-12-06, 08:45 AM
Avon Lady, I think it's time you changed your avatar:
http://www.nndb.com/people/236/000101930/philip-henry-sheridan-2-sized.jpg
The only good avatar is a female avatar. :smug:
Skybird
03-12-06, 09:51 AM
Avon Lady, I think it's time you changed your avatar:
http://www.nndb.com/people/236/000101930/philip-henry-sheridan-2-sized.jpg
The only good avatar is a female avatar. :smug:
Nonsens, come up here, the view is spectacular.
The Avon Lady
03-12-06, 09:55 AM
Avon Lady, I think it's time you changed your avatar:
http://www.nndb.com/people/236/000101930/philip-henry-sheridan-2-sized.jpg
The only good avatar is a female avatar. :smug:
Nonsens, come up here, the view is spectacular.
Well, at least in England, females are birds. :P
Takeda Shingen
03-12-06, 10:19 AM
The only good avatar is a female avatar. :smug:
Nice. :up:
Wim Libaers
03-12-06, 11:24 AM
Weird this movie came on Sci-Fi tonite while I read this thread....I ordered it online thru Netflix so I can watch it again at a later time unedited and all at once...what a scary flipping sight these are....Goodnight my friends.
http://www.emptyworld.info/images/film/film_the_day_after.jpg
Interesting poster. Even though it is an attack on a city, so presumably in time of war, someone still took the time to install and launch the smoke rockets, which serve to make shockwave observation easier in tests. :roll:
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